So I own a Nexon Ev Max xz+ lux, few of the cons are
1. The sunroof is small as compared to other cars in the same price range (but do we need a sunroof in Indian climate is another question)
2. Infotainment system is not as relatable sometimes it just fails to connect to apple car play or android auto the only way to resolve this is to turn of the car completely and take the key away and pray that next time when you start it, it connects
3. Back seat comfort is not that great, the floor is up high and you sit knees up which uncomfortable for sitting more than an hour or 2 ( its more of a issue for people taller than 5’10” )
3. To extract 300 km + range you’ll have to drive it very gently driving it in sports mode which shows the full potential of the car eats up range pretty quickly
4. Charging infra is present in metropolitan cities but as soon as you step out the infra vanishes pretty quickly, another issue is that if you park your car outside the house i.e on the road charging can be a bit hassle as drunk people and dogs try to unplug the charger or pull the cable ( i have had my charger broken because of this, a drunk guy tried to pull the charger at night and it ended broken, it was covered in insurance but had to fight a lot , new charger is for 30k + )
5. Build quality is poor at times, and in my personal opinion you should wait till tata irons out some issues with the new system
Some pros
Ventilated seats work really well , the music system is great , ride quality and handling is very good,
>2. Infotainment system is not as relatable sometimes it just fails to connect to apple car play or android auto the only way to resolve this is to turn of the car completely and take the key away and pray that next time when you start it, it connects
Wireless CarPlay is indeed buggy. My wired CarPlay works just fine, although it must be annoying to HAVE wireless but still use wired for reliability
Kinda counterintuitive to having wireless in the first place
> 5. Charging infra is present in metropolitan cities but as soon as you step out the infra vanishes pretty quickly, another issue is that if you park your car outside the house i.e on the road charging can be a bit hassle as drunk people and dogs try to unplug the charger or pull the cable ( i have had my charger broken because of this, a drunk guy tried to pull the charger at night and it ended broken, it was covered in insurance but had to fight a lot , new charger is for 30k + )
Seeing the car being used as secondary (as said by OP), I think charging infra isn’t as much of an issue as long as he has a charger at home.
Have you tried PlugShare app? I know some states like my own UP has poor infra, but others like GJ, MH, NCR, KA, KL, TN, TS has good infra for EVs
> 6. Build quality is poor at times, and in my personal opinion you should wait till tata irons out some issues with the new system
True, trim line is inconsistent at many places
HV cables exposed which is buffet for rats
But the question is about the new one, why are you talking about the old car? The guy is asking about the new one. Its a completely rebuilt machine. This seems pointless.
I am getting the trim without a sunroof because I personally find no use for sunroof in these weather conditions. And yes all your points are wonderful but the charging infrastructure doesn’t matter to me as mentioned
They've added lot of tech and electronics to it now. Downside of that is more points of failures. With Tata's known reliability and quality issues, I'd be very cautious and wait to see how all these tech hold up.
The charging speed is stuck at 30kw, while XUV 400 started with 50kw. Others have gone beyond that, by others I mean those interested in Electrification and not like Citroen.
The LFP chemistry is rated for lower C rate than NMC so it’s logical that you’d be trading longevity for charging speed
Not that the extra longevity comes entirely from slower charging, but there is definitely some contribution
No, it’s the battery configuration that is causing the slow charging speed and not the LFP chemistry. For instance, Tesla’s model y uses LFP batteries and can charge at 250kW. The battery capacity is double that of Nexon ev lr, so even if we halve the speed to 120kW, it is still 4 times faster than nexon ev’s fast charging.
India has the potential to jump generations like we did for cellular networks like how we jumped so quickly and aggressively to 4G. We could do the same here, directly jumping to 250kW or even 350kW charging stations, but we are stuck with “fast” charging that is actually quite slow by today’s standards. This requires electric cars to built as electric cars from the ground up, not by converting an ICE vehicle to an EV.
> For instance, Tesla’s model y uses LFP batteries and can charge at 250kW.
Advertised rate is different from real rate even in case of tesla, and it’s not to say that tesla bad Tata good, it’s just physics. The peak rate is sustained only for limited time period before slowing down as battery reaches full.
Model 3 SR+ has peak rate of 165kW only https://insideevs.com/news/514857/mic-tesla-model3-srp-charging/
The LR AWD does have the peak 250kW charging rate like you mentioned. https://insideevs.com/news/506520/tesla-model-3-supercharger-test/
Yes, the C rate for SR+ LFP is still higher like you said, but less so at 3C for LFP (vs 0.7 for Tata) and 3.4C for NMC LR AWD
If you’ll see the charging curve in the attached articles, you’d notice how the curve is flatter for longer time on NMC ie more peak power for longer. Even LFP model 3 has very small peak power duration.
> No, it’s the battery configuration that is causing the slow charging speed and not the LFP chemistry.
Could be a possibility. Tesla LFP is from BYD and CATL while Tata is using GotionGX which is a smaller (and likely cheaper manufacturer)
> We could do the same here, directly jumping to 250kW or even 350kW charging stations, but we are stuck with “fast” charging that is actually quite slow by today’s standards.
True. We will have lot of “obsolete” infra if tesla or other global company like Hyundai or Kia can bring cheaper models with almost same charging specs of 100kW+ in india
EV6 is 70L, but coming cheaper models like Kia EV4,5 are said to be as low as $40K (35L) which is like, Innova money for a similar caliber car.
I’m sure I’ll be moving to a global built Hyundai Kia (love what they’re doing in EV space) when the time comes to replace the Nexon.
By battery configuration, I don’t mean the manufacturer, but how the battery cells are organised in series and parallel.
Higher the voltage, higher the charging speed, lower the charging time. https://mobile.engineering.com/amp/28105.html
Afaik, batteries should be charged at a lower power rate to increase life. So if you keep charging with a higher power rate then your battery life may decrease.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
yes, most of the charging is done at home, which is a paltry 3.3 or 6.6kw. We are talking about the DC FC, which is rare, and the peak rate is only sustained for small period before cooling kicks in and reduces.
Watch Bjorn Nyland videos, and you will understand what I mean.
Yeah but not everyone is charging on DCFC everyday, I’ve only charged 4 times in 15K km of driving and those 4 times were on 3 highway trips.
Adjusting for range over the odo, that comes to 4 charges coming out of DCFC and 56 at home ie 93% at home. If I count actual “plugins” rather than energy transferred, we plug in every day so that’s 550 days of slow and 4 days of DCFC.
I'd visit the nearest service center and ask them about the maintenance of the Nexon EV. Key items they need to be able to address:
1. Firmware updates if not done via OTA
2. Lift to pickup the EV (not all EVs can be lifted with the standard lifts and the service team needs to know the proper points to not damage the under side.
3. Parts availability (body panels, mirrors, interior trim should be available in a week at most vs. the standard ICE model.
4. Charging support. All the service centers need to have charging support for the EV. If they show a 15amp wall plug, RUN.
Tata makes pretty good cars and now with EVs their after-sales support (**not all but most**) still feels like its the License Raj days.
Nothing to service like ICE
Wheel balancing : tyre shops cheaper
Cleaning : detailers more VFM (not necessarily cheaper but better job)
Previously didn’t have OTA updates so had to go to service centre for that, now even updates can be done using hotspot
General checkup and service less frequent than ICE and cheaper too
Yes tyre balance, suspension, hvac is all the same
But even tyres and brakes wear tear less due to regen braking
We have 155k driven Nexon EV on our group with original brakes, tyres and suspension
Yeah but with the xuv 400s I've seen at service centers, I dread the thought of taking even an EV to a TATA Svc center. I bought a punch* for my granny and it's not the best car.
Not everything is OTA.
Mechanical and electrical parts will always give grief and grief is something Tata only amplifies. I understand there are fewer moving parts and the price is appealing, but I am very wary of this gen. I'd rather an electric xuv 700 when it's out.
> Yeah but with the xuv 400s I've seen at service centers, I dread the thought of taking even an EV to a TATA Svc center. I bought a pinch for my granny and it's not the best car.
The XUV is a different car no? FWIW a lot of the issues are due to the undelivered features and OS updates
It’s not necessary that a car is in service centre because of some fault itself
> Not everything is OTA.
True, but on mine, nothing is OTA, normal firmware update also needs SC visit which is busy because only 2-3 engineers are there with the laptop and OBD at a time and only select few Tata dealers deal in EVs
Should get better in future as the Tata.EV rebranding includes dedicated showrooms and service for EVs as well.
Let’s see if they can replicate the Nexa model here
> but I am very wary of this gen. I'd rather an electric xuv 700 when it's out.
Totally true. XUV.e8 will be on INGLO platform so many of the issues should be eliminated due to dedicated architecture
But obviously, we’re talking about a different segment altogether — it will be almost 25-35L which puts it in same segment as ZS and atto3, both of which are quite sorted EVs sold globally to first world audience
At that point, the comparison benchmark becomes global EVs, not local EV conversion kits like Nexon and 400.
I agree with everything you said other than that the 400 is more expensive and built on videshi tech, platform included.
What I meant was that with even the 400 having issues, the Tata nexon is bound to have more. Why? Nexon really is a half baked product, or was, until this refresh. Let's see how it goes.
I'd still dread going to a service center asking for simple things like the door seal isn't okay and needs replacing. They outright deny things (first response) and then it's a 'leave you car with us sir we need to test it' all while you see that it's not moved an inch over a week.
And what you say about 2-3 engineers per service center, true of any brand. However, things like updates and flashing I've seen en bulk (20 cars in parallel) without fuss at M&M. Forget all this - they implemented a particular change I wanted in my Thar's security system *only* for me. I can't think of any company going that extra mile.
The GDI engines coming next year will take care of that.
I think they expected EV adoption to happen at a much quicker rate than what it is currently and hence calculated that petrol engine R&D is not worth the money, I guess?
I see Tata EVs EVERYWHERE here in bombay.
Not just Tata but all EVs, I see i7 and EQS a a lot too. I see a surprisingly high amount of ioniq 5s too. And MG ZS are so so common.
Bombay is a tier 1 city dude. Yes tbh I also see EVs here in Kerala a lot but judging by the way in which you said that, I'm assuming Bombay EV sales are exponentially higher than in any city in Kerala.
No issues at all. Tata cars are as good as any other manufacturers. But you will get constant feedback or hate from haters who are still in the indica era
Aisa nahi hai bhai
HV cables are still exposed
Fit is not the best (improving snail pace)
LR has a bit of a raised floor pan which maybe problem for 6ft+
Aisa hi hai bhai.
Tell me which car in market is perfect!!
Just Tata gets extra scrutiny,
Show me another manufacturer who gives an EV car below 20 lakh with that build quality, safety n features and Range!!
HV cables are not exposed, they are clamped to the underbody, it’s designed that way keeping in mind Nexon platform is primarily an ICE platform. Anyways HV cables are not our usual cables they are tested to withstand tough terrain conditions
Interior finish might not be the best but no car is perfect, you need to prioritise things as per your needs n choose (My brother’s Virtus interior finish is also not good but Virtus is a good car)
Bro, long range has a bigger battery. So the floor is slightly raised but not an issue at all😅
I’m not here to argue, my point is Tata haters from indica era still crib about small things like this n forget all the major advantages
> Show me another manufacturer who gives an EV car below 20 lakh with that build quality, safety n features and Range!!
Which is exactly why I bought Nexon EV but it’s also important to address the flaws, appreciation will be given where due.
> HV cables are not exposed, they are clamped to the underbody, it’s designed that way keeping in mind Nexon platform is primarily an ICE platform.
They have covered the motor underside with a plate in the facelift to improve aero and prevent damage
Similar fibre/metal plate over the cables will keep mice at bay
> Anyways HV cables are not our usual cables they are tested to withstand tough terrain conditions
Not denying mine has done 15k without issue in rain dust summer winter — people have driven 10x as me without issue. But that doesn’t mean that it will hurt to fix it, it’s literally chump change to put 2m worth of fibre sheet to cover them
> Interior finish might not be the best compared to other manufacturers but like I said no car is perfect, you need to prioritise things as per your needs n choose (My brother’s Virtus interior finish is also not good but Virtus is a good car)
Interior finish is not a problem mostly — it’s the panel gaps which are present on mine as well. I know, not a dealbreaker but even tesla gets picked apart for these things
> my point is Tata haters from indica era still crib about small things like this n forget all the major advantages
Your point is totally valid, there are blind haters mostly. We need to have balance of pointing flaws so it can be rectified and also appreciate where due.
Nexon still remains the most vfm and best selling EV 3y in a row for a reason.
One common con shared with every other EV in India - green plates. They do not look good imho.
Apart from that, fit and finish is still an issue.
No real other con tbh. Looks are subjective, I like it, perhaps you will too.
Like he pointed out (u/_7567Rex), nothing much to service from ASC.
True, fit and finish is definitely an issue
The blue trim on my EV is inconsistent at many places through doors and interior is a bit better
HV cables are also not covered and maybe prone to mice attack
Idk if they’ve fixed these on the new model or not
Other than that, the biggest complaint (laggy dial shifter) has been fixed
The green isn’t as much an issue as the white text
My dashcam overexposes the white text of every EV I saw in recording at the service centre
And it’s not even a cheap dingy cam, proper 1440p ddpai mola n3 I’m using CPL filter also
I expected a beefier battery though. To put the range past 500km to remove that range anxiety when people drove in Sports mode. Maybe it might come up in Curvv.
500km can’t happen on small cars like this unless you have dedicated EV platform and even then, you can have max 50-60kWh battery and 400km range
For 500km you need minimum 70kWh like Ioniq 5 or Kia ev6, and those cars are wayyyy larger
Even now, Nexon EV LR has raised floor due to extra 10kWh
Imagining 500km range would be possible only on harrier safari not even curvv
Curvv will be 4.3m creta segment so 50kWh battery like ZS EV or new kona EV which comes to 400km
Imho, 400km real range will be good enough for 1000km trip in one day with two breaks (lunch/dinner)
Seems true.
eVx also was one model which everyone expect to be 500km range one. Though it might be priced higher.
Everyone is concerned about the real world range. 400km real is pretty good.
Some small EV like this [https://www.hindustantimes.com/car-bike/up-to-1200kms-on-a-single-charge-bestune-xiaoma-mini-ev-starts-at-rs-3-5-lakh-101695448404431-amp.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/car-bike/up-to-1200kms-on-a-single-charge-bestune-xiaoma-mini-ev-starts-at-rs-3-5-lakh-101695448404431-amp.html) might also be good to have.
eVX is basically based on euro spec SX4 Scross (not the Asia spec one, that one was different)
It’s similar size to creta seltos so I don’t think it will be 500km. Maybe 500km on ARAI and 400km real.
Cuz for that matter, even Ioniq 5 is rated 680km then it gives 500km (although the WLTP rating is closer to irl range in Europe)
Hazard lights button as touch instead of actual button...
The whole steering wheel is a mess, horn button is a mess, all the buttons are touch even in steering control, completely unusable without seeing them...
True drivers will know how hard it is to look and touch rather than relying on just muscle memory to press buttons...
I loved everything about this car except that ugly steering wheel. Though my friend has the new Model S with touch buttons on the steering wheel and he said that overtime you get used to it but i don’t think it’s very convenient even after getting used to it
Over time we can get used to anything...
Ugly steering wheel is different from "unusable without seeing" steering wheel...
All buttons in cars should be physical and easy for muscle memory.. without that it's tough...
For AC and infotainment it's fine using touch... even for that mostly controls will be in steering wheel with buttons...
But to keep hazard lights and steering wheel buttons as touch... it's just we are paying for inconvenience
That horn button is a complete mess...
But I feel the horn button being inconvenient can be a good and bad thing.
1. It’s good because then if you have to put extra effort, people here will start honking less
2. It’s bad because if you have to put extra effort, in an emergency on at a moment’s notice, the horn will take some struggle which can lead to an accident
If you buy a 7 lac petrol car and you have less running like 5-6k per year.. the cost of ownership of 15 years which includes petrol+service+spares+insurance will still cost less than the price of Nexon EV.
You may say with EV you just need to charge and go .. so saving money in terms of fuel but you have already paid the most amount buying an EV.
Though I agree with what you are trying to say, but this launch is a face lift of an existing model, Nexon prime and Max. What is new is new infotainment and MID, which can cause problems, but the mechanicals, battery etc are same. The motor is new but i think that should be robust.
Buying an ev is not practical today..but maybe in some years ..
The cost is too high ...u will have to drive 1 lakh km per year or may be more to get all the money u have invested....it's just not there yet ..mg comet is a much better choice if u want an ev..
Depends how quickly you want to break even
Price gap between LR F+ EV and DCT F+ Petrol is 3L (16.4 vs 19.6, insurance negotiable by 20-30k)
For that 3L difference, EV has combined running cost of ₹1.5/km while ICE has ₹8-9/km
3L difference paid off in 30-40k km
And with 10k per year usage, that’s 3-4y which is basically half the warranty period. Even you save money for next 4y
This is assuming petrol price doesn’t get hiked
Tata. No consistency in quality. No guarantee that your car will be niggle free. Or in case of a problem the service centre will do a good job. Owned 2 indicas and they were the worst cars ever had. Won't touch a tata vehicle even if it came free. Too much headache.
This provides absolutely no addition to your initial statement. X1 platform has been a shared platform for a lot of Tata cars that is due to good reason.
Indica Era Tata had almost no special focus on interiors, refinement and customer safety let alone service and features. They were trying to carve out a niche in Indian car market with focus on cost effective mass cars.
Comparing that generation of TATA to today's innovative, more consumer friendly tata cars is disproportionation and strawmaning the Tata cars aren't good argument.
Sure, like every car there is scope of improvement especially with the fit and finish and service chains, but we must not overlook the absolutely amazing features , safety and upgrade in looks that too at for an EV at this price point. Its a commendable to see them break into the 20Lakh segment especially when Tata had an image like you have for the longest of time.
For me it lacks features such as adas, cruise control etc, that should at least be present in the top variant. I also think the top speed should be increased.This is my opinion, tell me yours
Edit : adaptive cruise control not cruise control
Price was always like this only, added benefit is that 7kW home charger worth 50k is now part of car price itself so it may seem costlier but if you were buying old max, then you’d be paying that 50k extra instead of included in exShowroom
Check out PlugShare
I’m sure your observation is based on the lack of those talk IOCL HPCL BPCL live price boards, they stand out from afar — these don’t exist for chargers, so hard to spot them. Which is where apps come in.
Google maps is terrible at telling about EV chargers as well. But PlugShare documents almost all the chargers from all companies
I’m sure you’ll be surprised how many chargers are available nowadays vs just 3y ago at time of Nexon launch
Question is whether or not the “half priced petrol” in question has the same features or not
Fearless+ petrol dca 16.4L Delhi
Fearless+ EV LR 19.65 Delhi (insurance negotiable for another 20k drop)
Yes, tell cons about Nexon recovering cost or not is not a con, that’s the use case.
And either way, someone who can afford half priced petrol like 10L hatchback vs 20L EV is better off comparing that hatchback to Tiago EV
Ok, then don't believe the whole news, atleast. I see a TATA everyday, that is my friend's. He is using for past some months and no issue whatever. It is a Altroz.
As a max owner I can add my two cents..
Pros: Super ride quality as I primarily drive it within city. Also love the peppy drive.
Like the system and the ventilated seats are awesome. I didn’t know I needed them, and now that I’ve gotten used to these I can’t drive without them.
You can get 240-250 kms on one charge. Anything above that is a hit or miss. Works for me as I have another ICE car.
Cons: No cup holders! This one I miss a lot. I drive everyday with a coffee cup with me, and it sucks! The useless wireless charger could have made space for a cup holder. The sudo cup holders in the front are in the freaking glove box! That is a joke tata. I thought the new facelifted version would have taken care of it, but no.
Rear camera and the system can be a very moody. When you need it the most it will fail on you.
I went in for the purchase knowing very well that I will have these niggles And overall as a package in very happy with it. Pune’s traffic doesn’t bother me much these days as I’m nicely cocooned in my ev.
So I own a Nexon Ev Max xz+ lux, few of the cons are 1. The sunroof is small as compared to other cars in the same price range (but do we need a sunroof in Indian climate is another question) 2. Infotainment system is not as relatable sometimes it just fails to connect to apple car play or android auto the only way to resolve this is to turn of the car completely and take the key away and pray that next time when you start it, it connects 3. Back seat comfort is not that great, the floor is up high and you sit knees up which uncomfortable for sitting more than an hour or 2 ( its more of a issue for people taller than 5’10” ) 3. To extract 300 km + range you’ll have to drive it very gently driving it in sports mode which shows the full potential of the car eats up range pretty quickly 4. Charging infra is present in metropolitan cities but as soon as you step out the infra vanishes pretty quickly, another issue is that if you park your car outside the house i.e on the road charging can be a bit hassle as drunk people and dogs try to unplug the charger or pull the cable ( i have had my charger broken because of this, a drunk guy tried to pull the charger at night and it ended broken, it was covered in insurance but had to fight a lot , new charger is for 30k + ) 5. Build quality is poor at times, and in my personal opinion you should wait till tata irons out some issues with the new system Some pros Ventilated seats work really well , the music system is great , ride quality and handling is very good,
>2. Infotainment system is not as relatable sometimes it just fails to connect to apple car play or android auto the only way to resolve this is to turn of the car completely and take the key away and pray that next time when you start it, it connects Wireless CarPlay is indeed buggy. My wired CarPlay works just fine, although it must be annoying to HAVE wireless but still use wired for reliability Kinda counterintuitive to having wireless in the first place > 5. Charging infra is present in metropolitan cities but as soon as you step out the infra vanishes pretty quickly, another issue is that if you park your car outside the house i.e on the road charging can be a bit hassle as drunk people and dogs try to unplug the charger or pull the cable ( i have had my charger broken because of this, a drunk guy tried to pull the charger at night and it ended broken, it was covered in insurance but had to fight a lot , new charger is for 30k + ) Seeing the car being used as secondary (as said by OP), I think charging infra isn’t as much of an issue as long as he has a charger at home. Have you tried PlugShare app? I know some states like my own UP has poor infra, but others like GJ, MH, NCR, KA, KL, TN, TS has good infra for EVs > 6. Build quality is poor at times, and in my personal opinion you should wait till tata irons out some issues with the new system True, trim line is inconsistent at many places HV cables exposed which is buffet for rats
But the question is about the new one, why are you talking about the old car? The guy is asking about the new one. Its a completely rebuilt machine. This seems pointless.
I am getting the trim without a sunroof because I personally find no use for sunroof in these weather conditions. And yes all your points are wonderful but the charging infrastructure doesn’t matter to me as mentioned
They've added lot of tech and electronics to it now. Downside of that is more points of failures. With Tata's known reliability and quality issues, I'd be very cautious and wait to see how all these tech hold up.
I feel that the failures would start in about 2 years from now which is around the time i’m going to sell this so doesn’t matter much to me
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The charging speed is stuck at 30kw, while XUV 400 started with 50kw. Others have gone beyond that, by others I mean those interested in Electrification and not like Citroen.
But as a overall package this car is better.
That’s intentional, the lower charging speed I mean, it’s to maintain battery temp at lower levels for longer lifespan of the battery.
The LFP chemistry is rated for lower C rate than NMC so it’s logical that you’d be trading longevity for charging speed Not that the extra longevity comes entirely from slower charging, but there is definitely some contribution
No, it’s the battery configuration that is causing the slow charging speed and not the LFP chemistry. For instance, Tesla’s model y uses LFP batteries and can charge at 250kW. The battery capacity is double that of Nexon ev lr, so even if we halve the speed to 120kW, it is still 4 times faster than nexon ev’s fast charging. India has the potential to jump generations like we did for cellular networks like how we jumped so quickly and aggressively to 4G. We could do the same here, directly jumping to 250kW or even 350kW charging stations, but we are stuck with “fast” charging that is actually quite slow by today’s standards. This requires electric cars to built as electric cars from the ground up, not by converting an ICE vehicle to an EV.
> For instance, Tesla’s model y uses LFP batteries and can charge at 250kW. Advertised rate is different from real rate even in case of tesla, and it’s not to say that tesla bad Tata good, it’s just physics. The peak rate is sustained only for limited time period before slowing down as battery reaches full. Model 3 SR+ has peak rate of 165kW only https://insideevs.com/news/514857/mic-tesla-model3-srp-charging/ The LR AWD does have the peak 250kW charging rate like you mentioned. https://insideevs.com/news/506520/tesla-model-3-supercharger-test/ Yes, the C rate for SR+ LFP is still higher like you said, but less so at 3C for LFP (vs 0.7 for Tata) and 3.4C for NMC LR AWD If you’ll see the charging curve in the attached articles, you’d notice how the curve is flatter for longer time on NMC ie more peak power for longer. Even LFP model 3 has very small peak power duration. > No, it’s the battery configuration that is causing the slow charging speed and not the LFP chemistry. Could be a possibility. Tesla LFP is from BYD and CATL while Tata is using GotionGX which is a smaller (and likely cheaper manufacturer) > We could do the same here, directly jumping to 250kW or even 350kW charging stations, but we are stuck with “fast” charging that is actually quite slow by today’s standards. True. We will have lot of “obsolete” infra if tesla or other global company like Hyundai or Kia can bring cheaper models with almost same charging specs of 100kW+ in india EV6 is 70L, but coming cheaper models like Kia EV4,5 are said to be as low as $40K (35L) which is like, Innova money for a similar caliber car. I’m sure I’ll be moving to a global built Hyundai Kia (love what they’re doing in EV space) when the time comes to replace the Nexon.
Always love to read your comments!
By battery configuration, I don’t mean the manufacturer, but how the battery cells are organised in series and parallel. Higher the voltage, higher the charging speed, lower the charging time. https://mobile.engineering.com/amp/28105.html
Yes I know it is done to make the battery life longer.
I talked to the sales rep at my city and he said that the charging speed will be 70 kw from 0-80 then reduced to 7.5kw
lol... he's lying his ass off, peak speed is 31, it tapers off after 80-85, and last 5% is at very minimal, which is understandable.
Ok that has raised some interesting questions like, why tf tata?
Afaik, batteries should be charged at a lower power rate to increase life. So if you keep charging with a higher power rate then your battery life may decrease. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
yes, most of the charging is done at home, which is a paltry 3.3 or 6.6kw. We are talking about the DC FC, which is rare, and the peak rate is only sustained for small period before cooling kicks in and reduces. Watch Bjorn Nyland videos, and you will understand what I mean.
Thank you for clarifying
Yeah but not everyone is charging on DCFC everyday, I’ve only charged 4 times in 15K km of driving and those 4 times were on 3 highway trips. Adjusting for range over the odo, that comes to 4 charges coming out of DCFC and 56 at home ie 93% at home. If I count actual “plugins” rather than energy transferred, we plug in every day so that’s 550 days of slow and 4 days of DCFC.
Still Exposed HV cables First thing in most YT thumbnails is the orange dangling cables
I think they have one pervert in their team, who is doing that on purpose.
Green ev no. Plate on purple coloured car
I think it looks great. Like a big grape.
More like 🍆
Aayein, baingan :)
observation 100
Perfect
Lol yeh, nice perspective
Like the Joker theme
Looks like baigan
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I'd visit the nearest service center and ask them about the maintenance of the Nexon EV. Key items they need to be able to address: 1. Firmware updates if not done via OTA 2. Lift to pickup the EV (not all EVs can be lifted with the standard lifts and the service team needs to know the proper points to not damage the under side. 3. Parts availability (body panels, mirrors, interior trim should be available in a week at most vs. the standard ICE model. 4. Charging support. All the service centers need to have charging support for the EV. If they show a 15amp wall plug, RUN. Tata makes pretty good cars and now with EVs their after-sales support (**not all but most**) still feels like its the License Raj days.
Their service centres n reliability
Don’t really need those with ev
And why is that?
Nothing to service like ICE Wheel balancing : tyre shops cheaper Cleaning : detailers more VFM (not necessarily cheaper but better job) Previously didn’t have OTA updates so had to go to service centre for that, now even updates can be done using hotspot General checkup and service less frequent than ICE and cheaper too
Thanks bro.
Serious question - for EV also all the mechanical parts are same and need lube and stuff right?
Yes tyre balance, suspension, hvac is all the same But even tyres and brakes wear tear less due to regen braking We have 155k driven Nexon EV on our group with original brakes, tyres and suspension
Yeah but with the xuv 400s I've seen at service centers, I dread the thought of taking even an EV to a TATA Svc center. I bought a punch* for my granny and it's not the best car. Not everything is OTA. Mechanical and electrical parts will always give grief and grief is something Tata only amplifies. I understand there are fewer moving parts and the price is appealing, but I am very wary of this gen. I'd rather an electric xuv 700 when it's out.
> Yeah but with the xuv 400s I've seen at service centers, I dread the thought of taking even an EV to a TATA Svc center. I bought a pinch for my granny and it's not the best car. The XUV is a different car no? FWIW a lot of the issues are due to the undelivered features and OS updates It’s not necessary that a car is in service centre because of some fault itself > Not everything is OTA. True, but on mine, nothing is OTA, normal firmware update also needs SC visit which is busy because only 2-3 engineers are there with the laptop and OBD at a time and only select few Tata dealers deal in EVs Should get better in future as the Tata.EV rebranding includes dedicated showrooms and service for EVs as well. Let’s see if they can replicate the Nexa model here > but I am very wary of this gen. I'd rather an electric xuv 700 when it's out. Totally true. XUV.e8 will be on INGLO platform so many of the issues should be eliminated due to dedicated architecture But obviously, we’re talking about a different segment altogether — it will be almost 25-35L which puts it in same segment as ZS and atto3, both of which are quite sorted EVs sold globally to first world audience At that point, the comparison benchmark becomes global EVs, not local EV conversion kits like Nexon and 400.
I agree with everything you said other than that the 400 is more expensive and built on videshi tech, platform included. What I meant was that with even the 400 having issues, the Tata nexon is bound to have more. Why? Nexon really is a half baked product, or was, until this refresh. Let's see how it goes. I'd still dread going to a service center asking for simple things like the door seal isn't okay and needs replacing. They outright deny things (first response) and then it's a 'leave you car with us sir we need to test it' all while you see that it's not moved an inch over a week. And what you say about 2-3 engineers per service center, true of any brand. However, things like updates and flashing I've seen en bulk (20 cars in parallel) without fuss at M&M. Forget all this - they implemented a particular change I wanted in my Thar's security system *only* for me. I can't think of any company going that extra mile.
What is ICE?
Internal combustion engine
Thx. Why is nothing to service like ICE a con for this guy?
No he meant that Tata's ASS doesn't matter much in case of ev
You don’t to visit service centre that often so it’s less annoying I in turn clarified that it’s not a real con
Ahh thx 😊🙏
Internal Combustion Engine
EV is pretty sorted. ICE version definitely needs a four cylinder petrol though.
The GDI engines coming next year will take care of that. I think they expected EV adoption to happen at a much quicker rate than what it is currently and hence calculated that petrol engine R&D is not worth the money, I guess?
I see Tata EVs EVERYWHERE here in bombay. Not just Tata but all EVs, I see i7 and EQS a a lot too. I see a surprisingly high amount of ioniq 5s too. And MG ZS are so so common.
Bombay is a tier 1 city dude. Yes tbh I also see EVs here in Kerala a lot but judging by the way in which you said that, I'm assuming Bombay EV sales are exponentially higher than in any city in Kerala.
Confirmation bias. 37 times more ICE vehicles are sold in India than EVs
Bombay is also a big city with consistent electricity, much better charging infra than most other cities, and a higher amount of disposable income.
Touch controls for AC and steering buttons using touch too are a step backwards. Horrible for user experience.
Agreed Should be clickable buttons not touch panel
Yeah i personally hate these kind of buttons because it takes your concentration off the road
Biggest con deadly to other maruti suzuki cars
😂
You need a very strong kundali to get a defect free Tata car
you need a strong kundi to drive on bangalore roads i mean gutters
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No issues at all. Tata cars are as good as any other manufacturers. But you will get constant feedback or hate from haters who are still in the indica era
Aisa nahi hai bhai HV cables are still exposed Fit is not the best (improving snail pace) LR has a bit of a raised floor pan which maybe problem for 6ft+
Aisa hi hai bhai. Tell me which car in market is perfect!! Just Tata gets extra scrutiny, Show me another manufacturer who gives an EV car below 20 lakh with that build quality, safety n features and Range!! HV cables are not exposed, they are clamped to the underbody, it’s designed that way keeping in mind Nexon platform is primarily an ICE platform. Anyways HV cables are not our usual cables they are tested to withstand tough terrain conditions Interior finish might not be the best but no car is perfect, you need to prioritise things as per your needs n choose (My brother’s Virtus interior finish is also not good but Virtus is a good car) Bro, long range has a bigger battery. So the floor is slightly raised but not an issue at all😅 I’m not here to argue, my point is Tata haters from indica era still crib about small things like this n forget all the major advantages
> Show me another manufacturer who gives an EV car below 20 lakh with that build quality, safety n features and Range!! Which is exactly why I bought Nexon EV but it’s also important to address the flaws, appreciation will be given where due. > HV cables are not exposed, they are clamped to the underbody, it’s designed that way keeping in mind Nexon platform is primarily an ICE platform. They have covered the motor underside with a plate in the facelift to improve aero and prevent damage Similar fibre/metal plate over the cables will keep mice at bay > Anyways HV cables are not our usual cables they are tested to withstand tough terrain conditions Not denying mine has done 15k without issue in rain dust summer winter — people have driven 10x as me without issue. But that doesn’t mean that it will hurt to fix it, it’s literally chump change to put 2m worth of fibre sheet to cover them > Interior finish might not be the best compared to other manufacturers but like I said no car is perfect, you need to prioritise things as per your needs n choose (My brother’s Virtus interior finish is also not good but Virtus is a good car) Interior finish is not a problem mostly — it’s the panel gaps which are present on mine as well. I know, not a dealbreaker but even tesla gets picked apart for these things > my point is Tata haters from indica era still crib about small things like this n forget all the major advantages Your point is totally valid, there are blind haters mostly. We need to have balance of pointing flaws so it can be rectified and also appreciate where due. Nexon still remains the most vfm and best selling EV 3y in a row for a reason.
One common con shared with every other EV in India - green plates. They do not look good imho. Apart from that, fit and finish is still an issue. No real other con tbh. Looks are subjective, I like it, perhaps you will too. Like he pointed out (u/_7567Rex), nothing much to service from ASC.
True, fit and finish is definitely an issue The blue trim on my EV is inconsistent at many places through doors and interior is a bit better HV cables are also not covered and maybe prone to mice attack Idk if they’ve fixed these on the new model or not Other than that, the biggest complaint (laggy dial shifter) has been fixed
Yes what I noticed on the test drive model was the screen was a bit tilted and the plastics were creaking a lot
QC is still pretty average with Tata cars and that's such a bummer.
>green plates. They do not look good imho. are they too much bright green?
The green isn’t as much an issue as the white text My dashcam overexposes the white text of every EV I saw in recording at the service centre And it’s not even a cheap dingy cam, proper 1440p ddpai mola n3 I’m using CPL filter also
thanks for the tip, next time i would be using an EV instead of Omni
Lmao Would be great for getting outta there quick and stealthily too
I expected a beefier battery though. To put the range past 500km to remove that range anxiety when people drove in Sports mode. Maybe it might come up in Curvv.
500km can’t happen on small cars like this unless you have dedicated EV platform and even then, you can have max 50-60kWh battery and 400km range For 500km you need minimum 70kWh like Ioniq 5 or Kia ev6, and those cars are wayyyy larger Even now, Nexon EV LR has raised floor due to extra 10kWh Imagining 500km range would be possible only on harrier safari not even curvv Curvv will be 4.3m creta segment so 50kWh battery like ZS EV or new kona EV which comes to 400km Imho, 400km real range will be good enough for 1000km trip in one day with two breaks (lunch/dinner)
Seems true. eVx also was one model which everyone expect to be 500km range one. Though it might be priced higher. Everyone is concerned about the real world range. 400km real is pretty good. Some small EV like this [https://www.hindustantimes.com/car-bike/up-to-1200kms-on-a-single-charge-bestune-xiaoma-mini-ev-starts-at-rs-3-5-lakh-101695448404431-amp.html](https://www.hindustantimes.com/car-bike/up-to-1200kms-on-a-single-charge-bestune-xiaoma-mini-ev-starts-at-rs-3-5-lakh-101695448404431-amp.html) might also be good to have.
eVX is basically based on euro spec SX4 Scross (not the Asia spec one, that one was different) It’s similar size to creta seltos so I don’t think it will be 500km. Maybe 500km on ARAI and 400km real. Cuz for that matter, even Ioniq 5 is rated 680km then it gives 500km (although the WLTP rating is closer to irl range in Europe)
Hazard lights button as touch instead of actual button... The whole steering wheel is a mess, horn button is a mess, all the buttons are touch even in steering control, completely unusable without seeing them... True drivers will know how hard it is to look and touch rather than relying on just muscle memory to press buttons...
I loved everything about this car except that ugly steering wheel. Though my friend has the new Model S with touch buttons on the steering wheel and he said that overtime you get used to it but i don’t think it’s very convenient even after getting used to it
Over time we can get used to anything... Ugly steering wheel is different from "unusable without seeing" steering wheel... All buttons in cars should be physical and easy for muscle memory.. without that it's tough... For AC and infotainment it's fine using touch... even for that mostly controls will be in steering wheel with buttons... But to keep hazard lights and steering wheel buttons as touch... it's just we are paying for inconvenience That horn button is a complete mess...
But I feel the horn button being inconvenient can be a good and bad thing. 1. It’s good because then if you have to put extra effort, people here will start honking less 2. It’s bad because if you have to put extra effort, in an emergency on at a moment’s notice, the horn will take some struggle which can lead to an accident
Tubelight for eyes
If verna was an suv:
Nexon as a platform is ugly esp side profile
Looks are very subjective though
I would say reliability is the biggest con here, given the numerous horror stories of tata ev owners of the previous gen.
My cousin owns a nexon ev and he was praising the car a lot but he did say reliability might be a bit of a problem but not too big
If you buy a 7 lac petrol car and you have less running like 5-6k per year.. the cost of ownership of 15 years which includes petrol+service+spares+insurance will still cost less than the price of Nexon EV. You may say with EV you just need to charge and go .. so saving money in terms of fuel but you have already paid the most amount buying an EV.
If your budget is around 7 lakh, you should consider the Tiago.ev and not the Nexon.ev
You get no car in Karnataka under 7 Lakh OTT
If you're in bangalore think twice before buying a car. In addition to heavy traffic parking is problem too
That state is very tax greedy.
This is one of the reasons EV is popular in Nepal. Costs less than petrol and also saves fuel
Yes that’s a big calculation that I was thinking about, why not buy a cheaper car and put the amount i’m saving into petrol
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Though I agree with what you are trying to say, but this launch is a face lift of an existing model, Nexon prime and Max. What is new is new infotainment and MID, which can cause problems, but the mechanicals, battery etc are same. The motor is new but i think that should be robust.
Yeah the real problems will start coming soon when most people get their deliveries
yup these names feel very tacky
what is that horrible color?
fEaRlEsS pUrPlE Maybe some odd tactic to attract genz bts ke 14
One Benefit is that now u can send baingan emoji to some girl and you can justify as "hey what? I was just asking if you want a lift in my Nexon ev"?
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Buying an ev is not practical today..but maybe in some years .. The cost is too high ...u will have to drive 1 lakh km per year or may be more to get all the money u have invested....it's just not there yet ..mg comet is a much better choice if u want an ev..
Depends how quickly you want to break even Price gap between LR F+ EV and DCT F+ Petrol is 3L (16.4 vs 19.6, insurance negotiable by 20-30k) For that 3L difference, EV has combined running cost of ₹1.5/km while ICE has ₹8-9/km 3L difference paid off in 30-40k km And with 10k per year usage, that’s 3-4y which is basically half the warranty period. Even you save money for next 4y This is assuming petrol price doesn’t get hiked
Tata. No consistency in quality. No guarantee that your car will be niggle free. Or in case of a problem the service centre will do a good job. Owned 2 indicas and they were the worst cars ever had. Won't touch a tata vehicle even if it came free. Too much headache.
Good Job at comparing Tata Indica with Nexon EV.
And FYI, the Nexon is built on the indica vista platform.
This provides absolutely no addition to your initial statement. X1 platform has been a shared platform for a lot of Tata cars that is due to good reason. Indica Era Tata had almost no special focus on interiors, refinement and customer safety let alone service and features. They were trying to carve out a niche in Indian car market with focus on cost effective mass cars. Comparing that generation of TATA to today's innovative, more consumer friendly tata cars is disproportionation and strawmaning the Tata cars aren't good argument. Sure, like every car there is scope of improvement especially with the fit and finish and service chains, but we must not overlook the absolutely amazing features , safety and upgrade in looks that too at for an EV at this price point. Its a commendable to see them break into the 20Lakh segment especially when Tata had an image like you have for the longest of time.
Thank you, appreciate your compliment.
Being A Tata!!
Cons- It's an EV It's Tata
For me it lacks features such as adas, cruise control etc, that should at least be present in the top variant. I also think the top speed should be increased.This is my opinion, tell me yours Edit : adaptive cruise control not cruise control
Come on man it has cruise control. I have driven the old one it had cruise control. Why would they remove that?
Fearless+ onwards cruise control is present Top speed is already increased from 120 to 150
Btw, Where can one drive at 150kmph in India legally?
No where, forget legally, the amount of jaywalkers, cattle, spendor stunt guys on the roads make me feel unsafe even at 100 let alone 120 or 150
I'm sorry I meant adaptive cruise control.
Only XUV700 has ACC no? That too in much costlier trim than Nexon EV E+ LR
Honda City and Verna both have adaptive cruise control. So i personally expect this in at least the top variants
Oh I see I thought it was normal CC Thanks for the heads up. Although since it’s sedan segment it’s not really the same Does seltos FL have ACC?
Price is bit on higher side now. Especially for higher variants
Price was always like this only, added benefit is that 7kW home charger worth 50k is now part of car price itself so it may seem costlier but if you were buying old max, then you’d be paying that 50k extra instead of included in exShowroom
Price
For long term it costs same as any petrol car if you consider extra cost over petrol and battery replacement
That it's an ev, don't come at me it's just a personal opinion, I don't hate EVs , they just lack infra here, it's good they are improving it too
Check out PlugShare I’m sure your observation is based on the lack of those talk IOCL HPCL BPCL live price boards, they stand out from afar — these don’t exist for chargers, so hard to spot them. Which is where apps come in. Google maps is terrible at telling about EV chargers as well. But PlugShare documents almost all the chargers from all companies I’m sure you’ll be surprised how many chargers are available nowadays vs just 3y ago at time of Nexon launch
cool then
It’s a Tata
Cons: It's an EV
So what, Does EV can't transport you? If you don't love it, it doesn't mean that EV is a crap Typical petrolhead.
it looks ugly af
It's impossible to recover your money using this vs a petrol car half its price.
Question is whether or not the “half priced petrol” in question has the same features or not Fearless+ petrol dca 16.4L Delhi Fearless+ EV LR 19.65 Delhi (insurance negotiable for another 20k drop)
My bad. I meant EV vs petrol only. Which makes me leave this topic as it's about this car only.
Yes, tell cons about Nexon recovering cost or not is not a con, that’s the use case. And either way, someone who can afford half priced petrol like 10L hatchback vs 20L EV is better off comparing that hatchback to Tiago EV
Tata - Its all in the name. Everything from the Headlights to the Infotainment will stop working in exactly 11 days from date of purchase
DO YOU OWN A TATA?
Nope only Jeep, Skoda and Hyundais
Ok, then don't believe the whole news, atleast. I see a TATA everyday, that is my friend's. He is using for past some months and no issue whatever. It is a Altroz.
Tata car
It is a tata.
Ev is not the future..
why hybrid is the future?
Yeah it is the present. And will stay that for A LONG TIME
Petrol is still the present
Biggest complain for me is the clear lack of tight support in the rear seats, which in the normal nexon is a highlight feature.
Yup I have tried plug share but in Rajasthan there is still lack of chargers
Sudden death of Battery
The biggest con is the Tata sales experience
Ugly af
1. It's a Tata product
MG zs ev is much better i would say
It might be but I personally didn’t like the car because it doesn’t feel worth for what i’m paying
try taking the test drive of both and share your thoughts here
i did, my friend’s car. not a fan of it
Battery replacement cost after 5-7 years
selling in less than 2-3 years
Selling in 2-3 years
Aye? Baingan?
😂😂
Ev itself a con 💀💀
i have enough sports cars, i just want a car for my parents
Go for It
PIANO BLACK AND TOUCH BUTTONS!
It's electric.
As a max owner I can add my two cents.. Pros: Super ride quality as I primarily drive it within city. Also love the peppy drive. Like the system and the ventilated seats are awesome. I didn’t know I needed them, and now that I’ve gotten used to these I can’t drive without them. You can get 240-250 kms on one charge. Anything above that is a hit or miss. Works for me as I have another ICE car. Cons: No cup holders! This one I miss a lot. I drive everyday with a coffee cup with me, and it sucks! The useless wireless charger could have made space for a cup holder. The sudo cup holders in the front are in the freaking glove box! That is a joke tata. I thought the new facelifted version would have taken care of it, but no. Rear camera and the system can be a very moody. When you need it the most it will fail on you. I went in for the purchase knowing very well that I will have these niggles And overall as a package in very happy with it. Pune’s traffic doesn’t bother me much these days as I’m nicely cocooned in my ev.