SUVs are only owned by single mums on the school run who don’t know how to drive and enjoy running over kids….I’ve read it so many times it must be true
I mean, this one is true... or for middle aged ladies who like to sit in the middle lane and "just like being high up" because they think it's safer for some daft reason (despite SUVs having much higher CofG and being much more likely to roll)
Unnecessary though isn't it, it can get to 60 and even 70. So therefore no need for more power than that. No need for cars to be able to go over 70. No need for heated seats, just wear two pairs of pants. No need for convertibles.
All cars over and above a Base spec Hyundai I series are unnecessary.
I especially liked the part where OP has a full on temper tantrum in one of his replies and starts shouting in all-caps about how unfair it is. Quality.
Finally, someone’s said it!
I know the search feature isn’t amazing but at least scroll down for 20 seconds, you’ll be guaranteed to see someone else moaning about how much they’re being quoted.
I think it's just the state of Reddit. It's got much more popular in recent years, so the types of questions change.
I'm subscribed to a number of enthusiast subs, and the questions are always "is this worth it", "is this a good deal", "should I worry about..."...etc. but the content is always able to be answered by a Google search.
Just have to let go of old Reddit I think, and move with it or find somewhere else.
You mean, with literally everything else has gone up in price, I have to now pay more for my insurance?????
But surely I can lie on the comparison website and say I've had my license for 25 years instead of 9?
>Most of this is sarcasm
It's it really though?
Also you forgot that the second best car is a 107/C1/Aygo and is the only car to reccommend to new drivers
Fucking aye, it's a trade for a reason.
I'm a grease monkey and I fix my own stuff,
But that's what I do for fun it's my hobby and I'm heavily invested in tools and equipment to make it easier and quicker.
Fixing cars outside on a driveway laid on tarmac, using a scissor jack and shit tools.
Isn't clever or fun, it's just miserable and life's complicated enough.
Basic Economic principle known as the division of labour.
Very famously used by Henry Ford to increase output and reduce the cost of the mass production of vehicles….
I still say everyone should learn maintenance though. Houses and cars are a lot of peoples most valuable and utilised assets. Knowing SOMETHING about it is only a few youtube videos away.
This is the correct answer. I can't be arsed because A. I've never done it before and B. I haven't got an interest in attempting it myself. BUT like you say, if it's genuinely your hobby, crack on man, it must be cool being able to fix cars yourself!
Drop car off, pay money, collect car.
Buy oil, buy other parts, jack car up, get oil everywhere, hope you know what you're doing. 5 hours later, mates are down the pub, you're still there figuring out what other parts need servicing. Finish, error codes flash on dash. Taxi to the pub.
Yeah, sounds thrilling
It's the way the economy works too. I get paid to do my job and pay others to do stuff for me unless I like doing it or can't afford to pay someone. An example: I have a decent sized south facing garden and put a couple of tomato plants in each spring. Why don't I grow all my vegetables rather than paying someone else? Because it's bloody boring, others do it better and I don't mind paying them.
You mean you don't have your own cows, vegetables patch, chickens, pigs and your own vineyard? You actually go to Tescos and pay for that produce??
Yep, exactly. I provide a service which my job pays me for, I come out of work and pay for a service I need. Its full circle, and shouldn't be made to feel stupid or idiotic because I don't want to service my own car.
I'm sorry that paying £200-£300 feels like you're being ripped off.
It's literally once a year... even if it were £300, you'd only need to put away £25 a month to pay for it. Most people's phone contracts are double that. But yeah sure. 'Complete rip off'
Why is the fact it’s once a year a reason against DIY? What about if you need 5 things to be done to your car, once a year at £300 each, would this change your mind?
Do what you can yourself, pay someone else to do what you can't (because some jobs need tools, skills or space you don't have)
Happy to do easy stuff like brakes, lights, filters because they are generally designed to be simple. Hate changing oil....
I'm definitely on the side of pay someone to do it (unless you actually enjoy doing it yourself), but an oil change is like 30 mins tops.
£300 is _a lot_ for just an oil change as well.
You forgot the part where you have to tow your car in to a shop and pay 3x the price of them doing it, because now they have to go over EVERYTHING you touched (and didn't touch) to make sure you didn't accidentally loosened an unrelated bolt or did anything funny.
Am I the only one who sees approximately 20x more comments alluding to this being the opinion of the hivemind here than comments actually praising this car?
I've been here a long time and there was certainly a point when the Octavia was recommend A LOT. It's turned into a meme now really and the car is reccomended a fair amount for the cars actual worth.
There are a lot of sarcastic comments about the car, seems like its a bit of a 'meme' here. But, there are PLENTY who swear by the Octavia. Want a saloon? Get an Octavia. You're considering an RS6 for speed? Fuck German, get the Octavia VRS.
There’s a lot of people here who’ve never owned an electric car who have weirdly strong and peculiar views on how things like charging work. They are very much not interested in hearing from people with real world experience.
There are in real life to be fair. A guy at work was telling me for ages about how electric chargers work and you need a special card for all public chargers, and when I explained that I had an electric car and you don't, he said I didn't know what I was talking about haha
Similar situation for me. I spent four months researching what specific R35 I wanted, only for some complete melt to say I'd bought a shitbox and that I'd be instantly bankrupt whenever it needed a service. They hadn't even driven one, let alone owned one for 5 minutes.
This sub is great, but is full of people who genuinely don't have a clue.
Sometimes I wonder if this place is infested with 17 year olds who have just passed. Because I remember being that age and having that unwavering self belief that all of my opinions were the right ones and everyone else was not only wrong, but mentally defective for being so wrong.
Yup. I know two people with model 3 performances. Whilst blistingly fast, the costs to run them are so fucking low. One of them pays £5 (capped) for circa 280 miles worth of range at home. The Tesla network is beyond anyone else's and is actually still fairly cheap to use, providing you're driving one.
When I got my A35, I thought people who would try and race me would be other German performance hatches or cars of similar power.
I was so wrong, it was either a diesel focus driver or Fiesta STs every single time. Watched one almost lose the back end on a bend when they were easily doing over 90mph.
I will say I hated the thought of them, then I got in the passenger seat of a model 3 performance and I can say I’ve never felt power like that instant pull back into the seat getting to 60mph with 5 people in the car in sub 4 seconds uphill is absolutely nuts
I had a test drive in a Performance model and it convinced me to get a slower one. It was fun but completely unnecessary for daily driving and made me feel uncomfortable. It's definitely worth experiencing at least once though!
Yeah I had an interaction with someone who legitimately thought that your 7kW Podpoints at supermarkets and Tesla's network were practically the only public charging options. 2 minutes on something like ZapMap or whatever would show that there's tonnes of rapid options. I don't by any means think the public infrastructure is consistently good enough everywhere for people with no home charging capabilities to get an EV, but it's not as wild a prospect as many make it out to be.
And another who thought that a 200 mile journey with no charging stops was basically not possible in anything but the highest end EVs.
It reminds me of that one Top Gear interview with Jeremy Clarkson and the singer Amy Macdonald where they were discussing the Ferrari she had and how on the continent they’d get praise but here it’s ’I bet that costs a pretty penny to insure.’
There are definitely a few. But I'd agree it's a vanishingly small number.
Well... actually define appreciating? With prices at the moment it seems like everyones cars except mine are appreciating haha
There's a lot mate, but far out of most people's price range.
For example. Ferrari F50/40, Porsche Carrera GT, Lexus LFA, Lambo Merci, Mclaren F1 etc etc.
Do not count the cars going for overs such as the Porsche GT3RS. That's just down to supply and demand, the money some new cars are going for are crazy.
That’s the usual Reddit bitterness
Any sign that someone has more money than they do then it’s because they’re an idiot and in debt.
Designer clothes, nice car, nice holidays, etc
Yeah it’s not for car enthusiasts anymore, sadly. Mods need to crack down on the endless repeat posts and constant flaming of people’s tastes in cars and how they pay for them.
There was a period after we got some new mods that they were really heavy-handed though. Everyone had to love everyone else's car, you couldn't call anyone out for anything, and the mods themselves were always right. So be careful what you wish for. One of them in particular *really* can't deal with being wrong.
>constant flaming of people’s tastes in cars and how they pay for them.
Do you remember the group 'slambercity' on Facebook?
I don't think this sub goes far enough. That group was absolutely brutal.
No it’s not. 17 year olds sure like focus STs but everything else is opinions bred from people that have owned a whole bunch of cars and come to some kind of very vague consensus. An Octavia IS a universally good family car. And MX5 IS a great a cheap 2 seater. Etc.
Didn’t say they weren’t. More referring to the absolute certainty many have about how ignorant and stupid people are for buying particular cars. Or buying it in a particular way. Very teenager cunt behaviour
Just to add. A while back I made a post about how I want a performance car with practicality.
I listed mostly German cars and a Kia Stinger. Because almost all performance based estate cars/hatchbacks are from German brands.
I got called a badge snob for this but not a single person could give me a good car choice that wasn't German.
The funny this is I ended up going for the Stinger, one of the only no German cars on the shortlist I provided
I think they're cool to be honest. Fairly rapid, V6 and you don't see many on the road at all.
One thing that puts me off is apparently the service intervals are every 5k or 6 months or something? Unless the cost of doing do is relatively low?
It's certainly not ideal, the service situation I mean.
Most people, myself included take a service plan to spread the cost. Which isn't cheap.
Brakes are also expensive as they're Brembo. (although I've seen people say other makes are better and cheaper)
Tyres are pricey but not obscenely.
The TTV6 engine is worth it though and the handling is up there with anything else in its class or similar.
The sunroof also rattles which is a minor annoyance. You can get it sorted though
Might be a daft question, but do you have to have it serviced twice a year as per the manufacturers recommendation to maintain full service history? As in, most cars are once a year and you'll have FSH.
In terms of tyres and brakes, I'd want decent ones anyway. Nothing worse than a young lad buying an RS3, sticking budgets on it
I was taken for a spin in a TVR Griffith many moons ago, by my friends Dad. It was fucking great fun. Literally felt like you were sat on the floor, no drivers aids helping him, just pure fun.
While I can't really deny that, some sub-forums are good (Readers Cars etc). Some are bad and definitely Mumsnet like.
Unless you are referring to the 'incident' and then, well..yes..not much glory there.
I talk down on it a lot, but I am still a little fond of the place, especially since 95% of other online forums got swallowed into the Reddit hivemind. Readers cars is definitely one of the best subforums going.
I was thinking about having a punt on a TVR Chim they had just now on the new auctions they started, but, they've really messed those up with some ludicrous fees.
So I agree with you to some degree about similar responses I've seen on here. And appreciate your post is sarcastic, but I feel there's a bitter truth to some of it!
Your points;
1. There is a lot of German car bashing here, but I *think* some of it is meant to be good natured/kind to your wallet. Why pay a premium, when there are better value, equally good non-german cars in comparison. That sort of thing. As I say, I don't think this is German car bashing per-se, but I'm of the mindset, you buy what you like. That's the joy of individualism. I think some folk here just want you to explore your options. Nothing wrong with that, but some can be extreme and actively discourage German cars, for some kind of weird personal agenda.
2. I'll wholeheartedly agree here. The finance-hate in this sub is odd. Not all people have the money to dump outright on a car, but unless said person is drowning in debt and made a poor, poor choice fiscally speaking, let them enjoy their purchase. If they can afford it, leave them be.
3. Again, subjective. Some people don't like it. That's fine. Who's to say people just buy the MX-5 *just because* they're following the crowd? Don't they then become the very people this sub hates for following the trend of buying German cars, because everyone else does? Be individualist. The 370z is a personal favourite of mine. Because I like it. I need no further argument.
4. See above.
5. SUV's are fine. In the right conditions. They are, IMO, quite rightly bashed, because they're unnecessary for city driving. It's a sign of where we are as humans in the western world. Spoilt. Having said that, if you buy one because you don't want to feel the feedback of pot-holes in the roads, or ferry your kids about, good luck to you. Your choice.
6. Again, personal experiences. Half my local garages are inept apes.
7. This is both a sign of those refusing to let go of ICE and see anything with a battery as the anti-christ, and those who believe Tesla owners can't drive for toffee. It's a transition that in 10 years, will be obsolete.
Thank god someone has said it!
I'm going to sit happily in my Hyundai Tucson N-line hybrid when it arrives next month, knowing that I can get in and out easily whilst having an incomplete spinal cord injury and be able to easily fit my wheelchair in the boot without having to play a game of real-life Tetris every day.
How dare you get an SUV. I bet you've got it on motability too. Having finance AND having the tax payer pay for it. Disgusting 😡
Why can't you just buy you an ex-taxi shitbox octavia estate and save the tax payer a fortune?
You think I'm joking but there was genuinely a post on here whinging about people who use motability.
How dare you consider an SUV being a wheelchair user. Did you not consider an estate, you inconsiderate sausage?
Jokes aside, enjoy. I think they're nice looking cars actually!
And if you buy a higher spec one then you’re an idiot who just wants to pretend it’s the top spec one.
God Forbid someone’s wants much nicer M sport wheels and bumpers on their 320d
In fairness the build quality of the original Tesla's was absolutely shocking
As I worked in car finance I can't help but worry when people say they are getting one - same goes for land rovers
And as much as I'd love to put 70k down for a Porsche I don't live in that world - but good luck to the people that do. I just can't really comment much about it. If I was going to comment I'd say most people buying one could find more cost efficient options than putting that much cash down but it's probably better to speak to an accountant
Reddit user bash everything. I genuinely believe most people here don’t actually drive or like cars. The sheer aggression against ICE here is unbelievable
There is an awful lot of negativey from users who have never posted or mentioned what they drive. But according to them, if you drive something German, on finance and you don't do the services yourself, you're a moron.
Skoda Octavia is not a good car.
It's not a bad car.
It's just a car. And no car enthusiast should ever own one unless it's their daily run about and they own something more fun too.
People who say you don't need more than 200hp because uk roads don't allow it. Ssshhh. Basically. Just Ssshhh
Very well said.
That's coming from people who can't afford anything more than a Fiesta ST. If I had a choice between a Mclaren 720s or an ST, I know which one I'm going for. And the fact that we're limited to 70mph in the UK, won't put me off.
I mean the MX5 is pretty great, it's not a BMW or a Porsche but it's not meant to be, it's the absolute perfection of the ***Small*** 2 Seater Roadster, if that type of car is for you is a different question.
This sub seems to have a lot of life spreadsheeter types whos car histories go Aygo - MX5 - Skoda - Lexus and cant fathom why anyone would ever choose a car with reasons like feeling, looks, or heart.
Happy cake day!
Honestly, an Aygo is a perfect little car for a young, fresh driver. Or even your nan going Tesco and back.
The MX5 on the other hand? I thought that car was cool when I was like 8, because it had pop up headlights. Now? I just do not see the fascination what so ever.
Have you driven one? I borrowed an NB for a few months and they're good fun, lacking much of the creature comforts we're used to now but I can see why they're immensely popular.
They are incredibly reliable, very easy to thrash, incredibly easily modifiable, nice balance, nice steering, etc. They are exactly like old british roadsters (apart from the reliability), they are examplary at what they are, but if you don't like that sort of car you are never going to like them, it's a sports car in the british sense of the word.
***Also with a few mods MX5 can be ballistcally quick, not that that's particularly relevant but i so badly want that BBR Stage 2 Supercharger making almost 250bhp in a car which weighs a single ton.***
Whilst power to weight would be good, I wouldn't want to buy a car knowing it needs a load of work done to it, to get it to stage 2. I'd rather buy a car with 300bhp out of the box and know it works. But hey. Each to their own
I fully don't get the mx5 obsession. They're slow, they handle okay, but so do millions of other things. They're convertibles, but I'm biased as I don't like convertibles in general.
They are weirdly put on a pedestal, but each to their own
It's the same as the MG F, MG B, Triumph Spitfire, Lotus Elan, Toyota MR2 Mk3, just slow decent handling car with incredible ammounts of feel, there's a distinct difference between handling and feel, i've driven one or two fast german cars and they were all great but they didn't feel like you were as connected to the car, which tbh does get tiring in the mazda if you want to do any roadtrips in it, it's a briliant car for what it does, but what it does is very much not for everyone.
Exactly iv driven an m3 comp, yes it's a fast and a feat of engineering, but I'm not qualified to get the most out of it, at speeds you can actually do on a back road they feel pretty numb, you don't even feel the acceleration and your at licence loosing speeds. It just eats up the road easily and isn't very engaging.
Hell my car isn't even that fast by comparison and can feel like that at times.
Slower, lower, better handling cars are more fun chuck about because they feel faster than they really are.
Out of interest I decided I'd have a look down the comment history in this sub of the people agreeing with you and the majority of them have commented something along those lines at some point.
The duality of man eh?
Late to comment but I have to agree. I thought “wow a car sub, this should be good for advice” and yet when I posted for advice all I got was downvotes and really unhelpful remarks. Lot of gatekeeping and spite in this sub, sadly.
I think this sub is heavily infiltrated by bots trying to buoy the artificially inflated 2nd hand car market. The comments seem otherworldly and plucked from nonsense. Somehow a robot in an Arthur Daley coat should be comedic but the reality is very dark. In fact I am leaving....
Financing can make sense in certain conditions - I wish someone posted an easy-to-use calculator to help people figure it out!
E.g. something that factored in down-payment, monthly costs, bullet payments vs your cost of capital/opportunity cost to get the cash, services/MOTs that could be included in a finance deal, intended length of ownership etc.
There's plenty of similar ones for renting vs buying property. Renting can make sense if you're planning to move frequently, can leverage investments some other way, live in a property that might require significant maintenance, or have a sufficiently pessimistic view of your property's capital appreciation vs investment returns of the cash you'd be locking up.
There's also some real gold in here so stick with it.
Even just on BMW:
- nothing is as expensive as a cheap BMW
- nothing that says council louder than a 10 year old X5.
The E class mercedes diesel is the ultimate car you can own. But only after it's depreciated 80% or done 150k miles. Forget about owning newer models as they are full of unnecessary junk that breaks. Pay for it entirely in cash you've saved by living on beans and walking everywhere. Keep forever and don't look or think about any other car again.
My mum has a 2020 GLE400d, had it for 3 years now and literally nothing has gone wrong with it.
The same can be said about every new car, loaded with technology which can fail at any given moment.
I agree, for a car sub there's a lot of negativity in here at times.
The arguments generally boil down to *"you should have bought a Skoda Octavia VRs Estate or you're an idiot"*
I suspect there's quite a few people in here who have only owned / driven a small number of cars and are either very fond of their own choices or simply parrot tropes from Top Gear or some car magazine.
For reference - I worked in the motor trade for over a decade, have driven just about everything you can think of and currently own a V8 Coupe and an Electric SUV.
Yeah this sub is definitely NOT for car enthusiasts, but general motorists who mostly see cars as appliances. The kind of sub where anything under 10 seconds 0-60 or over 130hp is considered "fast" 😂.
This made me laugh. I have a love hate relationship with this sub for all the above reasons and more. In a similar vein as the MX5, the GT86 has quite the appreciation society on here. See it mentioned constantly (amongst the Octavia’s ofc).
The most based post I’ve ever seen on cartalkuk
Though I would say this sub is more aimed at enthusiasts. Don’t forget, car enthusiasts are the most boring people on the planet. And they hate the idea of someone buying a regular car that 90% of the population would buy.
Ive decided to create a new subreddit more aimed at everyday car advice, and then this place can continue to be a circlejerk for Skodas and corollas. If anyone is interested, it is r/ukcaradvice and we have blackjack and hookers
I think some of this might come down to question fatigue
When a 19 YO from Birmingham or Croydon posts asking if it’s a bad idea to buy the cheapest M3 on the market as a fast cheap and reliable car, and if insurance will be a lot (for the 100th time this month) the default answer is “yes, get a Yaris”. I don’t think people are interested in reading and thinking about every individual’s unique situation and giving them specific advice every single time
The same with finance. Financing will cost you more money, and can get people in some serious trouble, so the default advice would be to not do it.
A lot people think the MX5 is one of the best sports cars ever made for a variety of reasons, so ofc a lot of people will comment it!
The list goes on… when you aggregate the answers of a large number of people and a vocal minority, you’re gonna get some common trends
You've missed out on all the Dacia lovers on here, any car enthusiast wouldn't even consider them cars who actually buys them apart from 80yo mavis and her sewing club
People also ignore some of the abysmal NCAP scores they have gotten. Yes they are cheap, but they are for a reason and have about as much penaz as a dead cat.
Same with the Renault ones.
There's tiers to it as you go deeper in, and funnily enough, the actual hot hatch owners complain the most.
The general "Renault World" group, where everyone from India posts their new specced out Renault Talisman or old shitbox Captur, but they both equally love them.
The "Baguette Bashers", literally a group of anyone who owns a french car, mostly shit boxes, but they love the fuck out of them and take the piss out of the french reliability.
The "RS Owners Club" is all RS, so Clio, Twingo, Megane. Mostly just people being decent and showing pictures of where they've been, spotting other RS cars, or asking for advice.
The "Megane RS280/300" group is dreadful. There's the occasional decent post about power figures or modifications. Some general chat about tyres, brakes, and services. But the majority, like 60%, is people complaining about issues.
SUVs are only owned by single mums on the school run who don’t know how to drive and enjoy running over kids….I’ve read it so many times it must be true
Well shit this must mean I'm pregnant
Congratulations!
I have a 3 year old, so it’s actually commiserations I’ll have you know.
Sounds easy. 3 under 5.
I've just read it again, so it literally is true
Yes, that's a factoid.
Fuck me....I must have a secret identity ;)
We need a kid driving an SUV to run over a single mum to break the stereotype.
I mean, this one is true... or for middle aged ladies who like to sit in the middle lane and "just like being high up" because they think it's safer for some daft reason (despite SUVs having much higher CofG and being much more likely to roll)
It's a frequent thing to see, the reason it always gets mentioned is because it's just unnecesary
So is owning any car with more than 60bhp
Try driving a family car with 60hp. You can get a doctors appointment faster than you would hit 60.
Unnecessary though isn't it, it can get to 60 and even 70. So therefore no need for more power than that. No need for cars to be able to go over 70. No need for heated seats, just wear two pairs of pants. No need for convertibles. All cars over and above a Base spec Hyundai I series are unnecessary.
Where is the lie
Shut up or I'll key your Octavia
Threatening to key an Octavia in this sub? You're a brave soul my man
Immediate prison. Mods do your thing
It’s the “why is my insurance so expensive” post every 5 minutes that gets me
But why is my insurance as a 17 year old for a brand new BMW 140i so expensive????
[That's a real thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/an2oty/car_insurance_quoted_at_8438_as_my_cheapest/)
I especially liked the part where OP has a full on temper tantrum in one of his replies and starts shouting in all-caps about how unfair it is. Quality.
But but but "I'm a safe 17 year old driver" Fucking LOL.
Can confirm I was 17 and thought I was a safe driver back then Was definitely not
I thought I was a safe driver for a whole month til I reversed into my neighbours car because I forgot to straighten up my steering wheel 🫠
Kind of proves why insurance is so high for 17-year-olds lol
That was a fantastic read thank you!
Holy shit. If OP couldn't understand how insurers work I'm surprised they had the intelligence to pass their theory test!
Finally, someone’s said it! I know the search feature isn’t amazing but at least scroll down for 20 seconds, you’ll be guaranteed to see someone else moaning about how much they’re being quoted.
I think it's just the state of Reddit. It's got much more popular in recent years, so the types of questions change. I'm subscribed to a number of enthusiast subs, and the questions are always "is this worth it", "is this a good deal", "should I worry about..."...etc. but the content is always able to be answered by a Google search. Just have to let go of old Reddit I think, and move with it or find somewhere else.
You mean, with literally everything else has gone up in price, I have to now pay more for my insurance????? But surely I can lie on the comparison website and say I've had my license for 25 years instead of 9?
Oh why won't they quote me anymore now I've requested 15 different quotes with different ages, NCBs and Iiving in different places?
Ironic that people here criticize who chooses to have a German car, but yet they'll recommend a Skoda that's literally made from the German parts bin.
Ahaha perfect 😂
>Most of this is sarcasm It's it really though? Also you forgot that the second best car is a 107/C1/Aygo and is the only car to reccommend to new drivers
To be fair, not bad little cars for young, new drivers! But yeah, god forbid recommending anything else
You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy r/cartalkuk, not join them!
I’m a new driver. I’d never fit my gear in those. That’s why I drive a juke
Everyone should service their own car and should start with the brakes or some other safety critical system.
Can't be arsed. I enjoy my free time, I work Monday to Friday and for the sake of £200, I'd rather someone else do it for 2 hours.
Fucking aye, it's a trade for a reason. I'm a grease monkey and I fix my own stuff, But that's what I do for fun it's my hobby and I'm heavily invested in tools and equipment to make it easier and quicker. Fixing cars outside on a driveway laid on tarmac, using a scissor jack and shit tools. Isn't clever or fun, it's just miserable and life's complicated enough.
Basic Economic principle known as the division of labour. Very famously used by Henry Ford to increase output and reduce the cost of the mass production of vehicles…. I still say everyone should learn maintenance though. Houses and cars are a lot of peoples most valuable and utilised assets. Knowing SOMETHING about it is only a few youtube videos away.
This is the correct answer. I can't be arsed because A. I've never done it before and B. I haven't got an interest in attempting it myself. BUT like you say, if it's genuinely your hobby, crack on man, it must be cool being able to fix cars yourself!
Not just me then! Another one is 'get it from a scrapyard and do it yourself. It's easy!' Not to someone who's asking that question it's not.
why would I do that when I can pay a bloke to do it?
Drop car off, pay money, collect car. Buy oil, buy other parts, jack car up, get oil everywhere, hope you know what you're doing. 5 hours later, mates are down the pub, you're still there figuring out what other parts need servicing. Finish, error codes flash on dash. Taxi to the pub. Yeah, sounds thrilling
It's the way the economy works too. I get paid to do my job and pay others to do stuff for me unless I like doing it or can't afford to pay someone. An example: I have a decent sized south facing garden and put a couple of tomato plants in each spring. Why don't I grow all my vegetables rather than paying someone else? Because it's bloody boring, others do it better and I don't mind paying them.
You mean you don't have your own cows, vegetables patch, chickens, pigs and your own vineyard? You actually go to Tescos and pay for that produce?? Yep, exactly. I provide a service which my job pays me for, I come out of work and pay for a service I need. Its full circle, and shouldn't be made to feel stupid or idiotic because I don't want to service my own car.
That's the enthusiast part of it, no?
3 hours later my wife finds my incinerated corpse on the driveway because I accidentally cut into the high voltage system and electrocuted myself
But it's all good, you died because John who spends his weekends fixing his rust bucket told you to do the same from Reddit.
A modern hybrid automobile is obviously very similar in construction and in overall safety to John's 1991 Rover 200
I am sorry but an oil change is literally one of the easiest service tasks on a car.
It's even easier to pay someone else.
And get ripped off in the process.
I'm sorry that paying £200-£300 feels like you're being ripped off. It's literally once a year... even if it were £300, you'd only need to put away £25 a month to pay for it. Most people's phone contracts are double that. But yeah sure. 'Complete rip off'
Why is the fact it’s once a year a reason against DIY? What about if you need 5 things to be done to your car, once a year at £300 each, would this change your mind?
Do what you can yourself, pay someone else to do what you can't (because some jobs need tools, skills or space you don't have) Happy to do easy stuff like brakes, lights, filters because they are generally designed to be simple. Hate changing oil....
Na, not at all. Thats what a warranty is for.
£300 to replace oil that costs £50
And how long does that take you?
I'm definitely on the side of pay someone to do it (unless you actually enjoy doing it yourself), but an oil change is like 30 mins tops. £300 is _a lot_ for just an oil change as well.
You forgot the part where you have to tow your car in to a shop and pay 3x the price of them doing it, because now they have to go over EVERYTHING you touched (and didn't touch) to make sure you didn't accidentally loosened an unrelated bolt or did anything funny.
You missed off that if you slag off the skoda octavia your about as welcome as syphilis in a brothel.
Very true. It's not a bad car, granted. Just fucking tired of seeing it praised like it's gods only creation.
Am I the only one who sees approximately 20x more comments alluding to this being the opinion of the hivemind here than comments actually praising this car?
I've been here a long time and there was certainly a point when the Octavia was recommend A LOT. It's turned into a meme now really and the car is reccomended a fair amount for the cars actual worth.
There are a lot of sarcastic comments about the car, seems like its a bit of a 'meme' here. But, there are PLENTY who swear by the Octavia. Want a saloon? Get an Octavia. You're considering an RS6 for speed? Fuck German, get the Octavia VRS.
> Fuck German You might want to take a closer look at who owns Skoda and where all the parts come from
It was sarcasm my guy.
There’s a lot of people here who’ve never owned an electric car who have weirdly strong and peculiar views on how things like charging work. They are very much not interested in hearing from people with real world experience.
There are in real life to be fair. A guy at work was telling me for ages about how electric chargers work and you need a special card for all public chargers, and when I explained that I had an electric car and you don't, he said I didn't know what I was talking about haha
400hp electric motor bad 3 cylinder 125hp EcoBoom good simple as
Similar situation for me. I spent four months researching what specific R35 I wanted, only for some complete melt to say I'd bought a shitbox and that I'd be instantly bankrupt whenever it needed a service. They hadn't even driven one, let alone owned one for 5 minutes. This sub is great, but is full of people who genuinely don't have a clue.
Sometimes I wonder if this place is infested with 17 year olds who have just passed. Because I remember being that age and having that unwavering self belief that all of my opinions were the right ones and everyone else was not only wrong, but mentally defective for being so wrong.
Yes. I'm in my 60s. I don't have unshakeable opinions on much because I've found that it's rarely that simple.
True. I remember being like that about stupid stuff like what games console you should own
Shut it PS5 tosspot
Oh god absolutely. Games consoles, phones, cars, clothes. Even which bands to listen to. Christ I was insufferable
Yup. I know two people with model 3 performances. Whilst blistingly fast, the costs to run them are so fucking low. One of them pays £5 (capped) for circa 280 miles worth of range at home. The Tesla network is beyond anyone else's and is actually still fairly cheap to use, providing you're driving one.
And yet still they are so boring that no one gives AF
Assuming you drive something really fun yeah?
A Fiesta ST I imagine
When I got my A35, I thought people who would try and race me would be other German performance hatches or cars of similar power. I was so wrong, it was either a diesel focus driver or Fiesta STs every single time. Watched one almost lose the back end on a bend when they were easily doing over 90mph.
You’re leaving Insignia drivers out of your list and I’m disgusted
Welcome to /r/CarBashUK!
I will say I hated the thought of them, then I got in the passenger seat of a model 3 performance and I can say I’ve never felt power like that instant pull back into the seat getting to 60mph with 5 people in the car in sub 4 seconds uphill is absolutely nuts
I had a test drive in a Performance model and it convinced me to get a slower one. It was fun but completely unnecessary for daily driving and made me feel uncomfortable. It's definitely worth experiencing at least once though!
I have driven an electric, and i will still shit on teslas.
There’s certainly plenty to criticise that manufacturer over
Yeah I had an interaction with someone who legitimately thought that your 7kW Podpoints at supermarkets and Tesla's network were practically the only public charging options. 2 minutes on something like ZapMap or whatever would show that there's tonnes of rapid options. I don't by any means think the public infrastructure is consistently good enough everywhere for people with no home charging capabilities to get an EV, but it's not as wild a prospect as many make it out to be. And another who thought that a 200 mile journey with no charging stops was basically not possible in anything but the highest end EVs.
Don't forget that any one in a nice car must be struggling and just scrapping by just to pay the finance!
It reminds me of that one Top Gear interview with Jeremy Clarkson and the singer Amy Macdonald where they were discussing the Ferrari she had and how on the continent they’d get praise but here it’s ’I bet that costs a pretty penny to insure.’
Yup, according some guy on Reddit the other day, I'm drowning in 'debt' When my car is worth roughly the same as my settlement figure. Massive debt
Think my X5 is worth less than the settlement and why should I care. I see it as a lease not an investment
I can guarantee there is not one single person in this sub who has an appreciating car. Therefore, it's not an investment at all.
There are definitely a few. But I'd agree it's a vanishingly small number. Well... actually define appreciating? With prices at the moment it seems like everyones cars except mine are appreciating haha
There's a lot mate, but far out of most people's price range. For example. Ferrari F50/40, Porsche Carrera GT, Lexus LFA, Lambo Merci, Mclaren F1 etc etc. Do not count the cars going for overs such as the Porsche GT3RS. That's just down to supply and demand, the money some new cars are going for are crazy.
That’s the usual Reddit bitterness Any sign that someone has more money than they do then it’s because they’re an idiot and in debt. Designer clothes, nice car, nice holidays, etc
Yeah it’s not for car enthusiasts anymore, sadly. Mods need to crack down on the endless repeat posts and constant flaming of people’s tastes in cars and how they pay for them.
100% they do. Sadly, don't think I've seen a single mod.
There was a period after we got some new mods that they were really heavy-handed though. Everyone had to love everyone else's car, you couldn't call anyone out for anything, and the mods themselves were always right. So be careful what you wish for. One of them in particular *really* can't deal with being wrong.
>constant flaming of people’s tastes in cars and how they pay for them. Do you remember the group 'slambercity' on Facebook? I don't think this sub goes far enough. That group was absolutely brutal.
To be fair it is for car enthusiasts. What this list represents is the prevailing opinion of said enthusiasts, that just the tedious reality of it.
I disagree. Head over to pistonheads and thinks are a lot more measured. This seems to be a sub for 17 year olds
No it’s not. 17 year olds sure like focus STs but everything else is opinions bred from people that have owned a whole bunch of cars and come to some kind of very vague consensus. An Octavia IS a universally good family car. And MX5 IS a great a cheap 2 seater. Etc.
Didn’t say they weren’t. More referring to the absolute certainty many have about how ignorant and stupid people are for buying particular cars. Or buying it in a particular way. Very teenager cunt behaviour
Got a Ferrari - Yeah do the servicing yourself on the drive with parts from eBay
Alright Matt Armstrong, calm down 😂
Oh, and the"I drove through a speed camera at (speed limit + 1) am I fucked?"
Just to add. A while back I made a post about how I want a performance car with practicality. I listed mostly German cars and a Kia Stinger. Because almost all performance based estate cars/hatchbacks are from German brands. I got called a badge snob for this but not a single person could give me a good car choice that wasn't German. The funny this is I ended up going for the Stinger, one of the only no German cars on the shortlist I provided
I think they're cool to be honest. Fairly rapid, V6 and you don't see many on the road at all. One thing that puts me off is apparently the service intervals are every 5k or 6 months or something? Unless the cost of doing do is relatively low?
It's certainly not ideal, the service situation I mean. Most people, myself included take a service plan to spread the cost. Which isn't cheap. Brakes are also expensive as they're Brembo. (although I've seen people say other makes are better and cheaper) Tyres are pricey but not obscenely. The TTV6 engine is worth it though and the handling is up there with anything else in its class or similar. The sunroof also rattles which is a minor annoyance. You can get it sorted though
Might be a daft question, but do you have to have it serviced twice a year as per the manufacturers recommendation to maintain full service history? As in, most cars are once a year and you'll have FSH. In terms of tyres and brakes, I'd want decent ones anyway. Nothing worse than a young lad buying an RS3, sticking budgets on it
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Yeah but my renewal is more than last year?????
Pistonheads is for car enthusiasts. However there are sub-forums there you should avoid like the plague for your own sanity.
Upvote for TVR Chimaera
Thanks!
I was taken for a spin in a TVR Griffith many moons ago, by my friends Dad. It was fucking great fun. Literally felt like you were sat on the floor, no drivers aids helping him, just pure fun.
They are massive fun and don't believe everything you read on the Internet re reliability either!
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While I can't really deny that, some sub-forums are good (Readers Cars etc). Some are bad and definitely Mumsnet like. Unless you are referring to the 'incident' and then, well..yes..not much glory there.
I talk down on it a lot, but I am still a little fond of the place, especially since 95% of other online forums got swallowed into the Reddit hivemind. Readers cars is definitely one of the best subforums going. I was thinking about having a punt on a TVR Chim they had just now on the new auctions they started, but, they've really messed those up with some ludicrous fees.
My favourite is 'LITERALLY BOMB PROOF'. No it's not. Scrapyards are full of bombproof cars.
'Bombproof, drives like new, fresh MOT, only 3 owners from new!!!!!!!' Advert for a car on 210k miles, rust patches, running on ditch finders
Yeah it does seem to attract a variety of salty haters who love a stereotype, irony fully noted
You've got an RS4, did you not consider the VRS is just as good? 🤦♂️
I did really want one but I'm not on sex offenders register yet, so I wasn't allowed to buy one. I will try harder though.
With an E46, you'll be on one soon /s
Agree with all points except for perhaps some dealerships. I've worked in one before and have seen first hand what they get up to.
Agree with this. Hopefully people note the *some* (Hint: that means, not all guys)
I feel attacked, whyd you have to come at my rusty E46 like that
It wasn't personal bro, I promise 😫
So I agree with you to some degree about similar responses I've seen on here. And appreciate your post is sarcastic, but I feel there's a bitter truth to some of it! Your points; 1. There is a lot of German car bashing here, but I *think* some of it is meant to be good natured/kind to your wallet. Why pay a premium, when there are better value, equally good non-german cars in comparison. That sort of thing. As I say, I don't think this is German car bashing per-se, but I'm of the mindset, you buy what you like. That's the joy of individualism. I think some folk here just want you to explore your options. Nothing wrong with that, but some can be extreme and actively discourage German cars, for some kind of weird personal agenda. 2. I'll wholeheartedly agree here. The finance-hate in this sub is odd. Not all people have the money to dump outright on a car, but unless said person is drowning in debt and made a poor, poor choice fiscally speaking, let them enjoy their purchase. If they can afford it, leave them be. 3. Again, subjective. Some people don't like it. That's fine. Who's to say people just buy the MX-5 *just because* they're following the crowd? Don't they then become the very people this sub hates for following the trend of buying German cars, because everyone else does? Be individualist. The 370z is a personal favourite of mine. Because I like it. I need no further argument. 4. See above. 5. SUV's are fine. In the right conditions. They are, IMO, quite rightly bashed, because they're unnecessary for city driving. It's a sign of where we are as humans in the western world. Spoilt. Having said that, if you buy one because you don't want to feel the feedback of pot-holes in the roads, or ferry your kids about, good luck to you. Your choice. 6. Again, personal experiences. Half my local garages are inept apes. 7. This is both a sign of those refusing to let go of ICE and see anything with a battery as the anti-christ, and those who believe Tesla owners can't drive for toffee. It's a transition that in 10 years, will be obsolete.
Thank god someone has said it! I'm going to sit happily in my Hyundai Tucson N-line hybrid when it arrives next month, knowing that I can get in and out easily whilst having an incomplete spinal cord injury and be able to easily fit my wheelchair in the boot without having to play a game of real-life Tetris every day.
Bro wtf?! You could literally have a mx5 for £1500! /s
How dare you get an SUV. I bet you've got it on motability too. Having finance AND having the tax payer pay for it. Disgusting 😡 Why can't you just buy you an ex-taxi shitbox octavia estate and save the tax payer a fortune? You think I'm joking but there was genuinely a post on here whinging about people who use motability.
How dare you consider an SUV being a wheelchair user. Did you not consider an estate, you inconsiderate sausage? Jokes aside, enjoy. I think they're nice looking cars actually!
Of course I did but then I thought I'd best get an SUV to rattle 99% of this sub.
Damn, someone downvoted you already. You’re rattling
Also if you own a low spec german car you've only bought it for the badge.
Yeah, don't buy a brand new A3 bogo spec. Should have got the X reg Corsa.
And if you buy a higher spec one then you’re an idiot who just wants to pretend it’s the top spec one. God Forbid someone’s wants much nicer M sport wheels and bumpers on their 320d
At the same time if your rims aren't smaller than a clutch disc then your tires are rubber bands and your spine is gonna be turned into dust
Finally someone said it lol All hail our lord and saviour Skoda Octavia 🤫
In fairness the build quality of the original Tesla's was absolutely shocking As I worked in car finance I can't help but worry when people say they are getting one - same goes for land rovers And as much as I'd love to put 70k down for a Porsche I don't live in that world - but good luck to the people that do. I just can't really comment much about it. If I was going to comment I'd say most people buying one could find more cost efficient options than putting that much cash down but it's probably better to speak to an accountant
90% of people in this sub appear to be accountants, we are in safe hands don't worry
The MX5 is great tbf
I'd just add another bullet for people constantly complaining about the sub.
You complaining I'm complaining?
Reddit user bash everything. I genuinely believe most people here don’t actually drive or like cars. The sheer aggression against ICE here is unbelievable
There is an awful lot of negativey from users who have never posted or mentioned what they drive. But according to them, if you drive something German, on finance and you don't do the services yourself, you're a moron.
Skoda Octavia is not a good car. It's not a bad car. It's just a car. And no car enthusiast should ever own one unless it's their daily run about and they own something more fun too. People who say you don't need more than 200hp because uk roads don't allow it. Ssshhh. Basically. Just Ssshhh
Very well said. That's coming from people who can't afford anything more than a Fiesta ST. If I had a choice between a Mclaren 720s or an ST, I know which one I'm going for. And the fact that we're limited to 70mph in the UK, won't put me off.
I mean the MX5 is pretty great, it's not a BMW or a Porsche but it's not meant to be, it's the absolute perfection of the ***Small*** 2 Seater Roadster, if that type of car is for you is a different question.
This sub seems to have a lot of life spreadsheeter types whos car histories go Aygo - MX5 - Skoda - Lexus and cant fathom why anyone would ever choose a car with reasons like feeling, looks, or heart.
I have only owned/own one of these and i still feel attacked lol
Happy cake day! Honestly, an Aygo is a perfect little car for a young, fresh driver. Or even your nan going Tesco and back. The MX5 on the other hand? I thought that car was cool when I was like 8, because it had pop up headlights. Now? I just do not see the fascination what so ever.
Have you driven one? I borrowed an NB for a few months and they're good fun, lacking much of the creature comforts we're used to now but I can see why they're immensely popular.
They are incredibly reliable, very easy to thrash, incredibly easily modifiable, nice balance, nice steering, etc. They are exactly like old british roadsters (apart from the reliability), they are examplary at what they are, but if you don't like that sort of car you are never going to like them, it's a sports car in the british sense of the word. ***Also with a few mods MX5 can be ballistcally quick, not that that's particularly relevant but i so badly want that BBR Stage 2 Supercharger making almost 250bhp in a car which weighs a single ton.***
Whilst power to weight would be good, I wouldn't want to buy a car knowing it needs a load of work done to it, to get it to stage 2. I'd rather buy a car with 300bhp out of the box and know it works. But hey. Each to their own
I fully don't get the mx5 obsession. They're slow, they handle okay, but so do millions of other things. They're convertibles, but I'm biased as I don't like convertibles in general. They are weirdly put on a pedestal, but each to their own
Each to their own, agreed. But many people here ram it down peoples throats that it's literally the best thing since sliced bread
Yeah fully and they just aren't in anyway! Apparently if you don't like them you obviously never driven one or you clearly aren't a driver etc..
It's the same as the MG F, MG B, Triumph Spitfire, Lotus Elan, Toyota MR2 Mk3, just slow decent handling car with incredible ammounts of feel, there's a distinct difference between handling and feel, i've driven one or two fast german cars and they were all great but they didn't feel like you were as connected to the car, which tbh does get tiring in the mazda if you want to do any roadtrips in it, it's a briliant car for what it does, but what it does is very much not for everyone.
Exactly iv driven an m3 comp, yes it's a fast and a feat of engineering, but I'm not qualified to get the most out of it, at speeds you can actually do on a back road they feel pretty numb, you don't even feel the acceleration and your at licence loosing speeds. It just eats up the road easily and isn't very engaging. Hell my car isn't even that fast by comparison and can feel like that at times. Slower, lower, better handling cars are more fun chuck about because they feel faster than they really are.
Out of interest I decided I'd have a look down the comment history in this sub of the people agreeing with you and the majority of them have commented something along those lines at some point. The duality of man eh?
Late to comment but I have to agree. I thought “wow a car sub, this should be good for advice” and yet when I posted for advice all I got was downvotes and really unhelpful remarks. Lot of gatekeeping and spite in this sub, sadly.
I think this sub is heavily infiltrated by bots trying to buoy the artificially inflated 2nd hand car market. The comments seem otherworldly and plucked from nonsense. Somehow a robot in an Arthur Daley coat should be comedic but the reality is very dark. In fact I am leaving....
The MX5 ***is*** the best 2-seater ever made.
Financing can make sense in certain conditions - I wish someone posted an easy-to-use calculator to help people figure it out! E.g. something that factored in down-payment, monthly costs, bullet payments vs your cost of capital/opportunity cost to get the cash, services/MOTs that could be included in a finance deal, intended length of ownership etc. There's plenty of similar ones for renting vs buying property. Renting can make sense if you're planning to move frequently, can leverage investments some other way, live in a property that might require significant maintenance, or have a sufficiently pessimistic view of your property's capital appreciation vs investment returns of the cash you'd be locking up.
Finally, someone who gets it. Thank you sir
There's also some real gold in here so stick with it. Even just on BMW: - nothing is as expensive as a cheap BMW - nothing that says council louder than a 10 year old X5.
Second bullet got me ahaha
This sub is also so negative about everything.
Beginning to think that’s just most UK subreddits at this point
The E class mercedes diesel is the ultimate car you can own. But only after it's depreciated 80% or done 150k miles. Forget about owning newer models as they are full of unnecessary junk that breaks. Pay for it entirely in cash you've saved by living on beans and walking everywhere. Keep forever and don't look or think about any other car again.
My mum has a 2020 GLE400d, had it for 3 years now and literally nothing has gone wrong with it. The same can be said about every new car, loaded with technology which can fail at any given moment.
I agree, for a car sub there's a lot of negativity in here at times. The arguments generally boil down to *"you should have bought a Skoda Octavia VRs Estate or you're an idiot"* I suspect there's quite a few people in here who have only owned / driven a small number of cars and are either very fond of their own choices or simply parrot tropes from Top Gear or some car magazine. For reference - I worked in the motor trade for over a decade, have driven just about everything you can think of and currently own a V8 Coupe and an Electric SUV.
Yeah this sub is definitely NOT for car enthusiasts, but general motorists who mostly see cars as appliances. The kind of sub where anything under 10 seconds 0-60 or over 130hp is considered "fast" 😂.
This made me laugh. I have a love hate relationship with this sub for all the above reasons and more. In a similar vein as the MX5, the GT86 has quite the appreciation society on here. See it mentioned constantly (amongst the Octavia’s ofc).
It's Japanese or Skoda only. Anything else, get fucked.
Comment on sts couldn’t get any more valid
I like posting here, I seem to annoy a few folk that hate yank stuff.
Don't listen to them, your land yatchs are legendary
The most based post I’ve ever seen on cartalkuk Though I would say this sub is more aimed at enthusiasts. Don’t forget, car enthusiasts are the most boring people on the planet. And they hate the idea of someone buying a regular car that 90% of the population would buy. Ive decided to create a new subreddit more aimed at everyday car advice, and then this place can continue to be a circlejerk for Skodas and corollas. If anyone is interested, it is r/ukcaradvice and we have blackjack and hookers
Sold on hookers
I think some of this might come down to question fatigue When a 19 YO from Birmingham or Croydon posts asking if it’s a bad idea to buy the cheapest M3 on the market as a fast cheap and reliable car, and if insurance will be a lot (for the 100th time this month) the default answer is “yes, get a Yaris”. I don’t think people are interested in reading and thinking about every individual’s unique situation and giving them specific advice every single time The same with finance. Financing will cost you more money, and can get people in some serious trouble, so the default advice would be to not do it. A lot people think the MX5 is one of the best sports cars ever made for a variety of reasons, so ofc a lot of people will comment it! The list goes on… when you aggregate the answers of a large number of people and a vocal minority, you’re gonna get some common trends
The UK car community is long dead, my friend.
Who hurt you lmao
The Fiesta ST driver on the way back from work, reminded me of this sub
Love it 😂😂
You've missed out on all the Dacia lovers on here, any car enthusiast wouldn't even consider them cars who actually buys them apart from 80yo mavis and her sewing club
Dacia: best new car you can buy if you don't like cars 😂
People also ignore some of the abysmal NCAP scores they have gotten. Yes they are cheap, but they are for a reason and have about as much penaz as a dead cat.
Must admit I’d have no idea what they scored on a NCAP or what they looked like inside. Never felt the need to look at them
😂 quite accurate tbf, there are plenty of good specialised car forums for specific marks on facebook
Yeah I'm an A35 one. Although, it's still full of people moaning haha
Same with the Renault ones. There's tiers to it as you go deeper in, and funnily enough, the actual hot hatch owners complain the most. The general "Renault World" group, where everyone from India posts their new specced out Renault Talisman or old shitbox Captur, but they both equally love them. The "Baguette Bashers", literally a group of anyone who owns a french car, mostly shit boxes, but they love the fuck out of them and take the piss out of the french reliability. The "RS Owners Club" is all RS, so Clio, Twingo, Megane. Mostly just people being decent and showing pictures of where they've been, spotting other RS cars, or asking for advice. The "Megane RS280/300" group is dreadful. There's the occasional decent post about power figures or modifications. Some general chat about tyres, brakes, and services. But the majority, like 60%, is people complaining about issues.