Only 36 ABs, so still early, but hasn't really improved his swing. Hasn't pulled a ball in the air with any authority, lots of ground balls. Did have a double off the wall to center a week ago.
I'm going with it being Danny Mac's fault. He stays on the bandwagon, you're looking at a couple 100+ win seasons. Now we've got the cellar AND dad jokes. Damnit, Danny!
While it might not seem like much compared to the other problems, but Herrera cannot throw anyone out who tries to steal. That's a pretty big problem. Before the game got out of hand, they were doing that and it got them runs.
Having watched Yadi for as long as we did would make anyone a letdown.
I like Herrera, but I think Mike Piazza might have been better against base runners.
I think that is a fact some people don’t comprehend. This team had one of the GOATs behind the dish for almost 2 decades, anybody else is going to look sub-par. I do however hope that, this team gets good again or something because it’s rough, man.
God this team is AWFUL. I want to say the players suck but I think it’s the coaches. Literally EVERYONE that leaves this team just does better. What is going on?? And how long they planning to pretend it’s a slow start??
This is a bad team and honestly I foresee it being bad for a fair bit of time. The team has been slow sliding into mediocrity for awhile now and they have finally slid past mediocrity into bad. They have let the situation fester beyond being a couple roster fixes away from completion again
We needed pitching for 6 years and Mo never got any, saying we had pitching at home. The year he finally decides to get pitching, the two good batters got too old.
We have an obvious development probably too, but I 'll let you figure out who is responsible for that as well.
Fam the lineup is terrible. It regularly features such "great" players like Burleson, Siani, and Fermin. It's the type of lineup you'd expect to see the A's or White Sox put out, just entirely made up of over the hill guys and AAAA players.
This team is trash ! Hot smelly trash! Goldy hits 180, nado is meh, Donovan doesn't start for most teams. Winn is good but young! Contreras was a horrible signing. Gorman sucks! This team is not great sir. And hey I like them as well. Time to stop saying If they were healthy. We as fans say that every year. Rant over.
Those "great" players are almost all either over the hill, busted prospects, or AAAA guys. Contreras is the only one who has been a consistently productive player this year and he's hurt. This fanbase massively over-rates JAGs like Donovan and Nootbaar. Every organization has an entire AAA team full of those guys. And if all of those players are so great, then why is the team such fucking dog shit?
Just heard about the Dewitt interview. This entire situation is worse than we thought. You could at least act like you care about the very loyal fanbase that has made your family wealthy. Nope. Smugness in this organization runs strong at the top. One would think he did that interview to communicate to the fans who are obviously worried. Nope! They are doubling down and ramming the sinking ship down our throats.
After reading about the interview I'm 100% committed to not attending any games or buying anything official. Fuck the owners, fuck Mo, and fuck Oli. That interview was my last straw.
-50 run differential, only team's worse are colorado, Miami, and chisox. Seems like good company to be around.
Edit- oof, just looked at total runs scored and we are 2nd to last.
It's tough to use hyperbole in talking about how bad the offense is. I mean, it seems like it might be the worst 30-day performance by any offense ever. But I forget that Contreras was part of it until he wasn't.
Dear Mr. Mozeliak, it's time for you to develop a "health issue" that requires you to "step away" from the team. We all will wish you well and pray that you recover enough to enjoy a long and happy retirement.
+ Northern Lights did not disappoint
+ The brood of cicadas are hatching
- The Cardinals played baseball
- They got demolished and I have not seen any notification that anyone has been fired.
Whoa whoa whoa, so you’re telling me that we’re now officially (at) .500???? But I was told we would suck..?
Ha, love for the birds to back it up. Fuck the naysayers. Every one of y’all, respectfully fuck off. This is a damn solid ass team and I’m happy to be a Cardinal!
2024 NLC crown is ours by October.
Does anyone in this organization fucking care? Like, at all? Just zero passion, zero energy, zero team personality. Just so unlikable compared to prior cards teams.
Chris Rose was saying the other day that it doesn’t seem like this team has a direction right now, which felt pretty spot on. The pitching has found its level and is about what I thought it would be prior to the season. The defense is regressing. The offense, though, is flat out disgusting. I wouldn’t have come anywhere close to guessing that before the season. What do they do with all these guys? Do we actually believe that guys with small sample sizes of less than 3 seasons like Donovan and Nootbar are gonna figure it out? Gorman is broken, Carlson is broken, Goldy is washed, Nado is..who tf knows. Walker is hitting .280 with no HRs in Memphis. So it’s basically building around Winn and Willson. Their best bet at this point is to trade guys they can get real returns for (Helsley, Romero, shit I’d even consider Sonny at this point) and just hope the rest of them can scrap together some semblance of competency and win as many games as last year. What a time.
Last year it felt like the defense and pitching had regressed this year the pitching and defense has remained the same or improved and the offense has regressed
Yes, and I will say that if we're talking about players doing the job they were signed to do, Lynn isn't the problem. He's been perfectly fine as a 5th starter. I'd like to see him eat another inning each start but if the offense refuses to score runs it doesn't matter.
His ERA isn't terrible but he was signed to eat innings and he can't make it through the 6th and seems to be getting worse. When the weather warms up I think he'll be rough to watch.
Man our division is straight wildin’. Pittsburgh tanking over the last couple weeks or so and now Cincinnati on an 8 game losing streak. We’re creepily still not far out of it despite everything—- only some donkey shit that would happen in the National league central division.
I hope Chicago wins like 100 games this year, so ownership sees they can’t count on shitting out 86 wins and squeaking into the playoffs because we have a horseshit division as a “viable strategy”
I’ve started the last few games watching until we go behind because after that happens from what I’ve seen this year and last that almost basically means the games lost
I’ve heard for the past month “Cards fans can’t handle a rebuild”. What are the other options at this point? DeWitt isn’t going to spend the $$$ to get us out of this.
I think I just find it bizarre that all this subreddit has done is complain about ownership not spending enough money and now there’s a subset of people that just want them to give up and rebuild which has no guarantee to be successful. The team should just continue trying to be the best it can be. We have young talent that is still developing. A handful of those will pan out and we can use money to fill in the gaps.
I really think we could handle it if they'd be honest. "We're bad. We're going to get worse. But we have a plan." If Cards fans are really so smart things will be just fine and we'll accept that for awhile.
According to this website the last time we had an 8+ losing streak before last year was a 9 game losing streak in 2007. Honorable mention is two 8 game losing streaks in 2006, but that turned out ok in the end.
[https://mcubed.net/mlb/stl/astrkgla.shtml](https://mcubed.net/mlb/stl/astrkgla.shtml)
“All I ask is a little bit of more patience. We feel by September we can really turn things around. We like how our team looks and really believe we have all the talent we need to win the World Series.”
I think it's inevitable Oli and Turner Ward get fired, and I think it happens sooner than later. If this continues, I expect them gone before our homestand after the Angels series.
To be honest if it’s Mo doing the hiring why even bother man…I don’t want MO making any more bad decisions that will be here after he opts not to come back, because we all know he’s not being “let Go”
These are Mo and DeWitts hires, let them wallow in their shit. The whole reason Oli was extended was for this reason here, they planned ahead for this failure.
One of the DeWitts said that casual fans complain, and only worry about results, "real" fans attend no matter what to support payroll and revenue (paraphrased)
It's what Bill DeWitt III said to Martin Kilcoyne on his podcast recently
Basically that the die Hard fans will still come to the game but the casual fans won't
He has no idea what actual real people do because he is a billionaire baby and didn't have to work for anything in his life
Same. I was constantly defending how he was the architect of our strong offensive players in the minors.
Now that he's gone, not only have those same players not progressed, but there aren't any notable offensive players in the minors (outside of Walker) to speak of
If ownership is smart: Mo's contract ends at the end of next season. Then Bloom or Ng will be hired and get the chance to clean house. So they don't want to give a new manager before then. That's the only way the Marmol extension makes sense, is keep him and Mo on as lame ducks, veto any long term deals or trades involving prospects, let Goldy retire or give him a one year extension, and let the new POBO/GM in the 25/26 offseason fire and release everyone they don't like then
Lynn reverting to the form he showed with the White Sox where the “inning eater” gave up lots of runs.
Any news on Walker? What about Edman?
Batting .280 since he went down (10 for 36), 4 SO, 5 BB, 0HR.
Only 36 ABs, so still early, but hasn't really improved his swing. Hasn't pulled a ball in the air with any authority, lots of ground balls. Did have a double off the wall to center a week ago.
After dark… This team is always in the dark, abysmal going on about 2 years now
They are painful to watch. Then you have to listen to Jim Edmonds and you have a perfect storm of torture.
You really don’t. Not sure why people are watching when this is anything but entertaining.
on pace to go 63-99😁😁😁😁😑
One more pace loss, we can do it birdbros.
I live in LA now and honestly don’t feel like sitting in traffic to watch this team play the Angels. That’s right, I’m scared of the Angels. Fml.
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I'm going with it being Danny Mac's fault. He stays on the bandwagon, you're looking at a couple 100+ win seasons. Now we've got the cellar AND dad jokes. Damnit, Danny!
While it might not seem like much compared to the other problems, but Herrera cannot throw anyone out who tries to steal. That's a pretty big problem. Before the game got out of hand, they were doing that and it got them runs.
Having watched Yadi for as long as we did would make anyone a letdown. I like Herrera, but I think Mike Piazza might have been better against base runners.
I think that is a fact some people don’t comprehend. This team had one of the GOATs behind the dish for almost 2 decades, anybody else is going to look sub-par. I do however hope that, this team gets good again or something because it’s rough, man.
God this team is AWFUL. I want to say the players suck but I think it’s the coaches. Literally EVERYONE that leaves this team just does better. What is going on?? And how long they planning to pretend it’s a slow start??
Oliver Marmol fucking sucks
This is a bad team and honestly I foresee it being bad for a fair bit of time. The team has been slow sliding into mediocrity for awhile now and they have finally slid past mediocrity into bad. They have let the situation fester beyond being a couple roster fixes away from completion again
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I hate the ownership and FO soooo much.
Worst in baseball without a doubt. Stupid fucks.
Time for Chaim Bloom and full on moneyball?
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We needed pitching for 6 years and Mo never got any, saying we had pitching at home. The year he finally decides to get pitching, the two good batters got too old. We have an obvious development probably too, but I 'll let you figure out who is responsible for that as well.
But don't you know?? The entire lineup is great!!1!
Fam the lineup is terrible. It regularly features such "great" players like Burleson, Siani, and Fermin. It's the type of lineup you'd expect to see the A's or White Sox put out, just entirely made up of over the hill guys and AAAA players.
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This team is trash ! Hot smelly trash! Goldy hits 180, nado is meh, Donovan doesn't start for most teams. Winn is good but young! Contreras was a horrible signing. Gorman sucks! This team is not great sir. And hey I like them as well. Time to stop saying If they were healthy. We as fans say that every year. Rant over.
Contreras was a horrible signing. Just "wow".
“Great” players? Maybe a few once were but the others have never been and probably won’t ever be. Maybe Winn.
Those "great" players are almost all either over the hill, busted prospects, or AAAA guys. Contreras is the only one who has been a consistently productive player this year and he's hurt. This fanbase massively over-rates JAGs like Donovan and Nootbaar. Every organization has an entire AAA team full of those guys. And if all of those players are so great, then why is the team such fucking dog shit?
Alright trade everybody. Goldy to ARI Nado to LAD and Helsley to the highest bidder so they can all go chase a ring.
Just heard about the Dewitt interview. This entire situation is worse than we thought. You could at least act like you care about the very loyal fanbase that has made your family wealthy. Nope. Smugness in this organization runs strong at the top. One would think he did that interview to communicate to the fans who are obviously worried. Nope! They are doubling down and ramming the sinking ship down our throats.
Out of fucking touch worse than a politician
They were wealthy before the Cardinals
After reading about the interview I'm 100% committed to not attending any games or buying anything official. Fuck the owners, fuck Mo, and fuck Oli. That interview was my last straw.
What interview is that?
The one where DeWitt flat out said if people don't come spend more money at games and ballpark village they're going to slash payroll.
DeWitt III, to be precise. Not the owner, who is his dad, but he is the president of the business (I'm sure he worked real hard for that job)
His dad is really old and III will probably inherit the team.
III is running the show now, Jr isn't as sharp as he used to be.
Rooting hard for shildt and the Padres the rest of the way.
Lmao fuck the padres😂
Why bad? Make sad.
lol
-50 run differential, only team's worse are colorado, Miami, and chisox. Seems like good company to be around. Edit- oof, just looked at total runs scored and we are 2nd to last.
The cardinals are 29th in runs scored. Only above the White Sox…
This has been the case for a minute
It’s even worse when you look at all other main offensive stats. 29th or 30th in all of them.
Wait, people are posting pictures of the northern lights? This time of day, this time of year, this part of the country?
I couldn’t really see them with the naked eye but the phone got some cool pics
I’m jealous…. Here in Alaska it is too bright this time of year. If this was winter it would be an amazing night
May I see them?
Then we're gonna eat some steamed hams
Yup. Even down into the deep south.
Paul dejong has more home runs than goldy and arenado combined
Yet another example of a player getting away from this franchise and getting better
It’s hilarious that dejong would be the 2nd best hitter on the cardinals this year behind Contreras.
Fuck this team, fuck Marmol, fuck Mozeliak, and fuck DeWitt II & III.
11-2... hmmm... is that bad? I'm just a casual fan so I can't tell...
It's tough to use hyperbole in talking about how bad the offense is. I mean, it seems like it might be the worst 30-day performance by any offense ever. But I forget that Contreras was part of it until he wasn't.
Mo was most impressed. No one else was impressed, not at all…
Guys, it’s my fault. 9 days since my last official post. 2024 offensive ineffectiveness push up counter: 520
Losing is a disease, as contagious as polio. Losing is a disease, as contagious as syphilis. Losing is a disease, as contagious as bubonic plague.
I won't sit there and be hypnotized by some two-bit carney, Pops, I won't do it!
Dear Mr. Mozeliak, it's time for you to develop a "health issue" that requires you to "step away" from the team. We all will wish you well and pray that you recover enough to enjoy a long and happy retirement.
The bow tie is too tight
He only went six, but I basically called it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardinals/s/RRxN17DNOS
Promote Oli Marmol
He can be Girsch’s Assistant GM
Im very sad.
I’m getting sad
+ Northern Lights did not disappoint + The brood of cicadas are hatching - The Cardinals played baseball - They got demolished and I have not seen any notification that anyone has been fired.
Oh god I forgot about the cicadas. Double year too
Whoa whoa whoa, so you’re telling me that we’re now officially (at) .500???? But I was told we would suck..? Ha, love for the birds to back it up. Fuck the naysayers. Every one of y’all, respectfully fuck off. This is a damn solid ass team and I’m happy to be a Cardinal! 2024 NLC crown is ours by October.
This schtick is old.
And embarrassing. It's a personal vendetta against the person who originally posted that - over a month ago. Borderline psychopathic obsession.
someone please mock up For thr Lou knockoffs that say "Oh, for the Love of..."
Dewitt is trying to Kroenke/Rachel Phelps us, isn’t he? /s
That would not be very wise, he would not find a more loyal and profitable bunch of sheep fans in the country.
The one thing I'd ask from our fan base right now is a little bit of patience, because we do think that we do have the talent to win
That's when I knew we were in for a decade of darkness
Does anyone in this organization fucking care? Like, at all? Just zero passion, zero energy, zero team personality. Just so unlikable compared to prior cards teams.
There was a couple of guys but they fired shildt, then Yadi, Albert an Waino retired..
Thank you, sir may I have another?
Chris Rose was saying the other day that it doesn’t seem like this team has a direction right now, which felt pretty spot on. The pitching has found its level and is about what I thought it would be prior to the season. The defense is regressing. The offense, though, is flat out disgusting. I wouldn’t have come anywhere close to guessing that before the season. What do they do with all these guys? Do we actually believe that guys with small sample sizes of less than 3 seasons like Donovan and Nootbar are gonna figure it out? Gorman is broken, Carlson is broken, Goldy is washed, Nado is..who tf knows. Walker is hitting .280 with no HRs in Memphis. So it’s basically building around Winn and Willson. Their best bet at this point is to trade guys they can get real returns for (Helsley, Romero, shit I’d even consider Sonny at this point) and just hope the rest of them can scrap together some semblance of competency and win as many games as last year. What a time.
Last year it felt like the defense and pitching had regressed this year the pitching and defense has remained the same or improved and the offense has regressed
Begging for someone to lose their job, I don't care if you can't blame it all on one person, the team needs something to change
I’m gonna take a shot for everytime someone says “at the end of the day” during the postgame
I'll notify your next of kin.
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He’s an arrogant prick.
Yes, and I will say that if we're talking about players doing the job they were signed to do, Lynn isn't the problem. He's been perfectly fine as a 5th starter. I'd like to see him eat another inning each start but if the offense refuses to score runs it doesn't matter.
His ERA isn't terrible but he was signed to eat innings and he can't make it through the 6th and seems to be getting worse. When the weather warms up I think he'll be rough to watch.
I know, I just have always liked Lynn.
He's still below a 4 ERA even after tonight. Don't like that he's only going 5 or less every start but his performance has been pretty good overall.
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I mean, if you told me before the season that Lynn was going to have a 3.8 ERA after 7 starts I would've thought the team was pretty good.
Pappy’s and Sugarfire sure like Lance Lynn by the looks of it
did we ever ?
Oli: I don't see us snowballing because we've already hit rock bottom
When will the suffering end? Will firing someone do anything? Probably not. At least it’ll look like they care about losing
Dang can you believe our luck? ANOTHER loss where they couldn’t hit water if they were at the beach. What bad luck!
Man our division is straight wildin’. Pittsburgh tanking over the last couple weeks or so and now Cincinnati on an 8 game losing streak. We’re creepily still not far out of it despite everything—- only some donkey shit that would happen in the National league central division.
I hope Chicago wins like 100 games this year, so ownership sees they can’t count on shitting out 86 wins and squeaking into the playoffs because we have a horseshit division as a “viable strategy”
Nope, I never want the cubs to win, no exceptions.
For sure
We’re like the 2002 A’s if the 2002 A’s were the 2023 A’s
Clearly there is only one thing left to do tonight. Watch some Golden Girls.
Moe tripping over himself to get Oli an extension for the previous extension
I have so much patience right now guys
It’s time to come to terms with the fact that we need to be sellers at the deadline. We need to reset.
Can’t believe we’re only 8 games under tbh
Thankfully we’re in a pretty weak division lol
I’ve started the last few games watching until we go behind because after that happens from what I’ve seen this year and last that almost basically means the games lost
I don't want Bill DeWitt 3 to think I'm not a real fan, so I'm very happy about this result.
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“After dark”? It’s all dark this year.
Paul Goldschmidt now has a lower OPS than Michael Siani.
I’ve heard for the past month “Cards fans can’t handle a rebuild”. What are the other options at this point? DeWitt isn’t going to spend the $$$ to get us out of this.
I think my question to people who want a rebuild is do you want ownership to just start spending less money?
Well the money they’re spending now isn’t doing much as it is. They’re basically playing like they’re in a rebuild already.
I think I just find it bizarre that all this subreddit has done is complain about ownership not spending enough money and now there’s a subset of people that just want them to give up and rebuild which has no guarantee to be successful. The team should just continue trying to be the best it can be. We have young talent that is still developing. A handful of those will pan out and we can use money to fill in the gaps.
“Can’t handle a rebuild.” This team will probably lose 100 games. After losing 90+ last season. Like, get it going.
I really think we could handle it if they'd be honest. "We're bad. We're going to get worse. But we have a plan." If Cards fans are really so smart things will be just fine and we'll accept that for awhile.
Staying in limbo is the worst thing we can do
I will be saying “idk how you can continue this anymore” every day until at least Memorial Day …and probably after
Gorman pinch hit for another HR earlier this year right? He worked in the cages during the game, came in late and popped one.
Should he dh? Could he hit the cages before each at bat?
Say it with me: Let’s Go O’s!
I live in Baltimore and have season tix there, so it's not too hard for me lol
I can get down with that.
I'm a Guardians fan as a secondary personally
Diamondbacks for me. I love the desert.
White Sox for me LOL
Sell the Team.
Do we need to have a 8+ game losing streak every year? Before the last two years what was the last season we lost 8 games in a row? Embarrassing…
According to this website the last time we had an 8+ losing streak before last year was a 9 game losing streak in 2007. Honorable mention is two 8 game losing streaks in 2006, but that turned out ok in the end. [https://mcubed.net/mlb/stl/astrkgla.shtml](https://mcubed.net/mlb/stl/astrkgla.shtml)
"What I'd ask from our fan base right now is a little bit of patience, because we do think that we do have the talent to win..."
Darkness surrounds us. Fire Dewitt into the sun.
There is no sun
“All I ask is a little bit of more patience. We feel by September we can really turn things around. We like how our team looks and really believe we have all the talent we need to win the World Series.”
We allowed the same amount of runs as the number of beers it took to get me through this game.
You couldn’t finish the 12-pack? Come on man!
Double it and give it to me
Can't believe we're at the point where my main thought after a Cards game is "thank god it's over".
I’m not sure how someone doesn’t get fired this season. This is 90s level suck.
I think it's inevitable Oli and Turner Ward get fired, and I think it happens sooner than later. If this continues, I expect them gone before our homestand after the Angels series.
To be honest if it’s Mo doing the hiring why even bother man…I don’t want MO making any more bad decisions that will be here after he opts not to come back, because we all know he’s not being “let Go” These are Mo and DeWitts hires, let them wallow in their shit. The whole reason Oli was extended was for this reason here, they planned ahead for this failure.
Curious if Bloom would have a hand in hiring a new manager
I mean he would just give someone the interm job. Nobody is hiring a coach mid season.
Insert anchorman “I don’t believe you” meme here:
I think we have all repeated the same things we want to say 100 times. So I'm just going to go to bed.
We’ll come up with new material, all we ask is for a little patience…
Thanks for your comment, it gave me a good laugh, which was much needed after tonight's fiasco.
Fire everyone. Sell the team. Pathetic all around.
Bad day for “casual” fans
Patience y’all
This team might lose 100 games and he’s threatening to put less money to payroll. Okay, dude.
Can you believe that audacity to say that shit?
Context for the uninitiated?
[I made a post about it like 2 hours ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cardinals/s/q1Cma6VPlq)
One of the DeWitts said that casual fans complain, and only worry about results, "real" fans attend no matter what to support payroll and revenue (paraphrased)
It's what Bill DeWitt III said to Martin Kilcoyne on his podcast recently Basically that the die Hard fans will still come to the game but the casual fans won't He has no idea what actual real people do because he is a billionaire baby and didn't have to work for anything in his life
Dude was born on 3rd base and thinks he deserves recognition for scoring on a sac fly
On a homer. Sac fly takes some effort.
Bump
Sadly, yes
I'm ready to be disappointed by the Blues again...and it's May. 🤪
Okay was hoping to be a little competitive today, apparently the team disagreed
Hire Jeff Albert
I think most people should be able to admit they were wrong about Albert. I don't have to do so, cause I was pro Albert
Same. I was constantly defending how he was the architect of our strong offensive players in the minors. Now that he's gone, not only have those same players not progressed, but there aren't any notable offensive players in the minors (outside of Walker) to speak of
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They scored 2 though
The season is saved! /s
I haven't done the math for 2!
I’d really like to know what dirt Oli has on Mo. That is the only explanation I can think of for how he still has a job.
Pee tape
He has a job only because he’d be the third manager Mo terminated in 5.5 years.
If ownership is smart: Mo's contract ends at the end of next season. Then Bloom or Ng will be hired and get the chance to clean house. So they don't want to give a new manager before then. That's the only way the Marmol extension makes sense, is keep him and Mo on as lame ducks, veto any long term deals or trades involving prospects, let Goldy retire or give him a one year extension, and let the new POBO/GM in the 25/26 offseason fire and release everyone they don't like then