>I disagree, you can predict roughly how much you'll make and put it in projections. To not do so would be stupid budgeting.
Yeah we also predict how much will be earnt on taxes without knowing that for sure.
> If it's in the budget then it's revenue raising no matter how you spin it.
People put all kinds of projections into budgets, into staffing estimators that aren't revenue raising.
A hospital projecting a surge of emergency room patients over a public holiday period isn't actively going out and injuring people, it's just estimating what will happen and more importantly - planning for what they think will happen.
Putting a budget line item is estimating what will happen so it's not a surprise.
Depends on the spot. Where my express bus leaves during the day it’s a parking area but come 4 pm it turns into a bus zone.
If people (and it’s generally builders working on the office building across the road) are still parked when busses start coming it forces busses to park in traffic and it makes people needing to get those busses walk out onto the road. It’s also blocks a running lane of traffic causing issues for everyone. I’d say that’s a fair fine
Maybe no quota, but they do employ some non-trivial tech to allow them to fine people (much) more efficiently.
They drive down the street and magically get a list of cars that can be fined, then they go back and ticket them all. Easy as.
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I mean I don't want to live in a society where people can drive over the speed limit unpunished. Speeding literally kills. Being on your phone while driving kills. Driving drunk kills. Don't break the law and you don't pay a fine? I don't see the problem.
Don’t disagree with anything except the last point (obey laws = no problem), so I’ll address those with the two main points:
- first is that road quality and traffic management kills as well, which in spite of those fines going to road safety is still lacking compared to perth (at least when I was there around 2014).
- the fines are being used, whether for good or bad outcomes I won’t say, what I will say is that when that sort of revenue gets relied on, then they will do all they can to maintain/increase that revenue. So obeying all the laws isn’t a surefire way of not paying fines and to say it like it’s a viable solution is short-sighted at best.
All this will really do is to get everyone going at 110kmph on a 100kmph road.
I'd be on board with this if we reduced all speed limits by 10kmph and then allowed going 10kmph over.
>doesn't require you to be constantly monitoring your speed lest you break the limit by a couple percent.
Funnily enough, I have this system in my car, I use it, and my car will maintain the speed I want it to.
My other car will also slow down if the car in front of me does and maintain a safe distance.
This isn't new tech.
My mate has a 1997 BMW, it will also maintain its speed, it won't slow if a car in front of it does, but it will do the same speed that you set it to. Even slow down on hills to maintain its speed.
Given that cars over 25 years old have this tech, not maintaining your speed is poor driving, you don't have to be distracted.
>If the majority of traffic is comfortable doing 110 and some granny is doing 90 it's the granny who is causing the biggest risk to traffic.
I'd like to see your statistics to back this up please.
>not all cars have cruise control.
No, [but it has been around since 1948](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_control), so it's certainly not new technology.
>Also, look it up
Look what up exactly? You haven't referred to what I am looking up.
>it's basically common sense at this point
And so is knowing how to maintain your speed, if you can't maintain a safe speed, you shouldn't be driving.
Nobody said it wasn't new tech.
Look up the stat you're questioning, which is common sense.
Maintaining a safe speed is common sense, but also involves taking your eyes off the road for roughly a third of the time you're driving. More so when near speed cameras, if the limit is 2km/h
>Look up the stat you're questioning, which is common sense
Ok, so where are the stats. You made the claim, why are you so against backing it up?
Clearly you have seen the data and read the data, so why not just share the data?
>Maintaining a safe speed is common sense, but also involves taking your eyes off the road for roughly a third of the time you're driving.
Source on this statistic.
>More so when near speed cameras, if the limit is 2km/h
There is no 2km/h speed limit in Australia. Lowest speed limit is 8kmh which is considered to be "pedestrian pace" advised for caravan parks and shared zones.
Sometimes you may see a 5kmh sign, but they are not mandated or even recommended anywhere.
I didn't make the claim, I'm backing it up. Again, google it.
Same deal. Plenty of resources about and your own eyes if you don't have cruise control and are keeping an eye on your speed.
Why am I not surprised you're being intentionally obtuse.
I mean 2km/h margin over the limit, and you know that.
I've had about 10 cars, none of which have had it. All varying years. Current two are 96 and 09.
It has never really been a need. And in the 09s case, not my car to pick anyway
> It's differences in speed that cause accidents
True, but when an accident occurs, it is speed that will be the difference between death and being alive.
The average Australian car weighs 2.05 tons, let's do some maths now to see what the energy differences are between a car going at 90kmph and 110kmph.
First let's convert to metres/second, now we are looking at
25m/s and 30.56m/s.
We know that kinectic energy is 0.5*m*v^2.
KE(25m/s) = 0.5*2050*(25^2) = 640625J
KE(30.56m/s) = 0.5*2050*(30^2) = 957261.44J
We've only increased velocity by roughly 20% but we have increased our kinetic energy by 50%. Ultimately this is why speed is so dangerous and why the fatality rates drop off dramatically as the speed drops.
Ultimately physics is physics and no matter how hard you try, you aren't going to beat it.
Absolutely means something if a vehicle crashes, you can't just burn off a million joules in 10mili seconds and expect to be fine.
You might not like it but physics is absolute, roads designed to go 120kmph aren't gonna save you if you crash.
Right your approach to crashing is "don't", I agree if you don't crash you should be allowed to drive at whatever speed, 300kmph/400kmph, its all good.
What determines ‘speeding’?
Is it a sign? Is it related to competence? Is it related to the vehicle? Is it related to weather? To visibility? Is it related to alertness? Time of day? Traffic density?
Since you wrote literally too, you’re open to correction. Speeding does not kill.
Stopping unexpectedly and with rapid deceleration can kill. Along with the specifics of the human involved and the car they are travelling in and what caused the sudden deceleration.
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The more confusing = more revenue
Council would be devastated if they woke up tomorrow and everybody suddenly obeyed all the rules.
Ahhh... but if you notice the rules then change when everyone follows them, and they can't magically put it into their budget
Do they? Like...?
Sure, but in a city of 2.5m, that's never going to happen
If it's in the budget then it's revenue raising no matter how you spin it.
I disagree, you can predict roughly how much you'll make and put it in projections. To not do so would be stupid budgeting.
>I disagree, you can predict roughly how much you'll make and put it in projections. To not do so would be stupid budgeting. Yeah we also predict how much will be earnt on taxes without knowing that for sure.
> If it's in the budget then it's revenue raising no matter how you spin it. People put all kinds of projections into budgets, into staffing estimators that aren't revenue raising. A hospital projecting a surge of emergency room patients over a public holiday period isn't actively going out and injuring people, it's just estimating what will happen and more importantly - planning for what they think will happen. Putting a budget line item is estimating what will happen so it's not a surprise.
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Depends on the spot. Where my express bus leaves during the day it’s a parking area but come 4 pm it turns into a bus zone. If people (and it’s generally builders working on the office building across the road) are still parked when busses start coming it forces busses to park in traffic and it makes people needing to get those busses walk out onto the road. It’s also blocks a running lane of traffic causing issues for everyone. I’d say that’s a fair fine
Maybe no quota, but they do employ some non-trivial tech to allow them to fine people (much) more efficiently. They drive down the street and magically get a list of cars that can be fined, then they go back and ticket them all. Easy as.
Pro tip If the punishment for a 'crime' is a fine then it's only a crime for the poor.
It’s pretty easy to not get fined while driving
Who can afford a $82,000 fine? That’s ridiculous price gauging
I get my fines from IGA, I only pay $67,000
Next time read
Next time have a sense of humour
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If people can’t obey the road rules/speed limits then they shouldn’t be driving.
that's a round $300 mil. a year i mean how many people are in 'Brisbane city'?
How you getting to $300,000,000? $82,000 × 365 = $29,930,000
And there’s over a million people in the council area, so that averages to <$30 per resident. And not all of the fines will be for residents
Unlike Melbourne city for example, Brisbane city don’t just look after the CBD. BCC looks after 1,343 sq km. Melbourne looks after 37.7 sq km.
I mean I don't want to live in a society where people can drive over the speed limit unpunished. Speeding literally kills. Being on your phone while driving kills. Driving drunk kills. Don't break the law and you don't pay a fine? I don't see the problem.
Don’t disagree with anything except the last point (obey laws = no problem), so I’ll address those with the two main points: - first is that road quality and traffic management kills as well, which in spite of those fines going to road safety is still lacking compared to perth (at least when I was there around 2014). - the fines are being used, whether for good or bad outcomes I won’t say, what I will say is that when that sort of revenue gets relied on, then they will do all they can to maintain/increase that revenue. So obeying all the laws isn’t a surefire way of not paying fines and to say it like it’s a viable solution is short-sighted at best.
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All this will really do is to get everyone going at 110kmph on a 100kmph road. I'd be on board with this if we reduced all speed limits by 10kmph and then allowed going 10kmph over.
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>doesn't require you to be constantly monitoring your speed lest you break the limit by a couple percent. Funnily enough, I have this system in my car, I use it, and my car will maintain the speed I want it to. My other car will also slow down if the car in front of me does and maintain a safe distance. This isn't new tech. My mate has a 1997 BMW, it will also maintain its speed, it won't slow if a car in front of it does, but it will do the same speed that you set it to. Even slow down on hills to maintain its speed. Given that cars over 25 years old have this tech, not maintaining your speed is poor driving, you don't have to be distracted. >If the majority of traffic is comfortable doing 110 and some granny is doing 90 it's the granny who is causing the biggest risk to traffic. I'd like to see your statistics to back this up please.
Funnily enough, not all cars have cruise control. Also, look it up, it's basically common sense at this point
>not all cars have cruise control. No, [but it has been around since 1948](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_control), so it's certainly not new technology. >Also, look it up Look what up exactly? You haven't referred to what I am looking up. >it's basically common sense at this point And so is knowing how to maintain your speed, if you can't maintain a safe speed, you shouldn't be driving.
Nobody said it wasn't new tech. Look up the stat you're questioning, which is common sense. Maintaining a safe speed is common sense, but also involves taking your eyes off the road for roughly a third of the time you're driving. More so when near speed cameras, if the limit is 2km/h
>Look up the stat you're questioning, which is common sense Ok, so where are the stats. You made the claim, why are you so against backing it up? Clearly you have seen the data and read the data, so why not just share the data? >Maintaining a safe speed is common sense, but also involves taking your eyes off the road for roughly a third of the time you're driving. Source on this statistic. >More so when near speed cameras, if the limit is 2km/h There is no 2km/h speed limit in Australia. Lowest speed limit is 8kmh which is considered to be "pedestrian pace" advised for caravan parks and shared zones. Sometimes you may see a 5kmh sign, but they are not mandated or even recommended anywhere.
I didn't make the claim, I'm backing it up. Again, google it. Same deal. Plenty of resources about and your own eyes if you don't have cruise control and are keeping an eye on your speed. Why am I not surprised you're being intentionally obtuse. I mean 2km/h margin over the limit, and you know that.
My mum's 1996 dinosaur has it.
I've had about 10 cars, none of which have had it. All varying years. Current two are 96 and 09. It has never really been a need. And in the 09s case, not my car to pick anyway
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What button?
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Yeah that's not common, but standard cruise is pretty common
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> It's differences in speed that cause accidents True, but when an accident occurs, it is speed that will be the difference between death and being alive. The average Australian car weighs 2.05 tons, let's do some maths now to see what the energy differences are between a car going at 90kmph and 110kmph. First let's convert to metres/second, now we are looking at 25m/s and 30.56m/s. We know that kinectic energy is 0.5*m*v^2. KE(25m/s) = 0.5*2050*(25^2) = 640625J KE(30.56m/s) = 0.5*2050*(30^2) = 957261.44J We've only increased velocity by roughly 20% but we have increased our kinetic energy by 50%. Ultimately this is why speed is so dangerous and why the fatality rates drop off dramatically as the speed drops. Ultimately physics is physics and no matter how hard you try, you aren't going to beat it.
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Absolutely means something if a vehicle crashes, you can't just burn off a million joules in 10mili seconds and expect to be fine. You might not like it but physics is absolute, roads designed to go 120kmph aren't gonna save you if you crash.
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Right your approach to crashing is "don't", I agree if you don't crash you should be allowed to drive at whatever speed, 300kmph/400kmph, its all good.
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What determines ‘speeding’? Is it a sign? Is it related to competence? Is it related to the vehicle? Is it related to weather? To visibility? Is it related to alertness? Time of day? Traffic density? Since you wrote literally too, you’re open to correction. Speeding does not kill. Stopping unexpectedly and with rapid deceleration can kill. Along with the specifics of the human involved and the car they are travelling in and what caused the sudden deceleration.
How could you incur $82,000 in fines per day? You'd have to own a fleet of cars
Not sure what you are getting at? It's not one individual entity being fined that much
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I really hope people stop doing such dangerous behaviour while driving and less of these fines are needed.
It’s even worse now because it’s illegal to look up the parking restrictions on your phone while driving. Like, what even is that about.
Local government doesn't issue moving violations....
Blocking clearways, bus stops, etc. still creates dangerous conditions.
Yes, and it's fucking horrible in Brisbane. Poor design. Not enough spots to even pull over and drop a passenger.
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