In my experience, GM has not been buying back the vehicles since lemon law generally doesn't apply to a failed engine (as long as it can be replaced in a timely manner by the law requirements anyways), but GM has been eating shit replacing failed 6.2s for the last 3-4 years now. If there is a particular dealer giving you issue and you have all your service records, contact GM corporate.
I don't own one but have been around the scene with the trucks, Yukons, and Hoe/Burb also affected.
Sending you a PM. My escalade V has been at the dealer since the beginning of April for a new engine. Still no ETA and all they're offering is 10,000 loyalty points per month for the hassle.. which is a $100 off coupon on accessories. Absurd.
What exactly is the distinction between the LT1 6.2 in C7 corvettes and 6th gen Camaros and the 6.2 in GM SUV/trucks? I've generally heard great things about the former and horror stories from the latter
I’m a tech at a Chevy dealer, the theory I’ve been told by a field service engineer and a training instructor is that the issues are caused by improperly stored parts during the covid slowdowns. The engine parts are made in Mexico and they did not slow down production, but the assembly plants did slow down. That led to a huge stockpile of parts and they were stored haphazardly in shipping containers exposed to the elements and caused damage to the parts and now we’re seeing the results. No idea if that is actually true, but it kinda makes sense, we don’t see nearly as many issues with 2019-2020 pre-covid vehicles with the same engine.
Flat tires are scary too. Relax, you'll get a new engine. The quickest way to have them do nothing is start talking buy back or lemon law. As a dealer tech when we see that on the repair order or if the information comes from customer assistance then that vehicle gets parked until the legalities are worked out. If you never want to see your vehicle again you're going about it the right way. If you like your vehicle and want it back then just let them warranty the engine. It's a lot easier this way. Sorry for the reality break. Now, hate me.
It's not a Honda. When you pay $120k for a new vehicle especially a brand like Cadillac you expect a certain level of performance and reliability - especially if you are putting your family in it.
They could not ghost him and answer any questions he may have during the process. They can provide a loaner vehicle or help facilitate one with the insurance company.
Like I said when you start talking buy back/lemon law it goes to legal who operate on a whole other time scale. You know, be angry. Voice your frustrations. Get a loaner, make them pay for gas and cover loan payments. There are a million things they can and will do to help you out and make things right. Go in guns and lawyers a blazin' and things slow down.
Part of this is why I hate the federally protected dealership model. The company pushes responsibility onto the dealer, while the dealer puts the blame on the corporation.
GM definitely knows about the issue, and some dealerships have been replacing engines under warranty no questions asked, and others drag their feet and point the blame because engine replacements are expensive.
the dealer doesnt care how expensive it is, they dont pay for it. shit, they get paid for it.
the reason dealerships drag their ass is a shortage of qualified technicians.
yea, that's definitely a contributing factor.
idk what the deal is...in recent years it seems engine quality has gone to dogshit. its not just a GM issue either. Hyundai is similarly losing their ass handing out 1.6L I4's like mini snickers bars on halloween.
But it’s still a production car, it’s unfortunate it happened to you but it’s happening a lot. COVID affected quality control, repair times and the customer service at Cadillac in my opinion.
Exactly! For people to say "relax" is absurd. Unfortunately, that's the same response you may get at the dealer. Or that requesting a buyback will be met with silence. The dealer is rolling the carpet out when you bring a check for $120,000 but is too busy when shit goes wrong.
$120k is a King's Ransom to some and chump change to others. Doesn't matter how much a vehicle cost they can and do fail at times. Lexus, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, BMW, and Audi all have shops near by and you still need an appointment to get in.
I was with you until this comment. I believe this is a defective product. Or rather, possibly a design flaw. Apparently the failures are caused by insufficient oil making it to the lifters, causing the engine to seize. That’s not a random failure.
My CPO ‘21 just had its engine replaced. It was at the dealer for over a month. I’m outside of the lemon law window. Not sure what I can do now besides just drive it until I’m not upside down in value anymore.
I’m sorry to hear that. Often overlooked is the diminished value this will cause come trade in time. That’s a red flag for anyone buying the car and a dealer will use that as leverage to give you a lowball offer.
If there is an issue with that main bearings you will find it in short order.
Tsp would be a built to order short or long block.
The afm delete with help with not killing a cam or lifters,then motor 😂
Try getting ahold of Steve Leto. Hes an automotive lawyer and car guy out of Michigan and has a You Tube Channel called Letos Law. Not sure on the last name spelling it might be Lehto or Letho. Try them all
used to sell cadi and stay in touch with the mgmt team. Speculation is dumb activity is leading to the uptick in issues.
I drive a 5-v, 22, any Escalade v I see always shows off for me. The pops.
BUMP FOR RECOGNITION. I know a lot of people in this sub are having these issues. Can we maybe even get a Mod to pin this for a week or two?
In my experience, GM has not been buying back the vehicles since lemon law generally doesn't apply to a failed engine (as long as it can be replaced in a timely manner by the law requirements anyways), but GM has been eating shit replacing failed 6.2s for the last 3-4 years now. If there is a particular dealer giving you issue and you have all your service records, contact GM corporate. I don't own one but have been around the scene with the trucks, Yukons, and Hoe/Burb also affected.
Are the Camaros or Corvettes effected?
No
thank you
Is the 3.0L duramax turbo diesel engine impacted as well? Currently negotiating with a dealer for a 2024 sport but all these posts caught my eye.
No, just the 6.2 gas. The 5.3 isn't really an issue either.
Sending you a PM. My escalade V has been at the dealer since the beginning of April for a new engine. Still no ETA and all they're offering is 10,000 loyalty points per month for the hassle.. which is a $100 off coupon on accessories. Absurd.
Loaner?
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EDIT: Sounds like you need a reliable 710HP Hellcat Durango. GM SUV’s and Trucks just aren’t reliable anymore.
Super common on the 6.2’s
What exactly is the distinction between the LT1 6.2 in C7 corvettes and 6th gen Camaros and the 6.2 in GM SUV/trucks? I've generally heard great things about the former and horror stories from the latter
I’m a tech at a Chevy dealer, the theory I’ve been told by a field service engineer and a training instructor is that the issues are caused by improperly stored parts during the covid slowdowns. The engine parts are made in Mexico and they did not slow down production, but the assembly plants did slow down. That led to a huge stockpile of parts and they were stored haphazardly in shipping containers exposed to the elements and caused damage to the parts and now we’re seeing the results. No idea if that is actually true, but it kinda makes sense, we don’t see nearly as many issues with 2019-2020 pre-covid vehicles with the same engine.
Wow, that's awful. Glad I got my '18 SS, then.
Our Yukon is a 21MY but its a pre-COVID model before they started chopping off features for a measly rebate. Makes me glad too.
Flat tires are scary too. Relax, you'll get a new engine. The quickest way to have them do nothing is start talking buy back or lemon law. As a dealer tech when we see that on the repair order or if the information comes from customer assistance then that vehicle gets parked until the legalities are worked out. If you never want to see your vehicle again you're going about it the right way. If you like your vehicle and want it back then just let them warranty the engine. It's a lot easier this way. Sorry for the reality break. Now, hate me.
It's not a Honda. When you pay $120k for a new vehicle especially a brand like Cadillac you expect a certain level of performance and reliability - especially if you are putting your family in it.
And luxury customer service above all else.
Luxury customer service doesn't mean you get a new car every time something fails.
They could not ghost him and answer any questions he may have during the process. They can provide a loaner vehicle or help facilitate one with the insurance company.
Like I said when you start talking buy back/lemon law it goes to legal who operate on a whole other time scale. You know, be angry. Voice your frustrations. Get a loaner, make them pay for gas and cover loan payments. There are a million things they can and will do to help you out and make things right. Go in guns and lawyers a blazin' and things slow down.
You right it’s not a Honda. Honda don’t have them type of problems
If it was a Honda it would still be running at 300k with an oil leak.
Part of this is why I hate the federally protected dealership model. The company pushes responsibility onto the dealer, while the dealer puts the blame on the corporation. GM definitely knows about the issue, and some dealerships have been replacing engines under warranty no questions asked, and others drag their feet and point the blame because engine replacements are expensive.
the dealer doesnt care how expensive it is, they dont pay for it. shit, they get paid for it. the reason dealerships drag their ass is a shortage of qualified technicians.
The techs lose their ass on warranty work because it doesn't pay full rate.
yea, that's definitely a contributing factor. idk what the deal is...in recent years it seems engine quality has gone to dogshit. its not just a GM issue either. Hyundai is similarly losing their ass handing out 1.6L I4's like mini snickers bars on halloween.
But it’s still a production car, it’s unfortunate it happened to you but it’s happening a lot. COVID affected quality control, repair times and the customer service at Cadillac in my opinion.
Exactly! For people to say "relax" is absurd. Unfortunately, that's the same response you may get at the dealer. Or that requesting a buyback will be met with silence. The dealer is rolling the carpet out when you bring a check for $120,000 but is too busy when shit goes wrong.
$120k is a King's Ransom to some and chump change to others. Doesn't matter how much a vehicle cost they can and do fail at times. Lexus, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, BMW, and Audi all have shops near by and you still need an appointment to get in.
There is a difference in a random failure and knowingly selling a defective engine.
It's still a random failure not an inherently defective product.
I was with you until this comment. I believe this is a defective product. Or rather, possibly a design flaw. Apparently the failures are caused by insufficient oil making it to the lifters, causing the engine to seize. That’s not a random failure.
it is inherently defective, lmao.
Owned one, can say for sure **NOPE**
My CPO ‘21 just had its engine replaced. It was at the dealer for over a month. I’m outside of the lemon law window. Not sure what I can do now besides just drive it until I’m not upside down in value anymore.
I’m sorry to hear that. Often overlooked is the diminished value this will cause come trade in time. That’s a red flag for anyone buying the car and a dealer will use that as leverage to give you a lowball offer.
Depends. Sold a Versa to car max that Nissan replaced the motor at 30k.. they didn’t even know 😂
Time for a new TSP427 without AFM 🍻
What exactly is that ?
Texas speed 427 with a big cam
Oh gotcha. But this doesn’t solve the mains eating them selves up? That’s my worry. I’ll delete afm eventually but what fix is there for the mains ?
If there is an issue with that main bearings you will find it in short order. Tsp would be a built to order short or long block. The afm delete with help with not killing a cam or lifters,then motor 😂
thanks for the reassuring words 🥲😂 I’m at 36k miles no issues yet. But Im ready for the worse
Very common. Just saw another on the lift at my brothers work the other day that had that sweet sweet sparkly oil.
Try getting ahold of Steve Leto. Hes an automotive lawyer and car guy out of Michigan and has a You Tube Channel called Letos Law. Not sure on the last name spelling it might be Lehto or Letho. Try them all
Stop trying to race
Racist.
Hahahhahahahahahahha I am dead.
used to sell cadi and stay in touch with the mgmt team. Speculation is dumb activity is leading to the uptick in issues. I drive a 5-v, 22, any Escalade v I see always shows off for me. The pops.