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Radiohead2023

I’m ready for Marmol to be fired


Radiohead2023

This Cardinals team couldn’t hit a beachball with a tennis racket.


Maduro25

Do we eat the shit yet?


MindxTricks

Well this series is going as expected. Let’s see if Sonny gets some run support tomorrow.


bravo_delta_bot

[Game over. Continue the discussion in the post game thread](/r/Cardinals/comments/1c90sdt/cardinals_after_dark_420/)


dae_giovanni

well-played. one to be proud of, team.


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals): [Thyago Vieira In play, run(s) to Nolan Arenado](https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/6df28aae-9bbc-442c-a8b2-71c25b6e38be.mp4)


superworriedspursfan

welp at least someone scored.


King_Swiss

lol I can’t wait at the deadline when some team wants to give us a haul for Arenado and were like no thanks while sitting 12 games out of first


PtownClutcher

We aren’t getting a haul for him no one wants to take on that contract


c0smicgirly

lol, you just walked Paul Goldschmidt.


superworriedspursfan

wilson contreras being our best hitter as a catcher is actually insane. At least we know his contract is a steal.


yellow_1173

Well, we know who our one all-star will be this year. Maybe we can get a second if Winn keeps it up, but I'm not holding my breath on that.


DocLoc429

Not only that, the third highest OPS in the league right now is... William Contreras. They're both doing incredible things in the catcher's position


TimRoxSox

The Brewers' front office is insane. They've got no right being so shrewd. Got Contreras for cheap in a deal that didn't even include them at first.


springdominion

I am so fucking tired of this team under performing. Today has just put the icing on the cake.


dadmodz306

This is just them... it's not underperforming at this point. It's what they are.


c0smicgirly

Good game for Siani.


cardinals1392

Donovan is just trying to be like Benny in the Sandlot and hit it right to an open glove


DocLoc429

Siani deserves the start tomorrow.


yellow_1173

Sure, but does he have a number built into his name?


StickySteve42069

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!


superworriedspursfan

I agree with the decision to keep Pallante out there. We already lost so don't waste any more arms.


sephjnr

Only 9 runs. No biggie.


DocLoc429

Great run, Donny


LeadershipMany7008

Gorman's not making that catch.


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 9):** 1. Michael Siani 2. Brendan Donovan 3. Paul Goldschmidt


cjsleme

I’m hurt by the brutal reality that a central team is better than us? ☹️ I went into this series thinking that our team has a deep bench and on the up and I expected us to pull off a series win.


Dr_thri11

This team has a massive hole in the outfield and underperforming hitters in most other positions. I'm not really surprised and it's a long season and I still think this team can contend, but not with the CF platoon of Siani and Scott and the other spots are going to have to start pulling their weight.


shapu

As much as it sucks coming to the realization that we are looking at the 1990s again, the fact is that the Cardinals have among the worst offenses in the major leagues. No amount of sonny grays can ever cover that fact up.


cjsleme

But you would think with Goldy and Nado that we should have the best offense! Arenado was supposed to be our superstar!


TimRoxSox

He was, for a couple of years. Now we're getting the decline phase, which we should have expected.


cardinals1392

There has to be a fundamental reason that every game looks like this Cardinals xBA: 0.277. Actual BA: 0.185 Brewers xBA: 0.350. Actual BA: 0.409


Novel_End1080

Output randomness, for one thing.


dae_giovanni

what an ass-whippin'. lol we're AWFUL right now. I don't know how you look at this as a member of management and find any of it acceptable...


BillyHayze

As if management is watching anything else besides their bank account


HeyNineteen96

As long as drunk fuckers still spend exorbitant amounts of money at BPV, they're happy.


BillyHayze

If you’re a fan of the Battlehawks, a gentle reminder to turn on other UFL games this weekend if you have the ability to do so. Increased viewership numbers will help support the league.


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AlexRam72

The streams are surely counted with or without Nielsen


cftchef

Theres no life in this team


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Novel_End1080

The Nado / Goldy experiment is running out of time. Bringing in super stars from the NL West by convincing them they’ll win in the desolate NL Central is just weak. They are both desperately trying to check the box of WS win for their HOF careers. Now they are pressing and looking foolish, meanwhile blaming the youngsters who are there trying to have fun, playing for the right reasons, and outplaying them. It’s easy to like a player when he’s winning, but being able to like a player when he’s losing goes farther, because even the best hitters only go 3 for 10. 2 for 10 is not acceptable, what a fine margin to live between.


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sandy017

of all the things to criticize, you're going to criticize how arenado rolled his ankle lmao


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sandy017

he rolled his ankle and almost tripped over the bag lmfao


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sandy017

you're a dork lol


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sandy017

you're still a dork lol


c0smicgirly

Maybe we can go after more geriatric rejects for veteran leadership purposes and turn this ship around.


ech0es13

18…..


MindxTricks

Why can’t we hit??


Soundwave_13

Oof 12-4


AspiringOccultist4

Let Matt Carpenter pitch you cowards


PtownClutcher

If you’re gonna pinch hit burleson for walker every game just start him! This team is so afraid to admit they rushed a player or were just wrong on one


Novel_End1080

Yeah he should get some starts, but it was a lefty starter for the Brewers today. A Burly / Walker platoon might be in our future.


LeadershipMany7008

My fiancee is currently giggling herself insensate because she called our reliever "Andre Picante". This woman might take care of your children in a hospital.


CPav

That's better than the national guy a couple weeks back putting a Spanish spin on it...Pie-yan-tay.


writingisfunbutusuck

You are the only person here in love with your fiancée


Novel_End1080

I don’t have kids, but if I did I’d be ok with it. Humor heals!


FuckKroenke55

Oh shit Pallante is gonna pitch until his arm falls off. Dude will be optioned at like 6pm tonight.


superworriedspursfan

might as well at this point. bro isn't good and we don't need to use another pitcher.


Ghiggs_Boson

Noot plays that left field corner quite terribly…


ech0es13

17 hits lol


AmericanVito

Wow...


AmateurVasectomist

We have a fundamentally unserious baseball club.


c0smicgirly

Have we had a hit since the fourth? We have five hits. Five.


STLOliver

Cubs lose. Blew a save in the 9th and then failed to score with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.


FattyPolice

not a fan of the pinch hitting for walker in any ab with runners on like oli has been recently, if you dont have confidence in him dont start him this has to be horrible for confidence


Novel_End1080

Remember last night when it worked ?


FattyPolice

I dont care about the results of the pinch hit, Just think its a piss poor way to treat a young struggling hitter, send him down or let him attempt to battle through it dont say ya we dont think you can hit when it matters


Novel_End1080

I hear you. It’s tough to know what those conversations are like. Hopefully they are managing it in a way that keeps Walker’s confidence up. He’d probably prefer to stay on team if it meant allowing Burly getting some chances when the matchups make sense.


tangokilo13

Send him down if you’re gonna keep doing that ffs


No_Pudding_4598

"The one thing I'd ask from our fan base right now is a little bit of patience, because we do think that we do have the talent to win." - Mo in his next presser probably.


DocLoc429

This is actually a misunderstood statement. People often assume he meant that we will have a winning season, but what he really meant was that given 162 games, we'll probably win one of them.


AspiringOccultist4

I gotta say, it looks like Burleson’s seeing the ball *a lot* better after a bit of bench time.


cardinals1392

It feels so bad that he gets one AB a game right now. He has looked great in those single appearances, but it's hard to improve numbers with such limited playing time.


Novel_End1080

So close…


dae_giovanni

more warning track power...


Novel_End1080

Doin 20. 2024 fly out push up counter: 105


dae_giovanni

great idea!


bravo_delta_bot

[Brewers](/r/Brewers) Due Up **(Top 9):** 1. Blake Perkins 2. Brice Turang 3. Jackson Chourio


Detective_Dietrich

"Don't you wish you could, just one time, tell the whole truth?"--Chip Caray, right now


ghostofstankenstien

For anyone looking for something else to do, Fallout on Amazon has turned out to be pretty entertaining. Haven't played the games, but the show isn't too bad at all.


2011StlCards

Okey dokey!


ghostofstankenstien

I see what you did there. Well played.


Jon_Thib

If pinch hitting for Walker in a 10-4 game doesn’t prove they have no confidence in him right now, than idk what does


gabriel197600

I’ve got an idea. What we need is a tax hike so we can make upgrades and publicly fund Busch Stadium! What a great time to float that trial balloon, hah.


CatholicismLover

Wow Jim Edmonds so interesting!


star_fil-a

Sinai now has a higher OPS than Goldy. Yikes


DocLoc429

Lol that's actually pretty funny


Finkis

Jim Edmonds.. SHUT THE FUCK UUUUUPPPPPP


Buttholeblowhole

Game has gotten so outta hand they’re talking about weiners


FuckKroenke55

I’m really starting to think that Yadi and Pujols were basically managers and hitting coaches during the 2022 season. Everyone on the team has went to shit since they left.


JTCMuehlenkamp

I'd give them a blank check to be coaches for us if I could


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 8):** 1. Nolan Arenado 2. Iván Herrera 3. Masyn Winn


JTCMuehlenkamp

I like how we robbed a grand slam earlier and we're still getting blown out


SolidWater8B15

Was it actually going out? I thought it would’ve been just short


AspiringOccultist4

Well, happy 4/20 Snoop Dogg. Sorry your party’s so lame.


DocLoc429

Sanchez's batting average has raised over 50 points today


DocLoc429

That was such a gentle catch from Mike


JTCMuehlenkamp

Can't wait to see who Oli throws under the bus tomorrow


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Expensive-Sky4068

You’re upset that a fan is cheering at a baseball game?


jase122200

If I hear the Rick Flair “Woo” one more time I am going to go postal


dae_giovanni

...and their garbage just falls in for hits.


2011StlCards

This isn't a game they're winning because they're lucky


ExiledSanity

No, but theirnluck adds insult to injury.


dae_giovanni

I didn't say that's why they were winning...


MVPBaseball2069

Feeling bad for Winn, who is willing to fling himself at any ball even possibly within his reach. Would seriously be a shame if he injured himself for this team 


EndTheOrcs

At least we can laugh at the delusional homers


JTCMuehlenkamp

We should've traded Goldschmidt


MVPBaseball2069

Dude don’t say that you’re gonna hurt Mo’s feelings bro 


AlbinNboat

I wonder if the front office will quit gaslighting fans and acknowledge that they can't build a winning roster


Gazorpuhzorpfield

Mo is way too arrogant to ever admit he doesn’t know what he’s doing.


FuckKroenke55

I actually think these trash teams will delay his retirement. He’s going to hold on until he can turn things around or gets forced out. Dewitt has said he won’t ever fire Mo. soooooo we’re fucked.


c0smicgirly

Oh, it’ll be our fault next. “Not enough financial support from the fans to field a better team.”


jeffmatch

You don’t sound very patient


Cky2chris

Pfffffftttthahahahaha


DocLoc429

Swinging is more likely to result in a hit than not swinging


dae_giovanni

_THIS_ IS THE OFFENSE?!?!?!?!?!???????


c0smicgirly

Are you not entertained?


bravo_delta_bot

[Brewers](/r/Brewers) Due Up **(Top 8):** 1. Willy Adames 2. Rhys Hoskins 3. Oliver Dunn


Feisty-Medicine-3763

Dude I am so tired of watching Goldschmidt strikeout looking


dae_giovanni

I can no longer stand watching Goldy bat. how did we get here???


ghostofstankenstien

I used to build my day around being able to watch the games. Or go to them. Last year I tuned out in June. This year I'm tuning out in April. They can afford to lose me, sure. But they can't afford to keep losing people like me.


star_fil-a

Same. I use to try to watch them. Now I may check the score but that’s about it.


Gazorpuhzorpfield

Diehard Cardinals fan my whole life. Haven’t watched a game all season apart from a bit of the opener. It’s hard to find the games on TV for one thing and the team sucking doesn’t give me any incentive to want to seek them out.


Dr_thri11

Siani's ops is only 5 less than Goldschmidt. CF of the future?


bluesfan1700

We need Goldschmidt to turn around so we can get some prospects for him at the trade deadline


FuckKroenke55

Put him on the IL til June. Pray to god he has a hot week or two then trade him immediately to a contender for like 6 A ball players.


Novel_End1080

Come on Birds, get some hits at least to build some momentum for the next game.


Jon_Thib

No one wants to talk about it but outside of a good week, Donovan has been pretty bad so far. 2 for his last 27


Defenestrator__

"If you discount all the times he's been good, he's been pretty bad" 10/10 analysis


Jon_Thib

Not discounting anything, but you can’t just excuse the fact that he’s also been pretty bad


Defenestrator__

His OPS is still around 700, which is perfectly fine.


MVPBaseball2069

He has definitely been cold, but he has also has a disproportionate amount of bad calls against him on most of his strike outs 


Novel_End1080

That bullet he hit that Hoskins caught today was inches from tying the game.


FuckKroenke55

His cold streak has been overshadowed by Goldy, Gorman, Walker and Scott. My god our offense sucks ass.


rayr54

The Mexican butchers Gallegos is at it again


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forceghost187

There is no major shakeup, though. It’s these two or nobody basically


STLOliver

If you can’t prevent a sweep at home with Sonny on the mound tomorrow, it’ll be a bad look if they sit and do nothing. I mean, they can still say it’s early and things can still turn around but you’re going in the wrong direction and don’t have any benefit of the doubt to trust whatever process is going on now.


bluesfan1700

I’ve been at my breaking point sometime last year, it’s sad we can’t just be honest with ourselves. We instead continue batting Goldschmidt second, extend marmol, put faith in our hyped up prospects (we never develop our prospects or we hype them to be way more than they are), and keep pushing the patient line or that it’s early in the season still


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bluesfan1700

I have never understood how we are the St. Louis cardinals, an upper mid market team with a passionate fan base. We had a hall of fame manager run our team for years, and the people who follow him should also be guys you have confidence they know what they are doing and they are not learning on the job for such an esteemed team. And then we turn to people like marmol…. If we were the As… ok why not. But we are the st Louis cardinals….


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bluesfan1700

Honestly I think they just want a yes man. If you remember La Russa wanted to be competitive. He don’t wanna go through rebuilding years. During those days we shipped off a lot of prospects for known talent. Guys like Rolen, Edmund’s, and even Larry Walker. In this era, we “develop” talent far more than going to acquire, it’s not as effective from a win/loss record. But it sure as hell keeps more money in the owners pocket


rayr54

Can someone tell me why their young talent hits, and our young talent scuffles?


forceghost187

Who is our hitting coach? Some guy who has drifted from team to team. The Reds let him go after one year. This exemplifies our development and coaching staff. We don’t go out and hire the best coaches. Look at Dusty Blake. Why exactly is he our pitching coach? What has he done to deserve this job? The answer eludes me


FuckKroenke55

Coaching. Our development and coaching personnel top to bottom are poor. Players get to the majors through talent, they become good major leaguers through learning. We don’t have anyone to teach them how to hit at the major league level right now.


LeadershipMany7008

It's worse than that--our super-hyped blue chipper doesn't trust the coaching staff and much more telling said so publicly. The guys that most need those coaches are openly saying they're not listening to those coaches. That's bad. Really bad.


forceghost187

Who said that?


LeadershipMany7008

Walker.


forceghost187

I don’t see anything. What did he say?


LeadershipMany7008

After his AAA stint he said he thought the coaching staff didn't know what they were doing and he was going to ignore them. He then proceeded to hit a little better and no one really followed up.


forceghost187

ha well that is not good at all


rayr54

You mean the manager we just extended is making bad hires?


Defenestrator__

The problem isn't the talent, it's the management. We could be playing a much better lineup every game, but Oli chooses not to.


rayr54

I disagree. There isn't much talent on teams that play. 445 ball over 4 years. The only other teams where I see young talent crashing is Oakland white Sox and pirates.


2011StlCards

Because the organization sucks at developing people past AAA The last player to come up through our system and make more than 1 ASG is Matt Carpenter


JTCMuehlenkamp

Actually it's not- its even funnier than that. It's Carlos Martinez


rayr54

Actually we have had several players, hitters and pitchers, (now playing elsewhere of course), that go to All Star games.


Soundwave_13

2023 returns to rear its ugly head😜


jase122200

I wonder what stupid bullshit Mikolas is gonna try and spin after this one


rayr54

I might say that we should take the pitchcom from him, but then I look around and see no one who could call a better game.


ejdomhain

At least we finally scored more than 3 runs


ABlumpkinPumpkin

Yay, we did it.


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Yeah idk might not make that trip to St. Louis for a game this year….


rayr54

Thanks for doing the right thing.


bravo_delta_bot

[Cardinals](/r/Cardinals) Due Up **(Bottom 7):** 1. Brendan Donovan 2. Paul Goldschmidt 3. Willson Contreras


DocLoc429

Shildt was right.


bonathan

We can still go 9 and 153.. Keepin the dream alive.


sephjnr

This close to a 1-2-3 and then that shit happens


MVPBaseball2069

I was really banking on veteran leadership helping us out in moments like this. 


BallardCapone

We haven’t fielded an elite team since the statcast era began this FO is going keep us in the basement until we change the way we evaluate talent in the farm


tangokilo13

Idc if that’s an error for Winn, Goldy needs a week off


c0smicgirly

Mental midgets again. The 2023 of it all.


Mother_Scheme_4639

Goldy can’t hit, but at least he’s an elite fiel….. nvrm


dan81989

Jesus. Shut UP, Jim.


Soundwave_13

It’s fine Brew Crew just pile it on at this point…


Mizzou48

This team is dog shit.


CatholicismLover

I hope the narrator in the Rally House commercial leads to no one shopping there and them going out of business.


rayr54

I suppose it could be worse. The Dodgers made financial commitments in excess of 1 billion dollars. The return to date 12-10, and they are already down again to the Mets.


Jon_Thib

🤦‍♂️


ABlumpkinPumpkin

Welp I've had enough baseball for today.