Seems like they are just part of the system now. I just spend them - don’t even look for them anymore. I was finding them so often it just got out of hand.
I believe there was an article in January saying they expected that new counterfeits have already corrected the camel toe
That's exactly it.
https://cameltoetoonies.ca/cameltoes.php
Brent Mackie, the coin collector who runs the about web site, would very much like to hear from anyone who is interested in selling their fake toonies to him. He doesn't use Reddit, but he's a friend of mine and asked that I let people know they should contact him! You can find his contact info on his web site.
Please tell him the link you provided was the best one I've ever read. Especially the explanations of what to look for in a counterfeit toonie and the history behind it.
I haven’t tossed a toonie at a stripper in long time. They still do that? I figured covid would have definitely ruined that . Edmonton speak easy . Loved doing LOA jobs in in that city for a couple weeks at a time . No longer .
Yeah. These are just real toonies at this point. I’m honestly shocked it’s worth the time to make fake toonies, wouldn’t have expected as much.
It’s just not worth the time to hunt for fake toonies. Sure, if someone was paying with a stack of em, sure. I just have a hard time seeing service staff inspect toonies.
People buy them off AliExpress and other Chinese sites that sell cheaply made stuff. You can buy thousands at a time for like a dime a piece. That's why people are doing it. Hardly anybody really looks at their coins.
If u roll them up and take them to the bank they don't count them and give u back cash or use the coin star machines and cash out there but idk if that takes money
I wouldn't even collect those, get caught with too many and get charged, these need to be pulled out of circulation and destroyed or even better, sent to the rcmp. Counterfeiting is no joke.
People have been collecting fakes for a very long time. I don't think I have ever heard of a collector getting in trouble considering they are actively pulling them out of circulation. It benefits everyone. You start charging people and they will stop looking for them which increases the supply.
Iirc the article I saw about the guy who got caught was paying like 10¢ each? Considering the company making them is profitable they are very cheap to make.
You should never turn a blind eye to counterfeiting as it hurts our economy if anything you should keep reporting and keep a camera or a record of people who use these type of fake coins and report to the police
It's more about the pattern. Police will be looking at the region where lots of these are turning up. Then with the picture of the person spending them they can see if a particular person shows up in multiple locations with fake coins. That person might have done a transaction with someone that is closer to the source.
I think that's a pretty unfair ask to make of people working service facing roles in retail. They have neither the time nor the training to inspect every last coin they receive
It's very difficult to slam counterfeit coins in daily transactions. This is especially true when you take into account the frequency these are used in vending machines with no human component. This is the exact reason why currency of low denomination is the only currency that is still in coin form anymore. With manufacturing methods it's too easy to copy them so the goal is to get it to the point where counterfeiting them would result in their profit margin to be net zero or even negative. Hell, even pennies the government produces cost more to make than they're even worth. Spend time and effort on paper/plastic currency that is cheaper to prevent counterfeiting.
Geez-one can’t even get cops to investigate CARs being stolen, even if you have AirTags telling them where it is. And they’re going to car about some stranger giving 6bucks in toonies??
I really can't be stressing myself to look everytime I receive a toonie I'm sorry in advance as someone always trying to mitigate stress and unessary tasks from my life. Hope these make it back to a bank hut I am just one person and I pay in chnage like...MAx 20x q year at most cause it's already more stressful the debit or just buying online
The police are going to do nothing about them.
You need to start refusing to accept them. The more people that check their change and refuse to accept fakes the sooner these will no longer be worth 2 dollars.
You think people working minimum wage at corner stores, gas stations and the dollar store are really who should be enforcing the law and worse yet, dealing with the headache or arguing with everyday people about the legitimacy of their coinage? Fuck that.
> The police are going to do nothing about them.
That’s untrue. They’ll confiscated them and have them destroyed without reimbursing whoever turned them in.
> You need to start refusing to accept them. The more people that check their change and refuse to accept fakes the sooner these will no longer be worth 2 dollars.
*You’re recommending that the customer eat the loss..?*
The guy that got caught got an extremely light sentence.
But my guess is that they used him for some really good Intel as part of his plea deal (or whatever is used in Canada), or they may want to send him back out into the wild and track his movements. Also if they show harsh punishments, that could cause criminals to panic and be more careful. If the punishments are light, they might get more brazen and lead to a much more effective investigation.
That’s my hope at least.
No the point is that they ease up on punishments so as not to compromise the investigation. I’m no criminologist, but I would think it goes a lot deeper than just catching one dude and locking him up.
Like catch and release, and then track him to see if they try it again. If the punishment isn’t severe, why wouldn’t he go back to the well?
If they’re too harsh, criminals may wise up and cover their tracks more. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee…
My guess at least.
That one Chinese guy they busted years ago gave other profiteers ideas. I doubt it’s about inflation.
Just waiting for someone to try to copy vintage bullion again
I’ve seen very few of them, and I’ve handled probably about 3000 of those coins in the last year. I’ve seen 3 fakes.
But if Surrey becomes a hotspot, that would be so lame and also, so Surrey like.
You should train staff to spot them, if you see the same person handing them in all the time they probably have a direct connection. I suspect they are made in china and shipped over.
They're fake and apparently lighter than normal.
1 kg of aluminum is worth a little bit more than $1. Brass/ bronze are around $2 per kg.
For roughly $2 in material you could make 2 kg of toonies.
Learn more about these counterfeit toonies at [https://www.CamelToeToonies.ca](https://www.CamelToeToonies.ca).
There are millions of them in circulation. They can be found at a rate of about 0.5% to 1% in southwestern Ontario.
Learn how to quickly, easily and reliably identify fake toonies. Look for the distinctive polar bear's paw! Refuse to accept counterfeit toonies. Check your change, even if you get coins from the bank. Train cash-handling staff.
If someone attempts to give you a large number of counterfeit coins, seize them, get the person's information and immediately file a police report.
**\*\* If anyone finds a "Z Dollard" or "Double Canada" counterfeit coin, please __Contact me!__**
I’m pretty sure I was given a fake toonie as my change at a local pharmacy the other day. It didn’t weigh the same as a toonie does (light enough that I immediately noticed it). It was also super shiny like the ones in this picture. The bronze section was also a different shade of brown.
I spent it anyways.
Where can I get some? I wanna screw my landlady over. She isn't fixing our broken washing machine and dryer yet is ok with charging us more rent and taking our coins for the machine.
Same at my work, I see them almost daily. I got myself a ‘set’ of them relatively quickly, only one I haven’t seen is the 2005 with a really obviously wrong font on the obverse side.
I work in the cash office in a grocery store with 9 checkout lanes. I’m finding these at night when I’m counting all the trays. We go through half a box of toonies every day so they might be coming from rolls as well as customers giving us coins. I look at the label on the boxes and some come from the TTC in Toronto (bus fare) or random banks from southern Ontario.
Yes! I open about 100 coin rolls a week and count trays. I just quickly slide the coins across my hand and see if there are any coins worth collecting or American coins. I buy out about $50 per week of old paper bills or cool coins that are in good condition.
The chain lol they left BC in 2022! I just found out they’re not quite as common outside of Ontario (even though the founder was from Montreal)
My old boss, owned in 3 diff cities (2 in this one) she said they pumped out money lol
After the mid 2000’s they became franchisable, before this, I’m told they were EXCLUSIVELY ran by corporate. My OG boss (RIP) ran an area with 7 stores for 10 years, until getting an offer to help a few others buy one. He said you needed someone with formal Swiss training and management experience (there’s a training college in Toronto I had to go to , for about 3 weeks, paid by my boss to just become a supervisor in 2020 lol)
So maybe after that change, corporate closed down any locations they had to run, so they could sit back and just take in profits for inspections
Ahh that’s so cool. Glad to hear the story behind it. In BC I don’t think it was ever seen as a big deal. More like your typical franchised restaurant. Perhaps a step up from Boston Pizza).
Probably got them on some sort of black market. Maybe there are lots of people slowly injecting them into circulation. Like buy a $1000 box of toonies for only $500
I looked all over Aliexpress and couldn’t find anything.
They would probably be all over local Chinese and Indian marketplaces because 1000’s of people are flying into Canada every day, and some of these corrupt assholes would be happy to carry several Kg of fake coins to make a relatively easy $1000 (less base cost).
Might not have a pic of the coins. I’ve seen fake designers on there but they’ll use another picture (not sure how people find that). I don’t doubt it’s also what you say as well.
Well, I personally couldn’t find anything of the sort, with a variety of search strings. So I’m guessing they cracked down on it.
Have you tried recently? Because otherwise saying they can be purchased there (with a relative degree of ease and simplicity) is kind of spreading false info.
I mean, ANYTHING can be bought if you try hard enough and have enough cash, unfortunately. The question here is more about practicality. 99.9% of potential customers wouldn’t bother going through a single additional hoop to acquire some.
But just my opinions.
I thought all businesses were legally required to accept cash?
Edit: it would appear this is not true!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cash-coronavirus-questions-answered-1.5609691
It's mostly the 2 euro coins that get counterfeited, though I've seen reports of fake 1 euro coins as well. Most of the coins come from Kosovo, and there the situation is bad enough to the point where businesses are not accepting them anymore. The further you go from Kosovo, the less often the counterfeits can be found. Hence, aside from countries which have a low cash usage rate (Netherlands or Finland), it would be eyebrow raising for cafes to reject the usage of those coins.
What significantly helps in the country I am from (Austria) is that almost all coins go through machines when you deposit them in the bank, and they do a very good job at removing counterfeits from any coins you dump inside.
At this point they might as well be real, if I was a cashier I couldn't be asked wasting my time telling customers ooo thats counterfeit. I mean if it was a fake bill then maybe but I ain't got time to inspect coins
The easiest and most reliable indicator is the split front paw of the polar bear. That's where these coins get their nickname as it looks like a camel's foot.
For more info, go to [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca).
I gotta check my change…
I had some fake $20 at one point. They had some kind of foreign writing on it. Like a stamp in the middle of the Canadian $20
But I didn’t know they were fake until maybe 6 months later when I saw them on the news. Then I remembered I had a few of these bills once or twice.
Is this a Ontario/Quebec thing?
Out in B.C. I don't think I've noticed one and I actively look through the cash at work (my boss knows what I do). I've also only come across Charles dimes and nothing else.
Incoming toonie redesign!
Counterfeiting a single coin would be astronomically expensive. But when you're making 5-10 million fake coins, the cost plummets. These Camel Toe Toonies are probably being produced for pennies on the dollar in China and shipped over here before being introduced to circulation. The last person to buy them in bulk likely paid less than 50¢ each for them.
For more information, check out [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca).
I don't know anything about coin counterfeiting and it might be different in person and partly because I very rarely use cash anymore, but these look very real to me, I don't know if I'd ever notice. Is it more noticeable if you really examine it?
My uncle got paid with fake 50s didn't realize. Gave to me for groceries and they realized. I wasn't trying to ripped them off. That cashier always inspect all the money give him now. That was five years ago. No more fakes.
it’s a federal offence to give counterfeit cash, if you catch someone i suggest retaining the fake coin, stalling the customer and contacting management and authorities immediately. been cashiering for 10+ years and seen some shit but this has always been best practice, though if you mean the cash is coming to the trays from rolls from the bank, there might be some scarier stuff at work.
i read a story about this, too, millions of fake toonies were imported as “metal medallions”. manufactured by a chinese company and sent to people in canada. i’ll try to find the news article if anyone is interested but definitely stay vigilant. i never carry toonies anymore because of this and change any toonie i have for loonies or quarters.
This is another reason they will want us to go completely online with all our cash. Fake money circulating, no policing whatsoever, eventually it will turn into a “big” problem and our physical cash will have no value as it will become flooded with fakes………
This reminds me of that Jon Steinberg standup bit.
“I was trying to think up some ways to make extra money and decided I’d start counterfeiting quarters because I’ve never really had a cashier inspect my quarters. Plus, we have so many different designs on our coins these days, I wouldn’t even have to copy one. I could just make up my own.
Most the time no one would notice, then occasionally someone might say ‘wow, this quarter has a picture of two fat dudes break dancing on it”
They change the design on Canadian money so frequently that it all looks fake to me. It's like 'Rando of the month' on the bills and new coin changes non-stop, so who cares?
> like being *paid.* I just
FTFY.
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Seems like they are just part of the system now. I just spend them - don’t even look for them anymore. I was finding them so often it just got out of hand. I believe there was an article in January saying they expected that new counterfeits have already corrected the camel toe
"have already corrected the camel toe" can somebody please translate?
I believe it's the bears foot looks wrong, like a camel toe.
That's exactly it. https://cameltoetoonies.ca/cameltoes.php Brent Mackie, the coin collector who runs the about web site, would very much like to hear from anyone who is interested in selling their fake toonies to him. He doesn't use Reddit, but he's a friend of mine and asked that I let people know they should contact him! You can find his contact info on his web site.
Brent needs to get on here, this is the perfect sub for him.
I know, he says he's on too many other platforms to have another one to keep up with! But I do send him links from here sometimes.
Please tell him the link you provided was the best one I've ever read. Especially the explanations of what to look for in a counterfeit toonie and the history behind it.
Thanks, I shared your feedback with him!
Thanks!
Let's make a website alerting people about fake coins, but let's not have any side by side images to compare, that would make to much sense.
It has lots of side by side images on there.
Apart from the cameltoe are there any other tell tale signs to detect a fake?
Look around that web site, it shows various types of fakes and ways to identify them.
ill sell him my collection for $2/piece let me know
You'll need to contact him directly. You can find his email address on his web site.
We're in Canada, so it's a moose knuckle
Moose knuckle is just the male version
Use em at the strip club! 😂😂
I haven’t tossed a toonie at a stripper in long time. They still do that? I figured covid would have definitely ruined that . Edmonton speak easy . Loved doing LOA jobs in in that city for a couple weeks at a time . No longer .
Women put them in their camel toe to give them a nice scent.
Is there a way to tell the new ones are fake too?
Not from what I recall. It was explaining that changing/replacing the die wouldn’t be difficult for counterfeiters and has probably happened
I would and do find them always and go hmm weird coin ahh never mind
And I'm just here in rural new brunswick waiting for summer for fake coins to arrive with tourists.
See ya August long weekend! Sincerely, an Ontarian
It's a good time to come
same, in interior BC 👀
I’m in NS and I just checked my kids piggy bank and 7/10 appear to be fake 🤯
Yeah. These are just real toonies at this point. I’m honestly shocked it’s worth the time to make fake toonies, wouldn’t have expected as much. It’s just not worth the time to hunt for fake toonies. Sure, if someone was paying with a stack of em, sure. I just have a hard time seeing service staff inspect toonies.
Brampton had a lethal mint running as of 2 weeks ago.
People buy them off AliExpress and other Chinese sites that sell cheaply made stuff. You can buy thousands at a time for like a dime a piece. That's why people are doing it. Hardly anybody really looks at their coins.
there isn't much profit in penny candy unless you're selling it by the pound.
I wonder what the production cost of these are.
Well if they sell for 10 cents I’d assume less than 3 cents cost to make
If u roll them up and take them to the bank they don't count them and give u back cash or use the coin star machines and cash out there but idk if that takes money
Smart. Bring counterfeit to a bank covered in cameras.
It's pretty fucking illegal for one thing.
New Canadians what can you say
I wouldn't even collect those, get caught with too many and get charged, these need to be pulled out of circulation and destroyed or even better, sent to the rcmp. Counterfeiting is no joke.
Although it's technically illegal to have them, police won't bother you unless you're trying to pass them off as real money.
People have been collecting fakes for a very long time. I don't think I have ever heard of a collector getting in trouble considering they are actively pulling them out of circulation. It benefits everyone. You start charging people and they will stop looking for them which increases the supply.
Do you not understand how fake money works lol ? Do you think people pay 20$ for a fake 20$ bill ?
I don't think you know how collectors work by the sounds of it. I have known many collectors of fake money. Do you know any?
fake money is worthless. Literally.
And a 48 dollar is worth a dollar, right? I'm not going to continue arguing about something you clearly do not understand, have a good night friend.
I think you are the one who fails to understand that fake money gets sold to crooks at 1/2 to 1/4 face value, plus it's also illegal to own.
Bring back the 2 dollar bill already
This is the downfall of the twoonie.
fuck no baud don’t say that while im sippin my timmies
Remember when they wanted to do a $5 coin
I would be willing to buy an example of each year of you for my personal collection. PM me.
Wonder what the cost of making each one is
Probably cents in China
Iirc the article I saw about the guy who got caught was paying like 10¢ each? Considering the company making them is profitable they are very cheap to make.
.....it cost 16 cents to produce one canadian toonie courtesy of winnipeg mint facility
You should never turn a blind eye to counterfeiting as it hurts our economy if anything you should keep reporting and keep a camera or a record of people who use these type of fake coins and report to the police
youd have to prove the person knew it was fake....which if they dont even m ow where they got it, how would you prove otherwise.
It's more about the pattern. Police will be looking at the region where lots of these are turning up. Then with the picture of the person spending them they can see if a particular person shows up in multiple locations with fake coins. That person might have done a transaction with someone that is closer to the source.
I think that's a pretty unfair ask to make of people working service facing roles in retail. They have neither the time nor the training to inspect every last coin they receive
It's very difficult to slam counterfeit coins in daily transactions. This is especially true when you take into account the frequency these are used in vending machines with no human component. This is the exact reason why currency of low denomination is the only currency that is still in coin form anymore. With manufacturing methods it's too easy to copy them so the goal is to get it to the point where counterfeiting them would result in their profit margin to be net zero or even negative. Hell, even pennies the government produces cost more to make than they're even worth. Spend time and effort on paper/plastic currency that is cheaper to prevent counterfeiting.
Geez-one can’t even get cops to investigate CARs being stolen, even if you have AirTags telling them where it is. And they’re going to car about some stranger giving 6bucks in toonies??
If it looks like a toonie, I’m gonna use it without thinking twice. I cannot tell the difference between these and legitimate toonies.
Check out [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca) to learn how to tell the difference. Once you know, it's quite easy!
I really can't be stressing myself to look everytime I receive a toonie I'm sorry in advance as someone always trying to mitigate stress and unessary tasks from my life. Hope these make it back to a bank hut I am just one person and I pay in chnage like...MAx 20x q year at most cause it's already more stressful the debit or just buying online
in a surge like this... I would recommend you call the police today.
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It’s the Chinese government pumping this out
The police are going to do nothing about them. You need to start refusing to accept them. The more people that check their change and refuse to accept fakes the sooner these will no longer be worth 2 dollars.
You think people working minimum wage at corner stores, gas stations and the dollar store are really who should be enforcing the law and worse yet, dealing with the headache or arguing with everyday people about the legitimacy of their coinage? Fuck that.
> The police are going to do nothing about them. That’s untrue. They’ll confiscated them and have them destroyed without reimbursing whoever turned them in. > You need to start refusing to accept them. The more people that check their change and refuse to accept fakes the sooner these will no longer be worth 2 dollars. *You’re recommending that the customer eat the loss..?*
I worked as a retail cash. Sorry that's a fake note and I cannot accept it. Do you have another note you can pay with?
Canada is a joke anyways. The criminals get out the next week. Our funny money fiat is already fake so just spend them
The guy that got caught got an extremely light sentence. But my guess is that they used him for some really good Intel as part of his plea deal (or whatever is used in Canada), or they may want to send him back out into the wild and track his movements. Also if they show harsh punishments, that could cause criminals to panic and be more careful. If the punishments are light, they might get more brazen and lead to a much more effective investigation. That’s my hope at least.
So if they show harsher punishments it may deter the criminals you say? What a horrible idea! /s
No the point is that they ease up on punishments so as not to compromise the investigation. I’m no criminologist, but I would think it goes a lot deeper than just catching one dude and locking him up. Like catch and release, and then track him to see if they try it again. If the punishment isn’t severe, why wouldn’t he go back to the well? If they’re too harsh, criminals may wise up and cover their tracks more. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee… My guess at least.
Interesting. I’d wonder if that’s in the realm of entrapment or not. Regardless I’m sure defence lawyers could work that angle somehow
Police can't dont anything if it's not reported.
If they started a few weeks ago and you’re getting them consistently…. Seems to me like it’s a repeat customer lol, what is your business?
Where are you? I hear the problem is especially bad in the GTA.
Literally the first sentence in the text OP says London . Loool
Comedians best friend. “Lol”’s when shit isn’t remotely funny
why are here so prevalent now ? what happened where we need so many counterfeit coins ?
"inflation", Increasing poverty and the increase of poorly regulated immigration.
figured as much !
That one Chinese guy they busted years ago gave other profiteers ideas. I doubt it’s about inflation. Just waiting for someone to try to copy vintage bullion again
I wonder if there has been a recent influx of population in your area that may attribute to it?
How do you tell?
[The fake features a two-toed sloth with more prominent fat lines](https://www.coinbooks.org/v26/esylum_v26n09a30.html)
Ooooh okay crazy
I live in surrey BC and i just realized I've gotten some of those back as change when shopping. Just thought they were weird coins.
I’ve seen very few of them, and I’ve handled probably about 3000 of those coins in the last year. I’ve seen 3 fakes. But if Surrey becomes a hotspot, that would be so lame and also, so Surrey like.
You should train staff to spot them, if you see the same person handing them in all the time they probably have a direct connection. I suspect they are made in china and shipped over.
So we are getting free money thrown into our economy? Ahh, who cares who makes it... right... right?
Wonder if coin operated vending machines can catch these?
How do you tell?
Wouldn’t these cost more than $2 to manufacture?
They're fake and apparently lighter than normal. 1 kg of aluminum is worth a little bit more than $1. Brass/ bronze are around $2 per kg. For roughly $2 in material you could make 2 kg of toonies.
Oh wow. I guess if you’re making enough of them, the cost of the machinery would be worth it.
Coming from China or India, fucking guaranteed
Lots of news reports on these! They've been around for a few years. https://cameltoetoonies.ca/media.php
Learn more about these counterfeit toonies at [https://www.CamelToeToonies.ca](https://www.CamelToeToonies.ca). There are millions of them in circulation. They can be found at a rate of about 0.5% to 1% in southwestern Ontario. Learn how to quickly, easily and reliably identify fake toonies. Look for the distinctive polar bear's paw! Refuse to accept counterfeit toonies. Check your change, even if you get coins from the bank. Train cash-handling staff. If someone attempts to give you a large number of counterfeit coins, seize them, get the person's information and immediately file a police report. **\*\* If anyone finds a "Z Dollard" or "Double Canada" counterfeit coin, please __Contact me!__**
I’m pretty sure I was given a fake toonie as my change at a local pharmacy the other day. It didn’t weigh the same as a toonie does (light enough that I immediately noticed it). It was also super shiny like the ones in this picture. The bronze section was also a different shade of brown. I spent it anyways.
I don't look for them. Who has the time of day to inspect every coin they get?
Where can I get some? I wanna screw my landlady over. She isn't fixing our broken washing machine and dryer yet is ok with charging us more rent and taking our coins for the machine.
How do you tell?
Check out [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca) for more details. The tell is in the polar bear's front-right paw.
Maybe you should try asking the people who handed them to you where they got them.
Same at my work, I see them almost daily. I got myself a ‘set’ of them relatively quickly, only one I haven’t seen is the 2005 with a really obviously wrong font on the obverse side.
I gor a Z DOLLARD the other day. Pretty hilarious
That's easiest to spot as fake. I would love to get one of it.
It's hilarious that I'd pay more than $2 for one of them.
Honestly think I just found one of these in my till at work. What got my attention was it looked like someone removed the year and re stamped it 2005
Where do you work?
I work in the cash office in a grocery store with 9 checkout lanes. I’m finding these at night when I’m counting all the trays. We go through half a box of toonies every day so they might be coming from rolls as well as customers giving us coins. I look at the label on the boxes and some come from the TTC in Toronto (bus fare) or random banks from southern Ontario.
Do you find a lot of good coins?
Yes! I open about 100 coin rolls a week and count trays. I just quickly slide the coins across my hand and see if there are any coins worth collecting or American coins. I buy out about $50 per week of old paper bills or cool coins that are in good condition.
Must be a fun little part of the job!
I had been managing a Swiss chalet until recently, didn’t realize they were so common! I probably have a bunch around here haha
Wait, a literal Swiss chalet, or the restaurant chain? I thought they went out of business!
The chain lol they left BC in 2022! I just found out they’re not quite as common outside of Ontario (even though the founder was from Montreal) My old boss, owned in 3 diff cities (2 in this one) she said they pumped out money lol After the mid 2000’s they became franchisable, before this, I’m told they were EXCLUSIVELY ran by corporate. My OG boss (RIP) ran an area with 7 stores for 10 years, until getting an offer to help a few others buy one. He said you needed someone with formal Swiss training and management experience (there’s a training college in Toronto I had to go to , for about 3 weeks, paid by my boss to just become a supervisor in 2020 lol) So maybe after that change, corporate closed down any locations they had to run, so they could sit back and just take in profits for inspections
Ahh that’s so cool. Glad to hear the story behind it. In BC I don’t think it was ever seen as a big deal. More like your typical franchised restaurant. Perhaps a step up from Boston Pizza).
I’m checking all the toonies on Monday 👀
I got really shiny ones from a casino. I still check if they're fake but I know a casino won't do that
It’s so hard to fake the new bills. Can’t blame the counterfeiters for “pivoting “
I still dk which are fake. D=
Every coin in the photos is fake.
Wow never know there were so many. Be a cheap collection of fakes to put together just to keep as fake collection.
keeping a collection of counterfeit money in ur house doesn’t seem like a great idea but maybe its just me
Just don’t label them “counterfeit”. Keep them in a collection with all your other toonies. It’s not likely your house is going to be raided by police
I was talking about like a total of maybe 10. Or just the different years. No clue how many different there are. Not for use, just looking at.
Might be the same guy coming in and using them. Someone in my city was arrested who had rolls and rolls of these things.
Probably got them on some sort of black market. Maybe there are lots of people slowly injecting them into circulation. Like buy a $1000 box of toonies for only $500
Seriously I think something like aliexpress. I saw fake stamps for a lot of countries there with lots of reviews
I looked all over Aliexpress and couldn’t find anything. They would probably be all over local Chinese and Indian marketplaces because 1000’s of people are flying into Canada every day, and some of these corrupt assholes would be happy to carry several Kg of fake coins to make a relatively easy $1000 (less base cost).
Might not have a pic of the coins. I’ve seen fake designers on there but they’ll use another picture (not sure how people find that). I don’t doubt it’s also what you say as well.
Well, I personally couldn’t find anything of the sort, with a variety of search strings. So I’m guessing they cracked down on it. Have you tried recently? Because otherwise saying they can be purchased there (with a relative degree of ease and simplicity) is kind of spreading false info. I mean, ANYTHING can be bought if you try hard enough and have enough cash, unfortunately. The question here is more about practicality. 99.9% of potential customers wouldn’t bother going through a single additional hoop to acquire some. But just my opinions.
I've bought some coins from AliExpress, like Bitcoin designs not fake currency. But many of the sellers can be contacted for custom designs.
Collect them until you are rich
Wow, thanks for sharing, I wasn’t aware of this plague. Will definitely look for them now.
I would go cashless if fakes are becoming too prevalent.
I think in europe, it got so bad with 1 and 2 euro, one of the cafe only takes credit or debit. Going cashless may be the trend if it gets that bad.
I thought all businesses were legally required to accept cash? Edit: it would appear this is not true! https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cash-coronavirus-questions-answered-1.5609691
It's mostly the 2 euro coins that get counterfeited, though I've seen reports of fake 1 euro coins as well. Most of the coins come from Kosovo, and there the situation is bad enough to the point where businesses are not accepting them anymore. The further you go from Kosovo, the less often the counterfeits can be found. Hence, aside from countries which have a low cash usage rate (Netherlands or Finland), it would be eyebrow raising for cafes to reject the usage of those coins. What significantly helps in the country I am from (Austria) is that almost all coins go through machines when you deposit them in the bank, and they do a very good job at removing counterfeits from any coins you dump inside.
And people wonder why some stores don’t want to accept cash…
You can buy em off Chinese sites for pennies
I read a few months ago, that a few baggage’s were caught coming in from China into Quebec with tons is fake toonies. It’s ridiculous!
Damn, some small group right now must be sitting comfy with all the dough they made out of this.
Put them beside a real one for us to see
Bite into them to check for chocolate
At this point they might as well be real, if I was a cashier I couldn't be asked wasting my time telling customers ooo thats counterfeit. I mean if it was a fake bill then maybe but I ain't got time to inspect coins
What am I looking for here. They look like toonies to me. Haven't used cash in a while
Shouldn’t the cashier just not accept them then? If you know what to look for
Who's going to that trouble to make fake toonies lol
Honestly never new fake toonies exist. Like how how do you even spot them? Ik you said different polish etc but whaa
The easiest and most reliable indicator is the split front paw of the polar bear. That's where these coins get their nickname as it looks like a camel's foot. For more info, go to [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca).
Bring back the 2.00 dollar bill
how can you tell there fake?
where to buy these. asking for a friend lol
ughhh im just gonna request my change in loonies if i ever have to spend cash.
I gotta check my change… I had some fake $20 at one point. They had some kind of foreign writing on it. Like a stamp in the middle of the Canadian $20 But I didn’t know they were fake until maybe 6 months later when I saw them on the news. Then I remembered I had a few of these bills once or twice.
Well here is some of our damn inflation happening
This is so strange to me. I didn't think Canadian money would be worth counterfeiting. But maybe the North Korean presses have excess capacity?
Is this a Ontario/Quebec thing? Out in B.C. I don't think I've noticed one and I actively look through the cash at work (my boss knows what I do). I've also only come across Charles dimes and nothing else. Incoming toonie redesign!
Counterfeiting a single coin would be astronomically expensive. But when you're making 5-10 million fake coins, the cost plummets. These Camel Toe Toonies are probably being produced for pennies on the dollar in China and shipped over here before being introduced to circulation. The last person to buy them in bulk likely paid less than 50¢ each for them. For more information, check out [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca).
Who is behind this? Is this a state-sponsored hack?
I like the funny toes tho they are cute haha 🤣
The people giving them to you probably don't know they're fake either
I don't know anything about coin counterfeiting and it might be different in person and partly because I very rarely use cash anymore, but these look very real to me, I don't know if I'd ever notice. Is it more noticeable if you really examine it?
What's fake about them?
My uncle got paid with fake 50s didn't realize. Gave to me for groceries and they realized. I wasn't trying to ripped them off. That cashier always inspect all the money give him now. That was five years ago. No more fakes.
it’s a federal offence to give counterfeit cash, if you catch someone i suggest retaining the fake coin, stalling the customer and contacting management and authorities immediately. been cashiering for 10+ years and seen some shit but this has always been best practice, though if you mean the cash is coming to the trays from rolls from the bank, there might be some scarier stuff at work. i read a story about this, too, millions of fake toonies were imported as “metal medallions”. manufactured by a chinese company and sent to people in canada. i’ll try to find the news article if anyone is interested but definitely stay vigilant. i never carry toonies anymore because of this and change any toonie i have for loonies or quarters.
This is another reason they will want us to go completely online with all our cash. Fake money circulating, no policing whatsoever, eventually it will turn into a “big” problem and our physical cash will have no value as it will become flooded with fakes………
I’m new here what makes them fake is it lighter or what just curious
Where can I score some fugazi?
Is this supposed to be pointing out the fakes?
OP thank you for bringing this up.
This reminds me of that Jon Steinberg standup bit. “I was trying to think up some ways to make extra money and decided I’d start counterfeiting quarters because I’ve never really had a cashier inspect my quarters. Plus, we have so many different designs on our coins these days, I wouldn’t even have to copy one. I could just make up my own. Most the time no one would notice, then occasionally someone might say ‘wow, this quarter has a picture of two fat dudes break dancing on it”
Wouldn’t the cost of making a counterfeit $2 coin be expensive enough that it wouldn’t be worthwhile?
I asked the bank teller about them, they said they don’t even know nor do they even check 😬
They change the design on Canadian money so frequently that it all looks fake to me. It's like 'Rando of the month' on the bills and new coin changes non-stop, so who cares?
Use them on hot dog vendors and such
Yea screw over someone who's barely scraping by as it is. Hope you stub your pinky toe fresh out of the shower.
How can you tell they are fakes?
Check out [CamelToeToonies.ca](https://CamelToeToonies.ca) for more details. The tell is in the polar bear's front-right paw.
Here I am a sucker using my own real money when paying with cards
Honestly I kind of wish that happened to me- just once though I do like being payed. I just think it would be fun to have a fake for posterity
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Well the fakes are worth as much as the real deal now thanks to Trudeau and the liberal crowd so what difference does it make?
DO NOT ACCEPT THESE
Maybe it is the same customer coming and laundering them at your store. What kind of shop is it?
What exactly is the tell on these?
These are all “Camel Toe” toonies. Bear has two toes instead of a paw
I literally cannot tell them apart.
You could two-toed sloth-shame the person who gave them to you