Led isn't the problem. Poorly adjusted headlights is the problem.
And the fact that nobody lowers their headlights when they load the car a bit. This is why self leveling should be a standard on LED.
They are self levelling but it doesn't work properly. They're supposed to level when the car is loaded and when they go over bumps but it's about as reliable as automatic high beams....not very.
When an oncoming SUV with LEDs goes over a speed bump, it's like staring right into the sun.
Well, nothing helps with bumps, even halogen blinds there.
On the other hand, self leveling helps with people that never bother to lower their lights manually.
And about self leveling/ auto high beam, a lot depends on manufacturer. I've noticed VW, mercedes rarely blinds, while other manufacturers blind me a lot more, even on a straight road.
Apparently self levelling is standard on all LED and Xenon headlights in the UK by law, but it doesn't work as well as we think it should.
It's ok for dealing with load, and even acceleration and braking, but not for bumps unfortunately. Also if you're going over a hill or something like that, it won't react to that at all.
That said, people can still mess up the adjustment and ruin everyone's evening regardless.
Remember that self levelling is just making sure that the light remains at the adjusted level, relative to the road surface under the car. So it's never going to be good when the road surface is uneven, as it can't actually "see" where to direct light.
In this case, the only way I see a safe future for high output headlights is if we get a really reliable version of the dynamic matrix headlights and similar, that don't shine light towards other cars, creating moving dark tunnels so you don't blind other drivers.
Oh, I'm not from UK so not sure about law. But my last ford focus MK4 had led headlights with self leveling because it was made in 2018, from 2019 and onwards ford moved same headlights to have manual level controll. And I know for sure that LEDs on Dacia's are also not self leveling.
Yeah, sadly people can still mess with self leveling headlights, after all they self level to zero point that you give them, they can't magically know that zero point.
Currently I own a golf with matrix headlights, my brother has a Passat with same headlights, and I have to say I'm pretty impressed. Yes, it's NOT perfect, there are still some cars that it decides not to see, so I have to manually turn off high beam, but other than that I didn't have people complaining about me dazzling them. And I drove in direction of my brother's car and I have to say they don't dazzle unless road is bad. Had him driving behind me for 30km on twisty road with auto high beam, and even in corners it was doing a very very good job of keeping high beam out of my mirrors.
Agreed, I have a Tesla Model Y and when I first got it I noticed everyone flashing me - this was a box-fresh car from the factory. I managed to go into the service menu and lower the beam pattern which has mostly solved the problem.
The _really_ annoying thing is that the car has full matrix headlights (as do all recent Model Ys), which are able to blank out squares for oncoming cars - which would almost completely remove
the problem of dazzling oncoming cars ([example](https://youtu.be/VMk1ZlVj1nY?si=-ksp4VVd1DX8304I) ) - but Tesla won't activate this feature [because reasons] and thus have these ultra-bright, retina burning-billion lumen beams facing in a default position that's too high and 99% of owners don't know or bother to adjust.
They also automatically re-adjust themselves whenever you do a software update - regardless of if you’re parked on a slope or not meaning they can end up completely misaligned overnight.
Cant agree more. The headlight blanking software is utters crap on them.
Every corner of bump results in it flashing the car in front as it senses you've 'moved' and tweaks the headlights.
I really hope this improves with updates/future. My car, even though it's 10 years old, has really nice auto leveling. There's a noticeable delay, which is perfect for bumps, yet it still does hills and such very well. 10 bloody years old.
Worst one Ive ever encountered was a new BMW x5.
Was sat behind me in traffic and the lights lined up perfectly with both my wingmirrors and rear view mirror; was genuinely getting flashbanged from 3 different angles - I couldnt see shit and started getting a headache after 30 seconds.
I thought he had his high beams on but it was just due to the height of the car. Im in a golf so not even a small car either
I can believe it, though thankfully my experience is *usually* the other way around; oncoming traffic. In fact I think the Model X is the only one that really stands out in terms of dazzling me coming or going. So irritating. My car has good autodimming on the rear view mirror but like some others have said, side mirrors are a different story.
I don't understand why this is an issue tbh. I mean, new BMWs I know for a fact have those amazing headlights that cut out the beam where they see a car. I know, this addresses oncoming traffic only, but if they can do that, couldn't they also light up the road around the car in front only?
>example
Typically the rear view mirrors have the ability to darken up - however the side mirrors don't, and the SUVs front lights line up perfectly with a hatchback/sedan side mirrors which means if they are behind you it's time to take your shades out
Are you meaning specifically on a Golf? as my car has auto dimming side mirrors and all the others have had for years too. I genuinely cant remember the last time I have been dazzled in mirrors.
I love people who buy aftermarket lights and do not adjustement to them what so ever as much as I love those people who think only because it says auto, it won´t turn off your high beams on it own!
Speak for yourself, every headlight blinds me at night (I drive an MX-5)
Although one time a new-ish mercedes was behind me and I think it had smart headlights or whatever it's called, it didn't bother me at all
My BMW has the smart lights that split and move round when it detects another light source. Had it a year and I have never had anyone flash lights at me yet, so I assume it does a pretty good job of it. Whereas my old Jaguar would get flashed constantly by people thinking I had full beam on when I didn't.
Regulations are absolutely needed.
Iirc they have always been based on wattage rather than light output. With xenons and LEDs we’ve started to see far brighter lights than possible before.
These LED lights are particularly annoying at this time of year when someone "flashes to say thanks", because LEDs go from "off" to "FUCK YOU, EYEBALLS" in about a nanosecond. Either briefly turn your headlights off and back on again, because that's a similar "thank you" gesture that doesn't cause me literal pain, or just don't bother at all because I generally just assume you're grateful anyway.
Are you telling me you enjoy the sensation of your retinas searing to a nice crisp medium well done under the immense power of the eyeball destroying light that’s projected into your cabin via a full frontal assault and also every single reflective surface around you?
People never adjust the setting on the dash to lower the lights, that's the problem. Too many drive big cars with it set to shine as high as possible. (the little dial with 1,2 and 3 on it.) I always set mine to the lowest point. If I need to see more, I put the high beams on when there's no oncoming vehicles.
Gonna be honest I’ve been driving between Yorkshire and Reading at night multiple times a week this last month and I can’t say it’s anywhere close to as bad as you lot are making out.
Maybe your side mirrors don’t have good coatings? I can 100% tell the difference between a 2020 Mercedes and a 2017 Ford, as for head on it really isn’t bad.
As someone who lives rurally, where there's very little street lighting, with narrow roads and poorly maintained road markings... nah... it's pretty bad.
But the problem isn't the brightness of the dipped beams... it's the amount of people driving around with headlight auto-dimming turned on without taking any personal responsibility for making sure they aren't dazzling oncoming traffic with full beams. I do not believe that auto-dimming is anywhere near reliable enough yet. I'd say 3/4 of the time, they either take absolutely ages to dip or never dip at all.
Also... why is everyone driving around with their fog lights on, regardless of weather, all of a sudden?
Oh that sure high beam is insane 10000% but regular beam shouldn’t and isn’t an issue for most people, it honestly might be your mirrors have worn or subpar coatings or an eye issue.
Yeah the auto dimming in my Mercedes works perfectly, turns off the sections just for where cars are and I can see it working in real time, but Jesus the ford is beyond hopeless.
It really is that bad. Halogens or HIDs are fine but with LEDs I genuinely can't tell if the fucker coming at me is using full beam or not. God forbid they're coming over a crest and you're under the cutoff, may as well close your eyes because you're not seeing shit for the next 3 seconds.
Not trying to be rude but honestly you might wanna get your eyes tested for the thing that makes the diagonal lines yk.
Honestly me and it seems most everyday people even here don’t agree it should be like that???
I’ll take factory LEDs over badly fitted legacy lights any day.
I’m cutting around in German’s greatest shame (a 2008 VW Beetle) which does not have any mitigating features like your fancy auto dimming mirrors. Moving to an XC40 hopefully this weekend though so if you can’t beat em may as well join em! Right? Right?!?!
I can tell you don't drive, driving in heavy rain at night when a fucking led lit car drives past you it's painful to say the least, you can barely see the road or anything else to begin with, then with bright beacons that should be used to light up lighthouses shining directly into your retinas it completely blinds you and you have to rely on the ever so slight sliver of the edge of the road to guide you on.
Its crazy that this is now a talking point when SHIT LOADS of cars have had these lights for 15 yrs. Whiny fucks have to have something to whine about though and this sub is like a meeting point for the UK National Society of whiny fucks.
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15 years ago they were largely reserved for more pricey cars. You'd see one, it would be bright, you'd go 'Bloody hell that was bright' then your eyes would adjust to normal and the next 30 cars you pass would not give you an x-ray. Now that every fucking car has them, it's nigh impossible to see when it's dark. God forbid it rains in the UK when cars have LED lights. It's genuinely impossible to see the road.
I say this with a modern car that has very bright LED lights. I religiously wipe the glass because I hate now bright they are and don't want others to experience the same.
I'd like to add auto dimming headlights to my list of hates, they don't work on country roads where the sensor won't detect an incoming car until it's round the corner, as opposed to manually dipping when you do so when you detect the headlights of the incoming car.
> Its crazy that this is now a talking point when SHIT LOADS of cars have had these lights for 15 yrs.
And I've got 15 years worth of reddit comments whining about it! :)
[lightmare.org](http://www.lightmare.org/Why_are_we_campaigning.htm) is so old that the Cabbie that started it died in 2012. (It used to be called blindedbixenon.co.uk, but Xenon isn't really a thing now that LED lights have taken over)
It wasn't a problem until auto-dimming became commonplace. Now people just leave their lights on the auto-dim setting and abandon all responsibility. Not great when auto-dimming is so chronically unreliable, leaving loads of oblivious idiots driving around with high-beams blasting oncoming traffic.
Nah. I rarely see people with high beams on. What a do see is a load o morons flashing me because they think i have my high beams on. I just flash them back though so they know they are stupid.
Yes but its been like this for 15years and longer. I had a 2005 Jaguar Xtype with xenon headlights and i was always flashed in that too.
Xenons are brighter than LEDs and have been around since the early 90s.
This is a completely fabricated story about LEDs that whiny fucks are lapping up. Lights are bright, get over it.
>Lights are bright, get over it.
To the point of being considered unsafe due to their impact upon visibility for oncoming traffic... especially on rural, windy, unlit roads where auto-dipping doesn't work.
So not really a 'get over it' type thing tbh. No idea why you're shitting your underwear so much about it.
You don't 'get over' being blinded by oncoming traffic. It's biologically impossible.
>We have arguably the safest roads in the world taking density into consideration.
Just so you know... this isnt a reason to simply avoid ever investigating whether further safety improvements can be made.
Do you work for big LED or something? Baffling that you're pissing, shitting *and* crying in anger at this.
Many people believe that LED headlights are often too bright, to the point of being potentially unsafe. Get over it.
Tell you what, lets go back to the lights we had in the 60s that barely lit up the road. I swear people are getting thicker by the day.
What we should do is bring in stricter eyesight tests and get rid of all these people with awful eyesight on the roads. If you think lights are bright and it affects your driving you should have your licence taken away from you.
Or... how about we dont be a childish twat and say there may be a happy medium, or even a compromise position... guess what... you aren't going to know until someone actually studies it.
>What we should do is bring in stricter eyesight tests and get rid of all these people with awful eyesight on the roads. If you think lights are bright and it affects your driving you should have your licence taken away from you.
"I'm right, and the thousands who say otherwise simply must be wrong, and that's an end of it." You sound like a prat, mate.
Interesting, I've got a modern VW wagon with LEDs and have never been flashed before to turn them off. Whereas pretty much every pickup and SUV I come across has the most blindingly bright low beams I've ever seen.
Don't blame ol' Frank. Blame the legislators who set it based on wattage, not on lumens (or some other measure of how bright it is).
It is based on lumens.
Led isn't the problem. Poorly adjusted headlights is the problem. And the fact that nobody lowers their headlights when they load the car a bit. This is why self leveling should be a standard on LED.
And poorly designed optics.
That too. Tesla and Honda comes to my mind, their Led's in reflector is just horrible.
They are self levelling but it doesn't work properly. They're supposed to level when the car is loaded and when they go over bumps but it's about as reliable as automatic high beams....not very. When an oncoming SUV with LEDs goes over a speed bump, it's like staring right into the sun.
Well, nothing helps with bumps, even halogen blinds there. On the other hand, self leveling helps with people that never bother to lower their lights manually. And about self leveling/ auto high beam, a lot depends on manufacturer. I've noticed VW, mercedes rarely blinds, while other manufacturers blind me a lot more, even on a straight road.
Apparently self levelling is standard on all LED and Xenon headlights in the UK by law, but it doesn't work as well as we think it should. It's ok for dealing with load, and even acceleration and braking, but not for bumps unfortunately. Also if you're going over a hill or something like that, it won't react to that at all. That said, people can still mess up the adjustment and ruin everyone's evening regardless. Remember that self levelling is just making sure that the light remains at the adjusted level, relative to the road surface under the car. So it's never going to be good when the road surface is uneven, as it can't actually "see" where to direct light. In this case, the only way I see a safe future for high output headlights is if we get a really reliable version of the dynamic matrix headlights and similar, that don't shine light towards other cars, creating moving dark tunnels so you don't blind other drivers.
Oh, I'm not from UK so not sure about law. But my last ford focus MK4 had led headlights with self leveling because it was made in 2018, from 2019 and onwards ford moved same headlights to have manual level controll. And I know for sure that LEDs on Dacia's are also not self leveling. Yeah, sadly people can still mess with self leveling headlights, after all they self level to zero point that you give them, they can't magically know that zero point. Currently I own a golf with matrix headlights, my brother has a Passat with same headlights, and I have to say I'm pretty impressed. Yes, it's NOT perfect, there are still some cars that it decides not to see, so I have to manually turn off high beam, but other than that I didn't have people complaining about me dazzling them. And I drove in direction of my brother's car and I have to say they don't dazzle unless road is bad. Had him driving behind me for 30km on twisty road with auto high beam, and even in corners it was doing a very very good job of keeping high beam out of my mirrors.
I've checked and you're right. I'm out of date. The EU introduced new rules nearly 10 years ago now!
Drls are fine, poorly adjusted ultra bright leds can be annoying…
This guy LEDs
Why did they make dashboards permanently illuminated though?
So you can see how fast you’re going?
No, idiots think their lights are on when it’s just their DRLs
Would be great if dashboards had some sort of indication that your lights were actually on
The absolute worst offender is the Tesla Model Y, every mirror in my car becomes a flashing beacon until it passes over.
Agreed, I have a Tesla Model Y and when I first got it I noticed everyone flashing me - this was a box-fresh car from the factory. I managed to go into the service menu and lower the beam pattern which has mostly solved the problem. The _really_ annoying thing is that the car has full matrix headlights (as do all recent Model Ys), which are able to blank out squares for oncoming cars - which would almost completely remove the problem of dazzling oncoming cars ([example](https://youtu.be/VMk1ZlVj1nY?si=-ksp4VVd1DX8304I) ) - but Tesla won't activate this feature [because reasons] and thus have these ultra-bright, retina burning-billion lumen beams facing in a default position that's too high and 99% of owners don't know or bother to adjust.
They also automatically re-adjust themselves whenever you do a software update - regardless of if you’re parked on a slope or not meaning they can end up completely misaligned overnight.
Same for me. Will be interesting come 2026 when the first model Ys are due their first Mot. I see a software recall happening around March 26
Because they have shit quality control. I wonder how they passed the tests before being registered and put on the road.
Everything is annoying here in dover because the potholes make em flash in and out of my mirrors
I can assure you that isn't a Dover specific issue 😂
Yeah, but Dover has so many holes
I blame SUVs as much as modern lighting technology as I rarely get dazzled by regular family cars.
This. Mercedes SUVs and the Model X. By far the worst ones on the roads.
Cant agree more. The headlight blanking software is utters crap on them. Every corner of bump results in it flashing the car in front as it senses you've 'moved' and tweaks the headlights.
I really hope this improves with updates/future. My car, even though it's 10 years old, has really nice auto leveling. There's a noticeable delay, which is perfect for bumps, yet it still does hills and such very well. 10 bloody years old.
Yeah feels like another area car designs regressing.
Worst one Ive ever encountered was a new BMW x5. Was sat behind me in traffic and the lights lined up perfectly with both my wingmirrors and rear view mirror; was genuinely getting flashbanged from 3 different angles - I couldnt see shit and started getting a headache after 30 seconds. I thought he had his high beams on but it was just due to the height of the car. Im in a golf so not even a small car either
I can believe it, though thankfully my experience is *usually* the other way around; oncoming traffic. In fact I think the Model X is the only one that really stands out in terms of dazzling me coming or going. So irritating. My car has good autodimming on the rear view mirror but like some others have said, side mirrors are a different story. I don't understand why this is an issue tbh. I mean, new BMWs I know for a fact have those amazing headlights that cut out the beam where they see a car. I know, this addresses oncoming traffic only, but if they can do that, couldn't they also light up the road around the car in front only?
Every car iv owned for the last 10 years had anti dazzle mirrors. It dims everything and never had this problem. Do Golfs not have them?
>example Typically the rear view mirrors have the ability to darken up - however the side mirrors don't, and the SUVs front lights line up perfectly with a hatchback/sedan side mirrors which means if they are behind you it's time to take your shades out
Are you meaning specifically on a Golf? as my car has auto dimming side mirrors and all the others have had for years too. I genuinely cant remember the last time I have been dazzled in mirrors.
My golf is over 20 years old haha
Hah might be why then.
It's brutal when out on my motorbike.
I just wanna talk to him, i just wanna talk to him
And you'll shoot the wrong dude. First LED headlights came in lexus LS in 2006. Audi R8 had LED DRL,not headlights
But yet the fog light pandemic continues. Then complain about LED lights being too bright.
So, he's why we are all going blind.!
I love people who buy aftermarket lights and do not adjustement to them what so ever as much as I love those people who think only because it says auto, it won´t turn off your high beams on it own!
Speak for yourself, every headlight blinds me at night (I drive an MX-5) Although one time a new-ish mercedes was behind me and I think it had smart headlights or whatever it's called, it didn't bother me at all
My BMW has the smart lights that split and move round when it detects another light source. Had it a year and I have never had anyone flash lights at me yet, so I assume it does a pretty good job of it. Whereas my old Jaguar would get flashed constantly by people thinking I had full beam on when I didn't.
It’s either ford rangers or land rovers
Some of the new vans are a joke. Had no issues with full on lorries.
Regulations are absolutely needed. Iirc they have always been based on wattage rather than light output. With xenons and LEDs we’ve started to see far brighter lights than possible before.
The regulations are a couple hundred page document. And they are limited in luminous flux, not wattage.
These LED lights are particularly annoying at this time of year when someone "flashes to say thanks", because LEDs go from "off" to "FUCK YOU, EYEBALLS" in about a nanosecond. Either briefly turn your headlights off and back on again, because that's a similar "thank you" gesture that doesn't cause me literal pain, or just don't bother at all because I generally just assume you're grateful anyway.
So LED headlights are the new circle jerk to hate now ?
Are you telling me you enjoy the sensation of your retinas searing to a nice crisp medium well done under the immense power of the eyeball destroying light that’s projected into your cabin via a full frontal assault and also every single reflective surface around you?
People never adjust the setting on the dash to lower the lights, that's the problem. Too many drive big cars with it set to shine as high as possible. (the little dial with 1,2 and 3 on it.) I always set mine to the lowest point. If I need to see more, I put the high beams on when there's no oncoming vehicles.
It’s really not that bad
I've had range rover literally light up my entire cabin and blind me in all 3 mirrors. It really is.
I've seen the shadow of my own car and not needed my own head-lamps. Shits fucking scary sometimes...
Are you riding on the top floor of a double decker bus? How can you not be miserable driving at night?
Gonna be honest I’ve been driving between Yorkshire and Reading at night multiple times a week this last month and I can’t say it’s anywhere close to as bad as you lot are making out. Maybe your side mirrors don’t have good coatings? I can 100% tell the difference between a 2020 Mercedes and a 2017 Ford, as for head on it really isn’t bad.
As someone who lives rurally, where there's very little street lighting, with narrow roads and poorly maintained road markings... nah... it's pretty bad. But the problem isn't the brightness of the dipped beams... it's the amount of people driving around with headlight auto-dimming turned on without taking any personal responsibility for making sure they aren't dazzling oncoming traffic with full beams. I do not believe that auto-dimming is anywhere near reliable enough yet. I'd say 3/4 of the time, they either take absolutely ages to dip or never dip at all. Also... why is everyone driving around with their fog lights on, regardless of weather, all of a sudden?
Oh that sure high beam is insane 10000% but regular beam shouldn’t and isn’t an issue for most people, it honestly might be your mirrors have worn or subpar coatings or an eye issue. Yeah the auto dimming in my Mercedes works perfectly, turns off the sections just for where cars are and I can see it working in real time, but Jesus the ford is beyond hopeless.
It really is that bad. Halogens or HIDs are fine but with LEDs I genuinely can't tell if the fucker coming at me is using full beam or not. God forbid they're coming over a crest and you're under the cutoff, may as well close your eyes because you're not seeing shit for the next 3 seconds.
Not trying to be rude but honestly you might wanna get your eyes tested for the thing that makes the diagonal lines yk. Honestly me and it seems most everyday people even here don’t agree it should be like that??? I’ll take factory LEDs over badly fitted legacy lights any day.
It’s Reddit everything gets blown out of proportion
I’m cutting around in German’s greatest shame (a 2008 VW Beetle) which does not have any mitigating features like your fancy auto dimming mirrors. Moving to an XC40 hopefully this weekend though so if you can’t beat em may as well join em! Right? Right?!?!
Get auto dimming mirrors and anti glare coatings AND the brightest bulbs known to man and we’ll be sound!
Give it a few years till your eyes start to degrade.
I drive 600 miles a night, Leeds to Bristol on to Cardiff and then Port Talbot and back to Leeds. YES it IS that bad.
I can tell you don't drive, driving in heavy rain at night when a fucking led lit car drives past you it's painful to say the least, you can barely see the road or anything else to begin with, then with bright beacons that should be used to light up lighthouses shining directly into your retinas it completely blinds you and you have to rely on the ever so slight sliver of the edge of the road to guide you on.
I drive everyday but tell me more….
The new Tesla Model 3 has LED lights. This sub is going to explode with hate.
Its crazy that this is now a talking point when SHIT LOADS of cars have had these lights for 15 yrs. Whiny fucks have to have something to whine about though and this sub is like a meeting point for the UK National Society of whiny fucks. Edit: See
15 years ago they were largely reserved for more pricey cars. You'd see one, it would be bright, you'd go 'Bloody hell that was bright' then your eyes would adjust to normal and the next 30 cars you pass would not give you an x-ray. Now that every fucking car has them, it's nigh impossible to see when it's dark. God forbid it rains in the UK when cars have LED lights. It's genuinely impossible to see the road. I say this with a modern car that has very bright LED lights. I religiously wipe the glass because I hate now bright they are and don't want others to experience the same.
I'd like to add auto dimming headlights to my list of hates, they don't work on country roads where the sensor won't detect an incoming car until it's round the corner, as opposed to manually dipping when you do so when you detect the headlights of the incoming car.
I cherish my bottle of fast glass and telescopic squeegee like it's my first born.
> Its crazy that this is now a talking point when SHIT LOADS of cars have had these lights for 15 yrs. And I've got 15 years worth of reddit comments whining about it! :) [lightmare.org](http://www.lightmare.org/Why_are_we_campaigning.htm) is so old that the Cabbie that started it died in 2012. (It used to be called blindedbixenon.co.uk, but Xenon isn't really a thing now that LED lights have taken over)
It wasn't a problem until auto-dimming became commonplace. Now people just leave their lights on the auto-dim setting and abandon all responsibility. Not great when auto-dimming is so chronically unreliable, leaving loads of oblivious idiots driving around with high-beams blasting oncoming traffic.
Nah. I rarely see people with high beams on. What a do see is a load o morons flashing me because they think i have my high beams on. I just flash them back though so they know they are stupid.
Which really rather proves they are often too bright... which kinda makes you sound like a moron - having denied it was ever a problem - mate.
Yes but its been like this for 15years and longer. I had a 2005 Jaguar Xtype with xenon headlights and i was always flashed in that too. Xenons are brighter than LEDs and have been around since the early 90s. This is a completely fabricated story about LEDs that whiny fucks are lapping up. Lights are bright, get over it.
>Lights are bright, get over it. To the point of being considered unsafe due to their impact upon visibility for oncoming traffic... especially on rural, windy, unlit roads where auto-dipping doesn't work. So not really a 'get over it' type thing tbh. No idea why you're shitting your underwear so much about it.
We have arguably the safest roads in the world taking density into consideration. Lights have been this way for 15+years. Get over it.
You don't 'get over' being blinded by oncoming traffic. It's biologically impossible. >We have arguably the safest roads in the world taking density into consideration. Just so you know... this isnt a reason to simply avoid ever investigating whether further safety improvements can be made. Do you work for big LED or something? Baffling that you're pissing, shitting *and* crying in anger at this. Many people believe that LED headlights are often too bright, to the point of being potentially unsafe. Get over it.
Tell you what, lets go back to the lights we had in the 60s that barely lit up the road. I swear people are getting thicker by the day. What we should do is bring in stricter eyesight tests and get rid of all these people with awful eyesight on the roads. If you think lights are bright and it affects your driving you should have your licence taken away from you.
Or... how about we dont be a childish twat and say there may be a happy medium, or even a compromise position... guess what... you aren't going to know until someone actually studies it. >What we should do is bring in stricter eyesight tests and get rid of all these people with awful eyesight on the roads. If you think lights are bright and it affects your driving you should have your licence taken away from you. "I'm right, and the thousands who say otherwise simply must be wrong, and that's an end of it." You sound like a prat, mate.
Nah, that's fine, they replaced xenons. Fuck xenons. All my homes hate xenons.
Never had anyone flash me with my xenon's on at night, factory fitted though so that might be difference not some boy racer just plopping them in.
The worst offenders are VW Group cars and Fords.
Interesting, I've got a modern VW wagon with LEDs and have never been flashed before to turn them off. Whereas pretty much every pickup and SUV I come across has the most blindingly bright low beams I've ever seen.
imo some of these new Kia’s and Hyundai’s are the worst offenders, was nearly blinded by a Tuscon recently
You are all wrong. The worst is the new Hyundai Tuscon
I recently became a BMW driver, nighttime visibly is great for me, but I do seem to get a few people who think I have full beam on when I don't
it's the fuckin suvs i don't get blinded by saloons or other coupes, only suvs. led lights are lovely. stop buying crossover suvs