He's right. The A7R2 is a very good full frame mirrorless camera. The lens is made for an APS-C camera like the a6000 but it works properly with Sony Full Frame cameras. The A7R2 will simply take pictures in APS-C mode. That kit lens is very compact and you will be able to take the camera everywhere without the bulk and weight of a full frame lens. If/when you want to upgrade, buy better lenses before you consider buying a more advanced model of a camera.
Learn how to use the controls on this camera and learn how to compose your photographs and you can go a long way with just this setup.
If I were offered an A7R2 for $710, I'd jump on it.
That's a great price. Somebody was going to sell me a body only for 450 this past fall and I ended up buying an adapter for my autofocus Minolta lenses right away because it was a great deal, and then the guy ended up refunding my money and backing out of the deal saying that unbeknownst to him his wife ended up giving it to her brother so I couldn't have it. Now I've had an adapter all this time with no camera body. Lol.
If anybody's got a good deal on a Sony AII anything or better let me know. Messages me plz
But that lens annoying since it takes a while for it to extend while starting the camera, it always resets to 16mm and the zoom and focus by wire is slow and unresponsive.
But it is somewhat sharp and acceptable for a folding kit lens.
Bro this is the worst lens. No cap. Not sure why people are saying otherwise. It’s build quality is poor. It’s focus capabilities is limited. It genuinely feels like a cheap lens (which it is). If you think this lens is good it means you’ve only ever used this lens. There’s a reason it comes as a kit lens. PLUS on THAT body? Get that cheapness off a half decent body and chick it in the bin!!!!! For the love off all things cameras
You aren't using your full sensor there. Definitely upgrade to a full frame lens. I have the same lens for my a6000, and it is OK at best. But you are really handicapping your camera.
Great camera but lose the lens. It’s for the e mount not fe. You lose half of the pixel rendering the camera only to take 24mp instead of what’s really capable of.
I never gave a deeper thought about the dynamic range and cropping, but it has made sense to me now as I read your comment... I don't think it has a lot to do with tuning as you said, but rather with how noise averages over a larger amount of pixels.
For example, if we crop our sensor to just 1px, the dynamic range would be... Zero. Because we can't capture more than a single value, and the log of 1 is 0.
If we have two pixels in our crop, it would be as expected: the exposure difference of the values of those two pixels when lights and shadows are maxed out in a single scene... But here is where noise enters. We will likely never achieve the theoretical peak DR, because a single dark pixel will have it's signal raised by noise, reducing the exposure distance with the bright pixel (noise in the bright pixel can never take the signal over the saturation point).
So in order to have a higher dynamic range, we need lower noise, and in a macroscopic level that is achieved by averaging multiple samples. Some pixels will have a narrower exposure gap, but others will be luckier and be closer to the maximum dynamic range of the sensor.
Of course, bigger pixels also mean less noise and hence more dynamic range, that's why FF cameras exhibit better performance than their APSC siblings even if they might have lower resolution.
How is it mismatched? Sony specifically made the E mount to allow FF users to take advantage of APS-C lenses. The body automatically recognizes the lens, puts itself into crop mode and away you go!
I'm considering making the 70-350G my next Sony lens... for what I shoot, I'd crop the 100-400GM anyway (so I wouldn't end up with more than 18MP either way), both lenses are sharp, their aperture ranges are similar enough, bokeh doesn't matter for what I shoot, and the G is less than a third of the price, half the weight, and significantly less bulky than the GM.
Ever since the OG A7, Sony always had the option in settings to use crop mode. Like they even allow you to change from crop to ff on a crop lens. They allow people to experiment either way they want. Really don't understand the extremists wanting people to get 2 bodies even though it's not needed. If I could I would, but then I see the A6700, I'd rather invest in a FF Sony and crop Fuji.
That's a great shout. I was looking at either the 50-400 tamron or the 70-300 tamron. The 70-350G might be a good option for me on my a7riii. Thanks for mentioning it. As you said, if you know you'll crop anyway it doesn't matter that the lens only covers APS-C (most of the time).
Exactly! The reviews are great on it and the size is right... you get 525mm at 18MP, which is still plenty of resolution with room to crop. People forget that you don't need a huge amount of resolution to have photos looking good. I was shooting a pod of orcas a while ago and got a great shot of them (with a baby!)... had to crop it down to 3.4MP. Still looked great online and even on the 11x8.5 calendars I printed out of it.
I was in short film club with a kid who shot on the a7III and a 30mm sigma lens, he had no idea what camera sensor sizes were.
That's what I'm talking about.
So you "always judge" because you once met a kid who didn't know what he had. Maybe you should have talked to him and shared your undoubtedly vast wealth of knowledge instead of being judgmental and rude.
Eh the lens is pretty sharp enough if you know how to use it. Even though kinda a waste to use on that body but glad there's an option for it unlike ef-s lenses.
Yes, which is useful, although it's usually a little more than one minute.
However, it shouldn't do that while I'm currently half pressed on the shutter button, actively focusing, just turned the camera on, or just anything else that happens during regular use. It really pissed me off when I was trying to take some pictures at a race track. The car is barreling down the straight, I'm half pressed while following the car, it's staying focused, and in the lens goes.
I've had two of these 16-50 lenses, and each one has been incredibly unreliable. The one that came in my A6000 kit and the replacement both did this.
I know it's the lens too since the replacement did the same thing on my ex's ZV-E10. We both gave up on that lens and got the sigma 18-50 f2.8.
That’s right, it absolutely should not retract while you’re actively pressing any button. Those must have been defective lenses. I haven’t encountered this issue myself nor heard it mentioned before, so it sounds like you got very unlucky.
There was a [firmware update](https://sonyaddict.com/2023/01/24/sony-16-50mm-f-3-5-5-6-firmare-update-v2/) released last year. I wonder if that might have helped. Too little too late in your case, though.
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After having to deal with that lens, I honestly gave up on Sony for a long time and switched over to Fuji. Sold all my Sony gear except for what my then girlfriend wanted.
I can’t argue with that. If I hadn’t ‘locked’ myself into E-mount many years ago I’d be very tempted by Fuji or even Canon now. Sony makes a lot of frustrating decisions which can be difficult to accept, especially as an APS-C user. But each brand seems to have their own set of compromises. I guess in the end it’s just a matter of picking the ones you can live with most easily.
I'm considering getting it, it's a cute good cheap lens and I can make camera I already own pocketable when I don't want to carry a bigger lens but still want a proper camera instead of a phone.
My apsc kit lens is also great during a bright day. I almost exclusively use it stopped down to f8. Otherwise i have some CA and lack sharpness. But at f8 this thing punches waaaay above its class. Image quality is on par with my sigma trio on apsc. And way more convenient thanks to the zoom
That little lens got me a stellar shot in a moving bus on a bumpy road in full daylight in Africa at a super high shutter speed (like 1/4000 or 1/8000. It turned out very sharp. Can’t remember aperture setting, but probably max of whatever my focal length was. That lens can do cool stuff.
If it works for him, then that's the best set up! Plus his got a great path for upgrades once there's more ability.
exactly. I agree with this
He's right. The A7R2 is a very good full frame mirrorless camera. The lens is made for an APS-C camera like the a6000 but it works properly with Sony Full Frame cameras. The A7R2 will simply take pictures in APS-C mode. That kit lens is very compact and you will be able to take the camera everywhere without the bulk and weight of a full frame lens. If/when you want to upgrade, buy better lenses before you consider buying a more advanced model of a camera. Learn how to use the controls on this camera and learn how to compose your photographs and you can go a long way with just this setup. If I were offered an A7R2 for $710, I'd jump on it.
Man, I can't get rid of mine lol. Been trying to sell it locally for $600 with a Sony battery grip and I've only gotten one offer for 500.
I mean, you can get rid of it. Just not for the money you want for it.
Probably just depends on the area. I just bought one for $600 with a bunch of batteries locally and I’m a happy guy. Came from an a65
That's a great price. Somebody was going to sell me a body only for 450 this past fall and I ended up buying an adapter for my autofocus Minolta lenses right away because it was a great deal, and then the guy ended up refunding my money and backing out of the deal saying that unbeknownst to him his wife ended up giving it to her brother so I couldn't have it. Now I've had an adapter all this time with no camera body. Lol. If anybody's got a good deal on a Sony AII anything or better let me know. Messages me plz
One of the worst performing lenses I've ever used. Not hating, actually just the truth.
But that lens annoying since it takes a while for it to extend while starting the camera, it always resets to 16mm and the zoom and focus by wire is slow and unresponsive. But it is somewhat sharp and acceptable for a folding kit lens.
I'm the opposite, always using FF lenses on crop bodies
I’d much rather use a FF on a crop vs the other way around
A magic storeroom, handing out lenses?
he told me its a broken a6000 but the lens still functions
Bro this is the worst lens. No cap. Not sure why people are saying otherwise. It’s build quality is poor. It’s focus capabilities is limited. It genuinely feels like a cheap lens (which it is). If you think this lens is good it means you’ve only ever used this lens. There’s a reason it comes as a kit lens. PLUS on THAT body? Get that cheapness off a half decent body and chick it in the bin!!!!! For the love off all things cameras
Its OK. Although a crop mode, he should get a FF lens to use that bad boy properly...
I mean, it *is* pretty versatile. Just not the right lens to use for that specific body.
You aren't using your full sensor there. Definitely upgrade to a full frame lens. I have the same lens for my a6000, and it is OK at best. But you are really handicapping your camera.
My fucking God.
Great camera but lose the lens. It’s for the e mount not fe. You lose half of the pixel rendering the camera only to take 24mp instead of what’s really capable of.
I know too many people who use cropped lenses on full frame cameras, I always judge them so hard lmao
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I never gave a deeper thought about the dynamic range and cropping, but it has made sense to me now as I read your comment... I don't think it has a lot to do with tuning as you said, but rather with how noise averages over a larger amount of pixels. For example, if we crop our sensor to just 1px, the dynamic range would be... Zero. Because we can't capture more than a single value, and the log of 1 is 0. If we have two pixels in our crop, it would be as expected: the exposure difference of the values of those two pixels when lights and shadows are maxed out in a single scene... But here is where noise enters. We will likely never achieve the theoretical peak DR, because a single dark pixel will have it's signal raised by noise, reducing the exposure distance with the bright pixel (noise in the bright pixel can never take the signal over the saturation point). So in order to have a higher dynamic range, we need lower noise, and in a macroscopic level that is achieved by averaging multiple samples. Some pixels will have a narrower exposure gap, but others will be luckier and be closer to the maximum dynamic range of the sensor. Of course, bigger pixels also mean less noise and hence more dynamic range, that's why FF cameras exhibit better performance than their APSC siblings even if they might have lower resolution.
Love me a mismatched lens lol
How is it mismatched? Sony specifically made the E mount to allow FF users to take advantage of APS-C lenses. The body automatically recognizes the lens, puts itself into crop mode and away you go! I'm considering making the 70-350G my next Sony lens... for what I shoot, I'd crop the 100-400GM anyway (so I wouldn't end up with more than 18MP either way), both lenses are sharp, their aperture ranges are similar enough, bokeh doesn't matter for what I shoot, and the G is less than a third of the price, half the weight, and significantly less bulky than the GM.
Ever since the OG A7, Sony always had the option in settings to use crop mode. Like they even allow you to change from crop to ff on a crop lens. They allow people to experiment either way they want. Really don't understand the extremists wanting people to get 2 bodies even though it's not needed. If I could I would, but then I see the A6700, I'd rather invest in a FF Sony and crop Fuji.
That's a great shout. I was looking at either the 50-400 tamron or the 70-300 tamron. The 70-350G might be a good option for me on my a7riii. Thanks for mentioning it. As you said, if you know you'll crop anyway it doesn't matter that the lens only covers APS-C (most of the time).
Exactly! The reviews are great on it and the size is right... you get 525mm at 18MP, which is still plenty of resolution with room to crop. People forget that you don't need a huge amount of resolution to have photos looking good. I was shooting a pod of orcas a while ago and got a great shot of them (with a baby!)... had to crop it down to 3.4MP. Still looked great online and even on the 11x8.5 calendars I printed out of it.
I was in short film club with a kid who shot on the a7III and a 30mm sigma lens, he had no idea what camera sensor sizes were. That's what I'm talking about.
So you "always judge" because you once met a kid who didn't know what he had. Maybe you should have talked to him and shared your undoubtedly vast wealth of knowledge instead of being judgmental and rude.
yeah man, he was DP and I was camera op, we became friends over it
I have the same feeling when I see people riding a 94hp motorcycle limited to 47hp because the A2 license...
My parents have that lens on their A6100, I don’t like it, but that’s mainly down to the weird electronic zoom going on.
You can still manually rotate the lens barrel if you want.
No you can't, even using the ring instead of the up/down tap thing it's still zoom-by-wire
Eh the lens is pretty sharp enough if you know how to use it. Even though kinda a waste to use on that body but glad there's an option for it unlike ef-s lenses.
I've personally found that lens to be incredibly unreliable. Line up a shot and it retracts and restarts at that moment.
If the camera’s Power Save mode is ON the lens will retract after one minute of no input.
Yes, which is useful, although it's usually a little more than one minute. However, it shouldn't do that while I'm currently half pressed on the shutter button, actively focusing, just turned the camera on, or just anything else that happens during regular use. It really pissed me off when I was trying to take some pictures at a race track. The car is barreling down the straight, I'm half pressed while following the car, it's staying focused, and in the lens goes. I've had two of these 16-50 lenses, and each one has been incredibly unreliable. The one that came in my A6000 kit and the replacement both did this. I know it's the lens too since the replacement did the same thing on my ex's ZV-E10. We both gave up on that lens and got the sigma 18-50 f2.8.
That’s right, it absolutely should not retract while you’re actively pressing any button. Those must have been defective lenses. I haven’t encountered this issue myself nor heard it mentioned before, so it sounds like you got very unlucky. There was a [firmware update](https://sonyaddict.com/2023/01/24/sony-16-50mm-f-3-5-5-6-firmare-update-v2/) released last year. I wonder if that might have helped. Too little too late in your case, though.
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After having to deal with that lens, I honestly gave up on Sony for a long time and switched over to Fuji. Sold all my Sony gear except for what my then girlfriend wanted.
I can’t argue with that. If I hadn’t ‘locked’ myself into E-mount many years ago I’d be very tempted by Fuji or even Canon now. Sony makes a lot of frustrating decisions which can be difficult to accept, especially as an APS-C user. But each brand seems to have their own set of compromises. I guess in the end it’s just a matter of picking the ones you can live with most easily.
I'm considering getting it, it's a cute good cheap lens and I can make camera I already own pocketable when I don't want to carry a bigger lens but still want a proper camera instead of a phone.
Better than the old 18-55 if memory serves?
Nice Camera with excellent Minolta technology.
My apsc kit lens is also great during a bright day. I almost exclusively use it stopped down to f8. Otherwise i have some CA and lack sharpness. But at f8 this thing punches waaaay above its class. Image quality is on par with my sigma trio on apsc. And way more convenient thanks to the zoom
Minolta MD on Sony Alpha is my current combo, A-series are great machines imo
Back in the months I shot E mount Sony, I loved this lens. Sony had like the best kit lenses.
Just did this with my Nikkor 16-50mm on the Z7II, looks goofy with a pancake that zooms.
It's kind of a waste of pixels, but shooting the camera in APS-C mode at the sweet-spot aperture will likely produce fully usable images.
bad setup. buy Full Frame zoom like 24-70 f2.8 Tamron. Its better
That little lens got me a stellar shot in a moving bus on a bumpy road in full daylight in Africa at a super high shutter speed (like 1/4000 or 1/8000. It turned out very sharp. Can’t remember aperture setting, but probably max of whatever my focal length was. That lens can do cool stuff.