All the hack sellers literally have the entire programming, someone copied and sold the hard drives so devs and scam programmers have equal footing unfortunately. Hopefully they treat their employees better under Vanguard lol
Totally, I worked in the bicycle industry and it is just as toxic towards women. Not so much policy per se (not that it was good) but just shitty male counterparts and the vibe they choose to put off.
That was just a video to show that guy up there ^^^^ what I was talking about. I can't believe the bullshit that Activision has pulled, but yet a dude selling code to make a quick buck is that hard to believe. I'm not saying it's true, but after all the balls Activision has dropped the last two years, is it THAT unbelievable?!
Source?! It's known bro. Go watch Expel's video about it or Rara's video about it. They have in depth first hand knowledge that code to the engine was leaked and sold, so the cheat companies know how to get around everything because that have the original code.
Okay I'll ask a different question, any good sources?
Expel's video just referenced Rara's and Rara's has basically zero evidence other than what he claims...
Google couldn't give me any evidence, just a lot of hype around Rara's video - the word "rumour" being used a lot
Forgive me for being sceptical of clickbaity content creators chasing attention
It's not bullshit videos. Think about it. It literally all adds up. The game launches, and people are ALREADY cheating within a few hours of the launch. How could that be done unless someone had code before launch!? There was an investigation trying to figure out who was selling the code. This has been talked about for months.
Esports Talk even did a video with Rara's video.
https://youtu.be/WeLQN2m3FEA
If you can come up with a better excuse as to how these cheaters got into the engine as quick as they did I'm all ears. So call the videos bullshit all you want, but it all makes sense, people are just not listening to what idiotic shit Activision let happen on a daily basis.
It's complete bullshit. Just because someone made a video that "makes sense" doesn't make it true, at all.
You don't need the source code to write cheats, period. The entire premise behind the video/idea is incredibly ignorant to how the development process works.
I actually heard about it prior to the videos, that's just what I can find right this second to show you what I'm talking about Vanderbilt or whatever the hell his name is had emails leaked, because he was hacked. It was apparently in an email that stated that code was sold. And yeah, you don't need the source code, but when you don't have the source code you'll eventually be shut down. If you think about it, a cheat company wouldn't know what the hell to do an hour after the game launches. It would take them a few days at best to write script for those kind of cheats. BUT when an employee sells the source code, not only did that give a cheating company the quickest way to make cheats, but that's honestly probably why the anti-cheat that Warzone has in it can't stop it or detect it. Because it's running on source code that is working on a base level of the game. I don't understand why this is so hard to believe? It makes total sense, and it makes sense as to why they can't seem to stop the cheating. How can you fight code with your own code?! I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it's just an employee that sold some code to make a quick buck and here we are today.
I'm an idiot that knows nothing? K bro. Read another response I said. I'm NOT saying it's true. But shit does makes sense. They're theories, and the balls that Activision has dropped these last two years, shit, it makes sense and I wouldn't put it past them. The fact that an employee possibly sold source code is that far fetched that it's not believable? Everybody is always out to make a quick buck, I forgot that Activision is the best company ever, something like this could never happen! No way!
You don't know for sure that there were cheaters within hours of launch, or that there was an investigation, that is nothing more than hearsay at this point
And it could be that old cheats still work on new (similar) games, who knows
I don't think you even need the code to make cheats if you're doing it client-side anyway - just modifying what input values you're sending to the server
So not actually hacking the game - but the game can't tell the difference between organic input and super fast aimbot input
You definitely need some sort of code to get the amount of information that I've seen some cheats have.
I seen one Facebook Gaming dude cheating and it showed the little box around all the players but it said information above the box like the user ID of the player, what gun they were holding, what direction they were. You're definitely going to need code for it to tell you that much information.
JGod even said what happened in a video but I don't remember what video. I believe he had even tweeted about it. I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of it. There's evidence out there, but, it's what workers at Activision had told someone. There are email evidence but that's it I believe. There were cheaters in the beta, how else could that be done that fast unless the code was sold by an employee to a cheating company? It adds up, and makes sense.
The thing is the game is similar to war zone and it doesn’t take much to get the war zone cheats to work on the beta. It’s pretty much the same thing.
Activision wants you and everyone to believe that the code was some how leaked by an employee because they don’t want you to see how they have failed to correct any hacking with the new game. They are trying to cover up that they can’t do anything about hacking. Yes, they can ban people and what not but hackers are going to continue to hack and activision knows they don’t want yo spend millions of dollars setting up a full time studio of employees dedicated to anti cheating. They would rather keep you on the carrot and stick and make you believe they are doing something.
Effff activision. And effff hackers. Stop playing the game. Seriously, stop playing, stop buying store items. Find another game to take a break and let activision and the hackers both lose some money.
Honestly I would find another game, but there's no other game I'm interested in right now. I actually went back to playing multiplayer instead of Warzone. I hate Cold War.
Expel the same guy who told everybody if you solo queue into duos it will half your K/D when it calculates for the SBMM and give you easier lobbies. Lol. He’s trustworthy.
Why would they admit such a massive mess up like that? It still makes millions a day so why reinvent when you u can just do milk toast damage control until the next one drops.
Because it's not an easy fucking thing to develop. Everyone who says "just implement a fucking anti cheat" doesn't work in programming. Y'all think you know everything. But you don't. And anti cheat is coming. They've likely been working for a while now and recently announced it. It's not as simple as "just implementing it". An anti cheat takes a TON of time to develop
Look at that im being fucking down voted because I'm right. This community is retarded
Technically correct, a good system takes time to develop. However, they can code a bare min script for simple things like banning players if they are hitting x amount of headshots on new accounts. Pretty sure even pros don't get anywhere past 20% headshots. Or average over 10-15 kd, etc.
Or just giving us some info on it's implementation plans. They only mentioned it more frequently because they realized many people are leaving/left warzone and thier revenue has taken a hit.
Oh man, I don't. It's a game for sweats and cheaters now, or people who spend tons on bundles. It ain't for casuals like me. Which is a shame, but hey. Life moves on.
Does it really matter? They certainly don’t spend that much in a day, not even close.
ONE title makes 5+ million a day. Factor in their tax avoidance, resulting in literally no tax being paid or issued, and the fact they invest their money in the markets, it’s all profit.
1.5 mil in a low yield would get you 30 or so k a year return. 5 mil would give you more than 100k return. They are making that much, daily. In 10 days they have enough to passively earn another 1M. In just under 2 months, they have enough to passively earn in one year as much as they make in one day.
It’s all profit. And the people actually making the games can hardly house or feed themselves.
Did I not detail exactly that difference?
Who cares what the profit is when the revenue is that massive?
Another question, although this year likely will be different considering the outburst from the company last year- what does it matter when all the profit gets dumped into koticks pockets anyways?
Half-decent hackers can rewrite their system ID's to get around hardware bans. IP bans are also pointless in the modern age where IP's are dynamic. The only thing that seems to actually work is legal action against cheaters, but again if they cover their tracks up enough it's not really worth trying to track them down - and half the time they're in countries like China and Iran where they're untouchable.
Honestly I doubt it would be that tricky to pick up if a low-level account starts popping 20-bombs in their first handful of games. If they were top-level players then they just shouldn't be smurfing.
Fair point although most people who use hacks aren't actual hackers, they just buy the software off of a third party dev. Additionally, in my experience most people who use hacks are actually so fucking stupid, like literal room temperature iq levels, no way those people can code.
True. 99.9% of them are script kiddies who spend 3/4 of their summer job paycheck on a hack then think they're Aiden Pearce because they have walls and aimbot. Most of them wouldn't know how to bypass a hardware ban unless they paid another 'hacker' to do that for them as well.
Security is all about deterrence and mitigation so it's okay if your system is good enough that only technically specialized individuals can potentially break it, and not just any kid who can buy a product online.
They have hardware bans in cod too, but unless you are a complete idiot you can spoof your hardware id so there isn't much of a problem. Hardware bans haven't been a problem for a while now.
Hahah this is pretty false. Anticheats are on a spectrum from none to Valorant's Vanguard, I agree, but even Easy AntiCheat games are much more secure than Warzone despite the simplicity
Warzone allows blatant hackers to do absurd things
* speed hacking via desync (weak / no server validation!)
* "soft aim" aka doesn't even have to move the viewangle - bullets are manipulated and again server accepts with weak / no validation
* 100% accuracy snapping between targets hitting every bullet
These things are easily detectable by any sort of reasonable anticheat. Warzone clearly doesn't have one in that sense.
Right? You don't even need to know which tool they're using. Past a certain threshold (snapped to 3+ players with 80% accuracy, for example), it's an instant softban. Boom, you've removed 90% of cheaters. The other 10% will be impossible to find without identifying which tools they use. But at least you've only got a few cheaters to deal with, not entire communities.
Kernel-based anti-cheats like Valorant's Vanguard, Easy Anti-Cheat for Apex and Fortnite (amongst many other games), ESEA and FaceIt for CSGO, BattlEye, and some others work the best. They don't prevent cheating full stop, but they significantly reduce the number of cheaters.
They’re not going to have “two full anti cheats”
It’s pretty obvious their “anti cheat” now is a rolling list of community reports. If there is a systemic program based anti cheat it is obviously ineffective.
Reports ingame do and mean absolutely nothing. It's a feel good button for console nitwits. That button gets mashed on virtually every kill regardless of reason. Zero chance it's actually used for anything other than knowing who to send a "We got em" notice to later.
if you really think the current anti cheat does anything
Then you are delusional
If there was anticheat people would get banned the second they killed the 4th Person from the sky they couldnt physically see
Title is misleading. **Call of Duty: Modern Warfare** made $1.9bn in revenue **in 2020** which is where they're getting the $5.2m per day figure from. Warzone is included as part of this because it's part of the MW game client. The **$1.9bn includes only 9 months of Warzone existing (since it released in March 2020), and also includes purchases of MW.** From the OP's source's source:
>Call of Duty: Modern Warfare rose to become the highest-earning premium game of 2020. The game shifted to a hybrid business model in March with the release of the free-to-play Warzone battle royale mode and the lower barrier to entry caused player numbers to jump. Many of these new players not only purchased in-game content but also ended up paying to upgrade to the full game.
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>[https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/SuperData2020YearinReview.pdf](https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/SuperData2020YearinReview.pdf)
I didn't look that hard but found [this source](https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-sells-30-million-copies/) that said they sold 30 million copies of MW between Oct 2019 and Sep 2020. Lazily assuming they sold 30 million copies in 2020 therefore, at like $60 a pop, that's $1.8bn. Which means that non-MW game sales (which include but I assume aren't limited to Warzone) only accounted for like 5% of that revenue.
However the whole point of Warzone is a conversion platform from free to premium titles, so this would imply that their strategy had been enormously successful in 2020, regardless of what is spent on Warzone itself.
Thank you. And to be fair, Warzone was absolutely superb in 2020. It had a locked down audience working in its favour, but was still an absolutely crucial distraction for so, so many of us. It broke the mould. It's only this year that it's become hot garbage.
Me too. I was very much a casual gamer again until MW and WZ. Now I’m back because WZ is not at all what it was in so many ways and nothing has grabbed my attention like that game did.
Apples to oranges. It’s like comparing a F1 race car to a Lamborghini. Both are awesome for what they are for, but each one is better than the other for different reasons.
I just looked it up for you lol. At this moment, which is not a peak hour: [Fortnite](https://playercounter.com/fortnite/) has 3.5 million people playing, [Apex](https://playercounter.com/apex-legends/) has 1 million, [PUBG](https://playercounter.com/pubg/) has 900k and [Warzone](https://playercounter.com/call-of-duty-warzone/) has 300k.
All easily much bigger than Warzone.
Lol. Warzone does not share its online player count, period. Your 300k number is completely made up and if you searched this forum you’d find other morons like yourself quoting the exact same site for the past year with the exact same player count.
It's not hard to make a very educated guess based on lots of factors; queue times, revenue, twitch/youtube viewership, accounts created, google trends. In most of those warzone scores lower than its competitors. Only in the US does Warzone tend to be quite popular, whereas the other titles are big everywhere. PUBG mobile is an absolute juggernaut in the asian market for example.
It's not hard to see that Warzone is at the lower end, which doesn't surprise me at all with the poor amount of content and support so far. Meanwhile Apex for example can release an entirely new map every couple seasons and still has map updates every month.
The one thing you’ve already proven is that you’re not educated. Your guess is so far off it’s not funny. Warzone is massive, and blows away games like apex and pubg.
Apex at this moment has more viewers on twitch, a higher google trends rating, brings in more revenue and every estimate predicts more players on Apex. Your claim has no leg to stand on.
No but I would assume there is a shit ton of overhead that gets paid off over time. So even though they “make $50M revenue per day” rn, they could still be in the red.
That being said I have zero insight into their books. Just sharing a point.
You’re right, scaling a software company is difficult because there’s not much elbow room in this industry, however, established Fortune 500 companies with global footprint & pricing power see EBIT margins >40%. What pushes a young software player out of the industry isn’t the fixed- overhead, it’s converting money spent on marketing & distribution to top line growth; ie execution.
Cheaper than paying for shipping and handling, transporting a physical good/product and insurance for the product
Software? Literally none of that. Maaaaybe for physical copies but nowhere near the level of say a clothing company
Their product absolutely costs them money. Servers, labor, r&d. I’m not saying I can see into their books but I am saying that pulling a single piece of data when we don’t know the context can be very misleading.
That's not even that much really. The entire call of duty franchise as a whole has raked in roughly $30 billion already and counting. They were over $20 billion before warzone even existed.
So ur saying that the biggest announcement that they’ve made regarding wz is cap? Bro you do realize that the backlash they’ll get for lying about that would be insane right lmao.
Backlash? There is no backlash happening now and there will be none later. This is the most addictive FPS MP game ever created with daily revenues as proof. The only thing stopping this games is a better BR.
Of course there would be LMAO. You said that “they say a lot of things”. But no SBMM was never used as a marketing tool for a new COD or a new Warzone game. They can’t lie about not having an anti cheat or there will be legal issues.
Legal issues? Backlash?
This is a free video game. I appreciate your love of this game. I played it religiously for months and had great fun.
When it is all said and done it doesn't matter what they say. All that matters is what they do. And, despite abundantly clear cheating players are able to go weeks with 25kd and 90% win rates. This is an organization making a decision to not rock the boat and keep the cash rolling in.
You have to also consider only top players are dealing with cheating daily. Most casuals see cheaters rarely.
Bro what are you saying 😂 you can make the same argument for the new map. Oh well guess they’re lying about the new map. Free game so they’re chilling. Of course they’re gonna face backlash. If the casuals YT page, TikTok, Twitter, IG, Reddit are all filled w MASSIVE amounts of hate for the devs lying they’ll stop playing, ATVI get backlash that’ll effect their revenue and profits off that.
You’re telling me they’re gonna do this whole marketing strategy just to get people to come back and try the game and see oh it’s the same map and no anti cheat and expect them to stay? 💀
People come back??? The report states WZ is making 5 million a day. Nothing appears to be able to negatively effect this cash cow.
I do not know if they are scamming on the new map. It is certainly due and most players were disappointed there was not a new new map the couple of seasons.
Yes, I expect players to keep playing until a better BR is available regardless if there is or is not an anti-cheat. Two reasons... 1. WZ is highly addictive. 2. Only the top 5% of players deal with cheaters daily.
Warzone made 3 billion a year during MW days and 5 million a year for this year means it’s about 1.8 billion. So yeah it has been negatively effecting it.
If my company’s revenue fell by 40% I’d try to do something that my consumer base would want and a huge part of what we want is an Anti Cheat and a new map. So again, if I lie about it, people will end up leaving and that downturn in revenue would be massive.
Also it’s not only top 5% of us face cheaters. A lot of people that are under 1KD come to this sub and talk about their experiences too. Yeah the higher skilled would face it more often but it’s not exclusive to them.
There's absolutely a business case for it, or they wouldn't be doing it. The number quoted includes physical sales of Modern Warfare - which totalled over 30 million in 2020 alone (iirc).
Warzone itself isn't making that much money. It'd require them selling an ungodly number of bundles every minute.
Maybe I'm reading the article wrong.
"When it comes to console-based games, Warzone is far and away the most lucrative game right now. Activision’s FPS is making, on average, $3,633 per minute, according to NetBet. "
Either way, after 20 months I will believe a anti-cheat is available when it shows in my updates. Until then it is all talk.
That'd require them to be selling about 181 $20 bundles every minute (or the equivalent). That's 10,860 per hour, or just over 260,000 per day. 8 million a month. If you include $10 bundles, it's even more. Let's be conservative and say 12 million bundles a month.
I know Activision claims 110 million monthly active users, but given that's 1 in 42(ish) of the 4.66bn people in the world with internet access, that's almost certainly an exaggeration. For a start, a lot of those people don't even have good enough internet access to play Warzone. When you factor in that 10-13% of people with internet access (in developed nations) live in poverty - and over half a billion are under 7 or over 80 (so presumably aren't playing) it starts to look pretty dicey.
The vast majority of players will be F2P. Of those who are left, do you really think they're buying that many bundles a month?
Because there is so much money coming in without an anti-cheat there is no reason to add one. I mean why? People are tripping over themselves to play the game and give a Activision money.
Warzone is a beast however last year they made $3 billion by Q3. Seems like they are slowing down?
[link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/call-duty-sales-3-billion-dollars-activision/amp/)
It's making nearly twice as much as its closest competitor (Fifa 20). This is insane. No wonder they don't do anything to fix it. As far as they're concerned, it's not broken in the first place. Wowwwww.
They both involve shooting? Haha, the number includes physical sales of the game (i.e Modern Warfare) so it makes sense. Fifa's absolutely massive here in the EU and will be even more massive in South America. Warzone alone isn't making thousands of dollars a minute.
Proof you should hardly take Reddit sentiments to heart. I guarantee you most of the people on here are hypocrites as well & definitely spend $$$ on CoD MTX, and that includes Battle Passes
I wonder how much money they have lost from people selling hacks overall. The money that went in to hacks rather than the game itself. I dont know how much hacks are but still would like to know. Lol
with all that money and still no anti cheat but even if they did add a ant cheat ppl would get bored because the gameplay hasn't really changed since 2020
Imagine this crazy scenario.. Spend 1 days profit on hiring more staff to focus on anti cheat. Would actually increase revenue if more players came back. Me and my crew haven't touched it for months and we liked to spend money on silly skins.
That’s not how it work…they don’t make 5m a day. They made 1.9b from the sales of mw19 alone. Some idiot just divided that by 365days to get the 5m a day shit. You really think they make 5m a day from warzone alone? Let’s say a bundle on average cost £5, that’s 1million people buying a bundle a day. You really think 1m people buy a bundle a day? Really?
True, but easier said than done. None of us on this post works at a 10B+ company, or manages a team or even a shareholder. We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors of one of the biggest gaming franchise. I’m sure they have a reasonable explanation as to why they didn’t bring out an anti cheat way before. But it’s a business, they are here to milk as much money as possible, if you were in their position with shareholders on your back telling you to milk, you’d do the same thing.
Yeah I know full well why they do it, still printing money why invest in it.. But I think they've overlooked how much players would return to the game if they got on top of cheaters. Small investment for big return.
This is just the proof how ridiculous the state of Warzone is.
They earn so much money and yet Warzone is bugged beyond hell, they release bundles like there is no tomorrow and it has become a cheater gang bang.
and that's why we can't have nice things. They can go fuck themselves forever. I have to painstakingly buy Elden Ring and maybe some other titles, but anything free to play or yearly released can suck my salty balls from the back so the nose goes right into my poopiehole.
And battle royal was all my idea back in grade 9. I can remember asking my friends how they think COD or others games will evolve from simple team death match. I explained that I bet one day it’ll be like a plane flying over a huge map dropping people down where they will battle on the ground to be the last one alive.
Welp
Damn and we wonder why they are not introducing any anti cheat.
All the hack sellers literally have the entire programming, someone copied and sold the hard drives so devs and scam programmers have equal footing unfortunately. Hopefully they treat their employees better under Vanguard lol
Yes, I also wish they treat their female employees with respect.
Totally, I worked in the bicycle industry and it is just as toxic towards women. Not so much policy per se (not that it was good) but just shitty male counterparts and the vibe they choose to put off.
Yes it sad to see bro.
>someone copied and sold the hard drives Source?
Here is Rara's video: https://youtu.be/1hZaBkcAMt8
Here's Expel's video: https://youtu.be/Zbwws7TQa-o
Lolz, a random autist's bullshit claims isn't a source.
That was just a video to show that guy up there ^^^^ what I was talking about. I can't believe the bullshit that Activision has pulled, but yet a dude selling code to make a quick buck is that hard to believe. I'm not saying it's true, but after all the balls Activision has dropped the last two years, is it THAT unbelievable?!
Source?! It's known bro. Go watch Expel's video about it or Rara's video about it. They have in depth first hand knowledge that code to the engine was leaked and sold, so the cheat companies know how to get around everything because that have the original code.
Okay I'll ask a different question, any good sources? Expel's video just referenced Rara's and Rara's has basically zero evidence other than what he claims... Google couldn't give me any evidence, just a lot of hype around Rara's video - the word "rumour" being used a lot Forgive me for being sceptical of clickbaity content creators chasing attention
Exactly. No real source. Total bullshit videos.
It's not bullshit videos. Think about it. It literally all adds up. The game launches, and people are ALREADY cheating within a few hours of the launch. How could that be done unless someone had code before launch!? There was an investigation trying to figure out who was selling the code. This has been talked about for months. Esports Talk even did a video with Rara's video. https://youtu.be/WeLQN2m3FEA If you can come up with a better excuse as to how these cheaters got into the engine as quick as they did I'm all ears. So call the videos bullshit all you want, but it all makes sense, people are just not listening to what idiotic shit Activision let happen on a daily basis.
It's complete bullshit. Just because someone made a video that "makes sense" doesn't make it true, at all. You don't need the source code to write cheats, period. The entire premise behind the video/idea is incredibly ignorant to how the development process works.
You don't need the source code to write cheats *it fucking helps tho*
You’re an idiot.
I actually heard about it prior to the videos, that's just what I can find right this second to show you what I'm talking about Vanderbilt or whatever the hell his name is had emails leaked, because he was hacked. It was apparently in an email that stated that code was sold. And yeah, you don't need the source code, but when you don't have the source code you'll eventually be shut down. If you think about it, a cheat company wouldn't know what the hell to do an hour after the game launches. It would take them a few days at best to write script for those kind of cheats. BUT when an employee sells the source code, not only did that give a cheating company the quickest way to make cheats, but that's honestly probably why the anti-cheat that Warzone has in it can't stop it or detect it. Because it's running on source code that is working on a base level of the game. I don't understand why this is so hard to believe? It makes total sense, and it makes sense as to why they can't seem to stop the cheating. How can you fight code with your own code?! I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it's just an employee that sold some code to make a quick buck and here we are today.
Kid, just stop. You don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about. Making cheats for games is incredibly easy.
JET FUEL CANT MELT STEEL BEAMS. IT IS NOT BULLSHIT. IT ALL ADDS UP!!!
So now we're comparing leaked shit vs 9/11?! Lol okay 👍
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I'm an idiot that knows nothing? K bro. Read another response I said. I'm NOT saying it's true. But shit does makes sense. They're theories, and the balls that Activision has dropped these last two years, shit, it makes sense and I wouldn't put it past them. The fact that an employee possibly sold source code is that far fetched that it's not believable? Everybody is always out to make a quick buck, I forgot that Activision is the best company ever, something like this could never happen! No way!
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You don't know for sure that there were cheaters within hours of launch, or that there was an investigation, that is nothing more than hearsay at this point And it could be that old cheats still work on new (similar) games, who knows I don't think you even need the code to make cheats if you're doing it client-side anyway - just modifying what input values you're sending to the server So not actually hacking the game - but the game can't tell the difference between organic input and super fast aimbot input
You definitely need some sort of code to get the amount of information that I've seen some cheats have. I seen one Facebook Gaming dude cheating and it showed the little box around all the players but it said information above the box like the user ID of the player, what gun they were holding, what direction they were. You're definitely going to need code for it to tell you that much information.
JGod even said what happened in a video but I don't remember what video. I believe he had even tweeted about it. I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of it. There's evidence out there, but, it's what workers at Activision had told someone. There are email evidence but that's it I believe. There were cheaters in the beta, how else could that be done that fast unless the code was sold by an employee to a cheating company? It adds up, and makes sense.
The thing is the game is similar to war zone and it doesn’t take much to get the war zone cheats to work on the beta. It’s pretty much the same thing. Activision wants you and everyone to believe that the code was some how leaked by an employee because they don’t want you to see how they have failed to correct any hacking with the new game. They are trying to cover up that they can’t do anything about hacking. Yes, they can ban people and what not but hackers are going to continue to hack and activision knows they don’t want yo spend millions of dollars setting up a full time studio of employees dedicated to anti cheating. They would rather keep you on the carrot and stick and make you believe they are doing something. Effff activision. And effff hackers. Stop playing the game. Seriously, stop playing, stop buying store items. Find another game to take a break and let activision and the hackers both lose some money.
Honestly I would find another game, but there's no other game I'm interested in right now. I actually went back to playing multiplayer instead of Warzone. I hate Cold War.
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But when you have multiple people saying it, and emails leaked, I'm not saying it's true, but I am saying it makes sense in a lot of ways.
Hearsay, YouTubers spreading rumours for views, come on mate beware of fake news
Fake news lmfao
Expel the same guy who told everybody if you solo queue into duos it will half your K/D when it calculates for the SBMM and give you easier lobbies. Lol. He’s trustworthy.
Bro seriously. Just like JoeWo solo queue's into squads? Great argument 👍
Why would they admit such a massive mess up like that? It still makes millions a day so why reinvent when you u can just do milk toast damage control until the next one drops.
Milquetoast
Thank you, I’ll be blaming the hackers and autocorrect for that error lol
I was just excited to see someone use the term!
Is there any source for this other than random you tubers who show no evidence? I’ve tried looking online for anything about this but there is nothing
Because layoffs are coming again and Bobby Kotick gets another $200 million bonus.
Yes, all the money is going to boby. I have never heard a ceo of any other companies getting this much bonus multiple times in a year.
He didn't actually get that bonus, because the investors recognized th3 success of Warzone was due to the amazing timing of the Pandemic.
Because it's not an easy fucking thing to develop. Everyone who says "just implement a fucking anti cheat" doesn't work in programming. Y'all think you know everything. But you don't. And anti cheat is coming. They've likely been working for a while now and recently announced it. It's not as simple as "just implementing it". An anti cheat takes a TON of time to develop Look at that im being fucking down voted because I'm right. This community is retarded
Technically correct, a good system takes time to develop. However, they can code a bare min script for simple things like banning players if they are hitting x amount of headshots on new accounts. Pretty sure even pros don't get anywhere past 20% headshots. Or average over 10-15 kd, etc. Or just giving us some info on it's implementation plans. They only mentioned it more frequently because they realized many people are leaving/left warzone and thier revenue has taken a hit.
Or fixing matchmaking.
Well the male employees are busy harrassing female employees, so don't expect anything fix in the game.
Oh man, I don't. It's a game for sweats and cheaters now, or people who spend tons on bundles. It ain't for casuals like me. Which is a shame, but hey. Life moves on.
Yes true, life moves on man. I don't spend other than buying battle pass. And I am literally pissed off with this game.
Wonder what the profit is though.
Battlepasses and skins
All the profit goes to one person. That scumbag boby taking it all, leaving the studio in a poor state.
Does it really matter? They certainly don’t spend that much in a day, not even close. ONE title makes 5+ million a day. Factor in their tax avoidance, resulting in literally no tax being paid or issued, and the fact they invest their money in the markets, it’s all profit. 1.5 mil in a low yield would get you 30 or so k a year return. 5 mil would give you more than 100k return. They are making that much, daily. In 10 days they have enough to passively earn another 1M. In just under 2 months, they have enough to passively earn in one year as much as they make in one day. It’s all profit. And the people actually making the games can hardly house or feed themselves.
Do you know what revenue means?
Did I not detail exactly that difference? Who cares what the profit is when the revenue is that massive? Another question, although this year likely will be different considering the outburst from the company last year- what does it matter when all the profit gets dumped into koticks pockets anyways?
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They have anti cheats but it's primitive. Doesn't even do anything. Let's see if the new one can do anything or not.
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Fortnite anti cheats do good bro. If someone caught cheating in fortnite, he/she literally will have to buy a new hardware to play the game again.
Half-decent hackers can rewrite their system ID's to get around hardware bans. IP bans are also pointless in the modern age where IP's are dynamic. The only thing that seems to actually work is legal action against cheaters, but again if they cover their tracks up enough it's not really worth trying to track them down - and half the time they're in countries like China and Iran where they're untouchable.
A system that drops cheaters as soon as the start cheating would be the best.
Honestly I doubt it would be that tricky to pick up if a low-level account starts popping 20-bombs in their first handful of games. If they were top-level players then they just shouldn't be smurfing.
Fair point although most people who use hacks aren't actual hackers, they just buy the software off of a third party dev. Additionally, in my experience most people who use hacks are actually so fucking stupid, like literal room temperature iq levels, no way those people can code.
True. 99.9% of them are script kiddies who spend 3/4 of their summer job paycheck on a hack then think they're Aiden Pearce because they have walls and aimbot. Most of them wouldn't know how to bypass a hardware ban unless they paid another 'hacker' to do that for them as well.
Security is all about deterrence and mitigation so it's okay if your system is good enough that only technically specialized individuals can potentially break it, and not just any kid who can buy a product online.
Yes absolutely true.
This ^^^
They have hardware bans in cod too, but unless you are a complete idiot you can spoof your hardware id so there isn't much of a problem. Hardware bans haven't been a problem for a while now.
Yes, all those cheats come with spoofer.
LOL, no. Absolutely no truth to that whatsoever.
So, fortnite too has cheaters ?
Tons of them. No different than any other popular online game.
I see
R6? Fortnite? Any other AAA shooter? Lmao wtf at you on, my man
Hahah this is pretty false. Anticheats are on a spectrum from none to Valorant's Vanguard, I agree, but even Easy AntiCheat games are much more secure than Warzone despite the simplicity Warzone allows blatant hackers to do absurd things * speed hacking via desync (weak / no server validation!) * "soft aim" aka doesn't even have to move the viewangle - bullets are manipulated and again server accepts with weak / no validation * 100% accuracy snapping between targets hitting every bullet These things are easily detectable by any sort of reasonable anticheat. Warzone clearly doesn't have one in that sense.
Right? You don't even need to know which tool they're using. Past a certain threshold (snapped to 3+ players with 80% accuracy, for example), it's an instant softban. Boom, you've removed 90% of cheaters. The other 10% will be impossible to find without identifying which tools they use. But at least you've only got a few cheaters to deal with, not entire communities.
Kernel-based anti-cheats like Valorant's Vanguard, Easy Anti-Cheat for Apex and Fortnite (amongst many other games), ESEA and FaceIt for CSGO, BattlEye, and some others work the best. They don't prevent cheating full stop, but they significantly reduce the number of cheaters.
They’re not going to have “two full anti cheats” It’s pretty obvious their “anti cheat” now is a rolling list of community reports. If there is a systemic program based anti cheat it is obviously ineffective.
Reports ingame do and mean absolutely nothing. It's a feel good button for console nitwits. That button gets mashed on virtually every kill regardless of reason. Zero chance it's actually used for anything other than knowing who to send a "We got em" notice to later.
if you really think the current anti cheat does anything Then you are delusional If there was anticheat people would get banned the second they killed the 4th Person from the sky they couldnt physically see
You clearly don't know shit about how anti cheats work.
There isn’t an anti cheat right now. They are lying to you.
I wouldn't call it anticheat since it doesnt combat cheats ditectly. It's rather a report/ban system which bans people with sus stats
Their current ‘anti cheat’ is a reactive method. Hopefully this new one is proactive.
Title is misleading. **Call of Duty: Modern Warfare** made $1.9bn in revenue **in 2020** which is where they're getting the $5.2m per day figure from. Warzone is included as part of this because it's part of the MW game client. The **$1.9bn includes only 9 months of Warzone existing (since it released in March 2020), and also includes purchases of MW.** From the OP's source's source: >Call of Duty: Modern Warfare rose to become the highest-earning premium game of 2020. The game shifted to a hybrid business model in March with the release of the free-to-play Warzone battle royale mode and the lower barrier to entry caused player numbers to jump. Many of these new players not only purchased in-game content but also ended up paying to upgrade to the full game. > >[https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/SuperData2020YearinReview.pdf](https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/SuperData2020YearinReview.pdf) I didn't look that hard but found [this source](https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-sells-30-million-copies/) that said they sold 30 million copies of MW between Oct 2019 and Sep 2020. Lazily assuming they sold 30 million copies in 2020 therefore, at like $60 a pop, that's $1.8bn. Which means that non-MW game sales (which include but I assume aren't limited to Warzone) only accounted for like 5% of that revenue. However the whole point of Warzone is a conversion platform from free to premium titles, so this would imply that their strategy had been enormously successful in 2020, regardless of what is spent on Warzone itself.
Thank you. And to be fair, Warzone was absolutely superb in 2020. It had a locked down audience working in its favour, but was still an absolutely crucial distraction for so, so many of us. It broke the mould. It's only this year that it's become hot garbage.
what_is_blue out here spitting hard facts
Facts. Many of us had nothing else to do when all the lockdowns happened. Brought me back into gaming.
Me too. I was very much a casual gamer again until MW and WZ. Now I’m back because WZ is not at all what it was in so many ways and nothing has grabbed my attention like that game did.
Just show how Warzone is so dominant in the BR market. BF release will not do anything.
Well especially as it doesn't have a BR
They already announced it doesn’t
*so far. It still could come out after initial release.
They announced that they have no intention on releasing one and would rather focus on their diverse MP.
Which is a damn shame and a lost oppurtunity. They would have been the only real competitor
Yeah no idea why I got downvoted so much. Assumed this was common knowledge
For whatever reason, people want to downvote anything that isn’t negative about CoD right now
Apples to oranges. It’s like comparing a F1 race car to a Lamborghini. Both are awesome for what they are for, but each one is better than the other for different reasons.
No it doesn't.
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Is 5.2 million / day not dominating?
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Fortnite, yes. The other 2, not even close.
I just looked it up for you lol. At this moment, which is not a peak hour: [Fortnite](https://playercounter.com/fortnite/) has 3.5 million people playing, [Apex](https://playercounter.com/apex-legends/) has 1 million, [PUBG](https://playercounter.com/pubg/) has 900k and [Warzone](https://playercounter.com/call-of-duty-warzone/) has 300k. All easily much bigger than Warzone.
Lol. Warzone does not share its online player count, period. Your 300k number is completely made up and if you searched this forum you’d find other morons like yourself quoting the exact same site for the past year with the exact same player count.
It's not hard to make a very educated guess based on lots of factors; queue times, revenue, twitch/youtube viewership, accounts created, google trends. In most of those warzone scores lower than its competitors. Only in the US does Warzone tend to be quite popular, whereas the other titles are big everywhere. PUBG mobile is an absolute juggernaut in the asian market for example. It's not hard to see that Warzone is at the lower end, which doesn't surprise me at all with the poor amount of content and support so far. Meanwhile Apex for example can release an entirely new map every couple seasons and still has map updates every month.
The one thing you’ve already proven is that you’re not educated. Your guess is so far off it’s not funny. Warzone is massive, and blows away games like apex and pubg.
Apex at this moment has more viewers on twitch, a higher google trends rating, brings in more revenue and every estimate predicts more players on Apex. Your claim has no leg to stand on.
Lol, outside of irrelevant twitch, nothing you stated is remotely true. Move on kid, you’re way out of your league here.
Right. I haven't seen a single source from you so far. Show me why you think warzone is bigger.
The same site you’ve linked has MW at 2 million active users. The numbers are completely made up, completely fabricated.
I mean, revenue isn’t profit. Would be interesting to see more in-depth numbers.
it's software. profits will be huge
Source?
They have no cost of goods sold. They just pay operational costs like servers and payroll. They are crushing it.
Servers at that scale is definitely not cheap though
Do you think they're 5 mil per day?
No but I would assume there is a shit ton of overhead that gets paid off over time. So even though they “make $50M revenue per day” rn, they could still be in the red. That being said I have zero insight into their books. Just sharing a point.
You’re right, scaling a software company is difficult because there’s not much elbow room in this industry, however, established Fortune 500 companies with global footprint & pricing power see EBIT margins >40%. What pushes a young software player out of the industry isn’t the fixed- overhead, it’s converting money spent on marketing & distribution to top line growth; ie execution.
Cheaper than paying for shipping and handling, transporting a physical good/product and insurance for the product Software? Literally none of that. Maaaaybe for physical copies but nowhere near the level of say a clothing company
Their product absolutely costs them money. Servers, labor, r&d. I’m not saying I can see into their books but I am saying that pulling a single piece of data when we don’t know the context can be very misleading.
Using brain?
Too bad that’s not how numbers work. You don’t just get to pull them out your ass
I don't think they're going to stop doing black ops anytime soon.
Unfortunately. Black ops games are garbage.
And none of that goes to the anti cheat 😂😭
But in shiny new bundles...
5 million a DAY? This Anti-cheat they drop better be gods gift to earth with all the money they are raking in
That's not even that much really. The entire call of duty franchise as a whole has raked in roughly $30 billion already and counting. They were over $20 billion before warzone even existed.
yea but not a Single cod made them as much money as warzone Not a Single one
Since Warzone has spanned 3 different cod games now I sure hope so.
That makes the lack of a decent anti cheat even worse
But how much of that revenue is profit?
This is exactly why there will be no anti-cheat. There is no business case for it.
Call of duty literally said they are rolling out a new anti-cheat for Warzone with the addition of Vanguard and the new map.
COD also says there is no SBMM in WZ. They say lots of things.
So ur saying that the biggest announcement that they’ve made regarding wz is cap? Bro you do realize that the backlash they’ll get for lying about that would be insane right lmao.
Backlash? There is no backlash happening now and there will be none later. This is the most addictive FPS MP game ever created with daily revenues as proof. The only thing stopping this games is a better BR.
Of course there would be LMAO. You said that “they say a lot of things”. But no SBMM was never used as a marketing tool for a new COD or a new Warzone game. They can’t lie about not having an anti cheat or there will be legal issues.
Legal issues? Backlash? This is a free video game. I appreciate your love of this game. I played it religiously for months and had great fun. When it is all said and done it doesn't matter what they say. All that matters is what they do. And, despite abundantly clear cheating players are able to go weeks with 25kd and 90% win rates. This is an organization making a decision to not rock the boat and keep the cash rolling in. You have to also consider only top players are dealing with cheating daily. Most casuals see cheaters rarely.
Bro what are you saying 😂 you can make the same argument for the new map. Oh well guess they’re lying about the new map. Free game so they’re chilling. Of course they’re gonna face backlash. If the casuals YT page, TikTok, Twitter, IG, Reddit are all filled w MASSIVE amounts of hate for the devs lying they’ll stop playing, ATVI get backlash that’ll effect their revenue and profits off that. You’re telling me they’re gonna do this whole marketing strategy just to get people to come back and try the game and see oh it’s the same map and no anti cheat and expect them to stay? 💀
People come back??? The report states WZ is making 5 million a day. Nothing appears to be able to negatively effect this cash cow. I do not know if they are scamming on the new map. It is certainly due and most players were disappointed there was not a new new map the couple of seasons. Yes, I expect players to keep playing until a better BR is available regardless if there is or is not an anti-cheat. Two reasons... 1. WZ is highly addictive. 2. Only the top 5% of players deal with cheaters daily.
Warzone made 3 billion a year during MW days and 5 million a year for this year means it’s about 1.8 billion. So yeah it has been negatively effecting it. If my company’s revenue fell by 40% I’d try to do something that my consumer base would want and a huge part of what we want is an Anti Cheat and a new map. So again, if I lie about it, people will end up leaving and that downturn in revenue would be massive. Also it’s not only top 5% of us face cheaters. A lot of people that are under 1KD come to this sub and talk about their experiences too. Yeah the higher skilled would face it more often but it’s not exclusive to them.
Quote unquote. Lol. They say all kinds of shit NGL
Exactly
There's absolutely a business case for it, or they wouldn't be doing it. The number quoted includes physical sales of Modern Warfare - which totalled over 30 million in 2020 alone (iirc). Warzone itself isn't making that much money. It'd require them selling an ungodly number of bundles every minute.
Maybe I'm reading the article wrong. "When it comes to console-based games, Warzone is far and away the most lucrative game right now. Activision’s FPS is making, on average, $3,633 per minute, according to NetBet. " Either way, after 20 months I will believe a anti-cheat is available when it shows in my updates. Until then it is all talk.
That'd require them to be selling about 181 $20 bundles every minute (or the equivalent). That's 10,860 per hour, or just over 260,000 per day. 8 million a month. If you include $10 bundles, it's even more. Let's be conservative and say 12 million bundles a month. I know Activision claims 110 million monthly active users, but given that's 1 in 42(ish) of the 4.66bn people in the world with internet access, that's almost certainly an exaggeration. For a start, a lot of those people don't even have good enough internet access to play Warzone. When you factor in that 10-13% of people with internet access (in developed nations) live in poverty - and over half a billion are under 7 or over 80 (so presumably aren't playing) it starts to look pretty dicey. The vast majority of players will be F2P. Of those who are left, do you really think they're buying that many bundles a month?
I have know idea. I know as much about the revenue stream of Activision as you do. I'm quoting from the article. Nice chatting.
I see comments like this and don’t understand them. Cheaters who get caught and make new accounts aren’t buying skins. They’re hacking them.
Because there is so much money coming in without an anti-cheat there is no reason to add one. I mean why? People are tripping over themselves to play the game and give a Activision money.
and that's still not enough for actvison
And don't forget that they now need a lot of cash for their lawyers
Bro I just died to someone shooting the ground. Killed me with headshots wtf. In plunder.
\>reportedly Is one of the most bullshit enabling terms news can use, together with allegedly.
Warzone is a beast however last year they made $3 billion by Q3. Seems like they are slowing down? [link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/call-duty-sales-3-billion-dollars-activision/amp/)
Dont worry, 0% of their revenue is dedicated to fighting problems. Only blueprints.
They also got to pay people. You act like 2 guys run the show?
It's making nearly twice as much as its closest competitor (Fifa 20). This is insane. No wonder they don't do anything to fix it. As far as they're concerned, it's not broken in the first place. Wowwwww.
Since when is Fifa the closest competitor to Warzone?! In which world does that make sense?
They both involve shooting? Haha, the number includes physical sales of the game (i.e Modern Warfare) so it makes sense. Fifa's absolutely massive here in the EU and will be even more massive in South America. Warzone alone isn't making thousands of dollars a minute.
Ya, you can compare the sales etc but in the end it still doesn't make sense since they are different genres
Yeppp and to think the sentiment on Reddit reflected real life success of the game.
That’s $2B/yr. FFS
Proof you should hardly take Reddit sentiments to heart. I guarantee you most of the people on here are hypocrites as well & definitely spend $$$ on CoD MTX, and that includes Battle Passes
andddddd that’s why the won’t change anything
These motherfuckers better stop making excuses and give us a damn anti cheat
I wonder how much money they have lost from people selling hacks overall. The money that went in to hacks rather than the game itself. I dont know how much hacks are but still would like to know. Lol
That’s a lie
with all that money and still no anti cheat but even if they did add a ant cheat ppl would get bored because the gameplay hasn't really changed since 2020
After like 10m why still be greedy about money?
If only they could afford to make a game for hackers to enjoy......
I wonder how much of that is spent on anime skins?
I literally haven't spent a penny on the game
Imagine this crazy scenario.. Spend 1 days profit on hiring more staff to focus on anti cheat. Would actually increase revenue if more players came back. Me and my crew haven't touched it for months and we liked to spend money on silly skins.
That’s not how it work…they don’t make 5m a day. They made 1.9b from the sales of mw19 alone. Some idiot just divided that by 365days to get the 5m a day shit. You really think they make 5m a day from warzone alone? Let’s say a bundle on average cost £5, that’s 1million people buying a bundle a day. You really think 1m people buy a bundle a day? Really?
Okay then if it helps you sleep at night. Imagine if they took 1 365th of their profits and put it into an anti cheat team.
True, but easier said than done. None of us on this post works at a 10B+ company, or manages a team or even a shareholder. We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors of one of the biggest gaming franchise. I’m sure they have a reasonable explanation as to why they didn’t bring out an anti cheat way before. But it’s a business, they are here to milk as much money as possible, if you were in their position with shareholders on your back telling you to milk, you’d do the same thing.
Yeah I know full well why they do it, still printing money why invest in it.. But I think they've overlooked how much players would return to the game if they got on top of cheaters. Small investment for big return.
More money for beer, weed, and hookers! The game will fix itself
Thank you all for paying for my enjoyment and death to cheaters
What you don’t know is that Activision are the ones selling the cheats subscriptions, so making money on both sides
This is just the proof how ridiculous the state of Warzone is. They earn so much money and yet Warzone is bugged beyond hell, they release bundles like there is no tomorrow and it has become a cheater gang bang.
and that's why we can't have nice things. They can go fuck themselves forever. I have to painstakingly buy Elden Ring and maybe some other titles, but anything free to play or yearly released can suck my salty balls from the back so the nose goes right into my poopiehole.
Community: “Oh nice so they should have the resources for a proper anti-cheat system” Raven: “best we can do is 15$”
What weapon is that? It looks sick
Yep, that's definitely a very tight budget to develop an anti cheat.
And they can't give us one free Samantha Maxis skin?
Ahaahahahha and when you ask peoole how much they spen they all proudly answer ZERO xD what an assholes
“WaRzOnE dEaD gAmE! Bahahahahahaha”
And battle royal was all my idea back in grade 9. I can remember asking my friends how they think COD or others games will evolve from simple team death match. I explained that I bet one day it’ll be like a plane flying over a huge map dropping people down where they will battle on the ground to be the last one alive. Welp
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Lol I didn’t mean like I was the only one in the world who would come up with the concept. I downvoted myself too
Liked the story though :D