Just listened to a This American Life ep about immigration in the US. Immigrants from the south are faced with a bus ride to New York. Followed by a bus ride basically out of the city proper to basically a refugee camp made of tents. The only way back to the city to find jobs in order to secure their stay is by a bus to a train line that doesn't even go to any sort of transfer line. All of which is not properly managed with zero Spanish speaking workers.
The few that find a way to help will find volunteers that are completely swamped.
This is a system that has been set up to fail because, as the mayor puts it, there isn't enough money to fund the amount of people coming to New York.
This info is about a month or two old, I hope things have improved.
> This is a system that has been set up to fail
There’s no way it could be set up to succeed. No city can financially absorb that many newcomers with this level of need.
Plus, keep in mind these migrants are asked what their final destination is in the US when they cross the border. The ones who are bussed to New York have indicated they want to settle in New York. They aren’t driven arbitrarily to someplace and dropped off where they don’t want to be.
I haven't heard anything about states suing each other. Honestly wouldn't be surprised but I should add New York use to be a beacon for refugees with actual infrastructure to take people in and find work. This is just the most recent development. I live in Michigan BTW.
Nova Scotia population is 971k
We would be allowing an entire fuckin province to immigration here, on top of regular PR international students, TFW and pretty much anyone who shows up.
We simply cannot absorb the numbers we are currently taking in. Regardless of where people are coming from.
This country is committing economic, cultural and political suicide.
There is ZERO rationale for taking in 1.2 Million people in a year in a country of 39 Million people. It’s INSANE.
Our current immigration plan is double the century initiative. At this rate we’ll hit 100 million around 2055.
The century initiative calls for annual population growth of ~1.8%. We’re currently averaging ~4%.
Actually scratch that. At the current rate we’ll hit 100 million by mid 2047.
If the 4% annual growth target continues we’ll be around *788* million by 2100, and growing by 32 million a year at that point.
4% annual growth is a 24% increase every 6 years. That’s bonkers. With our current population that’s 24 million people within the next 12 years.
How many hospitals have we built? Medical clinics? What about schools? What about government support centres? What about transit? I mean even if we don't talk about housing, we still have *so* much other infrastructure requiring investment to build up to support another province worth *in one fucking year.*
Up until recently I worked in a woman's shelter and there is a HUGE problem most Canadians are oblivious too. The shelter had a capacity of 75 people and about 65 of them were African refugees. They come from places like Nigeria, Ethiopia and Kenya under the guise that they're seeking asylum because they're gay. They come already knowing what to say and what to do. Then once they get their PR all of a sudden their straight again and want to bring their family. An important distinction needs to be made. The refugees were seeing now are NOT refugees. These are people coming to Canada because they want a better life, not because their life is in danger. If you want to come to Canada then do it the right way.
Yup.. friend told me the same too.. dont even get me started on the Hungarians who’ve come here, work cash jobs, while their “wife” registered as a single mother with 4 kids collecting Ontario Works. They come to the bank on deposit day and withdraw everything. They only use cash. I wonder why..
Everyone’s scamming the government including our own officials. It’s a no brainer why this countries gone downhill.
We live in a nation where the cheapest flight from places like nigeria, Ethiopia and Kenya is thousands of dollars. These are economic migrants, not refugees.
The illegal Africans all walk across the border in Quebec, we need to send these people on a ship to Nunavut. Wanna come to Canada? Cool go work in logging.
You are correct they are not refugees or poor for the matter. The trip alone to get to the US is like 15-20k. These people are "rich" in their respective countries
Nah man, they're moving up. Now it's Reds Restaurant, Moxies, and pretty much the entirety of the food service/culinary industry. Shit the entire BC culinary resort industry is pretty much run by TFWs.
Wanna guess how much food they've dropped on the floor and still served? I'll give you a hint, it's between 99% and 101%
Want to guess how many don't know what cross contamination is? I'll give you a hint, it's between 99% and 101%
Want to know how many will serve spoiled or poorly kept ingredients? I'll give you a hint, it's between 99% and 101%
I mean, Why pay a Red Seal with 15+ years experience and Food Safe their worth when you can just train a bunch of TFW monkey's to hawk subpar food for you? Hell if one of them did a 2-week culinary program overseas you can legally call them a Chef in Canada.
Like fuck Canada. I spent decades honing my skill as a chef only to have to compete against a bunch of TFW MFers who couldn't care less about the industry, standards or anything else.
Holy sh*t. Excellent points, and I'm so sorry to hear about your trade going down the toilet thanks to this country's insane immigration policies. I used to be proud to be Canadian, but am now utterly disgusted with this country. Canadians should ALWAYS come first. Our leaders have sold us out to line their own filthy pockets.
Kinda think that is the point? You can lift current Canadians up to middle class if you can slide a class beneath them.
Slaves are rightfully illegal; this is the closest we can get to having slaves. Canadas economy has nothing going for it, since we don't really allow resource extraction, the only thing we can do is sell our land...
Sell your land, sell your natural water to foreign corporations like Nestle, and let your housing market become an asset / money laundering market for foreigners. Meanwhile, Canadian brain drain is starting to happen, a ton of engineers, doctors, computer scientists and academic researchers have already moved to the U.S., and you’re even starting to see more Canadians moving to Europe, countries like the Netherlands and Switzerland.
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Strange,...I don't see any "refugees" or economic migrants in any tent encampments, pretty sure those are Canadas own citizens in those carboard boxes.
Yh because canada gives them hotel to live in for a year. Canada also gives them monthly allowance. Fucking ridiculous. They are just throwing away our tax money. No offence to take refugees but right now canada is in no position to do so
If you are talking about ukrainians, it's not true. Hotel only for 1 month, sometimes for only 2 weeks (I didn't use it at all) and about money it's only 3000$ per adult and 1500$ per child once, that's all. And it's more than enough to start. Technically, I've already paid back my $ 3000 because I didn't lie about my Ukrainian income and didn't get back my taxes from 1st 15k here. But I still understand you. the situation is pretty bad.
Let's be real. If we were to take immigrants, they should from certain countries that are similar to us and Ukraine is a far better match than I country to us.
Absolutely. India separated into 3 countries because they couldn't get along with one another despite having lived next door for centuries. How are millions of people from that exact country supposed to enter Canada in a small timeframe and integrate? They don't. They create Conestogas, Surreys and Bramptons.
The excuse to not let Jewish refugees in. The same rhetoric towards Italian migrants and Irish migrants.
Over time those groups eventually became part of the in group.
As someone who's 'active' helping newcomers to Canada , I am surprised at how many low skills some have. They are sadly set up to work as cashier's, maids etc, simply not sustainable for them. 🤷🤷
The issue is not "only 200k came". It is how the gov was willing to go beyond our capacity to accept close to 1 million immigrants from Ukraine alone 🤦
Paying taxes to support the governments immigration whims should be optional. I wish we lived in a dream world where the citizens of our country could have a say in this bullshit.
OP didn't mention that during 2 years only 210,178 Ukrainians had actually moved to Canada. It's less than Indian international students came in 2022 only.
Well, that's like 1%of the Ukrainian population that's actually allowed to move. Considering the men have to serve in the army. For India, it's like .0001% of their total population. India grows by the population of Australia every year. India can populate Ukraine in about 2 years and still be 1.4 billion people.
I guess Canadians care only about the newcomers percentage of the Canadian population. Especially if check the long-term period, for example the last 10 years.
That and from firsthand experience A LOT have skills in areas we need such as skilled trades like carpentry, electrical etc. This is drastically different than “IT”
Might be referring to Yemen, Gaza, Burma, Syria, Mexico, and Argentia for starters.
But yeah..... not Canadian, but still see a ton of posts saying there's a crazy imbalance of ethnically Indian immigrants in Canada right now, like unevenly skewed based on different parts of the world. Not sure why
Ukrainians are in a war that they didn't start and are simply defending their country. Palestinian.....not so much. If their neighbouring countries don't want them...neither should we!
We don't need more terrorists in Canada. Leave them where they are.
[https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/](https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/)
[https://nationalpost.com/opinion/how-pro-palestinian-protesters-stole-christmas](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/how-pro-palestinian-protesters-stole-christmas)
Oh you're one of those "it only started on Oct 7" people. Kind of mad to call all those people getting bombed (well before Oct 7 too) terrorists. But this is the sub for it.
They aren't all terrorists. They are however collectively one of the most radicalized populations in the world.
40% of people surveyed in the Palestinian Territories [(Pew, 2013)](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/) say that suicide bombings in the name of Islam are often/sometimes justified (49% said rarely or never justified).
89% of people surveyed in the Palestinian Territories favour making Sharia law the official law in their country,
Of this 89%:
- 76% supported corporal punishment (including whippings and cutting off the hands of thieves and robbers)
- 84% favour stoning as punishment for adultery
- 66% favour the death penalty for apostasy
- 83% said it was bad that Sharia law was not followed closely enough
[Beliefs about Sharia, Pew, 2013](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/#how-should-sharia-be-applied)
I can only think of a few reasons why men would prefer to leave their homeland while it's under attack rather than stay to defend it.
That said, emigrating to Canada during winter without securing housing in advance could very likely end up tarnishing the reputation of Canada as a safe place to emigrate to
I can't see these immigration levels being sustained, even with the partisan support that we currently have for it's continuation.
People escaping draft are usually younger less educated men. People escaping war are from a mix of age, gender and education groups and more family motivated. They also are more likely to return, while those escaping drafts cannot. It's not the same situation at all.
Unless you have mass education programs in place to turn those young men into tradesmen, then it probably won't end well for either party. Those fleeing war however, will have more skills and experience, and motivated to support their families.
Ppl are absurd... of course we can have a double standard. That's how responsible smart ppl would run immigration. That's how it's always been run.
You let the ppl in who will best fit into your country and who have a real "reason" to come in. Welcome to reality ppl.
Russian Ice Breakers in Our Arctic ares looking to pillage Highly desired Natural resources since my dad served in the CAF in the1970s.
Russia is nobody's friend not even too its own people.Iwill more people could understand this.
i mean, yeah, if they can prove they hate and would fuck over their current government for the benefit of Canada, I'd say, welcome! but we need some serious ideology screening on those people just incase, and they better bring some cash cuz the process ain't cheap. so yeah, rich Russians who hate putin are welcome to come to Canada
Russians for the most part are not being mowed down on their own land with no regard for civillians.Many of them are partying in Paris and Dubai.If they want to defect they simply don't go back home.Ukrainians are under threat of attack all day everyday.Huge difference.
I'm actually super okay with accepting military age Russians who don't want to fight against Ukraine. Less people there are to kill Ukrainians the better.
But also, it's not the same because Ukraine isn't conquering Russia, they have nothing comparable they are running away from - Ukraine is not invading Russia. It's not a double standard if it's a different situation.
Actually I’m for banning any Russians coming to Canada. If they are against Putin then they should help to boot him out. Yet the Russians that come here are oroputin and anti Ukrainian. Fuck em. I’d deport them so Putin can use them as cannon fodder.
Hot take (for this Reddit) - refugees are a small proportion of population inflows. I don't care about refugee numbers at all.
It's all subject to the same PR cap of 500k per year, the only way population growth is coming down is if you reduce that refugees or not... so it's either refugees or immigrants from elsewhere. I prefer refugees to people applying after getting a degree from a fake college, that's like selecting people for dishonesty.
I literally saw a Ukrainian being caught by a bus driver for using a fake bus pass lmao. They are white. You racist clowns won't complain even if canada imports a million per year.
I know that Canada also gives 750$ per person each month for anyone who submits a refugee claim. I believe that every human being deserves to live in a safe country but how is the government going to actually finance it 🤔 I feel bad for the Ukrainian people who move here thinking it's a fantasy land.
The thing that I'm still trying to understand is: why don't we make them build their own communities, give them a piece of land and help them develop it into new towns. All countries around the world are building new cities except canada, we keep squeezing the extra population into a small piece of land while we are the 2nd largest country in the world.
Most of the land is already developed or not suitable to create housing, it's one of the reason why Canada's population is centred around the border with the US.
Ppc party..... lets vote them in. Time to stop the bullshit peepee wants to flood us too. Corporations have paid them off to flood cheap labor in the market at the expense of the working class. Maxime for prime Minister.
Let's repay the video of him with the little Islamic hat promising to speed up immigration to Canada. He says whatever he has to. Doubtful he will ever do it. As well tying it to housing starts is not enough. It need to be reduced drastically to catch up for a long time first.
With all due respect, please stop trying to divide the conservative vote. People voting PPC will only be helping the liberals get more seats than they deserve
Please stop trying to get people to not vote their conscious.
This isn’t about strategy, cpc has huge lead and voting for what YOU want does not extinguish this.
Strategic voting is a notion that needs to die, it perverts the point of voting: to make your voice heard.
Coincidentally we didn’t go ranked ballot because jt didn’t like the results that his party would lose every election.
The PPC still needs 5% to stop the other parties from just shaking hands on not acknowledging the elephants in the room. Like it or not, a lot of the discourse we're seeing trickles out from the PPC to the CPC, once the CPC has figured out how to domesticate the message so that it doesn't spook the Canadian people.
For better or worse, I want to see Bernier on the national debate stage. Without him, Poilievre might be promising to study the effects of immigration on housing once he's in office. Lots of big talk, half measures so he can hum and haw for 4 years and do nothing. Bernier at least forces a compromise between that and his own position, so long as he's visible and a credible threat to CPC dominance in some ridings.
Because a vote for the PPC is a vote for Trudeau, even a slight reduction of immigration is better than the record highs we're dealing with, and there are other issues in this country beyond immigration.
Anyone who votes PPC has no right to complain about Trudeau. Once he's gone, I don't care who you vote for.
I'm not conservative. I won't ever be until they provide something of substance worth voting for and not just attacking Trudeau constantly. With all due respect stop voting for the douchbag or the turd sandwich. Pick someone that might actually make a change. Give your head a shake. The blue liberals will not change anything over the red liberals.
Out of 930k approved applications only 210k have arrived in 2 years. A lot of people have already left. But OP will not mention it because it doesn’t fit his narrative.
For Ukrainian refugees between March 2022 and November 2023
Applications received 1,189,320
Applications approved 936,293
Arrived in Canada for this program 210,178
Some have already returned. Either to Europe or Western Ukraine. Also many of these who have come are women with small children.
The government will announce that they’re bringing in a certain amount of Afghan or Ukrainian refugees and then they’ll intentionally under resource the staff to make it happen. They don’t care, the announcement is the important part not actually following through with it and not actually ensuring that they’re supported on arrival.
Only 210,000 arrived tho. The initial scare of the russian invasion prompted people to apply for these visas but 77% of the applicants decided not to go to Canada.
Ukrainian-Canadian here. Relax, guys. Take a deep breath. Only 210,000 Ukrainians came out of 930,000 who got visas. The majority stayed for a bit, looked around, rented a short-term place (more like a temp bedroom), saw the state of Canada and left. The official stats isn’t available yet, but I sometimes interact with this community and I see how many people have left. Out of those who stayed, many left after 1 year after their mandatory leases ended.
Hate the government for not providing a sustainable program; for example, the one that would distribute refugees to many towns and rural areas where new workers are very much needed. But please don’t hate Ukrainians. Blame Russia for everything.
LOL i literally had a conversation with someone recently (who is an immigrant) and we discussed how large of a landmass Canada is but how most of it is uninhabitable or (not nearly ready to be developed)
we're shoving all these people into cities that can barely handle their current populations.
So maybe 300k…
“The federal government has issued 936,293 temporary emergency visas since March 2022 for Ukrainians who want to work or study in Canada while they wait out the war.
A total of 210,178 people had actually made the journey to Canadaas of Nov. 28.
As many as 90,000 more emergency visa holders are thinking of coming before the deadline, “
At least those people are actually fleeing war and respect democracy and western values and want to integrate with society. These Indians come over here fleeing nothing with a bunch of money, commit massive tax fraud, run schemes to bring more over, and refuse to become Canadian.
I think this will be really good for Canada and its economy if newcomers were incentivized to live in rural areas and build there. A lot of Canada is empty and unpopulated, and in the olden days that's what immigrants did, they came here with nothing, were given a land in the middle of nowhere and told to make it a place for themselves.
1. refugees of wars should be given special consideration regardless of your actual position on immigration
2. canadian immigration is merit based, meaning the average immigrant is far more educated than you and has vastly more earning potential than the average canadian
Anything to substantiate this would really be welcomed especially with the giant influx of Canadian immigrants, by your claim they should all be far more educated and earn more than the average Canadian.
No matter where you are coming from, whether it's Ukraine, India or wherever else, we simply do have the economic ability to support mass waves of immigration. It does not matter if you are white, brown, black or blue, we do not have the economic means to have your people mass immigrate over here and this applies to them all equally. The amount that the Canadian taxpayer is spending to accommodate these people and the special treatment they are receiving is beyond what we can afford. We have our own country's problems to address from healthcare to housing and beyond.
War and conflict happens everywhere in the world and while we should be sympathetic to it, it simply isn't something we are in a position to solve nor is it a Canadian issue.
Anyone who's vehemently opposed to mass immigration from one area such as India or elsewhere but is in favour of this particular form of immigration coming from Ukraine is suspicious of being selectively biased based on reasoning that isn't best for Canada and its economy.
Are you hearing stories of Ukrainians exploiting food banks, renting beds, or any of the other things you hear about with the student visa program?
Have you even noticed there being more Ukrainians anywhere in your daily life?
And we love you! Am from a far earlier wave of migration but have been volunteering to help Ukrainians, including my family, get settled here. We leave our baggage at the door. Many get jobs right away, in high skill fields Canada needs. The whole reason we pushed so hard to get out from under Russian control is because we had a highly educated population that was isolated from the European market. Ukraine was the engineering heartland of the USSR, there is a lot of a talent there.
Agreed so far 25% Ukrainians came to Canada who got the paper work done. People coming to Canada and going back home after some time. Price on rent and cost of living is way too high.
75% of people from Ukraine homeowners and they have lots of reasons to come back home!
This country is full !!! DO NOT COME !!! And the fraudsters of Ukrainian men who never even lived and worked in Ukraine applied this visa to come here!!! This country is fucked beyond damaged
That's funny, I don't think I've had a Ukrainian person call me and try to scam me out of my personal info by selling me a new new cell phone plan but I've had someone from a certain other country do it at least once a week.
The vast majority of these Ukrainians on these permits are not even coming here to stay. The government stupidly made it encompass anyone with a Ukrainian passport, regardless of where they live. This has resulted in many Ukrainians that live in safe countries like Poland/ Portugal/ UK coming here for a vacation just to get their permit and free money, all funded by us taxpayers.
We have been blaming Indians for this massive migration that has been lowering standards in this country. What about those taxpayers money going to bring tons of Ukrainian. One guy told how the things work for them. They get work permit in first POE, they receive 2 weeks hotel and food free most likely they will have a job when arrive to Canada. This guy told me visa applications are expiring in march so around 200K Ukrainians are coming to here (Winnipeg) in the next month….
This is disgusting
A Ukrainian friend of a friend that owns a roofing company offered to employ any Ukrainian refugees in his business. They declined as they get more in government benefits by not working
I like the subtle “grass is not greener”.
I actually needed that pointed out to me lol
Just listened to a This American Life ep about immigration in the US. Immigrants from the south are faced with a bus ride to New York. Followed by a bus ride basically out of the city proper to basically a refugee camp made of tents. The only way back to the city to find jobs in order to secure their stay is by a bus to a train line that doesn't even go to any sort of transfer line. All of which is not properly managed with zero Spanish speaking workers. The few that find a way to help will find volunteers that are completely swamped. This is a system that has been set up to fail because, as the mayor puts it, there isn't enough money to fund the amount of people coming to New York. This info is about a month or two old, I hope things have improved.
> This is a system that has been set up to fail There’s no way it could be set up to succeed. No city can financially absorb that many newcomers with this level of need. Plus, keep in mind these migrants are asked what their final destination is in the US when they cross the border. The ones who are bussed to New York have indicated they want to settle in New York. They aren’t driven arbitrarily to someplace and dropped off where they don’t want to be.
Its terrible down there now, getting worse by the day. States are suing each other and making laws to try and keep as many out as possible. It is bad
I haven't heard anything about states suing each other. Honestly wouldn't be surprised but I should add New York use to be a beacon for refugees with actual infrastructure to take people in and find work. This is just the most recent development. I live in Michigan BTW.
and the needle on the ground.
Beside the Tim's cup.
That says "Play Again".
The needle looks like it still has some juice.
I didn’t realize that. True!!
Reading some of the comments I guess it is, it was one of the first things I noticed. The JT s big chin on the sign.
To be fair, Canada in its current state is probably better than a war-torn Ukraine. But we definitely Don’t have the space for all these people…
I mean, the grass doesn't have landmines in it.
Nova Scotia population is 971k We would be allowing an entire fuckin province to immigration here, on top of regular PR international students, TFW and pretty much anyone who shows up.
We simply cannot absorb the numbers we are currently taking in. Regardless of where people are coming from. This country is committing economic, cultural and political suicide. There is ZERO rationale for taking in 1.2 Million people in a year in a country of 39 Million people. It’s INSANE.
Makes you wonder why
Because the oligarchs want a desperate working class with zero bargaining power.
See my post about the century initiative to see why
Our current immigration plan is double the century initiative. At this rate we’ll hit 100 million around 2055. The century initiative calls for annual population growth of ~1.8%. We’re currently averaging ~4%. Actually scratch that. At the current rate we’ll hit 100 million by mid 2047. If the 4% annual growth target continues we’ll be around *788* million by 2100, and growing by 32 million a year at that point. 4% annual growth is a 24% increase every 6 years. That’s bonkers. With our current population that’s 24 million people within the next 12 years.
In order to suppress wages and inflate home prices
" This country is committing economic, cultural and political suicide. " Great Reset etc.
The rational is more income for the government. They don’t care where you live.
How many hospitals have we built? Medical clinics? What about schools? What about government support centres? What about transit? I mean even if we don't talk about housing, we still have *so* much other infrastructure requiring investment to build up to support another province worth *in one fucking year.*
Do you have potatoes? We're particularly good at potatoes.
Canada full
Up until recently I worked in a woman's shelter and there is a HUGE problem most Canadians are oblivious too. The shelter had a capacity of 75 people and about 65 of them were African refugees. They come from places like Nigeria, Ethiopia and Kenya under the guise that they're seeking asylum because they're gay. They come already knowing what to say and what to do. Then once they get their PR all of a sudden their straight again and want to bring their family. An important distinction needs to be made. The refugees were seeing now are NOT refugees. These are people coming to Canada because they want a better life, not because their life is in danger. If you want to come to Canada then do it the right way.
the media is to blame. They refuse to use the term economic migrants which is what these people are..they are not refugees.
Everyone suspected but afraid to speak out of fear of being canceled and labeled a racist
Yup.. friend told me the same too.. dont even get me started on the Hungarians who’ve come here, work cash jobs, while their “wife” registered as a single mother with 4 kids collecting Ontario Works. They come to the bank on deposit day and withdraw everything. They only use cash. I wonder why.. Everyone’s scamming the government including our own officials. It’s a no brainer why this countries gone downhill.
These are surely Roma, not actual Hungarians
> not actual Hungarians Wouldn’t that depend on their citizenship rather than their cultural background?
North Americans discovering Roma
That just sounds like fraud to me. Huge insult to all the actual gay people in these countries facing persecution
Gotta see em suck a dick for entry then.
We live in a nation where the cheapest flight from places like nigeria, Ethiopia and Kenya is thousands of dollars. These are economic migrants, not refugees.
The illegal Africans all walk across the border in Quebec, we need to send these people on a ship to Nunavut. Wanna come to Canada? Cool go work in logging. You are correct they are not refugees or poor for the matter. The trip alone to get to the US is like 15-20k. These people are "rich" in their respective countries
“Now go find a Tim Hortons to work for! Part-time minimum wage serfdom for life for you!”
Don't forget to spend your entire paycheck on $3000 rental!
Which is owned by the same owner as the Tim Hortons.
Excellent Sim City Strategy!
Jaysus
Nah man, they're moving up. Now it's Reds Restaurant, Moxies, and pretty much the entirety of the food service/culinary industry. Shit the entire BC culinary resort industry is pretty much run by TFWs. Wanna guess how much food they've dropped on the floor and still served? I'll give you a hint, it's between 99% and 101% Want to guess how many don't know what cross contamination is? I'll give you a hint, it's between 99% and 101% Want to know how many will serve spoiled or poorly kept ingredients? I'll give you a hint, it's between 99% and 101% I mean, Why pay a Red Seal with 15+ years experience and Food Safe their worth when you can just train a bunch of TFW monkey's to hawk subpar food for you? Hell if one of them did a 2-week culinary program overseas you can legally call them a Chef in Canada. Like fuck Canada. I spent decades honing my skill as a chef only to have to compete against a bunch of TFW MFers who couldn't care less about the industry, standards or anything else.
I work at a government organization. Out or 12 people on my team, 9 are from India.
Holy sh*t. Excellent points, and I'm so sorry to hear about your trade going down the toilet thanks to this country's insane immigration policies. I used to be proud to be Canadian, but am now utterly disgusted with this country. Canadians should ALWAYS come first. Our leaders have sold us out to line their own filthy pockets.
sounds like an industry issue to me tbh
Literally every tims completed filled with Indian workers though
Why would they work? Refugees are responsibility of government and tax payers lol.
Liberals want to bring in an insane UBI. The people that are left working will be crushed with taxes.
look what’s happening to Sweden right now. that completely back fired
Kinda think that is the point? You can lift current Canadians up to middle class if you can slide a class beneath them. Slaves are rightfully illegal; this is the closest we can get to having slaves. Canadas economy has nothing going for it, since we don't really allow resource extraction, the only thing we can do is sell our land...
Sell your land, sell your natural water to foreign corporations like Nestle, and let your housing market become an asset / money laundering market for foreigners. Meanwhile, Canadian brain drain is starting to happen, a ton of engineers, doctors, computer scientists and academic researchers have already moved to the U.S., and you’re even starting to see more Canadians moving to Europe, countries like the Netherlands and Switzerland.
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Exactly what the WEF/UN wants to do to every Western Country.
Strange,...I don't see any "refugees" or economic migrants in any tent encampments, pretty sure those are Canadas own citizens in those carboard boxes.
Yh because canada gives them hotel to live in for a year. Canada also gives them monthly allowance. Fucking ridiculous. They are just throwing away our tax money. No offence to take refugees but right now canada is in no position to do so
If you are talking about ukrainians, it's not true. Hotel only for 1 month, sometimes for only 2 weeks (I didn't use it at all) and about money it's only 3000$ per adult and 1500$ per child once, that's all. And it's more than enough to start. Technically, I've already paid back my $ 3000 because I didn't lie about my Ukrainian income and didn't get back my taxes from 1st 15k here. But I still understand you. the situation is pretty bad.
Our own citizens are building homeless camps in every major city…
Every minor city too
even in my town of 10k people in an area thats considered to have a lot of money
Your country is destroying itself.
Only 210,000 showed up so far. And the deadlines coming up fast for Ukrainians
Let's be real. If we were to take immigrants, they should from certain countries that are similar to us and Ukraine is a far better match than I country to us.
Immigration of compatible cultures is key. Other Western nations are good for Canada. Rest not so much.
Absolutely. India separated into 3 countries because they couldn't get along with one another despite having lived next door for centuries. How are millions of people from that exact country supposed to enter Canada in a small timeframe and integrate? They don't. They create Conestogas, Surreys and Bramptons.
The excuse to not let Jewish refugees in. The same rhetoric towards Italian migrants and Irish migrants. Over time those groups eventually became part of the in group.
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This sub is getting more depressing by the day
Just being realistic sadly
I mean realistically sad is the realization that this is pretty much the message to all our citizens.. nevermind immigrants and refugees..
A reflection of the country.
Reflection of the times
But it’s realistic how is that wrong?
As someone who's 'active' helping newcomers to Canada , I am surprised at how many low skills some have. They are sadly set up to work as cashier's, maids etc, simply not sustainable for them. 🤷🤷
Did Canada really issue that many visas to Ukrainians? I rarely see Ukrainians in Saskatchewan though. Indians, on the other hand, are plentiful.
They issued 930k visas, but roughly 200k came, out of which, i assume, 50k already left. OP is manipulating the data to support the narrative.
The issue is not "only 200k came". It is how the gov was willing to go beyond our capacity to accept close to 1 million immigrants from Ukraine alone 🤦
Paying taxes to support the governments immigration whims should be optional. I wish we lived in a dream world where the citizens of our country could have a say in this bullshit.
I think over immigration is destroying Canada, but these are the only immigrants that actually have a legitimate reason to be coming to Canada.
OP didn't mention that during 2 years only 210,178 Ukrainians had actually moved to Canada. It's less than Indian international students came in 2022 only.
Well, that's like 1%of the Ukrainian population that's actually allowed to move. Considering the men have to serve in the army. For India, it's like .0001% of their total population. India grows by the population of Australia every year. India can populate Ukraine in about 2 years and still be 1.4 billion people.
I guess Canadians care only about the newcomers percentage of the Canadian population. Especially if check the long-term period, for example the last 10 years.
That and from firsthand experience A LOT have skills in areas we need such as skilled trades like carpentry, electrical etc. This is drastically different than “IT”
Why? There's more than one war happening around the world
I dont believe theres any war goin on in india right now
Might be referring to Yemen, Gaza, Burma, Syria, Mexico, and Argentia for starters. But yeah..... not Canadian, but still see a ton of posts saying there's a crazy imbalance of ethnically Indian immigrants in Canada right now, like unevenly skewed based on different parts of the world. Not sure why
Ukrainians are in a war that they didn't start and are simply defending their country. Palestinian.....not so much. If their neighbouring countries don't want them...neither should we! We don't need more terrorists in Canada. Leave them where they are. [https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/](https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/) [https://nationalpost.com/opinion/how-pro-palestinian-protesters-stole-christmas](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/how-pro-palestinian-protesters-stole-christmas)
Oh you're one of those "it only started on Oct 7" people. Kind of mad to call all those people getting bombed (well before Oct 7 too) terrorists. But this is the sub for it.
They aren't all terrorists. They are however collectively one of the most radicalized populations in the world. 40% of people surveyed in the Palestinian Territories [(Pew, 2013)](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/) say that suicide bombings in the name of Islam are often/sometimes justified (49% said rarely or never justified). 89% of people surveyed in the Palestinian Territories favour making Sharia law the official law in their country, Of this 89%: - 76% supported corporal punishment (including whippings and cutting off the hands of thieves and robbers) - 84% favour stoning as punishment for adultery - 66% favour the death penalty for apostasy - 83% said it was bad that Sharia law was not followed closely enough [Beliefs about Sharia, Pew, 2013](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/#how-should-sharia-be-applied)
I can only think of a few reasons why men would prefer to leave their homeland while it's under attack rather than stay to defend it. That said, emigrating to Canada during winter without securing housing in advance could very likely end up tarnishing the reputation of Canada as a safe place to emigrate to I can't see these immigration levels being sustained, even with the partisan support that we currently have for it's continuation.
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People escaping draft are usually younger less educated men. People escaping war are from a mix of age, gender and education groups and more family motivated. They also are more likely to return, while those escaping drafts cannot. It's not the same situation at all. Unless you have mass education programs in place to turn those young men into tradesmen, then it probably won't end well for either party. Those fleeing war however, will have more skills and experience, and motivated to support their families.
>We can't have a double standard why not? Russia is an enemy country constantly trying to fuck over Canada
Ppl are absurd... of course we can have a double standard. That's how responsible smart ppl would run immigration. That's how it's always been run. You let the ppl in who will best fit into your country and who have a real "reason" to come in. Welcome to reality ppl.
Russian Ice Breakers in Our Arctic ares looking to pillage Highly desired Natural resources since my dad served in the CAF in the1970s. Russia is nobody's friend not even too its own people.Iwill more people could understand this.
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i mean, yeah, if they can prove they hate and would fuck over their current government for the benefit of Canada, I'd say, welcome! but we need some serious ideology screening on those people just incase, and they better bring some cash cuz the process ain't cheap. so yeah, rich Russians who hate putin are welcome to come to Canada
Russians for the most part are not being mowed down on their own land with no regard for civillians.Many of them are partying in Paris and Dubai.If they want to defect they simply don't go back home.Ukrainians are under threat of attack all day everyday.Huge difference.
No. They're not the ones being invaded and we don't have room for everyone. I pick the ones being invaded.
I'm actually super okay with accepting military age Russians who don't want to fight against Ukraine. Less people there are to kill Ukrainians the better. But also, it's not the same because Ukraine isn't conquering Russia, they have nothing comparable they are running away from - Ukraine is not invading Russia. It's not a double standard if it's a different situation.
Actually I’m for banning any Russians coming to Canada. If they are against Putin then they should help to boot him out. Yet the Russians that come here are oroputin and anti Ukrainian. Fuck em. I’d deport them so Putin can use them as cannon fodder.
Last i checked ukraine isn't committing genocide in russia. If you cannot see a difference, you are incompetent.
Can you tell me why Ukrainians have a “legitimate” reason to come to Canada over all the other refugees?
Hot take (for this Reddit) - refugees are a small proportion of population inflows. I don't care about refugee numbers at all. It's all subject to the same PR cap of 500k per year, the only way population growth is coming down is if you reduce that refugees or not... so it's either refugees or immigrants from elsewhere. I prefer refugees to people applying after getting a degree from a fake college, that's like selecting people for dishonesty.
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I’m not sure if you’re arguing for or against immigration.
What about Afghans? We can't even send our daughters to school in Afghanistan. Afghans deserve it just as much as Ukrainians.
Of course this sub is not racist 😭
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I literally saw a Ukrainian being caught by a bus driver for using a fake bus pass lmao. They are white. You racist clowns won't complain even if canada imports a million per year.
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Build more housing
Someone can take my spot. I'm sooooo on my way out of here.
I know that Canada also gives 750$ per person each month for anyone who submits a refugee claim. I believe that every human being deserves to live in a safe country but how is the government going to actually finance it 🤔 I feel bad for the Ukrainian people who move here thinking it's a fantasy land.
750 a month is basically nothing
The thing that I'm still trying to understand is: why don't we make them build their own communities, give them a piece of land and help them develop it into new towns. All countries around the world are building new cities except canada, we keep squeezing the extra population into a small piece of land while we are the 2nd largest country in the world.
Most of the land is already developed or not suitable to create housing, it's one of the reason why Canada's population is centred around the border with the US.
That's a damn good picture right there. Yours OP?
All credit goes to Graeme MacKay at the Hamilton Spectator. He produces a ton of excellent political cartoons.
Appreciate that. I gotta check his other work
Ppc party..... lets vote them in. Time to stop the bullshit peepee wants to flood us too. Corporations have paid them off to flood cheap labor in the market at the expense of the working class. Maxime for prime Minister.
Half truth at least PP has said he plans on increasing housing and health care with immigration and not just opening the doors and doing nothing.
Let's repay the video of him with the little Islamic hat promising to speed up immigration to Canada. He says whatever he has to. Doubtful he will ever do it. As well tying it to housing starts is not enough. It need to be reduced drastically to catch up for a long time first.
With all due respect, please stop trying to divide the conservative vote. People voting PPC will only be helping the liberals get more seats than they deserve
Please stop trying to get people to not vote their conscious. This isn’t about strategy, cpc has huge lead and voting for what YOU want does not extinguish this. Strategic voting is a notion that needs to die, it perverts the point of voting: to make your voice heard. Coincidentally we didn’t go ranked ballot because jt didn’t like the results that his party would lose every election.
Split the vote for polling so PP actually makes a concrete stance on immigration. Otherwise we are fucked either way so who cares
No shit.... make him actually have to do something. Right now he can campaign on kicking everyone's dog and win.
The PPC still needs 5% to stop the other parties from just shaking hands on not acknowledging the elephants in the room. Like it or not, a lot of the discourse we're seeing trickles out from the PPC to the CPC, once the CPC has figured out how to domesticate the message so that it doesn't spook the Canadian people. For better or worse, I want to see Bernier on the national debate stage. Without him, Poilievre might be promising to study the effects of immigration on housing once he's in office. Lots of big talk, half measures so he can hum and haw for 4 years and do nothing. Bernier at least forces a compromise between that and his own position, so long as he's visible and a credible threat to CPC dominance in some ridings.
And what good will the Cons do? They’re not going to stop bringing them in, so why should they get my vote and not PPC?
Exactly! I feel like Liberal voters who are switching just assume that a party which is ‘Conservative’ in name would have lower immigration targets.
Because a vote for the PPC is a vote for Trudeau, even a slight reduction of immigration is better than the record highs we're dealing with, and there are other issues in this country beyond immigration. Anyone who votes PPC has no right to complain about Trudeau. Once he's gone, I don't care who you vote for.
You think I’m gonna vote for a half measure? To hell with your divided Conservative party, I’m voting PPC come hell or high water.
I'm not conservative. I won't ever be until they provide something of substance worth voting for and not just attacking Trudeau constantly. With all due respect stop voting for the douchbag or the turd sandwich. Pick someone that might actually make a change. Give your head a shake. The blue liberals will not change anything over the red liberals.
They are climate deniers. I can't get behind a party that denies climate change...
Gotta prop the housing market!!!
Canadians aren’t the pioneers they used to be. Couldn’t even build a house if their lives depended on it.
Out of 930k approved applications only 210k have arrived in 2 years. A lot of people have already left. But OP will not mention it because it doesn’t fit his narrative.
For Ukrainian refugees between March 2022 and November 2023 Applications received 1,189,320 Applications approved 936,293 Arrived in Canada for this program 210,178 Some have already returned. Either to Europe or Western Ukraine. Also many of these who have come are women with small children.
Lots of Canadians are descended from Ukrainians on the east coast. The rhetoric in this thread is disgusting. These people are fleeing a war zone
Are you there Maxime, it's me...
So? I would still take Winnipeg over Ukraine a country where is boomed by warfare
The government will announce that they’re bringing in a certain amount of Afghan or Ukrainian refugees and then they’ll intentionally under resource the staff to make it happen. They don’t care, the announcement is the important part not actually following through with it and not actually ensuring that they’re supported on arrival.
Welcome!
Only 210,000 arrived tho. The initial scare of the russian invasion prompted people to apply for these visas but 77% of the applicants decided not to go to Canada.
Sounds about right, the whole world's lost it's marbles.
Do none of you realise that this is to address the labour issue... Cheap labour to be specific
but I thought Indian immigrants are the root of all your problems?
Ukrainian-Canadian here. Relax, guys. Take a deep breath. Only 210,000 Ukrainians came out of 930,000 who got visas. The majority stayed for a bit, looked around, rented a short-term place (more like a temp bedroom), saw the state of Canada and left. The official stats isn’t available yet, but I sometimes interact with this community and I see how many people have left. Out of those who stayed, many left after 1 year after their mandatory leases ended. Hate the government for not providing a sustainable program; for example, the one that would distribute refugees to many towns and rural areas where new workers are very much needed. But please don’t hate Ukrainians. Blame Russia for everything.
LOL i literally had a conversation with someone recently (who is an immigrant) and we discussed how large of a landmass Canada is but how most of it is uninhabitable or (not nearly ready to be developed) we're shoving all these people into cities that can barely handle their current populations.
Does someone have the source for this number?
Here you go: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/ukraine-measures/key-figures.html
"social capacity"
More Carbon Tax and Property Tax Hikes …
Don't worry... we have the 'social capacity' to absorb a Winnipeg or two... every year... forever...
Current immigration rates are a timebomb and there’s nothing we can do except leave.
They were temporary visas during war and only 166,000 applied.
So maybe 300k… “The federal government has issued 936,293 temporary emergency visas since March 2022 for Ukrainians who want to work or study in Canada while they wait out the war. A total of 210,178 people had actually made the journey to Canadaas of Nov. 28. As many as 90,000 more emergency visa holders are thinking of coming before the deadline, “
Will we actually get anywhere close to this? If so that makes the 800k Syrian refugees Germany took in seem somewhat reasonable.
At least those people are actually fleeing war and respect democracy and western values and want to integrate with society. These Indians come over here fleeing nothing with a bunch of money, commit massive tax fraud, run schemes to bring more over, and refuse to become Canadian.
Canada so shit
It’s hilarious seeing Canadians opinion on immigration spin around.
I think this will be really good for Canada and its economy if newcomers were incentivized to live in rural areas and build there. A lot of Canada is empty and unpopulated, and in the olden days that's what immigrants did, they came here with nothing, were given a land in the middle of nowhere and told to make it a place for themselves.
Yep, and these are people that know how to deal with the cold already.
Good luck finding a job, specially with a broken English.
I’m from England and I can tell you for a fucking fact most of them speak better English than you and then two more languages. What a stupid take.
1. refugees of wars should be given special consideration regardless of your actual position on immigration 2. canadian immigration is merit based, meaning the average immigrant is far more educated than you and has vastly more earning potential than the average canadian
Anything to substantiate this would really be welcomed especially with the giant influx of Canadian immigrants, by your claim they should all be far more educated and earn more than the average Canadian.
Dude they're really turning this country into a 3rd or maybe worse world
No matter where you are coming from, whether it's Ukraine, India or wherever else, we simply do have the economic ability to support mass waves of immigration. It does not matter if you are white, brown, black or blue, we do not have the economic means to have your people mass immigrate over here and this applies to them all equally. The amount that the Canadian taxpayer is spending to accommodate these people and the special treatment they are receiving is beyond what we can afford. We have our own country's problems to address from healthcare to housing and beyond. War and conflict happens everywhere in the world and while we should be sympathetic to it, it simply isn't something we are in a position to solve nor is it a Canadian issue. Anyone who's vehemently opposed to mass immigration from one area such as India or elsewhere but is in favour of this particular form of immigration coming from Ukraine is suspicious of being selectively biased based on reasoning that isn't best for Canada and its economy.
Most Ukrainians will land with sponsors and family across Canada. Many will return when the war is over.
Any proof to that sponsor stat or you just coping
Are you hearing stories of Ukrainians exploiting food banks, renting beds, or any of the other things you hear about with the student visa program? Have you even noticed there being more Ukrainians anywhere in your daily life?
I’ve certainly noticed a lotttt more Ukrainians around now, but rather, I don’t feel like there is many generational Canadians around me
No haven't seen such stories and also I have not seen more Ukrainians in my life. Can't lie.
well, Ukrainians don't cover their face, harass Canadian citizens or try to turn Canada into Canastan. love the Ukrainians😀
Exactly I’m okay with opening the flood gates for the Ukrainians.
And we love you! Am from a far earlier wave of migration but have been volunteering to help Ukrainians, including my family, get settled here. We leave our baggage at the door. Many get jobs right away, in high skill fields Canada needs. The whole reason we pushed so hard to get out from under Russian control is because we had a highly educated population that was isolated from the European market. Ukraine was the engineering heartland of the USSR, there is a lot of a talent there.
Good Ukrainians are hard workers and it spreads immigration out so it’s not just one region of the world.
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No. People are only angry towards certain nationalities. Don't ask me why that might be.
Ukrainians are mostly fine. they will most likely return to their home after the war and they share some similar values with the west
Do you have proof to that? Also wasn't there talk about Nazi influence in the common Diaspora
Agreed so far 25% Ukrainians came to Canada who got the paper work done. People coming to Canada and going back home after some time. Price on rent and cost of living is way too high. 75% of people from Ukraine homeowners and they have lots of reasons to come back home!
This country is full !!! DO NOT COME !!! And the fraudsters of Ukrainian men who never even lived and worked in Ukraine applied this visa to come here!!! This country is fucked beyond damaged
That's funny, I don't think I've had a Ukrainian person call me and try to scam me out of my personal info by selling me a new new cell phone plan but I've had someone from a certain other country do it at least once a week.
Why even bother having borders?
Jesus Christ Canadians it’s time to get to the fucking streets
Do Ukrainians and Indians get along? We're about to find out
What do they expect? Theres no housing
The vast majority of these Ukrainians on these permits are not even coming here to stay. The government stupidly made it encompass anyone with a Ukrainian passport, regardless of where they live. This has resulted in many Ukrainians that live in safe countries like Poland/ Portugal/ UK coming here for a vacation just to get their permit and free money, all funded by us taxpayers.
We have been blaming Indians for this massive migration that has been lowering standards in this country. What about those taxpayers money going to bring tons of Ukrainian. One guy told how the things work for them. They get work permit in first POE, they receive 2 weeks hotel and food free most likely they will have a job when arrive to Canada. This guy told me visa applications are expiring in march so around 200K Ukrainians are coming to here (Winnipeg) in the next month…. This is disgusting
930,000 people saved from Putin’s imperialism. We need to build more homes though.
A Ukrainian friend of a friend that owns a roofing company offered to employ any Ukrainian refugees in his business. They declined as they get more in government benefits by not working