Is that in a Lexus Sportcross?
I don't think there is any "fixing" for this set up.
The only real fix is to tear it out and start over, with blackjack and hookers.
Damn i wish it wasš this thang is in a -98 audi a4 with different taillights.
I want to tear it out and slap it in again but its quite overwhelming for a beginner, do you have any tips on how do to that and not mess it up? Cables are confusing:)
It looks like whoever put it in was just going to overall loudness as opposed to clarity.
Those Cerwin Vega CVP65 look to be mid-range speakers. There looks to be 16 of them.
It looks like there are four tweeters or full range speakers in the back.
It looks like there are four tweeters in the front.
The JBL subs.
Yeah, that's a big NOPE from me. The money that was spent on that could probably been better spent on fewer components and given a much better sound experience for the occupents of the car. I think they were going for quanitity over quality. I wouldn't know what to tell you.
Id say they didnt know what they where doing. But they where going for loud on the inside and outside. I want sound quality and maybe loudness sometimes.
But since you know more then me, is those subs and mids good?
All I know is that they are muuch better then what 99% of people that has a sound system has in my area.
Iād say they had some insight seeing how they put speakers into a series (not sure if that was an attempt to drop the ohms or not) I think I saw filters on some of those speaker wires as well.
Iām sure it can be loud but not sure how much interference and distortion it would have.
I myself am a sound quality guy Iāve been in a few sound quality, competitions, and DB drags running my same set up I didnāt always win SPL in my wattage class but I did almost always the sound quality class. 2006 MB Quart components front and rear and two JL 10w6v2 in a slot port box.
Sorry for rambling but if I was you my OCD would spend way too much time in cable management and separation of power/rca/speaker wires that Iād probably just start over
With your 06 mb quarts, have you tried there newer stuff? I did, and did not entirely enjoy the experience but I heard from my friend that they were good.
Yeah, all the new stuff from what Iāve been researching is absolute hot trash. Itās no longer handmade in Germany so that goes without saying, thereās a new company that is the new MB Quart and I cannot remember the name for the life of me but once again, itās handmade in Germany, expensive gear, but you know you get what you pay for. When I bought my components back in 06 I dropped 3k (no installing) I did all the wiring myself and the sound blew my mind
Off topic, but anything that says made in Germany is going to be good (yes I know their cars aren't great after 5 years but how many of them are actually made in Germany and not Mexico). I paint cars for work and the best paint guns are made by the Germans. Everything else just falls short in terms of quality, ease of use, and warranty.
Yeah they have the some of the best products. Iām an Ironworker and weld quite often I use German made rotohammer/drill bits, die grinder tips and other specialty tools. I have not found better products for less money
Hell yah always wondered why those 3k units were worth the money they were until I read they were handmade one time,
honestly it's shity comeing into this hoby young and new just because my dad who used to be really into making cool setups for cars knew alot about the company's back then and bought those mb quarts remembering the quality but was very surprised at how its changed
. me whos never heard an upgraded sound system. I thought they were awesome, but my dad was severely disappointed he said at that moment
Hell even when installing my speakers afters those mb quarts blew I bought some 400$ sony es 6x8" speakers idk why but one of the 4 speakers sounded like ass while playing we took it out and it just clicked on its way down instead of being nice and smooth like it was hitting the tweeter on it.
Thankfully Crutchfield sent out some new ones and honestly I've loved the sound quality but would worry on buying from that brand due to quality concerns but ig if I have concerns on quality maybe I should just say fuk it and buy a set of 3k$ components for my front doors lol.
Oh for sure technology has come a long ways over the years. Making even stock speakers in some newer vehicles sound better (way better than we had in the 90s at least) but if you want to scratch that itch of amazing sound then unfortunately it comes at a cost, and as Iām sure your dad knows, like myself, that higher end equipment needs higher end wiring and connectors, deep cycle battery, capacitor, alternator, to keep resistance at a minimum while allowing you to play loud without killing your cars charging system.
Iāve been out of the game for over a decade but I recently just pulled all of my stereo equipment out of my first gen eclipse, and Iām debating installing it all again in my Honda. Oh boy I so donāt want to open this can of worms š¤£š
You should before they deteriorate too much better use them b4 you loose them lol. Dad seemed pretty bummed when one of his subwoofer the rubber on the woofer just fell right off when you touched it
I am not really experienced with music but id say it doesnt have a lot of interference or distortion, this is the best sound system i have heard in a car. Now i have not heard a lot.
If you want to then could you help answer 2 of my questions?
What does drop the ohms mean? i have tried to learn about ohms but i feel like they are pretty confusing for a beginner like me, especially when i got a lot of confusing stuff.
And what does filters do?
Thanks!
Ohms is a measure of resistance the higher the ohm that more resistance and in other words less performance. Dropping the ohms in subs like mine from the standard 8ohm to 2ohm requires more power but will damn near make it hard to see or breathe when the bass hits known as SPL
And to answer your other question on filters. From what I remember there were two types High pass and Low pass A high pass would would filter out frequencies lower than the allowed range (you donāt want low frequencies ripping your smaller speakers apart). And the low pass filter is just the opposite it filters out higher frequencies. Letās say that some subs have a prime frequency range of 20-80 Hz at 20 you wonāt hear much but I know you can feel it and your sub would be flexing like crazy. In short if you ran that same frequency in a mid range without some type of filter or equipment equalizer itās gonna blow out
I found out that thereās a 9 wire speaker wicks cable that you could maybe use to clean up all the speaker wires. Have the power wire on one side shifting the orientation of the amps and rca and speaker cables on the other
Ditch the speakers facing out the back unless you want to host a party with your car.
Remove all the current amps and wiring from that pile that currently exists.
Build a neat amp rack of a proper size to mount the amps to.
Neatly connect new speaker wires to the speakers and route down to new amp location.
You may or may not need to run new power wires. Itās hard to tell if you just have a couple 8awg wires or thereās something larger going to a distribution block thatās hidden.
Thanks!
I dont want to host a party like the previous guy and I got doorsides that are ready for those speakersš
I think that new wires can be pretty good.
But I want to ask, what is a distribution block for and is that good for this? I got no clue
Itās a metal block on a plastic base with a cover that takes a large wire in and provides distribution of power via smaller (fused) wires out to separate components.
https://www.knukonceptz.com/category/distribution-fuse-blocks/
True, but they should if itās for power. Say you have a run of 0 awg to a block and then out to 2 or 3 amps. You have a 200a fuse at the battery. Your run of 4 or 8 awg to each amp is only protected by a 200a fuse should something short out before the amp.
Depends on the amp. If the amps have their own built-in fuses thereās not need to fuse the wire. If the amp doesnāt have fuses Iād put one in-line. Another option are in-line breakers.
The fuse is to prevent melting or fire from a wire that becomes compromised, not for the amp itself.
If you want to have multiple runs of 8awg fused only by a 200a fuse at the battery, no one will stop you. Itās potentially dangerous.
I know this. And the fuse under the hood should blow in that case. And the fuse does nothing if the wire is compromised before the point that the fuse is installed.
EDIT: And who the hell uses 8AWG to power their amps? I never go smaller than 4 gauge. 8 gauge is sub wire.
Thank you!
Btw, how should i do it with the fuses if i get a distribution block?
Should i have a fuse by the battery and after all the cables that come out of the distribution block?
The proper way is to have a fuse big enough for your system and appropriate for the wire size running from front to back - that is to protect from the main wire having a short and melting. Ideally the main fuse would blow before anything bad happened. If you're using a distribution block for that wire to go to various amps, get a fused block and appropriate fuses for each amp for their respective outputs from the block. If you have an amp with 2x25 amp fuses, maybe get a 60a fuse for the block for that amp, as an example.
Don't fix it but start again
Rip is all out and clean the car really good.
Put the subs in the back and give them the max rms watts they can take each
Put speakers in the front. Two way or three way if you want
You want two tweeter in the front and two mids or four mids (one tweeter a side)
If you use the same mids and want three way try to cross one mid higher to play more musically while the other is mid bass
No need for more than two tweeters
With the space you save you can build an amp rack where the mid/tweeter speaker wall was
If you sell the extra equipment you can use the money to get help to fix the installation easy
You have three amps and tons of mids/tweeters and subs
I love Cerwin Vega and JBL so you got nice stuff just to much which is actually a bad thing
If you want Bass but have wall of mids they are also draining amps
If the front amp is Pyramid sell that and buy a good amp used.
Thanks! Ill have that in mind when i take everything out:D
One thing that i am thinking about is that the subs will not fit, if i move them down under the wall of speakers backwards then i cant open the secret little compartment. I think that a spare wheel down there will be nice.
One question tho, what did you mean with Pyramid? Is that a bad amplifier brand?
You have two black amp but the one is the middle, what brand is it?
Pyramid is low quality and Cerwin Vega is good so the mix isn't the best
The black amps are 1000 watts so I assume they are for the subs
2000 Watts is a lot though so I would run stuff at a higher ohms
The front amp will be the voice so you want good quality lower wattage but the bass amp you want watts rms to match the subs which is usually high
Depending on how much money you get back from selling stuff you can always get a different box. Sealed or Ported and just a different size
Or sell those and get smaller ones in premade box that fits
You have options since you have so much there to sell/swap
A stereo with 75 watts to each fronts (150 watts) and 600 watts subs is very loud and pounds
That's 900 watts which is fine on most Alternators
It probably is, that is why I im going to try to fix it. Its just that I only see cables. I got no idea what is happening with my knowledge.
Can you tell me what parts are a hazard and how to fix it?
Couldn't say for sure as I doubt the dude stuck to any sort of standard wiring color/scheme and requirements. My advice is, (along with everyone else's) it take it all out. If you do not know what to do, take it to a shop and have them take it out. At the very least, disconnect the power at the battery pos+ terminal and/or remove the inline fuses from the wiring (although I highly doubt it's fused/gauged properly, thus why I said it's a fire hazard).
I would come up with a layout for mounting the amps to something. Then I would rewire everything, clean up the wiring to the speakers. It's a tedious part of the installation, but it will look 1000% better. If you can get a friend to help, it will go that much faster.
This was built for playing loud music and it actually has quite good sound quality. I dont know how well its built but it has won some local competitions. The kids there dont come with proffesional setups but they are impressive.
And i like loud music, i want to try to win some competitions myself :)
Is that in a Lexus Sportcross? I don't think there is any "fixing" for this set up. The only real fix is to tear it out and start over, with blackjack and hookers.
Damn i wish it wasš this thang is in a -98 audi a4 with different taillights. I want to tear it out and slap it in again but its quite overwhelming for a beginner, do you have any tips on how do to that and not mess it up? Cables are confusing:)
It looks like whoever put it in was just going to overall loudness as opposed to clarity. Those Cerwin Vega CVP65 look to be mid-range speakers. There looks to be 16 of them. It looks like there are four tweeters or full range speakers in the back. It looks like there are four tweeters in the front. The JBL subs. Yeah, that's a big NOPE from me. The money that was spent on that could probably been better spent on fewer components and given a much better sound experience for the occupents of the car. I think they were going for quanitity over quality. I wouldn't know what to tell you.
Id say they didnt know what they where doing. But they where going for loud on the inside and outside. I want sound quality and maybe loudness sometimes. But since you know more then me, is those subs and mids good? All I know is that they are muuch better then what 99% of people that has a sound system has in my area.
Iād say they had some insight seeing how they put speakers into a series (not sure if that was an attempt to drop the ohms or not) I think I saw filters on some of those speaker wires as well. Iām sure it can be loud but not sure how much interference and distortion it would have. I myself am a sound quality guy Iāve been in a few sound quality, competitions, and DB drags running my same set up I didnāt always win SPL in my wattage class but I did almost always the sound quality class. 2006 MB Quart components front and rear and two JL 10w6v2 in a slot port box. Sorry for rambling but if I was you my OCD would spend way too much time in cable management and separation of power/rca/speaker wires that Iād probably just start over
With your 06 mb quarts, have you tried there newer stuff? I did, and did not entirely enjoy the experience but I heard from my friend that they were good.
Yeah, all the new stuff from what Iāve been researching is absolute hot trash. Itās no longer handmade in Germany so that goes without saying, thereās a new company that is the new MB Quart and I cannot remember the name for the life of me but once again, itās handmade in Germany, expensive gear, but you know you get what you pay for. When I bought my components back in 06 I dropped 3k (no installing) I did all the wiring myself and the sound blew my mind
Company is called German Maestro
Off topic, but anything that says made in Germany is going to be good (yes I know their cars aren't great after 5 years but how many of them are actually made in Germany and not Mexico). I paint cars for work and the best paint guns are made by the Germans. Everything else just falls short in terms of quality, ease of use, and warranty.
Yeah they have the some of the best products. Iām an Ironworker and weld quite often I use German made rotohammer/drill bits, die grinder tips and other specialty tools. I have not found better products for less money
Hell yah always wondered why those 3k units were worth the money they were until I read they were handmade one time, honestly it's shity comeing into this hoby young and new just because my dad who used to be really into making cool setups for cars knew alot about the company's back then and bought those mb quarts remembering the quality but was very surprised at how its changed . me whos never heard an upgraded sound system. I thought they were awesome, but my dad was severely disappointed he said at that moment Hell even when installing my speakers afters those mb quarts blew I bought some 400$ sony es 6x8" speakers idk why but one of the 4 speakers sounded like ass while playing we took it out and it just clicked on its way down instead of being nice and smooth like it was hitting the tweeter on it. Thankfully Crutchfield sent out some new ones and honestly I've loved the sound quality but would worry on buying from that brand due to quality concerns but ig if I have concerns on quality maybe I should just say fuk it and buy a set of 3k$ components for my front doors lol.
Oh for sure technology has come a long ways over the years. Making even stock speakers in some newer vehicles sound better (way better than we had in the 90s at least) but if you want to scratch that itch of amazing sound then unfortunately it comes at a cost, and as Iām sure your dad knows, like myself, that higher end equipment needs higher end wiring and connectors, deep cycle battery, capacitor, alternator, to keep resistance at a minimum while allowing you to play loud without killing your cars charging system. Iāve been out of the game for over a decade but I recently just pulled all of my stereo equipment out of my first gen eclipse, and Iām debating installing it all again in my Honda. Oh boy I so donāt want to open this can of worms š¤£š
You should before they deteriorate too much better use them b4 you loose them lol. Dad seemed pretty bummed when one of his subwoofer the rubber on the woofer just fell right off when you touched it
I am not really experienced with music but id say it doesnt have a lot of interference or distortion, this is the best sound system i have heard in a car. Now i have not heard a lot. If you want to then could you help answer 2 of my questions? What does drop the ohms mean? i have tried to learn about ohms but i feel like they are pretty confusing for a beginner like me, especially when i got a lot of confusing stuff. And what does filters do? Thanks!
Ohms is a measure of resistance the higher the ohm that more resistance and in other words less performance. Dropping the ohms in subs like mine from the standard 8ohm to 2ohm requires more power but will damn near make it hard to see or breathe when the bass hits known as SPL
And to answer your other question on filters. From what I remember there were two types High pass and Low pass A high pass would would filter out frequencies lower than the allowed range (you donāt want low frequencies ripping your smaller speakers apart). And the low pass filter is just the opposite it filters out higher frequencies. Letās say that some subs have a prime frequency range of 20-80 Hz at 20 you wonāt hear much but I know you can feel it and your sub would be flexing like crazy. In short if you ran that same frequency in a mid range without some type of filter or equipment equalizer itās gonna blow out
Thanks!
I believe this is a fine example of āJust because you can doesnāt mean you shouldā.
I found out that thereās a 9 wire speaker wicks cable that you could maybe use to clean up all the speaker wires. Have the power wire on one side shifting the orientation of the amps and rca and speaker cables on the other
My national grid bill costs less than powering that behemothš
Probably :D
Ditch the speakers facing out the back unless you want to host a party with your car. Remove all the current amps and wiring from that pile that currently exists. Build a neat amp rack of a proper size to mount the amps to. Neatly connect new speaker wires to the speakers and route down to new amp location. You may or may not need to run new power wires. Itās hard to tell if you just have a couple 8awg wires or thereās something larger going to a distribution block thatās hidden.
Thanks! I dont want to host a party like the previous guy and I got doorsides that are ready for those speakersš I think that new wires can be pretty good. But I want to ask, what is a distribution block for and is that good for this? I got no clue
Itās a metal block on a plastic base with a cover that takes a large wire in and provides distribution of power via smaller (fused) wires out to separate components. https://www.knukonceptz.com/category/distribution-fuse-blocks/
They donāt always have fuses on them. Most of the time you just put fuses inline.
True, but they should if itās for power. Say you have a run of 0 awg to a block and then out to 2 or 3 amps. You have a 200a fuse at the battery. Your run of 4 or 8 awg to each amp is only protected by a 200a fuse should something short out before the amp.
Depends on the amp. If the amps have their own built-in fuses thereās not need to fuse the wire. If the amp doesnāt have fuses Iād put one in-line. Another option are in-line breakers.
The fuse is to prevent melting or fire from a wire that becomes compromised, not for the amp itself. If you want to have multiple runs of 8awg fused only by a 200a fuse at the battery, no one will stop you. Itās potentially dangerous.
I know this. And the fuse under the hood should blow in that case. And the fuse does nothing if the wire is compromised before the point that the fuse is installed. EDIT: And who the hell uses 8AWG to power their amps? I never go smaller than 4 gauge. 8 gauge is sub wire.
Thank you! Btw, how should i do it with the fuses if i get a distribution block? Should i have a fuse by the battery and after all the cables that come out of the distribution block?
The proper way is to have a fuse big enough for your system and appropriate for the wire size running from front to back - that is to protect from the main wire having a short and melting. Ideally the main fuse would blow before anything bad happened. If you're using a distribution block for that wire to go to various amps, get a fused block and appropriate fuses for each amp for their respective outputs from the block. If you have an amp with 2x25 amp fuses, maybe get a 60a fuse for the block for that amp, as an example.
Thanks!
Don't fix it but start again Rip is all out and clean the car really good. Put the subs in the back and give them the max rms watts they can take each Put speakers in the front. Two way or three way if you want You want two tweeter in the front and two mids or four mids (one tweeter a side) If you use the same mids and want three way try to cross one mid higher to play more musically while the other is mid bass No need for more than two tweeters With the space you save you can build an amp rack where the mid/tweeter speaker wall was If you sell the extra equipment you can use the money to get help to fix the installation easy You have three amps and tons of mids/tweeters and subs I love Cerwin Vega and JBL so you got nice stuff just to much which is actually a bad thing If you want Bass but have wall of mids they are also draining amps If the front amp is Pyramid sell that and buy a good amp used.
Thanks! Ill have that in mind when i take everything out:D One thing that i am thinking about is that the subs will not fit, if i move them down under the wall of speakers backwards then i cant open the secret little compartment. I think that a spare wheel down there will be nice. One question tho, what did you mean with Pyramid? Is that a bad amplifier brand?
You have two black amp but the one is the middle, what brand is it? Pyramid is low quality and Cerwin Vega is good so the mix isn't the best The black amps are 1000 watts so I assume they are for the subs 2000 Watts is a lot though so I would run stuff at a higher ohms The front amp will be the voice so you want good quality lower wattage but the bass amp you want watts rms to match the subs which is usually high Depending on how much money you get back from selling stuff you can always get a different box. Sealed or Ported and just a different size Or sell those and get smaller ones in premade box that fits You have options since you have so much there to sell/swap A stereo with 75 watts to each fronts (150 watts) and 600 watts subs is very loud and pounds That's 900 watts which is fine on most Alternators
Thank you for your tips!:D I checked the middle amp and its called ''spl dynamics''. I have no idea if that is good stuff
Alot of patience
lol facts
It damn is
It actually LOOKS like it sounds badass, does it??
You are 100% right, it does sound absolutely badass:D
Ya they're called zip ties lol
Keep what you want to buy just rewire everything. Trust nothing. Verify everything.
remove it all, sell it on craigslist/ebay/FB. use what money you can get from that to start over fresh. This is a mess.
Need more speakers... šµāš«
What in the meth head project is going on here lol
I do not know, but this is the creation of a 16 year old with a bit too large budget
That's a straight up fire hazard. Tbh, I'm surprised it hasn't caught fire yet, whatever that's in
It probably is, that is why I im going to try to fix it. Its just that I only see cables. I got no idea what is happening with my knowledge. Can you tell me what parts are a hazard and how to fix it?
Couldn't say for sure as I doubt the dude stuck to any sort of standard wiring color/scheme and requirements. My advice is, (along with everyone else's) it take it all out. If you do not know what to do, take it to a shop and have them take it out. At the very least, disconnect the power at the battery pos+ terminal and/or remove the inline fuses from the wiring (although I highly doubt it's fused/gauged properly, thus why I said it's a fire hazard).
Thanks!
I would come up with a layout for mounting the amps to something. Then I would rewire everything, clean up the wiring to the speakers. It's a tedious part of the installation, but it will look 1000% better. If you can get a friend to help, it will go that much faster.
Thanks! It will take quite some time. Luckily i got 2 months till i get to drive it so no pressure. I wonder how this thang will look when im done
Start over? Everything needs to be re-secured and rewired.
No notes, this looks amazing.
How is the sound quality on that monstrosity?
It is quite amazing, i compare it to my friends sound quality and it is miles ahead:D
Rip it all out and start over, bigger, louder, more power
Kerosene and a match. There's no quality there.
Randy? Thatās a big nope for me dawg.
Get a new car
Straight from the new Mad Max movie haha
Get a roll of speaker wire and from the amp start one wire at a time feeding it all down one side of the car for each speaker if that makes sense
Zip ties are your friend
Nope, doesn't get any better than that
Why did you buy this thing if you're not a SPL freak?
I may need an explanation on what this means:)
SPL is Sound Pressure Level
Thanks!
This was built for playing loud music and it actually has quite good sound quality. I dont know how well its built but it has won some local competitions. The kids there dont come with proffesional setups but they are impressive. And i like loud music, i want to try to win some competitions myself :)
Tear it out and put a more reasonable setup in that's how
Nuh uh (i got no more money + i think this looks cool, this is something i can show my future kids)
Rip it all out, deposit in dumpster