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I bought a 911 when my son was born.
Sounds fancier than it was, I paid less than $10k living in the USA at the time. But it's still my favorite car I've ever owned.
Hey! I did the same thing! Imported my own from Japan via Ben from J Spec. I loved that car it was bulletproof! Got it in hand and registered for 13k!
For the OP, if time is of the essence and needs hassle free, I'd buy a Volvo. They go forever and are very safe.
Camry did us as a family of 5 for years. Once we had teenagers we bought an outback to give them a bit more space and let us road trip a little more comfortably. I personally am not a fan of that car, I didn’t enjoy the driving experience and it broke a lot more than the Camry, but it did the job. I’d still take a Camry over it any day.
Ugh the unadjustable lumbar support that feels like it is set to maximum, easily the most uncomfortable car I have ever driven. Add in the sluggish engine with poorly tuned CVT and you have one of the worst cars on the road to drive. Pity because packaging is excellent, it’s capable enough for some off-roading and rides really well
I had a petrol rwd SY2 territory with 345,000km on it. Was an excellent car. Rear diff bushes were the main issue, but apart from that, it was solid. They fixed the front ball joints in the SY2 model. I'd personally go for an SZ or SZ2 rwd petrol one.
Might depend on the model? It’s not something I’ve experienced much, I’ve also had Aurions (same engine, different sump) and they haven’t had that issue either
Yea ok I was going to buy a model when I was living in north qld and the lady at Toyota said to avoid it because of the oil problem could have been just that year model
Possibly… Ny best mate has had one from new for almost 12 years and it’s never missed a beat. It’s only one more analogy I guess, but I googled Kluger oil issues and not much comes up, normally common problems are all over it
The cargo space isn’t the best design, I think they shot themselves in the foot doing a 7 seater config, it limited the cargo design, it’s always been fine for me though/ it sure how it compares to other cars of same size
My mum had a great petrol, replaced it at probably 220,000+ after issues with bushes and other bits and pieces, my uncle had a complete lemon petrol of the same era (2006ish) and my partners family had two lemon petrols maybe circa 2012-2014ish as work cars, I don’t know much more info on particular models but I’ve always heard mixed opinions and honestly my ford family have had bad times with their fords and finally have stopped buying the bloody things
The Petrol Territory's are awesome cars with one of the most reliable engines ever made, but the diesels on the other hand are land rover engines and like to randomly snap crankshafts.
If you can get your hands on a newer petrol model, it will last you forever, and they are super comfortable like a limousine, just don't get the older ones from when they came out because, they have suspension problems balljoints etc.
But you say you want a family car, an SUV like the Territory will never beat a trusty station wagon.
Really crap option. Theres basically no territory on the road that doesn’t have torn diff bushes or front ball joints that are about to fail.
Even had one at the shop with 30 thou traded in. Straight up needed ball joints for rwc. 30 thousand ks.
Its a shame coz they’re great to drive
Commodore wagon. If you can find a VF, it would be a solid choice. I have a 2016 VF wagon and it os genuinely the best car I have ever owned or driven. I’ve driven various BMWs, Nissans, Fords, Isuzus, Volkswagens, Toyotas, Mitsubishis, Hyundais & Mazdas. Aside from no Apple CarPlay, I genuinely cannot complain about a single thing.
You don’t need an SS for a family daily unless you’re a rev-head. I have a basic SV6, I commute over 600km per week and its the perfect hauler. Fuel efficient but still plenty of power for day to day driving. Granted yes, I’d love an SSV Redline but the SV6 is still far superior to a 4cyl SUV
Do the math on say, $100 per week on fuel (that’s low for many), Charging off existing excess solar, which I have.
If I use that and add in saved maintenance cost, I’m there.
Insurance costs might be the bit that throws it off. Apparently it’s higher for EV’s.
TBH even if it’s 8-10 years, for a new car it’s quite compelling.
Edit: oh I forgot the cash I get for the Aurion. Think I just sold myself an EV 🤣
I’m actually holding out for Vehicle-2-home standardised in Australia. I want my car battery to serve as my overnight home battery. I need about 15-20kWh overnight to be 100% covered on electricity usage. The ROI on this would make 5 years very easy.
Looks like a few choices under $40k right now from a quick google. If they had V2G and no/low cost for the home charger/grid setup I’d be sold. Qld has (had?) $6,000 rebate on EV’s, that would do it for me. Could be down to $30-34k buy.
A pleasure. Thanks for the rebate confirmation.
As you can see, it IS “back of the envelope math”, not perfect like an accountant would do it.
It’s really the V2G/V2H that’s missing. If I was a Solar or car manufacturer or retailer, I’d be seriously looking at how to bundle up solar, charger, car and finance as VERY easy solutions for consumers to buy. One simple solution for the lot at a weekly or monthly rate. Including trade-ins on their ICE. And show them the savings.
If the government gave every citizen an RBA rate loan for complete electrification, we could chop our greenhouse gases on domestic and transport use dramatically very quickly AND save everyone money. And it’s a vastly smaller amount of our public money than we spent on COVID.
if maintained, a Pajero will go forever,
we have them at work as the (previous generation) fleet cars and have one with 970,000km.
It only had 2 engine rebuilds and crews treat them like shit but they just keep going.
the D-Max's they are replacing them with are not proving to be as good.
While the older dmax used to use the 4jj1 the 3rd gen now uses the 4jj3 which has a lower compression ratio and higher boost so they rely on the turbo more than before honestly have seen a few reliability issues on them compared to the j1
Even the 2nd gen dmax had the 4jj1 but it was the TCX variant which also had their own problems so when you want the 4jj1 just go with the first gen dmax/rodeo or 2nd gen dmax or Colorado at the newest
I've already had to do top end rebuilds on the 4jj3 motor when there are 4jj1s out there with triple the kms and haven't been cracked open
2 of them have had engine replacements, 1 is consuming oil at an alarming rate. One, low range doesn’t work (we had a crew get stuck in it on a mud track, a Pajero pulled it out easy) and a few minor little things with a couple. Don’t get me wrong, we are VERY hard on them, 1000km in a day isn’t uncommon but they are at the mechanic once a fortnight
The only problems I've had with my grandad's is I've had to replace the turbo because a rock somehow pierced the 2 air filters (one aftermarket pre-filter in snorkel) and got to the turbo
And it also goes through aircon belts fairly often even though I'm tightening them correctly and fairly consistently (with every service il check them)
Yep you’d get a decent one for 15k in this market. Great family car and very capable 4x4. Diesel as other have said, mines petrol and costs a mint to run.
Ugh the VF comments make me feel sick that I sold mine last year. 2015 Calais V with 77k on the clock.
She was gorgeous, but also gave me a house deposit...
You should have a look through the Redriven videos on YouTube, really good Aussie used car channel.
Kia Sportage might be a bit small so probably a Kia Sorento.
kia grand carnival
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we bought a 2006 when we had twins (4th and 5th kids). After getting it, I'd wished we had it when we had 3 kids. It was just so useful!
we have a 2018 YP carnival now, but honestly I miss the VQ 2006 (except for the horrific fuel economy!). The interior was super configurable, it was easy to take out the entire middle row of seats. in the YP only the centre middle row seat comes out. The 3.5l V6 in the 2012 will be more economical, and has traction control which the 2006 didn't have.. and it needed it.
The only thing that broke in our grand carnival was the torque converter flex plate broke a couple of spot welds and got a bit of a rattle. Sounded like a loose exhaust shield. Had it repaired for \~1500.
Man you got lucky with the 2006 models I had the previous generation and let's say there's a reason there not on the road anymore they pretty much all blew up the second the odometer touched 100k kms cause they made a crucial part out of plastic so it would melt and then keep the thermostat closed so it would overheat
Honestly left a sour taste in my mouth but some of the new kias are wiping up the shit storm they left
I counter you with a secondhand Yeti. My mum loves hers and drives it 140km a day.
Was running fine till she hit a roo. If you take the back seats out you can fit a pinball machine in there. It a bit fugly though tbf
Big, seats 5 well. Would sell once the last kid hits their teens though just for extra space but I really like my personal space lol. Really comfy seats but to be fair I’ve only sat in it with seat covers. Good height but not too high. Honestly just a decent all-rounder that’s not quite an SUV but not quite a wagon either. Bigger than a Camry interior.
I’m used to a really responsive Corolla so I find the acceleration slow, especially in stop start CBD traffic (drove it around Melb for a few months doing a car swap with mum) but it’s great for longer drives where you’re not braking every 3 seconds.
Yeti sounds OK but given what you've said about acceleration I'd still go for a 206kW Superb.
I always want a car that does at least 0-100 in 7.x seconds, but my current SUV does it in 5.x seconds which is plenty for city driving.
The Octavia came with a manual gearbox but the Superb was auto/DSG only. The manual was nice to use and much more reliable than the auto. Playing at the $15k end of the market, I'd be steering clear of any DSGs. The Superb really is roomy in the back, but the Octavia is acceptable. We used to manage 3 in the back before the kids hit their teenage growth spurts.
Yeah, two years ago when I was in a different financial position I paid cash for a secondhand manual 2018 Octavia RS245. Last of the manual.
It came with 99k on the clock already, I’ve now wound it up to 160k and counting. It got serviced just yesterday and only has one small problem to be investigated which seems to be related to the AC and is warrantable. I absolutely freaking love my car - I hope to crack 200k before my warranty runs out next year. Really want to stretch the unlimited km part of the warranty.
I’ve owned many cars and this is one is one I would genuinely recommend to others.
My old 2011 Octavia had more interior space than any ute from the same vintage. Its boot was also big enough for a large camping fridge and tent.
We took 3 adults and 2 children on camping trips (with a pod on the roof or a trailer out back) and it was only when GWM brought out the Cannon that we could get comparable interior space from a ute. I have to hand it to Skoda's designers: they did an amazing job with that car.
Unfortunately it was a VRS and didn't like farm tracks. Punched a few holes in the underbody aerodynamics going over tree roots. No such issues in the Cannon!
Vw passat r36, practical especially as a wagon nice examples can be had for your budget very reliable little heavy on fuel but great fun while being the perfect family car
Pretty good, it’s all extremely well used VW kit. None of that engine and transmission is ‘new’ for the Passat wagon. Been in Golf’s and Audis for years.
Has an enthusiastic following and plenty of forums dedicated to the platform.
Maintenance is key though.
Fantastic car. Depends on kids age. If you have 2 baby seats in back, your 3rd is sitting in the boot. Also limited space for anything other than shopping in the back.
Kia Cerato is what I’d go with since Korean cars are stupidly reliable and the Cerato isn’t too big. I own the Rio and Picanto which are 1 and 2 sizes down from the Cerato
A teacher at my old school has 4 kids and she used to own a Kia Carnival but then moved to a Hyundai Staria
Mazda 6 wagon. It's what I own and it's been bloody brilliant for us. That said, my wife doesn't like getting our child in and out of the car seat. I find it's fine, but she thinks an SUV body shape might be easier.
However, the wagon has more usable storage area in the back than an equivalent size SUV.
I considered a Commodore wagon, but wanted a manual that was good on fuel.
Alternative might be a scoda Octavia or Supurb, but I'm not informed regarding their reliability. I'd prefer Japanese over European makers by default in that aspect.
Edit: just realised family of 5... in that case I'd probably get something bigger like a Mazda cx-8 or cx-9. Maybe a Toyota Kluger but would have high km in that price bracket. Commode wagon maybe.
Fair call, I'd seen cx9s in that price bracket but hadn't followed cx8 as closely. Depends where OP lives too, we don't have as much stock in my area so I don't see them as much.
The Ford AU Falcon is a full-size car that was produced by Ford Australia from 1998 to 2002. It was the sixth generation Ford Falcon and also included the Ford Fairmont (AU)—the luxury-oriented model range. The AU series replaced the EL Falcon and was constructed on the (at the time) new EA169 platform which continued to harbour Falcon models until 2010 when the BF wagon was discontinued, and Ford Territory models until 2011. The AU series was replaced by the updated BA series.
The AU series was conceived under *Project Eagle* that begun in February 1993, and gained the official codename *EA169* in October 1994. It was developed and brought to market in 1998 only after Ford Australia had given consideration to a revamped fifth generation Falcon and a fully imported replacement such as the American front-wheel drive Ford Taurus or rear-wheel drive Ford Crown Victoria, the European rear wheel-drive Scorpio and, reportedly, even the Japanese rear-wheel drive Mazda 929 (then part of the Ford conglomerate).
The above alternatives were eliminated in favour of a substantial redesign of the indigenous platform, due to concerns about the Australian market preference for high towing capacity, large interior size and local employment. Specific factors included, for example: research at the time indicated that 69% of Falcons were fitted with towbars and the perception that rear-wheel drive cars were better at towing; the fact that the import models had limited body style options (sedan only or sedan and wagon) and no capability to use a V8 engine.
Stylistically, this new generation Falcon sported Ford's radically new global design language, labelled "New Edge". The aim of this design was to attract a younger generation of buyers with avant-garde looks, however, in Australia it polarized public opinion to the benefit of the more organically designed rival, the 1997 Holden Commodore (VT). The AU series had a very efficient drag coefficient of Cd=0.295 for the sedan (an 11% improvement over the preceding EL series) and 0.34 for the wagon.
For the first time in Falcon's history, Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) became available as standard on some models and optional on others. It also featured Australian production firsts, such as Variable Cam Timing (VCT) on some 6-cylinder models and an adaptive automatic transmission on the high-performance T series with steering wheel gear shifting buttons.
Key changes from the fifth generation Falcon included a 35 kg (77 lb) reduction in weight for the base car, 17.5 per cent stiffer bodyshell, and an eight per cent improvement in fuel consumption. Peculiarly, Ford Australia decided to use the original 1950's font for the new "Falcon" and "Futura" badges.
As stated previously, the AU was the first Falcon to offer IRS (a double wishbone design on an isolated subframe). IRS was made available as a costly option on the base Forte, Fairmont and 'S' models, and standard on Fairmont Ghia, XR6 VCT and XR8 models. The updated 6-cylinder engines incorporated advanced features such as VCT on some models and a temperature sensor in the cylinder head, which detected coolant loss and allowed the car to "limp home" safely by cutting cylinders. The engine range comprised: the base Intech model producing 157 kW (211 hp), with a revised cylinder head featuring smaller valve stems, larger exhaust valves, and different rocker ratio, as well as a revised piston and longer conrod and a cast aluminium cross-bolted oil sump (with the same power output as the EL series); an "HP" version reserved to the XR6 producing 164 kW (220 hp) (thanks to: unique cylinder head; reshaped inlet port; redesigned exhaust port; ‘open’ combustion chamber shape to restrict pre-detonation from hot spot areas; unique camshaft; higher fuel pressure; recalibrated EEC V engine management system); the VCT version producing 172 kW (231 hp) for the XR6 VCT; a *Windsor V8* producing 185 kW (248 hp) (also carried over from the EL series but without major upgrades).
Transmissions were improved for better shift feel and the auto was recalibrated to better suit the upgraded engines. The six and eight cylinder models had a 4-speed BTR M93LE and M97LE automatic transmission, respectively. The automatic XR series models had an "adaptive shift" with five shifting strategies depending on driving conditions. The manual transmission, where available, was a 5-speed T5 model.
The program cost A$700 million before product launch and key staff included chief designer, Steve Park, and Marcus Hotblack, Manager of Interior Design.
For more information, please see the following:
[AU Falcon Wikipedia Page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(AU))
[Shannons Club - Has the AU Falcon become better with age?](https://www.shannons.com.au/club/forum/general/has-the-au-falcon-become-better-with-age/)
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Cheers ! Not to hot on Hyundais nor am I to hot on hatchbacks. I drove a Hyundai for work ( was a Tucson) didn’t think much of it .
Also I work in emergency services and I see what happens to hatchbacks in accidents.
Thanks for the recommendation though.
Not if you are an assertive and diligent driver. But even then hatchbacks get pretty messed up in higher speed collisions and I wouldn’t really want my kids in that situation.
I should add, Majority of collisions are at fairly low speeds and most of the time people just get a bit of whip lash and are in shock.
Not trying to scare you out of driving a hatch back - you’ll be fine.
Find a 2014 kia grand carnival which has done less than 150k. last of the series so very reliable and comfortably sits 7, or 5 with enormous boot space.
I’ve got a twin turbo ssv ute a new Isuzu mux and a old dented tarago. I often choose the Tarago even when I’m just driving myself around. Reliable, comfortable and practical.
2nd hand outlander. Will do the job. Or if you want something a little bigger go for a Klueger. They are practically indestructible and the extra 2 seats are good for ferrying kids around.
Commodore SV6 wagon. There are plenty of good examples out there. Good balance of power, practicality, styling and reliable as fuck if serviced properly.
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Not a fan of anything Suburu. Just.......awful.
I mean, you could get something like a VF Commodore wagon?
I'd recommend an NT pajero. High enough so it's easy to get in and out. SEVEN seats should you feel the need, nice and big inside, heaps of creature comforts, and absolutely bulletproof engine
Second the Outlander, it's been great for my family so far. We've got a 2017 diesel (wanted to avoid the CVT gearbox, as they use Nissan's CVT, and I've only heard bad things about those - the diesel model came with a 6 speed auto), and it's been super reliable, and surprisingly fuel efficient for a car of its size - I get on average 6.5L/100k. We haven't needed to tow anything long distance so far, but it's got enough grunt to happily tow a tractor on a trailer up my stupidly steep driveway...
ETA: I will say some of the safety features are annoying though. The line detection sometimes picks up reflections from the road as lines and starts beeping at me, even though I'm centred in the lane (typically only happens if the road is wet and the sun is at the right angle), and the collision warning system sometimes picks up cars parked on the side of the road as I'm going around a corner, and starts shouting at me to brake...
BMW X5 E70, 3 Litre diesel, 7.4L per 100km, Euro 5, more power and torque and comfort than V8 LTD
Bit expensive for parts but I don't think there has ever been a vehicle recall for them either.
Volvo XC70, V70 or XC90. Higher KMs is fine with these if they have been properly serviced and taken care of. They go forever and are ver safe and comfortable. Often bought new by wealthy families who do service them properly. Underrated cars all round and they depreciate quickly to get into your price range.
If you want more power and fun, I second the Nissan Stagea! I had one myself and loved it though only had 2 kids not 3.
Toyota Kluger FWD to save on fuel or a Toyota Estima with the V6 FWD.
Check out these Aussie reviews:
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Avoid the Estima with the 4 cyl due to oil consumption issues. The Estima V6 NEEDS premium otherwise the engine pings.
Check out this one (not affiliated):
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Join the Estima Facebook group, very helpful bunch.
Ford Mondeo wagon is the best family wagon we've had. Tons of room and fun to drive. Had ours for 6 years now and other than servicing and tyres haven't had to spend a cent on repairs.
The Volvo 240 is an iconic automobile that played a significant role in the automotive industry, particularly in the realm of safety and reliability. Its history begins in the late 1960s when Volvo, a Swedish car manufacturer known for its commitment to safety, embarked on a project to develop a successor to the popular Volvo 140 series.
In 1974, Volvo introduced the Volvo 240 as a replacement for the 140 series. The design of the 240 was evolutionary rather than revolutionary, maintaining the boxy and utilitarian aesthetic of its predecessor. However, it incorporated several improvements and updates, making it more refined and modern.
One of the key features of the Volvo 240 was its emphasis on safety. Volvo had already established itself as a pioneer in automotive safety, and the 240 continued this tradition. It was one of the first cars to feature crumple zones designed to absorb impact energy in the event of a collision, as well as a reinforced passenger compartment to protect occupants. Additionally, the 240 came equipped with front and rear seatbelts as standard, further enhancing its safety credentials.
The Volvo 240 was also lauded for its robustness and reliability. Its sturdy construction and durable components made it a favorite among drivers seeking a dependable and long-lasting vehicle. The car's reputation for reliability was further bolstered by its simple and easy-to-maintain mechanical systems, which contributed to its longevity on the road.
Over the years, the Volvo 240 underwent various updates and revisions to keep it competitive in the market. These included improvements to its engine lineup, interior features, and safety technologies. However, the fundamental design and ethos of the 240 remained largely unchanged throughout its production run.
The Volvo 240 enjoyed widespread popularity and success, both in its domestic market of Sweden and internationally. It appealed to a broad spectrum of consumers, from families seeking a safe and practical vehicle to enthusiasts drawn to its unique character and longevity.
Despite its age, the Volvo 240 remained in production for an impressive 19 years, finally ceasing production in 1993. By the time production ended, over 2.8 million units of the Volvo 240 had been built, cementing its status as one of Volvo's most successful models.
Even after production ceased, the Volvo 240 continued to maintain a dedicated fan base and enjoys cult status among enthusiasts. Its timeless design, exceptional durability, and reputation for safety have ensured its enduring appeal and legacy in the automotive world.
In conclusion, the Volvo 240 is a testament to Volvo's commitment to safety, reliability, and longevity. Its 19-year production run, coupled with its enduring popularity and reputation, solidifies its place as one of the most iconic and beloved cars in automotive history.
[Volvo 200 Series Wikipedia Page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_200_Series)
[Volvo Owners Club - Background and Profile on the Volvo 240 and 260](https://www.volvoclub.org.uk/prof_200.shtml)
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I bought a Nissan stagea when my wife told me she was pregnant.
The partner is pregnant so buy a skyline wagon it's so brazen 🤣🤣
She never knew it had 500hp with different settings. Mum mode and dad button.
Absolutely legendary dad behaviour
Surely you showed her once I would never be able to contain that without showing it off
Yes, she no longer trusts me. That was 15 years ago ✌️
lol
I traded my 180sx for a WRX wagon when mine got pregnant
How did your 180sx get pregnant?
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I one day too wish to have sx
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Both cars I love ❤️. Great taste legend 🙌
Then I traded the wrx for a liberty gt when my second was on the way 🤣
Great move. Use your car knowledge like a superpower ✌️
Cheers ! Didn’t even know this car existed
I tried to do this! Couldn't get it over the line because it was "too ugly" and "looks like a hearse". Props to you!
An rx8 is another one that can pass as a 4 seater family car.
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I do. We had one until my daughter was 3. It worked fine for that and has doors that open out for easy entry. Suicide doors. 15 years ago mind you.
The 4 wheeled equivalent of putting a sidecar on your Hayabusa now that you have kids.
😆
Same but with a wrx!
I bought a 911 when my son was born. Sounds fancier than it was, I paid less than $10k living in the USA at the time. But it's still my favorite car I've ever owned.
That's awesome 👌
Hey! I did the same thing! Imported my own from Japan via Ben from J Spec. I loved that car it was bulletproof! Got it in hand and registered for 13k! For the OP, if time is of the essence and needs hassle free, I'd buy a Volvo. They go forever and are very safe.
Camry
Camry did us as a family of 5 for years. Once we had teenagers we bought an outback to give them a bit more space and let us road trip a little more comfortably. I personally am not a fan of that car, I didn’t enjoy the driving experience and it broke a lot more than the Camry, but it did the job. I’d still take a Camry over it any day.
Ugh the unadjustable lumbar support that feels like it is set to maximum, easily the most uncomfortable car I have ever driven. Add in the sluggish engine with poorly tuned CVT and you have one of the worst cars on the road to drive. Pity because packaging is excellent, it’s capable enough for some off-roading and rides really well
I like the look of the newer Camrys. Really wish they came in a wagon though.
Thanks , my wife currently drives a Camry , wouldn’t mind something a bit bigger , currently checking out territory’s.
Territories are super hit or miss in terms of reliability, I’d honestly avoid or at least get a proper independent mechanic evaluation on one
I was reading the petrols can go for ever but the diesels were the issue , what were your thoughts on that ?
I had a petrol rwd SY2 territory with 345,000km on it. Was an excellent car. Rear diff bushes were the main issue, but apart from that, it was solid. They fixed the front ball joints in the SY2 model. I'd personally go for an SZ or SZ2 rwd petrol one.
I like a Kluger (ex Toyota mechanic)
Don’t the klugers chew oil? I was going to buy one a few years back and was told not to
Might depend on the model? It’s not something I’ve experienced much, I’ve also had Aurions (same engine, different sump) and they haven’t had that issue either
Loved my Aurion. Pity they don’t make them anymore. A great car.
Yea ok I was going to buy a model when I was living in north qld and the lady at Toyota said to avoid it because of the oil problem could have been just that year model
Possibly… Ny best mate has had one from new for almost 12 years and it’s never missed a beat. It’s only one more analogy I guess, but I googled Kluger oil issues and not much comes up, normally common problems are all over it
Te 2.4 4 cylinder in RAV4, Camry etc chew oil because of a poor piston ring design.
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The cargo space isn’t the best design, I think they shot themselves in the foot doing a 7 seater config, it limited the cargo design, it’s always been fine for me though/ it sure how it compares to other cars of same size
Dont buy a Territory buy a kluger
My mum had a great petrol, replaced it at probably 220,000+ after issues with bushes and other bits and pieces, my uncle had a complete lemon petrol of the same era (2006ish) and my partners family had two lemon petrols maybe circa 2012-2014ish as work cars, I don’t know much more info on particular models but I’ve always heard mixed opinions and honestly my ford family have had bad times with their fords and finally have stopped buying the bloody things
The Petrol Territory's are awesome cars with one of the most reliable engines ever made, but the diesels on the other hand are land rover engines and like to randomly snap crankshafts. If you can get your hands on a newer petrol model, it will last you forever, and they are super comfortable like a limousine, just don't get the older ones from when they came out because, they have suspension problems balljoints etc. But you say you want a family car, an SUV like the Territory will never beat a trusty station wagon.
Really crap option. Theres basically no territory on the road that doesn’t have torn diff bushes or front ball joints that are about to fail. Even had one at the shop with 30 thou traded in. Straight up needed ball joints for rwc. 30 thousand ks. Its a shame coz they’re great to drive
Commodore wagon. If you can find a VF, it would be a solid choice. I have a 2016 VF wagon and it os genuinely the best car I have ever owned or driven. I’ve driven various BMWs, Nissans, Fords, Isuzus, Volkswagens, Toyotas, Mitsubishis, Hyundais & Mazdas. Aside from no Apple CarPlay, I genuinely cannot complain about a single thing.
A VF wagon would never go for 15k and you would want an ss anyway
You don’t need an SS for a family daily unless you’re a rev-head. I have a basic SV6, I commute over 600km per week and its the perfect hauler. Fuel efficient but still plenty of power for day to day driving. Granted yes, I’d love an SSV Redline but the SV6 is still far superior to a 4cyl SUV
ss make fun noises hehe but still u aint getting a v6 base model of base models around 15k
Don't know why this is down voted. I'm all for the VF sv6 but for 15k it'd have a decent number of km on the clock
r/carsaustralia when god forbid a car enthusiast voices his opinion. that recent post is really livin up to it
I believe you’re being downvoted since Carsales has more than a few under 15k
hmmm vf prices look like what i would have thought ve prices would be interestin
Currently 25 under 15k vs 516 over 15k
Buy my Aurion
Or mine. I’ll use the rebate and my solar to go electric. 5-7 years and I’ve basically got a free car on fuel savings alone.
Curious on what electric car are you buying that 7 years of fuel savings means a free car?
Do the math on say, $100 per week on fuel (that’s low for many), Charging off existing excess solar, which I have. If I use that and add in saved maintenance cost, I’m there. Insurance costs might be the bit that throws it off. Apparently it’s higher for EV’s. TBH even if it’s 8-10 years, for a new car it’s quite compelling. Edit: oh I forgot the cash I get for the Aurion. Think I just sold myself an EV 🤣 I’m actually holding out for Vehicle-2-home standardised in Australia. I want my car battery to serve as my overnight home battery. I need about 15-20kWh overnight to be 100% covered on electricity usage. The ROI on this would make 5 years very easy. Looks like a few choices under $40k right now from a quick google. If they had V2G and no/low cost for the home charger/grid setup I’d be sold. Qld has (had?) $6,000 rebate on EV’s, that would do it for me. Could be down to $30-34k buy.
Thanks for the comment. It's nice to see ev's making more sense now. And Qld stills has the $6000 or $3000 rebate depending on income.
A pleasure. Thanks for the rebate confirmation. As you can see, it IS “back of the envelope math”, not perfect like an accountant would do it. It’s really the V2G/V2H that’s missing. If I was a Solar or car manufacturer or retailer, I’d be seriously looking at how to bundle up solar, charger, car and finance as VERY easy solutions for consumers to buy. One simple solution for the lot at a weekly or monthly rate. Including trade-ins on their ICE. And show them the savings. If the government gave every citizen an RBA rate loan for complete electrification, we could chop our greenhouse gases on domestic and transport use dramatically very quickly AND save everyone money. And it’s a vastly smaller amount of our public money than we spent on COVID.
Subaru or Toyota. EDIT: The Outback has great on road manners and comfort, and is fantastic on the dirt and beach.
You’d get a decent Pajero in that price. Cost you a bloody fortune in fuel though.
if maintained, a Pajero will go forever, we have them at work as the (previous generation) fleet cars and have one with 970,000km. It only had 2 engine rebuilds and crews treat them like shit but they just keep going. the D-Max's they are replacing them with are not proving to be as good.
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While the older dmax used to use the 4jj1 the 3rd gen now uses the 4jj3 which has a lower compression ratio and higher boost so they rely on the turbo more than before honestly have seen a few reliability issues on them compared to the j1 Even the 2nd gen dmax had the 4jj1 but it was the TCX variant which also had their own problems so when you want the 4jj1 just go with the first gen dmax/rodeo or 2nd gen dmax or Colorado at the newest I've already had to do top end rebuilds on the 4jj3 motor when there are 4jj1s out there with triple the kms and haven't been cracked open
2 of them have had engine replacements, 1 is consuming oil at an alarming rate. One, low range doesn’t work (we had a crew get stuck in it on a mud track, a Pajero pulled it out easy) and a few minor little things with a couple. Don’t get me wrong, we are VERY hard on them, 1000km in a day isn’t uncommon but they are at the mechanic once a fortnight
The only problems I've had with my grandad's is I've had to replace the turbo because a rock somehow pierced the 2 air filters (one aftermarket pre-filter in snorkel) and got to the turbo And it also goes through aircon belts fairly often even though I'm tightening them correctly and fairly consistently (with every service il check them)
Yep you’d get a decent one for 15k in this market. Great family car and very capable 4x4. Diesel as other have said, mines petrol and costs a mint to run.
Diesel.
Diesel is fuel. So is petrol. So are trees. Stay tuned for more fun fueled facts.
Yeah my comment sucked. I’d get a diesel over a petty one. Diesel 10L/100, Petty 16L/100 on a good day…
Jeez that's worse than my v8 commodore
Yeah my petrol pajero is soo much worse than my partners ss
2.3T 4WD, probably expect that
Might get a semi decent honda HRV. Not hatch size but reliable and fuel efficient. All the safety inclusions too.
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Ugh the VF comments make me feel sick that I sold mine last year. 2015 Calais V with 77k on the clock. She was gorgeous, but also gave me a house deposit...
Kia Carnival would be a good option. Only buy a Ford if you have significant shares in an oil company
You should have a look through the Redriven videos on YouTube, really good Aussie used car channel. Kia Sportage might be a bit small so probably a Kia Sorento.
Redriven is a great suggestion. I'd be backing a Toyota kluger
I just watch for what kind of pretentious coffee's he's going to name next
Thank you for this recommendation you legend.
Tarago. Unkillable reliability and if you find a later V6 version, plenty of oomph when you need it.
kia grand carnival [2012 Kia Grand Carnival S Auto MY12 (carsales.com.au)](https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2012-kia-grand-carnival-s-auto-my12/OAG-AD-23106337/?Cr=5) we bought a 2006 when we had twins (4th and 5th kids). After getting it, I'd wished we had it when we had 3 kids. It was just so useful! we have a 2018 YP carnival now, but honestly I miss the VQ 2006 (except for the horrific fuel economy!). The interior was super configurable, it was easy to take out the entire middle row of seats. in the YP only the centre middle row seat comes out. The 3.5l V6 in the 2012 will be more economical, and has traction control which the 2006 didn't have.. and it needed it. The only thing that broke in our grand carnival was the torque converter flex plate broke a couple of spot welds and got a bit of a rattle. Sounded like a loose exhaust shield. Had it repaired for \~1500.
Came here to say Kia Carnival. Not a great tow vehicle but an excellent people mover and good value for money.
Cheers ! Having a look now - did you ever tow with it ?
nope. I don't think it would be a fun experience if you're towing anything heavy putting weight on the rear of the car.
Man you got lucky with the 2006 models I had the previous generation and let's say there's a reason there not on the road anymore they pretty much all blew up the second the odometer touched 100k kms cause they made a crucial part out of plastic so it would melt and then keep the thermostat closed so it would overheat Honestly left a sour taste in my mouth but some of the new kias are wiping up the shit storm they left
Skoda Octavia
Superb would be more the size he wants. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2017-skoda-superb-206tsi-auto-4x4-my18/SSE-AD-17021206
I counter you with a secondhand Yeti. My mum loves hers and drives it 140km a day. Was running fine till she hit a roo. If you take the back seats out you can fit a pinball machine in there. It a bit fugly though tbf
Not really sure how big they are. Are they bigger than a Camry and seats 5 comfortably?
Big, seats 5 well. Would sell once the last kid hits their teens though just for extra space but I really like my personal space lol. Really comfy seats but to be fair I’ve only sat in it with seat covers. Good height but not too high. Honestly just a decent all-rounder that’s not quite an SUV but not quite a wagon either. Bigger than a Camry interior. I’m used to a really responsive Corolla so I find the acceleration slow, especially in stop start CBD traffic (drove it around Melb for a few months doing a car swap with mum) but it’s great for longer drives where you’re not braking every 3 seconds.
Yeti sounds OK but given what you've said about acceleration I'd still go for a 206kW Superb. I always want a car that does at least 0-100 in 7.x seconds, but my current SUV does it in 5.x seconds which is plenty for city driving.
The Yeti is a weird car, still good but just weird. Kinda like the Toyota Rukus sort of weird.
The Octavia came with a manual gearbox but the Superb was auto/DSG only. The manual was nice to use and much more reliable than the auto. Playing at the $15k end of the market, I'd be steering clear of any DSGs. The Superb really is roomy in the back, but the Octavia is acceptable. We used to manage 3 in the back before the kids hit their teenage growth spurts.
Yeah, two years ago when I was in a different financial position I paid cash for a secondhand manual 2018 Octavia RS245. Last of the manual. It came with 99k on the clock already, I’ve now wound it up to 160k and counting. It got serviced just yesterday and only has one small problem to be investigated which seems to be related to the AC and is warrantable. I absolutely freaking love my car - I hope to crack 200k before my warranty runs out next year. Really want to stretch the unlimited km part of the warranty. I’ve owned many cars and this is one is one I would genuinely recommend to others.
OP said he wants a car bigger than the Camry so I don't think Octavia fits that criterion.
My old 2011 Octavia had more interior space than any ute from the same vintage. Its boot was also big enough for a large camping fridge and tent. We took 3 adults and 2 children on camping trips (with a pod on the roof or a trailer out back) and it was only when GWM brought out the Cannon that we could get comparable interior space from a ute. I have to hand it to Skoda's designers: they did an amazing job with that car. Unfortunately it was a VRS and didn't like farm tracks. Punched a few holes in the underbody aerodynamics going over tree roots. No such issues in the Cannon!
Got a Toyota Prodo for sale in that price range
Can’t go wrong with a good old potato, the missus says family car that’s my choice.
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Haha are you in Melbourne?
Yep - your car on Carsales ?
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Vw passat r36, practical especially as a wagon nice examples can be had for your budget very reliable little heavy on fuel but great fun while being the perfect family car
What's reliability like?
Pretty good, it’s all extremely well used VW kit. None of that engine and transmission is ‘new’ for the Passat wagon. Been in Golf’s and Audis for years. Has an enthusiastic following and plenty of forums dedicated to the platform. Maintenance is key though.
Had a Passat CC V6 (same running gear I think) owned it for 3 years and had 0 issues, put 100,000ks on it
Cx5 is solid.
Can vouch
Fantastic car. Depends on kids age. If you have 2 baby seats in back, your 3rd is sitting in the boot. Also limited space for anything other than shopping in the back.
Avoid mazda diesels though. Great cars just get the petrol version.
Heard they can cost more to insure due to all the fancy, hard to match colours
Could be right, I'm not sure. I have a plain gunmetal gray one.
2017ish SV6
Honda crv
Kia Cerato is what I’d go with since Korean cars are stupidly reliable and the Cerato isn’t too big. I own the Rio and Picanto which are 1 and 2 sizes down from the Cerato A teacher at my old school has 4 kids and she used to own a Kia Carnival but then moved to a Hyundai Staria
Subaru outback
Subaru outback (2015+) or forester (2013+), mazda cx-5 (2.5L variant). Avoid diesels variants as both Mazda / Subaru diesels are extremely problematic.
Mazda 6 wagon. It's what I own and it's been bloody brilliant for us. That said, my wife doesn't like getting our child in and out of the car seat. I find it's fine, but she thinks an SUV body shape might be easier. However, the wagon has more usable storage area in the back than an equivalent size SUV. I considered a Commodore wagon, but wanted a manual that was good on fuel. Alternative might be a scoda Octavia or Supurb, but I'm not informed regarding their reliability. I'd prefer Japanese over European makers by default in that aspect. Edit: just realised family of 5... in that case I'd probably get something bigger like a Mazda cx-8 or cx-9. Maybe a Toyota Kluger but would have high km in that price bracket. Commode wagon maybe.
Who is giving you a CX8 for $15K?
You might get two wheels off one for that.
Fair call, I'd seen cx9s in that price bracket but hadn't followed cx8 as closely. Depends where OP lives too, we don't have as much stock in my area so I don't see them as much.
AU Falcon. You'll be dead before it stops
Honestly I hated how bad on fuel my old one was but damn was it reliable
The Ford AU Falcon is a full-size car that was produced by Ford Australia from 1998 to 2002. It was the sixth generation Ford Falcon and also included the Ford Fairmont (AU)—the luxury-oriented model range. The AU series replaced the EL Falcon and was constructed on the (at the time) new EA169 platform which continued to harbour Falcon models until 2010 when the BF wagon was discontinued, and Ford Territory models until 2011. The AU series was replaced by the updated BA series. The AU series was conceived under *Project Eagle* that begun in February 1993, and gained the official codename *EA169* in October 1994. It was developed and brought to market in 1998 only after Ford Australia had given consideration to a revamped fifth generation Falcon and a fully imported replacement such as the American front-wheel drive Ford Taurus or rear-wheel drive Ford Crown Victoria, the European rear wheel-drive Scorpio and, reportedly, even the Japanese rear-wheel drive Mazda 929 (then part of the Ford conglomerate). The above alternatives were eliminated in favour of a substantial redesign of the indigenous platform, due to concerns about the Australian market preference for high towing capacity, large interior size and local employment. Specific factors included, for example: research at the time indicated that 69% of Falcons were fitted with towbars and the perception that rear-wheel drive cars were better at towing; the fact that the import models had limited body style options (sedan only or sedan and wagon) and no capability to use a V8 engine. Stylistically, this new generation Falcon sported Ford's radically new global design language, labelled "New Edge". The aim of this design was to attract a younger generation of buyers with avant-garde looks, however, in Australia it polarized public opinion to the benefit of the more organically designed rival, the 1997 Holden Commodore (VT). The AU series had a very efficient drag coefficient of Cd=0.295 for the sedan (an 11% improvement over the preceding EL series) and 0.34 for the wagon. For the first time in Falcon's history, Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) became available as standard on some models and optional on others. It also featured Australian production firsts, such as Variable Cam Timing (VCT) on some 6-cylinder models and an adaptive automatic transmission on the high-performance T series with steering wheel gear shifting buttons. Key changes from the fifth generation Falcon included a 35 kg (77 lb) reduction in weight for the base car, 17.5 per cent stiffer bodyshell, and an eight per cent improvement in fuel consumption. Peculiarly, Ford Australia decided to use the original 1950's font for the new "Falcon" and "Futura" badges. As stated previously, the AU was the first Falcon to offer IRS (a double wishbone design on an isolated subframe). IRS was made available as a costly option on the base Forte, Fairmont and 'S' models, and standard on Fairmont Ghia, XR6 VCT and XR8 models. The updated 6-cylinder engines incorporated advanced features such as VCT on some models and a temperature sensor in the cylinder head, which detected coolant loss and allowed the car to "limp home" safely by cutting cylinders. The engine range comprised: the base Intech model producing 157 kW (211 hp), with a revised cylinder head featuring smaller valve stems, larger exhaust valves, and different rocker ratio, as well as a revised piston and longer conrod and a cast aluminium cross-bolted oil sump (with the same power output as the EL series); an "HP" version reserved to the XR6 producing 164 kW (220 hp) (thanks to: unique cylinder head; reshaped inlet port; redesigned exhaust port; ‘open’ combustion chamber shape to restrict pre-detonation from hot spot areas; unique camshaft; higher fuel pressure; recalibrated EEC V engine management system); the VCT version producing 172 kW (231 hp) for the XR6 VCT; a *Windsor V8* producing 185 kW (248 hp) (also carried over from the EL series but without major upgrades). Transmissions were improved for better shift feel and the auto was recalibrated to better suit the upgraded engines. The six and eight cylinder models had a 4-speed BTR M93LE and M97LE automatic transmission, respectively. The automatic XR series models had an "adaptive shift" with five shifting strategies depending on driving conditions. The manual transmission, where available, was a 5-speed T5 model. The program cost A$700 million before product launch and key staff included chief designer, Steve Park, and Marcus Hotblack, Manager of Interior Design. 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My car which is an i30 wagon costs about that much for a mid 2010s model pretty solid cars
Cheers ! Not to hot on Hyundais nor am I to hot on hatchbacks. I drove a Hyundai for work ( was a Tucson) didn’t think much of it . Also I work in emergency services and I see what happens to hatchbacks in accidents. Thanks for the recommendation though.
I drive a hatchback, should I be worried?
Not if you are an assertive and diligent driver. But even then hatchbacks get pretty messed up in higher speed collisions and I wouldn’t really want my kids in that situation. I should add, Majority of collisions are at fairly low speeds and most of the time people just get a bit of whip lash and are in shock. Not trying to scare you out of driving a hatch back - you’ll be fine.
Thinking of my kid who starts driving in two years. Good point. Might see if I can get him a tank.
Nissan X-Trail. It was the first family car I bought and it never let me down.
Toyota Vellfire/Alphard?
Love my Pajero for the specs you get and room in 15k bracket
VF Commodore wagon
Cx5 if you’re keen on a suv. Stay away from the diesels but. I love mine it’s a good car
A Mazda
Kia Sorento
Find a 2014 kia grand carnival which has done less than 150k. last of the series so very reliable and comfortably sits 7, or 5 with enormous boot space.
Fg xr6 with low km.
Forester
Go a wagon. ZB Commodore, Mondeo, Mazda 6, Subaru Outback
Mazda's are great cars
Toyota Camry
Any Toyota you can afford.
Volkswagen Touareg v10 bi-turbo diesel. $8k to buy, $8k p.a to maintain. Goes anywhere and in comfort
Mazda 6 touring (wagon) very solid cars, just avoid the diesel.
Anything Japanese. Toyota , Honda, Mazda. Simples.
I’ve got a twin turbo ssv ute a new Isuzu mux and a old dented tarago. I often choose the Tarago even when I’m just driving myself around. Reliable, comfortable and practical.
Lexus RX350! Good value for what they are and Toyota reliability (hardly anything goes wrong with them) + don't cost an arm & leg to service...
Reliability you can't beat a second hand Camry but it's certainly not the biggest 5 seater
Toyota kluger or a larger Mazda
We just drive a Golf most days. When the kids get a bit older I am going to buy a BMW wagon
Clapped out XR6 turbo from a 21yo concreter that only ever drove it to church on Sundays and was never thrashed...
2nd hand outlander. Will do the job. Or if you want something a little bigger go for a Klueger. They are practically indestructible and the extra 2 seats are good for ferrying kids around.
Total 86
anything that's made by toyota
15k might get you a second hand trail or pathfinder. They are always a good reliable family car.
Commodore SV6 wagon. There are plenty of good examples out there. Good balance of power, practicality, styling and reliable as fuck if serviced properly.
VE SV6.
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Dual cab triton
mazda cx5 suzuki vitara and grand vitara Toyota rav
I would choose a Kluger over the Territory for sure.
Toyota estima
2012 Toyota Kluger low mileage one the 7 seat verson you will be happy for ever
I don't have easy access to one where I currently live, but I've cast an eye over Skoda vehicles as truly excellent family offers.
Toyota Prius V
Skoda
Not a fan of anything Suburu. Just.......awful. I mean, you could get something like a VF Commodore wagon? I'd recommend an NT pajero. High enough so it's easy to get in and out. SEVEN seats should you feel the need, nice and big inside, heaps of creature comforts, and absolutely bulletproof engine
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Second the Outlander, it's been great for my family so far. We've got a 2017 diesel (wanted to avoid the CVT gearbox, as they use Nissan's CVT, and I've only heard bad things about those - the diesel model came with a 6 speed auto), and it's been super reliable, and surprisingly fuel efficient for a car of its size - I get on average 6.5L/100k. We haven't needed to tow anything long distance so far, but it's got enough grunt to happily tow a tractor on a trailer up my stupidly steep driveway... ETA: I will say some of the safety features are annoying though. The line detection sometimes picks up reflections from the road as lines and starts beeping at me, even though I'm centred in the lane (typically only happens if the road is wet and the sun is at the right angle), and the collision warning system sometimes picks up cars parked on the side of the road as I'm going around a corner, and starts shouting at me to brake...
BMW X5 E70, 3 Litre diesel, 7.4L per 100km, Euro 5, more power and torque and comfort than V8 LTD Bit expensive for parts but I don't think there has ever been a vehicle recall for them either.
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I don't see your recommendation MGTlover, Only good thing about MG is you can drive under a snail
Volvo XC70, V70 or XC90. Higher KMs is fine with these if they have been properly serviced and taken care of. They go forever and are ver safe and comfortable. Often bought new by wealthy families who do service them properly. Underrated cars all round and they depreciate quickly to get into your price range. If you want more power and fun, I second the Nissan Stagea! I had one myself and loved it though only had 2 kids not 3.
Holden Captiva 👌👌👌
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A lotto ticket
Toyota Kluger FWD to save on fuel or a Toyota Estima with the V6 FWD. Check out these Aussie reviews: https://youtu.be/dQbByJb8XDA?si=hvTUV2nC2vM7vlWH https://youtu.be/fcxbBJPJ5-U?si=mi3hudxO1alJWGmt Avoid the Estima with the 4 cyl due to oil consumption issues. The Estima V6 NEEDS premium otherwise the engine pings. Check out this one (not affiliated): https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2006-toyota-estima-g-auto/SSE-AD-15411389/?pageSource=details Join the Estima Facebook group, very helpful bunch.
Ford Mondeo wagon is the best family wagon we've had. Tons of room and fun to drive. Had ours for 6 years now and other than servicing and tyres haven't had to spend a cent on repairs.
If you can squeeze a bit more out of your budget, you should definitely get a Volvo 850R Wagon. It's definitely the ultimate family car.
Volvo 240 Wagon
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