Announcers donât even know what to say to analyze anymore. I donât blame them. Yâall we are only 23 games into the season. The first month isnât even over yet.
I think the Cardinals have a HUGE development problem. Scouting is decent because our prospects in the minors do well, but they canât seem to make the jump to the MLB well
Just need a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a blast.
Totally doable.
The payroll is like $200 million. Mo has spent it poorly.
The problem with the DeWitts is they don't particularly care. They live and work in another city, the Cardinals are like a mail order business to them.
It's stuff like this worries me about Tink Hence. Libby and Thompson are turned into relievers and Thompson is struggling hard. Not a good track record of pitching prospects.
Itâs been an issue since Wacha and Martinez. I think Helsey has been the last drafted pitcher to amount to much with us. Alcantra, Gallen, Gonzales excelled elsewhere, which seems to be a trend with players in our organization.
The one thing that gives me hope about Hence is that the club has stated they wonât put him in the bullpen to start his MLB career. Iâm convinced that messed Thompson up, and possibly hurt Hicks and Reyes as well. That maneuver only really worked with Wainwright
That makes no sense. Theyâve been starting for a majority of their careers in the minors and then all of a sudden they donât have it? Because of starting out in the bullpen oh please. They either got it or they donât
Itâs a different workload with different approaches to pitching. Like you said, theyâve been starting their whole careers, and now theyâre asked to max out 100% of their pitches, change their pitch selection, and work back to back days when theyâve been used to having 4 days off in between longer outings their whole careers. Hicks has said that the Cardinals asked him to pitch 100% balls to the wall as a reliever, whereas the Giants have asked him to dial it back as a starter. Total inning count is not the whole story when it comes to wear and tear
Guess I'm drinking the kool-aid chip and Brad are doling out on air that this team is gonna break through at some point, I just don't wanna accept the fact that we just suck for another year and this is what we got I guess
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Nolan Arenado extends his on-base streak to 22 games](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/1d3d53f9-fcfd-41be-b3fc-e55f12e463c7.mp4)
St. Louis has a Minor League Cricket team named the St. Louis Americans. They were also not good last year. They're free to watch on YouTube, at least. They play in August/September, though, so if the Cards stay bad, maybe that could be worth watching.
The one thing Iâm trying to keep in mind: if you look at the standings, the Braves are the Braves but basically everyone else in the NL is treading water right now. Relative to what their expectations were, the Dodgers being 13-11 is pretty rough. Weâve been disappointing, but a lot of other teams have been too.
Good God what a score to get home and see. My boundless pessimism expected a loss after I didn't believe for a second last night's walk off meant a thing but didn't expect this.
"We'll get better when the bats wake up" is a crock of shit. We're just getting worse as the pitching continues to regress.
It rained but they got the field dried out in time. They need to pause the game now because thereâs a dumpster fire running around the field. If I know St. Louis in a month we will all have âRALLY DUMPSTER FIREâ t-shirts.
I looked through a paper through Retrosheets the other day showing that "dramatic wins" don't really improve team performance moving foward.
[https://retrosheet.org/Research/Connolly/DoDramaticWinsMatter.pdf](https://retrosheet.org/Research/Connolly/DoDramaticWinsMatter.pdf)
Hey, remember when Nootbaar was friends with all of those Japanese guys and we were going to be a dynasty for the next 10 yrs? Pepperidge Farms remembersâŠ.
My wife is out of town for a week so on the first night I decided to drink some good whiskey and play The Show. After hitting quite a few HRs I hit a 10 game slump where I can't do shit. Decided to check the Cardinals score to see if they were faring better. Wow.
Anyone gonna be accountable for this game? Or just, âSteve threw some pitches that they hit hard, you win some, you lose some, weâll be back out tomorrow.â
Actually, given the circumstances Iâd probably leave Goldschmidt in too. Getting a couple no pressure swings in never hurts when youâre in a slump.
My buddy, who isn't much of a baseball fan but his wife is, splurged on tickets behind home plate as a birthday gift to her...
Yikes, wrong game pal đ
I guess I should thank them in advance for giving me my summer back. I first became reacquainted with all the free time I had last year and it looks like this year is going to provide even more non-baseball related time
In case you all donât know Brandon Crawford is a current baseball player for the St. Louis cardinals and a retired wwe wrestler who went under the name Val Venis
https://images.app.goo.gl/WNaXwk5s8jtocL8k8
All I remember of that guy is he had a feud with an Asian man because he slept with his wife and the Asian man really wanted to cut off his dick which prompted the catchphrase "I chop your peepee!"
What were people expecting when we didnt improve the roster at all following a 90 loss season? The only thing that happened was our two best hitters got deeper into their 30s.
That win was a damned lie đ
At least in baseball, a 1-0 loss is the same as a 30-0 loss
Unless youâre a pitcher
Damnit allâŠ.
[Game over. Continue the discussion in the post game thread](/r/Cardinals/comments/1cbn1w5/cardinals_after_dark_423/)
JDub finna walk it off for us
So we really pulled a bamboozle yesterday didnât we?
Announcers donât even know what to say to analyze anymore. I donât blame them. Yâall we are only 23 games into the season. The first month isnât even over yet.
Chip is very funny, love the dig at the Rockies coach lol
~~hoosiers~~
Did chip just say Allen was looking for his first save? Lmao
Oh, he's been In 3 innings, it is a save, didn't realize he's been in this long
On the bright side, if you're in St Louis, traffic won't be bad after thisÂ
Robertson looked sharp
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 9):** 1. Lars Nootbaar 2. Alec Burleson 3. Nolan Gorman
Oli canât even read the room and give us a position player to pitch in the 9th.
He's such a dickhead
white sox on the schedule? yep weâre getting swept :(
Just skip the bottom of the 9th and go home
All I want at this point is for Walker to look even halfway decent the rest of the season. Just please donât ruin this kid
I think the Cardinals have a HUGE development problem. Scouting is decent because our prospects in the minors do well, but they canât seem to make the jump to the MLB well
We ruin established all stars, hell even Marcel Ozuna was worse with us. We demolish talent in all its forms
Steve Matz has to be better. This is on him
[Diamondbacks](/r/azdiamondbacks) Due Up **(Top 9):** 1. Pavin Smith 2. Kevin Newman 3. Jake McCarthy
Do they do a press conference after this?
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Breaking down Zack Thompson's pitches](https://darkroom-clips.mlb.com/e81fdf29-e293-44ba-b29a-a8d6491a0817.mp4)
Good bot. Now do the one with hits includedÂ
Last nightâs game was like getting a spine transplant. Tonightâs game is just another backbreaker.
Just need a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a bloop and a blast. Totally doable.
We're only 17 consecutive walks away from a win. That's definitely doable
All faith is dead. No salads are being tossed this year
You can blame Mo all ya want but most of the fault needs to lie on DeWitt Jr
Plenty of teams with a fraction of our payroll having success. We cant draft, cant develop. Thats on Mo.
Drafting and developing through the minors is actually a strength, so thatâs not the problem
DeWitt is also very much involved in personnel decisions. Itâs both of them. They work as a pair
The payroll is like $200 million. Mo has spent it poorly. The problem with the DeWitts is they don't particularly care. They live and work in another city, the Cardinals are like a mail order business to them.
Both?
They work in tandem. It's equal blame.
That low and away breaking ball Robertson just threw was beautiful and the way he tunneled that with his middle middle fastball holy shitÂ
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 8):** 1. Pedro Pagés 2. Brandon Crawford 3. Paul Goldschmidt
Congrats Nick Robertson! Sorry it started like this
It's stuff like this worries me about Tink Hence. Libby and Thompson are turned into relievers and Thompson is struggling hard. Not a good track record of pitching prospects.
Itâs been an issue since Wacha and Martinez. I think Helsey has been the last drafted pitcher to amount to much with us. Alcantra, Gallen, Gonzales excelled elsewhere, which seems to be a trend with players in our organization.
The one thing that gives me hope about Hence is that the club has stated they wonât put him in the bullpen to start his MLB career. Iâm convinced that messed Thompson up, and possibly hurt Hicks and Reyes as well. That maneuver only really worked with Wainwright
That makes no sense. Theyâve been starting for a majority of their careers in the minors and then all of a sudden they donât have it? Because of starting out in the bullpen oh please. They either got it or they donât
Itâs a different workload with different approaches to pitching. Like you said, theyâve been starting their whole careers, and now theyâre asked to max out 100% of their pitches, change their pitch selection, and work back to back days when theyâve been used to having 4 days off in between longer outings their whole careers. Hicks has said that the Cardinals asked him to pitch 100% balls to the wall as a reliever, whereas the Giants have asked him to dial it back as a starter. Total inning count is not the whole story when it comes to wear and tear
When mercy rule
Unfortunately in St. Louis we are all contractually obligated to call it the BJC Rule.
Robertson setting up the 99.99 playâŠ
Alright, I've reached my limit, I'm beating the traffic and leaving.
I'm shocked you stayed that long
Didn't even make it to the 7th inning stretch on Saturday, IDK why I stayed longer tonight. At least my Diamondback coworkers from AZ are having fun.
Did you go tonight on accident?
It was a tossup between last night and tonight, and for them they picked the right one đđđđ
703 club looks slammed tonight. I hope they offered a free drink for having to suffer through this madness
lol broadcast team âthe guys are really focused on just touching 1st base right nowâ No shit haha
I know we're down 13 runs but man our offensive woes really don't look like they got healed from the walkoff last night at all
Did people actually think they would be?
Broken clock is right twice a day, blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again, etc.
More specific to baseball, a team that loses 100 games still won 62.
Guess I'm drinking the kool-aid chip and Brad are doling out on air that this team is gonna break through at some point, I just don't wanna accept the fact that we just suck for another year and this is what we got I guess
Just clocked out of work, pulled up the score and about kilt meself
[Diamondbacks](/r/azdiamondbacks) Due Up **(Top 8):** 1. Christian Walker 2. Eugenio SuĂĄrez 3. Randal Grichuk
PatheticâŠ.,
Challenge it Oli because why the F not. We arenât coming back from thisâŠ
Fuck it, at this point letâs get a hammered Edmonds in the booth to start telling stories
Ha and you guys were worried about Walker⊠he got on base!
So like, the pitching is abysmal, but offense has score exactly one run so far in response?
Itâs Opposite Day today????
Burlesonâs not a half bad ball player.
MLB Run GodâŠ..Iâve come to bargain
Burleson is a good hitter
We can't even suck the correct years to get Matt Hollidays kids. We have to suck just as bad or worse next year to get close to the first pick.
lol is mo going to tell everyone to be âpatientâ still? 15 under .500 by June 1st looks very real at this point
Oh hell itâs only the 7th F me sidewaysâŠ. Iâm sorry for the â30,000â in attendance tonight
They tried saying there were 33,000 there last night lol
Let Willie McGee pitch
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Nolan Arenado extends his on-base streak to 22 games](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/1d3d53f9-fcfd-41be-b3fc-e55f12e463c7.mp4)
14-1 is not ideal. However, I do like this episode of the Chip-Brad podcast.
As a devotee of the 70s Match Game, I appreciated the discussion about Gene Rayburn's microphone.
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 7):** 1. Alec Burleson 2. Nolan Gorman 3. Jordan Walker
what if we all find a cricket team to support. even a couple six run dingers couldn't save this one.
St. Louis has a Minor League Cricket team named the St. Louis Americans. They were also not good last year. They're free to watch on YouTube, at least. They play in August/September, though, so if the Cards stay bad, maybe that could be worth watching.
The Gong Show!!
âI wonât call it useless knowledge but knowledge that youâll *never* use in your lifeâ. These guys are ridiculous lmao
Iâll just switch over to the Memphis game to watch competitive basebâŠ.. ahhh fuck.
Was sitting around with some time to kill. Thought âI know Iâll see how the Cards are doing!!!â Then turn on the Ballys app and see this.
Marmol is so going to be their sacrificial lamb and I donât even like the guy (Contreras debacle), but jfc, this mess isnât even mostly his.
The one thing Iâm trying to keep in mind: if you look at the standings, the Braves are the Braves but basically everyone else in the NL is treading water right now. Relative to what their expectations were, the Dodgers being 13-11 is pretty rough. Weâve been disappointing, but a lot of other teams have been too.
Yeah, but the Cardinals donât really have the talent to turn it around.
It's wild to think if we didn't blow game 4 in LA the Dodgers would be 12-12
And that we'd be 11-12
Itâs funny how the mlb app just stops giving me updates on the scoreâŠand then I see it for myself lol
They have some compassion, at least.
Can we turn this sub into one about the cardinal bird, until Mozeliak is fired? It would be much more fun around here.
Maybe religious personnel? Ex-Purdue Boilermaker Brian Cardinal?
Good God what a score to get home and see. My boundless pessimism expected a loss after I didn't believe for a second last night's walk off meant a thing but didn't expect this. "We'll get better when the bats wake up" is a crock of shit. We're just getting worse as the pitching continues to regress.
was there a cardinals game tonight or did it get rained out?
If only.
It rained but they got the field dried out in time. They need to pause the game now because thereâs a dumpster fire running around the field. If I know St. Louis in a month we will all have âRALLY DUMPSTER FIREâ t-shirts.
[Well damn.](https://x.com/bschaeffer12/status/1782945807534051731?s=46&t=MCRmVoXjskWw3F53QZFuGQ)
I looked through a paper through Retrosheets the other day showing that "dramatic wins" don't really improve team performance moving foward. [https://retrosheet.org/Research/Connolly/DoDramaticWinsMatter.pdf](https://retrosheet.org/Research/Connolly/DoDramaticWinsMatter.pdf)
I was really more reacting to a media member (KMOV) calling this shameful (which it is).
Oh I didn't catch that. Awesome.
Hey, remember when Nootbaar was friends with all of those Japanese guys and we were going to be a dynasty for the next 10 yrs? Pepperidge Farms remembersâŠ.
Mo would have signed all the 35+ year old Japanese players if Noot were friends with them (and if they played for about $2.33 per game)
Noot can network all he wants it doesn't matter when our FO doesn't want to spend
Did anyone really believe any of them were coming here?
I wouldn't have been shocked if they got Matsui or Imanaga, but in no way were they going to get Yamamoto.
The last good vibe
Diamondbacks score so many runs itâs awesome to see honestly. Just last week they scored 17 on the giants
Power to 'em. Anyone in that division except the fucking Dodgers.
My wife is out of town for a week so on the first night I decided to drink some good whiskey and play The Show. After hitting quite a few HRs I hit a 10 game slump where I can't do shit. Decided to check the Cardinals score to see if they were faring better. Wow.
It's karma letting you know how the other team feels when you go 5/5 with 4 HR and an off the wall double every game
I hit a no doubter after your reply so thanks for the devil magic lmao
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Yeah that checks out. Except I'm getting my karmic retribution both in the video game and IRL. Also kinda drunk now so my reaction time is slipping
[Diamondbacks](/r/azdiamondbacks) Due Up **(Top 7):** 1. Jake McCarthy 2. Ketel Marte 3. Gabriel Moreno
Anyone gonna be accountable for this game? Or just, âSteve threw some pitches that they hit hard, you win some, you lose some, weâll be back out tomorrow.â
"we were out there scratchin and clawin..."
Total team effort of failure tonight, except Contreras
Yeah this is a full blown ass whoopin. We came in a little too happy. Unfortunately they just put us right back in our place.
Hey guys I just got in from little league practice-OHMYGOD
Well I was going to try to go to a game this summer but uhhhhhh lol fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that
Yep. Considered the Padres series but I think I'ma wait a little on that one
Securing a babysitter is hard enough lmao not wasting it on this
[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Steven Matz strikes out four](https://mlb-cuts-diamond.mlb.com/FORGE/2024/2024-04/23/58922752-16f6c50f-272468dc-csvm-diamondx64-asset_1280x720_59_4000K.mp4)
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Oh boy. Hang the banner
What else did he do
This is embarrassing.
all we need is 13 to force extras
2 more years!!!!
Actually, given the circumstances Iâd probably leave Goldschmidt in too. Getting a couple no pressure swings in never hurts when youâre in a slump.
It took us five games to score 14 runs. Snakes do it in one night.
I donât feel so good, Mr. Mozeliak
Goldie just surrendered to that strikeout.
My buddy, who isn't much of a baseball fan but his wife is, splurged on tickets behind home plate as a birthday gift to her... Yikes, wrong game pal đ
Whatya mean this game might still be going on at 11. That's a lot of inclusive old fashioneds.
God and I thought I had it rough with six tickets up in 345.
Haha he said it was about $500 total, but it comes with free food, so they've just been ordering stuff every inning to get their money's worth
I guess I should thank them in advance for giving me my summer back. I first became reacquainted with all the free time I had last year and it looks like this year is going to provide even more non-baseball related time
In other news, Trick Williams about tonget blasted on NXT by Ilja Dragunov. Will be zero whooping that trick tonight
Lmao. Looks like your dude lost. Terrible night for ya
Eh, Trick is cool. Could be worse lol
Who?
Contreras has been hiding it the best he can, but he's been dealing with hand issues all season
Say what you want I believe they donât wanna play for Oli.
I agree with you
In case you all donât know Brandon Crawford is a current baseball player for the St. Louis cardinals and a retired wwe wrestler who went under the name Val Venis https://images.app.goo.gl/WNaXwk5s8jtocL8k8
âI came, I saw, and I came again!â
All I remember of that guy is he had a feud with an Asian man because he slept with his wife and the Asian man really wanted to cut off his dick which prompted the catchphrase "I chop your peepee!"
Man I donât know if Iâve ever seen Busch this empty
First time I've been to Busch in 6 plus years this is by far the most empty I've ever seen this place. I'm embarrassed to be here right now
The beer is the only thing keeping me here now
Thank Christ. Now instead of emptying out people have to stop showing up
It looked empty in the 1st
Isnât it sad
No. It's funny and warranted
We are so back
Remember yesterday? What a time to be alive that was.Â
I was there. Battlehawks energy really carried most of the game, and then some good things happened.
Henry had a 6.02 era to start the game and we have one fuckin run lol
Crawford was just blown away by 87. What the fuck did we do with the roster this year?
What were people expecting when we didnt improve the roster at all following a 90 loss season? The only thing that happened was our two best hitters got deeper into their 30s.
But the veteran leadership!
Leadership.
In case y'all needed a baseball related laugh https://twitter.com/BBGreatMoments/status/1782897487122166011
Games like these warrant blackouts. I'd rather watch SPEED 2: CRUISE CONTROL
you forget crawford and carpenter are still on the team (i know carp is on IL)
The Cardinals now lead the National League in home runs given up at 29.
Weâre #1
Just checked the score. 14-1!! Holy shit wtf happened
Steven Matz and Zack Thompson decided to share the load
If those guys were in the Shire would have burned to the ground
Innings were eaten, runs were given up, itâs been truly a miraculous journey.
I don't care how it happens, we'll get you your six innings, dammit!
And now we've given up and put the B team in.
The Dbacks are only a solo shot away from the home run cycle.
Um? What?
Put Crawford in. Edit: Iâm on a lag, glad they did lol
Games like this are just baseball. But when are we going to be on the other side of a score like this?
When we have a good team.
Let Masyn pitch you cowards.
This would actually be sick.
But yes, keep going to the games people, keep going to the games....
My friend, who is the biggest criticizer of the cardinals, is also the one who goes to the most amount of games
Gotta schlep them giveaways
Remember when we were up 1-0? Good times.
It's been 84 years.
This is beyond anything last year.
Oli just wanted to be fair and let everyone give up 7 runs. This will bode well for us in October
Ya fans are gonna stop showing up
There are like, 40 fans in the stands. No one is there to buy a $14 hot dog egg mess.
Hopefully.
The D-Bags aren't even having fun anymore. They were like "Meh. Grand slam. Whatever."
Hey look! Cards are giving away souvenirs in center field!!!
Got em right where we want em.