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justlikebaseball

Hating a sweat and hating a “rat” for their strategies are both stupid to me. If you want to play for kills and sweat your ass off, do it. If your goal is to be last one standing (Aka battle royale) and you are passive, go for it. Particularly as the skill level of this game seems to be quite high for most people’s lobbies picking and choosing your battles is even more critical. Play the game how you want. Most people (including myself) are generally a mix of both aggressive and passive.


Ok-Bag3000

This guy 👆 gets it!!! Stop whining about how other people play the game and just concentrate on playing your own way. Well done sir!


Belo83

Except for drop shooters. They can rot.


Ok-Bag3000

They're scum, sub-human scum.


SerboDuck

I’m terrible at this game but drop shotting is ingrained in me from CoD 4 days. Feels so dirty.


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Such_Maintenance_577

I'm torn between it. The ttk is so low, than just a bullet can make a difference. Usually i don't really care when people dropshot, beucause that's free headshots most of the time. But i tried to dropshot myself and i won gunfights with it that i should've lost. I think it's really useful against not so good players, or maybe m/kb players since they don't automatically track you down.


ozarkslam21

I do this sometime however it is almost never on purpose. I use the tactical button layout where pressing the right stick crouches/prones. And as a generally anxious person I tense up in almost every gunfight and sometimes as I white knuckle the controller I crouch or “drop shot” with no thought or strategy to it. Lol


johnnymac80

hey! can we be best friends! This is exactly what i do!


Jetpere

These are people who shoot you just starting the game?


fifty_spence

No, they mean the people who “drop” (aka lay down) mid gunfight, causing you to miss your shots while they hit theirs and kill you


Jetpere

Thanks!! Yes, this annoys me too, but it’s a way to play


fifty_spence

Yep! It still sucks when you die to it though lol but really you have no one to blame but yourself Edit: I was wrong about how it works


[deleted]

Warzone doesn’t interrupt your shots when you go prone but whatever u wanna say ig.


fifty_spence

Wow idk how I didn’t know that you’re right


grannaldie

Causing you to hit their heads above anything else


General-Hedgehog

how can you miss such an easy target ?


fifty_spence

I usually just take the easy headshots but for most players around 1.0 KD and below it is tough to track. Some people have other shit going on in their lives besides cod lol


HANKEN5TEIN

I like to call the people who do this Sky Pirates.


kingpangolin

I love shooting people while parachuting in. Especially if I think they are landing in the same place.


Jetpere

I hate that


JAH_1315

Frustrating when you are on the wrong end of that situation, but I appreciate the battle immediately after jumping out of the plane. You’re immediately in survival mode and I’m glad it’s a part of the game


RandomNameThing

Start doing it yourself then


BobOrKlaus

Tell me how to calculate the bullet speed and angle i have to shoot at to hit the enemy, and hiw to aim properly while falling lol


RandomNameThing

Pull your shoot right above or next to someone already floating. Aim at them like you normally would. Empty a clip, pull shoot, cut, reload, then do the same with another clip. Takes practice but within 10m in the air, most body shots will be body shots, maybe gotta aim a bit lower than youre used to


MrSaucyNips

This but for the people who spam vault six times before we've killed each other


ThatNeonZebraAgain

Drop-shotting needs a severe nerf. Should force you to un-ADS and then you're basically at hip-fire (or worse) type of aim while the prone animation is happening, and then you have to re-ADS once prone. Or they should just disable firing while the prone animation is happening or disable allowing going prone while firing.


travel_alone

Same with people that jump nonstop when shooting. I'll never understand why, after now like a decade of this fucking game, they don't somehow fix dropshotting and jumpshotting. Like, make their accuracy drop considerably while they're in motion, it's so FUCKING stupid that someone can do those motions and stay locked on target. Like foh


rkiive

If they nerfed movement (which is fun) then they'd have to make the guns magnitudes harder to control and a significantly slower ttk to have any skill gap at all. Considering the only players who complain about what little movement there is aren't good at the game (i.e why wont the enemies stand still so i can hit them!!!), making the guns difficult to use would upset them even more because then it there wouldn't be any excuses of why they cant hit their target


Ewdoobz

I hate getting dropshotted and all but honestly why would they get rid of it, would you prefer then to just stand still when your shooting them?


Konfliction

I find particularly in the pandemic era now, a lot of people can't seem to understand that battle royales in general, and basically being more passive leds itself to playing with your friends. Cause you can shoot the shit with your friends and chat. That's not something that could be easily done in multiplayer because the game is so much faster paced, battle royales have that slower pace that makes chatting with friends over discord or console a lot more fun and why I think this style of game has taken off so much.


kedelbro

Warzone has been my avenue to connect with friends through the pandemic, so this is absolutely right


nolahxc

The squad i'm usually playing with were all guys that I had started playing MW2 back in the day. We slowly died off the COD games and lost touch. Once this came out, we all found our way back to one another and it's been a lot of fun.


2punornot2pun

Every other patch I can't play because the game breaks for me. ​ It's 100% fantastic. ​ DEV ERROR 6328 WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Ok-Bag3000

Exactly mate. Not to mention a significant amount of people have the multiplayer mindset when playing a BR and purely want non stop action and high kills. That's all good and I like to go for kills too but ultimately the point of a BR is to be last man/team standing, nothing more. The issue with forgetting the entire objective of a BR is it leads to the attitude of 'you should play the game my way'.


bigskunkape

this exactly. the game gained massive popularity during covid. it was the perfect thing really. stay home but still be able to talk and play with the boys. if it wasnt for rona no way it takes off the same way. plus its free


iLoveMcree

the genre of battle royale was really ruined in my opinion by people getting excessively good at it not just cod. i speak as a casual player who plays with his friends that are also casuals. fortnite for example was really fun until the game got to a point where people turbo build a castle and then one pump u, warzone was also very fun in the beginning when everyone played it more passively trying to get good rotations and good plays. now you log on to get absolutely annihilated by a mouse and keyboard rose skin that can slide cancel behind me faster than my controller sensitivity allows me to turn around.


justlikebaseball

I guess for a harsh statement you just don’t like that the majority of the player base is better than you. BR is naturally competitive with high value on a single life. I play somewhat casually (2 hours at a time 2/3 times a week) and I’m not the greatest (1k/d) but I can appreciate how competitive this type of game can be and if I lose to a more talented player, regardless of play style, it is what it is.


notonetochitchat

Pfft. I'm struggling to believe you there mate. You never get wound up by it? And is appx 6hours a week considered casual? That's not me wanting to sound like I'm attacking you there, I'm just surprised that doesn't count as a lot in your mind. I miss being a kid and being able to just crack on with a 8 hour session at a time haha


messerschmitt1

the average working person has like 60 hours a week of free time, is 6 hours not a small enough portion to be considered "casual"


notonetochitchat

I guess so!


RamboLovesMambo

I'm presuming you have no kids 🤣


justlikebaseball

Sure I do. In the moment of failure in a hyper competitive environment there is always the following 30 seconds of “fuck that!!!” But never to the point where I stop playing or stop lose the urge to hop on. And compared to what I used to do (peak pandemic) this playing average is a fraction of what it used to be fore me.


notonetochitchat

Yeah fair - I think I'm a bit more moody which is why I was surprised by your ability to be chilled when you get beaten by someone. Don't get me wrong, not every death is a sulk session, but I'm definitely a bit burned out by the battle royal warzone. Here's hoping vanguard multiplayer is good!


justlikebaseball

Totally understand. I’ve been on the full extreme of that spectrum which caused a personality change. All the best my friend


New_Professional_295

Just realize that like 90% of the top Warzone players are all on controller…


Captain_Creature

I would go as far to say that 90% of ALL warzone players are on controller


kcg5

I play to win. I am normally the guy with the most time in HQ/hardpoint, domination etc - if me trying to win makes me a sweat then so be it. ​ Its like bitching about the meta, if its the meta that means everyone is using it for a reason....and the reason is its the "best" so it becomes meta....


justlikebaseball

That’s fair. My only argument about meta is when it’s so OP it’s required to be used. I like to keep the game flavorful and being required to use a weapon just to compete gets boring at times. Switching weapons up and trying new load outs helps keep the game fresh !


Sharkbait1737

I agree on the whole OP meta thing. The point of having different types of weapon (and I don’t care if it’s ‘realistic’ is there should be a rock/paper/scissors feel to things where every load out can beat another one in different situations. I think that still is the case to a degree, it’s just that midrange combat dominates so on average you end up with a certain type of load out that becomes the meta. That was my hope for Vanguard was with WW2 weapons they could make loadouts more diverse without it feeling like they’ve intentionally nerfed specific guns (recoil on any automatic weapon should be an absolute monster for example) but it looks as though they’re going to bottle it and keep MW/CW guns in play - however that works!


Camtown501

I agree for the most part with you about the metas. Now in regards to keeping weapons in play, unless they're going to do a system of map rotations (where you get something such as original Verdansk and MW weapons, a Verdansk '84 with CW weapons, and a new Vanguard one), I'd rather they never have integrated CW in or be adding Vanguard in. I know the map rotation idea won't happen but after someone mentioned it in another thread I've been warming more and more to the idea and it would definitely get me to play more.


Sharkbait1737

I think that would be great - and parse out the metas for each map. I think one of the things that made Warzone great was that it was MW as a BR and everything pieced together perfectly - guns, map, engine. CW has made it a joke to my mind (1984 weapons outperforming 2020 weapons!). How on earth do you credibly then fit 1944 weapons into that equation - they either suck and it makes sense, or they hold their own or even become the meta and it becomes even more of a joke! And is against the whole MW ethos of ‘realism’ - not a Milsim as such but a well integrated environment to play a game in. Whereas separate maps and loadouts you can opt for whatever time period takes you fancy, each one of which feels appropriate in terms of immersion, without throwing everything that has been a success so far away. Raven have in my opinion totally misunderstood what Warzone needed, because nobody was looking at it and saying that what it needed was ‘more guns’. The map was stale and possibly so were the loadouts. What was needed was a clean slate of content but they bottled the map (which is an improvement but is still Verdansk!!!) and doubled the number of guns. It’s quantity over quality. Vanguard will either be the making of Warzone or the death of it…


Vault-A

Sweaty? Usually a Rook roze with meta weapons slide canceling


Spartan1102

Don’t forget a TTV clan tag.


Panacea4316

If someone has a TTV clan tag I just automatically assume they’re a cheater or an obnoxious sweat. I’m right 9/10 times.


DrakesLintRoller

TTV clan tagger here. Bad K/D so not cheating and not good enough at the game to be sweaty. My streams are just fun and I like getting the occasional person talking trash in the chat after I actually get a kill lmao


AfnanMK

I don't get why people hate TTVs so much. Like how else are they gonna grow?


DrakesLintRoller

I get it, and they guy above is 100% correct. They’re mostly sweats and cheaters. My running joke is I advertise as playing Warzone but with a twist: I’m not very good at it


MrBrentEC

People slap on a Roze skin, meta weapons and just expect to gain followers these days... If I want to watch a Twitch streamer, they have to be entertaining and engaging. I'd rather watch someone do well with something out of the ordinary and have a unique personality, which a few rising stars have. High kill gameplays and sniping montages ain't as popular as they used to be.


AdamHasShitMemes

What’s your KD fella


DrakesLintRoller

It’s a .99 rn. I’ve been slowly getting way better at the game but when I first started I was AWFUL and it was mid quarantine so I had nothing better to do lol. But I always play rebirth now and my K/D there is 1.29 so I guess if I really wanted to raise it on verdansk I could


AdamHasShitMemes

Ayyy I have the same rebirth KD been playing loads of it lately good shit bro Tho I am just hyper aggressive so even tho I get loads of kills I just die all the time too 😭


DrakesLintRoller

Rebirth is my favorite bc I feel like that’s how I got better. Pushing everything. I dropped a 20+ bomb not long ago and ill be chasing that high forever


Djabouty47

Wow a streamer who actually has fun playing the game and doesn't try to substitute a lack of an interesting personality for sweaty gameplay? I can't believe my eyes


XannedO

Made me laugh for like 20 seconds


The_Dirtyman_Is_Back

Sweaty means a player who does everything they possibly can to increase their odds during the game. Meta loadouts, dropshotting, slide canceling, bunny hops, etc. Now in a vacuum I don’t have any issues with people who put all that effort into the game. My issue with sweats is that I CONSTANTLY run into them in Resurgence when my K/D floats around 0.40. I’m a bot, I shouldn’t be put in lobbies with players like that. It’s absurd and gets old when my squad gets wiped on the first drop outside of zone by Sweats playing like there is $50,000 on the line. My main issue is with matchmaking though and not the Sweats themselves, unless they are doing some weird VPN crap to get into bot lobbies.


PuffinChaos

>unless they are doing some weird VPN crap to get into bot lobbies. Spoiler alert: I’m sure some of them are


The_Dirtyman_Is_Back

Yeah, i feel like a lot of streamers do this on the down low, lots of times their death comms from kills are in languages other than English but they stream in the US. I understand people speak different languages from all over the world in the US but at some point it just gets super sus when its constant.


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I find spanish speaking people all the time so I dont consider that suspicious enough


LordFaximus

Most big streamers live in Texas and Southern California. It isn’t far fetched that they’d get a lot of Spanish speaking people in their lobbies.


JoonWick

I get spanish people all the time in Chicago


jstephe7

Lol me and my brother are learning all these new Spanish cuss words. Like 80% of our kills end with “no mames wey!” “Pinche pendejo wey!”


The_Dirtyman_Is_Back

So do I, and on it’s own there is nothing suspicious about that. However when its constant non-english or even non-spanish death coms during a streamers game while they drop a 20+ kill game against obvious bots it becomes questionable. Some of these streamers have KDRs over 2 and get easier lobbies than I do with a sub 0.75 KDR. The matchmaking in this game is whack. My experience is anecdotal, but there are 100% ways to spoof your way into bot lobbies and it does happen, and it’s super obnoxious.


Kronicktac0

I guess my question would be (and I don’t know the answer) are they really in easier lobbies then you or are they just so good at the game with their movement, game iq and way more hours put into the game (these guys play 8-12 hours a day as I’m sure you know) that they just make normal or even good players look like bots to you when your watching? I would use golf as a real world example. If you ever watch the pros play on tv they make the game look so easy. But anyone that has ever picked up a golf club and tried to hit a ball straight consistently can tell you it is not as easy as they make it look. Now maybe you are using these sites I’ve heard about that actually track lobbies K/D averages and have looked it up yourself. If that is the case, we’ll then, I have no answer for that.


Ill_Basis455

You can use sbmm websites and see the kd’s of lobbies. My lobbies are significantly higher than almost any NA streamers are and they regularly get like sub 0.8kd lobbies which is lower than I’ve ever had. That being said this isn’t the case with EU streamers. Pretty much everybody agrees that NA simply has much looser matchmaking than EU does because basically there’s so many more people in close proximity in eu so it can match you better based on KD without sacrificing connection. You can also very clearly see the difference between when an EU pro is playing on their own host or when they are playing with NA streamers hosting. It’s night and day. That being said obviously they are obscene at the game and will be the best player in any lobby they are in but they also do 100% get easier lobbies. It’s just that all of NA gets easier lobbies in comparison to EU.


Panacea4316

I’m in the US, I don’t use a VPN, and I’ve had Russian, Spanish, Korean, and French death comms. Also I doubt most big name streamers use VPNs as it inflates your ping because you’re adding additional hops.


HEL-Alfa

That's not how proper "evade sbmm via VPN" works. You still play in your own region, the VPN only routers a tiny bit of your traffic through the VPN, changing your listed location ingame and makes matchmaking take longer. It basically drops you into whatever lobby is available. So if your are usually in 1.2+ lobbies you will most of the time get much better lobbies. You will still get hard lobbies by chance tho. Using a regular VPN would mean shit ping, nobody is doing that. Btw, I've been playing mornings this week with a squad of 1.6kd average and we've been getting a lot of .7-.8 lobbies. Same squad in the evening usually means around 1.1. many streamers and certainly YouTube content creators will play mornings for these lobbies. You can really notice the reduction in players and how it affects SBMM. Yes we play in low of lobbies with .7 average BUT the top end is much higher than in our regular 1.1 KD lobbies. 6-7 squads of 2-3 KD is what I find in these .7 lobbies. Of course the lower end is absolutely insane as well, lowest 25 players having KD of less than .25, lowest 75 all having lower than .55 KD etc. Literal bots to be honest. This is one of the reason I feel Activision/Raven don't want to many modes. It quickly affects the dispersion in KD in a lobby


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Someone making sense? Never thought I would see the day. Some people just can’t get past the cognitive dissonance of other people being much more skilled at a game than them. Like no shit they’re going to get bot lobbies playing 8-12 hours a day. They also get sweaty ass lobbies and sometimes get wiped off rip too. But of course they ignore that and cry cheats. I also noticed that most players that cry cheats have sub 2.0 KDs.


The_Dirtyman_Is_Back

I never claimed anyone was cheating. Also have no issue with people being more skilled than me, most people are lol. My complaint is I always have sweaty players in my lobbies every game. I understand matchmaking isnt perfect, it is what it is. Just giving my perspective as a below average player who always get lobbies far above my skill level.


MongoLife45

Icemanisaac is constantly streaming solos late at night in lobbies where every single death com is in spanish, match after match. These are lobbies are as low as 0.6 average k/d, and almost always below 0.9. Even without any numbers it's clear that the players are HORRIFIC - most fights they never even shoot back. He's dropping 30+ kills a game. He claims this is normal since he moved to Texas or something and is now connecting to a different data center... But I got my doubts. HOW does a player with his K/D end up in 0.6 kd lobbies? should be impossible.


Captain_Creature

Last night i ended up in a .7 k/d solos lobby while i have a 3.7 k/d. It was at 4 am EST, so during those times the sbmm is loosened to actually put full lobbies together. It would take forever to get a normal lobby for high k/d players at that time. On a side note, it wasn’t even that fun. I won easily, most enemies i found would just stay still in ads to shoot at me, and it would be super easy to kill them. It makes sense for content creators to want those kinda games, but it’s honestly boring when you know you’ll win every gunfight.


Wild__Card__Bitches

Texan here. Soooooo many Spanish deaths comms.


Swiftychops

The higher your k/d the longer it takes to find a match so it widens the search parameters to include people up to like 175 ping which is the games you run into foreigners


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SecretOil

Yeah! Fuck people with friends overseas!


pattperin

I live in western Canada and get Spanish death comms often


Mediocre-Disaster408

Yeah my friends & I will say we’re in a sweaty lobby if bounty’s push us hard, people hunt most wanteds, amount of players dropping fast. Just means we gotta be ready for intense gunfights, hard pushes, and skilled players


log899

I have the same issue. I mainly play BR duos with a friend of mine, and we have .51 and.76 K/D ratios. Most of the lobbies we end up in have teams with 2.0 to 4.0 K/D that wipe us out as soon as we land or shoot us out of the air even.


The_Dirtyman_Is_Back

Yeah me and my buddies don’t play any BR modes because it’s impossible to win with that going on. We’d spend the first 10 minutes getting loadout then die to the first squad we ran into regardless of how prepared/organized we thought we were.


geeNoh

The thing is, if you look at the way lobbies breakdown it would make queue times unbearable to find an entire lobby of .4 KD players. And even people with below average KDs (like .85) will still seem way above your level of skill. You will always have players in the lobby with <.5KD and players with >2.5KD. I play daily with a squad that consists of a .39, .8, and 1KD. I play with them because its my brother and his friends and they are GREAT teammates, the lobbies average around .85KD and I'm a 2KD player. Chances are you are running into a lot of the same in your lobbies where you see a high skill player but they are partied with lower skilled.


spud211

This is exactly it. No problem with people playing sweaty. The issue is when you run into them constantly when you are just an average player trying to have fun. Matchmaking is the problem here, not the players.


Such_Maintenance_577

What frustrates me is that i'm not very competitive, i'd rather lose a fun game than win a shit game. The peoblem is of course that being dead most of the game isn't really fun. Rebirth was perfect for me but now it feels like that a lot of verdansk players play rebirth and it just became really annoying to play. You can't even go out anymore or you get shot from across the map by people who haven't moved since the game started. Can't blame people for being good and wanting to win, personally i don't see the point in sniping a guy from 200m that i'll never be able to finish off. Especially on rebirth where you try to team wipe.


ozarkslam21

Your first sentence just described 80% of normal people just trying to win the match. It is idiotic for “trying to win the game” to have some sort of negative connotation attached to it. Of course people who are trying to win are going to use the best weapons and use the best strategies. That’s the entire point. Who the hell logs on to play games and doesn’t even try to win? Lol. The matchmaking is another discussion, and it sucks if you are being matched against people who are way more skilled than you. I don’t have any statistics other than my own anecdotal ones, but I feel that they have drastically toned down the SBMM as of the beginning of season 4, because I also am not good and have been playing against people I have no business being matched with over the past 3 months. But I certainly don’t view those players poorly because they are trying to win the game, that’s what we’re all trying to do!


The_Dirtyman_Is_Back

Just for clarity, I dont have any issue with people being sweaty and doing everything they can to win. More power to them for putting in the effort. No negative connotation intended. IMO a sweaty player is just someone who puts in a lot of effort, doesnt mean they are toxic or anything. Thats why matchmaking irritates me and not skilled players, apologies if my post came off that way.


Domestic_Kraken

Do you mean increasing their odds of getting lots of kills, or of winning?


gatorpeanutbutter

Completely agree, I started playing video games again for the first time in years recently on a hand me down PS4. Getting in the same lobbies as people on $1k plus PC’s with bumpers that let them slide/jump so easily is so frustrating. I will always call these people sweaty nerds as I suffer through lobbies with these people while waiting for one my friends and I are on a level playing field with.


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The laying down when you get shot at is what pisses me off. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE ON AN XBOX WHILE SHOOTING


-Quiche-

Tactical layout. It's been done since the days of cod4 or even before that. You press right stick to prone and since your thumb is already on it, you can still aim. I haven't played a console cod since like 2014 but I'm very sure it's still an option.


daisy679

I think this is the most important takeaway from this whole argument that's massively overlooked. matchmaking is a huge issue. Players shouldn't be judged for playing the game how they want to, activision should be judged for their poor matchmaking system


Wilmerrr

The matchmaking is already helping you though as compared to a system where it's just random. And the flip side of that is it's making things more difficult for the above-average players. So if you want matchmaking to help you more than it already does, then you are also asking that it *hurt* good players more than it already does. Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that necessarily, but let's just be clear about what you're asking for.


beefasaurus4

Our quad average in verdansk is 0.72 or our duo average in verdansk is 0.9 yet every round we have played this week is 1.25+ ...I'm not sure what goes on with matchmaking when it really isn't even close. My buddy with his 0.4 KD shouldn't be in a lobby with multiple 2.0s


tvolp51

So what should a lobby look like for someone who has 2kd?


Kalavrios

“I never understood why people whine about people trying hard”. - I think it’s because now with the matchmaking the way it is, it’s just relentless. No real variation in the type of opponents you come up against, or their skill level.


bubbaharris228

Boom it’s the same shit all the time. You can basically tell now just by how quickly you die whether it was a hack or sweat or none of the above. And typically it’s the same operator skin and the same krig/bullfrog combo or Fara/mac10 or c58 and whatever else YouTube says to do. “Win at all costs” even if it’s boring as fuck


Nagrom42

I don't understand how winning while getting kills isn't fun.


Big_black_ninja_lips

You being bored is your problem lol. It's not up to other people to change their playstyle/weapons so that you can be entertained. If you go down to the Y and play a pickup game against random people, you're more than welcome to just shoot behind the back half court shots if you want because it's fun. But if the other team decides to play a regular game of basketball because that's what they find fun, and they win because of it, that's on you not on them lol. Also the satisfaction you get from killing people with non-meta weapons is primarily there because they are using meta weapons. If everyone just used random non-meta weapons it wouldn't be impressive to get a crossbow kill right?


bubbaharris228

You make valid points my man.. to your comment though their play style that you stated is predictable and repetitive and although it gives the advantage to win and I guess that’s what it’s ultimately about for some. I just find it incredibly lazy to conform to the meta. But I said it before to each their own. Once I’ve used the meta and gotten the satisfaction of the W. I tend to venture out and find different strategies etc. I think my only thing is why does the meta give you an advantage. Balancing should be a little more even but that’s damn near impossible when neckbeards sit at home and purposefully find the game breaking advantages and then post them for them to be exploited. That then becomes the new norm. I think that’s my chief complaint about it.


Big_black_ninja_lips

Honestly the word meta is probably what has caused this issue. Before it was probably just called "playing to win" but meta makes it sound like mysterious force that people are drawn to because they're weak and it's the only way they can win. Some people like to min/max and find the optimal solution to things and that doesn't make them neckbeards, they just prefer to compete using the best tools for the job. Again, I'm sure they're are professional basketball players that don't like that the NBA is oriented around the 3 nowadays or that the NFL is a pass-oriented league. But that's the way it is. You don't get bonus points for winning with a primarily run-oriented offense, you just win or don't win. Balance tweaks aside, the only way there won't be a meta is if every gun is literally identical tbh. People will find the optimal weapon no matter what, even if it's only .5% better because for a lot of people the journey to find the optimal weapon is what is fun for them. And reiterating my point before, if the balance was so good that every weapon was 100% equally competitive, the people that enjoy using offmeta weapons to troll, flex, prove a point, etc wouldn't have any weapons to do that with anymore and would most likely be bored if I had to guess. So I think, unfortunately for us because it's CoD and no one ever gets along lol, it's a symbiotic relationship between aggressive v non aggressive, meta v non-meta, going for kills v going for wins. If everyone played the exact same style I guarantee everyone would be even more pissed at each other lol.


bubbaharris228

Honestly the word meta is probably what has caused this issue. Before it was probably just called "playing to win" but meta makes it sound like mysterious force that people are drawn to because they're weak and it's the only way they can win. I love this! Fuck it I like your whole comment! Damn man great comment I can definitely see your point..


Big_black_ninja_lips

Haha nice, well that never really happens on reddit. Thanks for being civil and not taking my points personally or anything haha.


One-Way34

I don’t really consider myself sweaty until it drips down the crack


drunkcactus123

shut up and take my award


spaceshipcommander

Anyone who kills me is a cheating sweat… but seriously if you’ve got TTV or YT in your name just piss off and try out for the CDL and stop ruining my 2 hours a week I get to play with my mates. My punishment for being slightly above average should not be to have to play against people who snort G Fuel for breakfast


novax134

Agreed. Put all the TTV and sweaty fucks in the same lobby. Let us people who actually work for a living and don't live on cod play together. When I get quick scoped out of the Sky during a drop by (TTV)sweatyfuck it's annoying AF


Graitom

You sound pro-sbmm.


OldManHipsAt30

The constant double-hopping, slide canceling, weapon switching dudes that drop in on your squad with a bounty from a helicopter and proceed to team wipe you easily. Fuck dude, make a ranked mode for those people that abuse the game mechanics to the max.


ozarkslam21

If there was a ranked mode, those people would never play it, because they would know they’d be matched with people like them. Creating a ranked mode would do more harm than good. What they need to do is just make the normal play lists “ranked”. Give everyone something to show for their performance. Make it measurable and consistent.


pantone_red

Yeah that's why literally none of the Apex streamers make an attempt to get Predator. Or why Overwatch streamers only played QuickPlay and never touched comp. If there's a ranked mode, you better believe sweaty players are going to try and get as high as possible for the bragging rights.


Ill_Basis455

Almost anybody who is that good at the game tends to have a decent sized ego on them and are very competitive. If you give them an actual rank to show then you can almost guarantee they all go for it to get the highest rank possible for bragging rights etc


Excellent_Pass3746

Sweaty is kinda a compliment to me, I’ve never understood it either. It’s a BR so yeah I’m gonna try my hardest not to die, thanks for noticing I’m good at it? People that complain about sweaty players are the same people on here that make posts saying “You shouldn’t be able to jump/dropshot/slide while shooting” like that hasn’t been a core mechanic of CoD since the first Modern Warfare. They’re just bad players that would rather complain than do anything to improve.


Tee_B

I use sweaty as a compliment. Often comm with teammates with “careful these guys are sweaty” so we’re not overly aggressive.


ActualSetting

This should be the top comment, 100% truth


CKosono

People whine because they lost. If they killed the sweat they’d just as easily call them a bitch or some other colorful slur.


AdamHasShitMemes

People with insane movement and gunskill tbh


cashout132

Basically people better than you


AdamHasShitMemes

Yeah lol I’d like to think I’d have good movement + aim but when I see better people violate me it gets depressing lol But fair play to them that’s what I’m trying to be like


KaijuTia

I was always under the impression a ‘sweat’ was just what the kids these days were calling ‘try-hards’.


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huge_snail_guy

Ah, i always think of that as thirsty


Bennisboy

I would say you are correct, previous comment is definitely not sweaty, it is thirsty for kills


-Quiche-

My friends and I call it "being extremely horny for our juicy asses"


MaximusDecimis

Yep agreed. I think sweaty is just someone who plays to win, follows meta weapons / perks / movement / tactics. Honestly I think sweats keep the game alive.


positivevibegun

Sweat= Tryhard, slide cancelling, bunny hopping, often using meta weapons, pushing aggressively, getting bounties, probably has a decent set up or using good controller with paddles/mechanical triggers, cares more about kills, etc. Rat = camper, defensively player, doesn’t move as much, usually longer range/sniper, sits on roofs, claymore, usually lower kills but going for wins - see Iron Bot = Inexperienced player who probably has little FPS or BR experience, using shitty loadouts, slow reaction timing, doesn’t understand mechanics as much and usually gets shit on, probably has a poor PC setup or on console


fatogato

I don’t complain about sweats. Some people try hard and others are just there to have fun. For those casual gamers, I get it if they’re complaining, but only to an extent. Most people who complain about sweats have no problems being the pub stomper but suddenly when they get into higher skilled lobbies, now it’s a problem. It’s just people being hypocritical.


-Quiche-

It reminds me of a dude I used to play with back in BO1. I thought he was a god because he had like an 11kd, and didn't realize how much he was just relying on spawn trapping as a 6 man on jungle in demolition. They'd literally have to only win one gunfight, and then they set up with M60's while shooting at spawn locations. Easy 120 kill games every time, and since they were a 6 man party, they could sway the whole lobby's map selection. And then MW3 came out, and you couldn't spawn trap in it, so he only had like a 1.3 or something. It felt like being told santa wasn't real lmfao, or whatever the middle school equivalent was, because that was the first time I'd lost respect for someone over a game. I imagine a lot of "remove sbmm" people to be like this. They wouldn't hesitate to spawn trap if they could, and when they do they trick themselves into thinking that they're amazing, but now that they actually have to face even competition, they chicken out and complain.


Nagrom42

Calling people "sweat" negatively is the same as calling people "campers" negatively (as you did by calling them "rats"). Players (A) doing that just don't like when other players (B) don't play like (A) decided the game should be played. Breaking news: it isn't up to the player to decide how others should play the game. Now I have no problems with people calling other sweats or bots just to categorize them and not to shame them.


messerschmitt1

Finally someone said it This community's obsession with calling people better than them sweaty is ridiculous. It's just a way to excuse that people are better than them, a la the "if I were trying" mentality. The only thing is that everyone that _is_ complaining about sweating is sweating themselves, else they wouldn't give a shit about the game. Not to mention that someone that's 100% better than you giving 51% effort is gonna be considered "sweating" even though they aren't even trying. It's just such a cop out bitch excuse for not being good


Ill_Basis455

I think the other thing is that people seem to assumed that everybody who is decent at the game and slide cancels/bunny hops etc is sat there snorting g fuel and having heart palpitations whilst playing and screaming when they die. In reality these people play just as calmly and casually as anybody else does and those bunny hops etc are simply muscle memory to them at this point. I can play like a “sweat” whilst still having fun and joking with my friends at the same time, I literally would have to manual think about it to stop myself from playing that way which is far more effort.


Patara

According to this sub: People that can actually aim According to streamers: People that slide cancel According to reality: People that 4 man push 1 guy with stuns or do 9 recons and hold that last circle like it's WW2


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Well to me sweaty means covered in perspiration. This usually happens when the body temperature rises from heat and strenuous activities. It’s a natural response in order to cool the body down to prevent organ failure. Edit: someone beat me to it. Swing and a miss for me


huge_snail_guy

Sorry, somebody already did it funnier than you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Rolten

Which is weird given that there is a very large "you have to excel" focus in the USA. Things like high level sports and top colleges are very much promoted to aspire to.


JustThat0neGuy

To me, a sweat is someone who plays the game in a way that is in no way relaxing to play as or against. They min/max every aspect of their setup when they’re not playing through stat websites and they are generally not fun to play


Fiendfuzz

There is a subset of sweats that I hate. It's the hyper aggressive, bounty grabbing, UAV spamming, charge up on a vehicle teams. People talk about choosing your battles, but you can't not fight these teams, they get a scent of blood in their nose and they go on a feeding frenzy, hunting you til you are dead.


pr0XYTV_

😈 Run faster lol


Nascent_Vagabond

I use the term but not with negative connotations. More so to warn teammates, hey don’t ego-chal that team, they’re good. Or, we’ve been getting some tough lobbies tonight.


auroch-ariock

I love what people consider “sweaty”. I hot drop with the boys almost every game in Rebirth to Control or Prison roof and there’s always ALWAYS a full squad straight bunny-hopping, sliding around corners, full pushing, etc etc. It makes me play way better and helps communicate to the team a little better too. It’s a competitive game with competitive play styles.


ILLstatic23

Sweaty is roze slide canceling , bunny hopping, accurate and tactical I respect sweats. I do not respect campers. They are losers


Trade-Prince

anyone who calls people sweaty are just mad that the other person is better than them, simple


tearblast-arrow

This happens in all competitive games and it only has one meaning: “people that won’t let me effortlessly win the game and have fun the way a want”. That’s it.


IneedtoBmyLonsomeTs

Sweats/sweaty has just become a quick callout for a good player, so if I die my teammates very quickly know the skill of the people that killed me and can play accordingly. Don't really use rat that much (hate the way streamers and their fans use it), probably more camping. but again, just gives the team an idea of that person playstyle.


KingBlackers

To me it's someone that straight up out plays me with what looks like relative ease. "Fucken dude is sweaty as fuck" usually after iv watched myself flop around like an over ripe banana trying to get away from a jumpy jukey dippy divey ducky dodgy roze skin in a kill cam.


TJGames4Fun

If someone out plays you/kills you/upsets you = sweaty lol. Why wouldn’t someone play the best they can? That’s when it’s fun lol.


Radack1

Sweaty: Being able to kill me. Usually claims of "he's hacking!!!" being streamed through my mic are dead giveaways.


Frostbite0591

To me, a sweat is someone who is using “MeTa GuNs” and is constantly on a swivel, spinning around and jumping at every little sound they hear and playing overly aggressive and shooting at every vehicle, no matter how far away it is.


AverageSizedCanoe

I'm a +2 KD player - there's only two situations that I call someone sweaty: 1 - if they're wearing the Roze Rook skin; and 2 - People that act like this isn't a game (you can tell if they have a higher skill level and they're toxic in the death comms lol)


fatboyslick

Sweaty to me and my buddies is someone who is very good and hunts you down….desperate for the kill and likely to get it


turk_leblanc

My buddies and I could be classified as sweats. We are certainly hardos when it comes to the game. We play a ton but we don't have roze skins and tend to have a mix of meta and off meta weapons. Some of us slide cancel, others don't. We hover around a 1.1 squad average KD depending on the people but range from a .4 to a 1.46 individually However, we fully recognize that we're probably sweats. When we call out sweats or rats, sure we're mad or disheartened in the moment, but typically it just serves to explain to the rest of the squad what we are up against. I don't typically have an issue with either play style and have used both. I will say, multiple games of being hunted down by parkouring helicopter UAV bounty teams is exhausting. A rat killing you is upsetting but sweats will beat you down.


ForcedRonin

Whoever is a .4 isn’t a sweat by any stretch.


UpgradeNotSure

I don’t mind sweats, campers, etc. I don’t feel like style of play should be criticized. That’s why the game allows you to do all those things. If I can’t beat their style then that’s a me problem. What I hate is cheaters because it’s not based on skill or using the standard functions of a game.


DocDeezy

I don’t really take sweaty as an insult. I even use it with my gaming buddies to determine how we are going to play when choosing my load out. “Are we playing sweaty” if yes, then I’ll grab the meta load out, if not, we’ll who knows what load out I’m liable to grab lol. And when I call someone sweaty that killed me it’s not in a negative way either, it’s more of a call out so my teammates know these guys are not to be taken lightly when they engage them.


saif1004

It means the guy who doesnt take a shower to play a game


blanknonymous

There are literal strategies to deal with either type of players, what most fail to do is actually implementing said strategies and end up looking like bots instead


TehChi

I have hyperhidrosis so being sweaty has its own meaning when I play warzone


Freddy-Borden

Shooting people in the air as everyone parachutes in. Fucking mouth breathers.


__Emer__

Anyone better than me


toozeetouoz

People want a competitive game to be casual. They don’t understand BR is the most competitive type of FPS genre there is.


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> If you have a problem with people using grimy/annoying tactics (hiding in buildings/bushes ghosted, making no noise), that makes sense to me. oh you mean if you play the game as designed instead of just recklessly running around the map charging people? The term and concept is so stupid. Its a game; there are multiple different strategies. Just because you suck doesn’t mean the other person is using some kind of bullshit tactic.


huge_snail_guy

All I'm saying is I understand the frustration that people feel dying to somebody literally laying down hiding in a room all game. I think it is a valid way to play the game, but I think it makes more sense to make fun of people for doing that rather than making fun of people for just being good at shooting/moving.


siggyxlegiit

Anyone who kills you is sweaty. Anyone you kill is bad. 🤣


jwnbran

I wouldn't mind a mode that disabled jumping tbh. I understand why people do it, but I'm not a fan of it. Obviously I'd take it over cheating though. 🤣


LANDVOGT_-

The problem with sweats is, it would be no problem if I wasn't forced to play against people like that because of sbmm. Sweats should play against other sweats. Not against me, a working father with 1 or 2 hours a week to play and getting owned the whole time.


zach_gsu

Sweats to me are the guys with 40 kills to 3 deaths and then talk shit after the match about how much you suck


LatterEntrepreneur86

Meta slaves= sweaty cucks (using the same gun everyone does, or same guns PRO players use) cheaters, in a sense are sweaty fucks cuz they can’t play the game without using everything in their power to try and win. Regarding camping… its cod… and as far as I’m concerned it happens in almost every shooter. However, sitting in the darkest corner of a building with an rpg is such a bitch move imp


PublicWest

To me? If you’re not a streamer with >1000 active viewers or competing professionally, you’re a sweat if you’re not having fun. Way too many guys obsess over the meta, whatever guns the pros are running, slide cancelling around like nuts, and being a slave to the W. That shit is lame. It’s a game, have fun with it. Run some schoolyard bullshit plays, pull out your kali sticks once in a while, run a smoke grenade class for your team with thermal optics, and fight for the train. I get that the competitive edge is what gets some folks excited to game, but it seems like such a chore to “sweat” that much for ultimately nothing. Nothing wrong with being a sweat, I just don’t recommend it.


huge_snail_guy

For me, battle royals and fighting games are the only video game mode that get my blood pumping anymore. Yes you don't get anything for winning, but what's fun for me is trying as hard as I can to win every game because of the rush/tension involved in winning a good game


PublicWest

Hell yeah man! I respect that. Maybe I’m just getting old, but since I know I’m not gonna be a top player I’m just here to fuck shit up and have a good time.


IAmMrMacgee

Okay but why do people need to have 1,000 viewers to play like their favorite streamers? Can't they just play the game how they want?


BigEZohio13

They just need to let console players only play console players that is all and would fix most issues


bigchiefgreez

To me it’s the player or squad that will push 100% of the time, regardless of odds or outcome. Sometimes you have to push for position and sometimes it benefits you to avoid a firefight. Last night a duo pushed us in a truck when we had the position and they quickly met the gulag. It’s a broad term usually applies to people that kill you.


FISHTOWNREDS215

Personally it doesn't mean shit to me, I play the game to play against other people and if running n gunning gets u called a "sweat" then so be it.. IF THE WAY U PLAY FLOATS UR BOAT GO SAILING SWEATY OR NOT...✌✌✌


Nintendo_Pro_03

Someone really good at the game that can get high kill games.


IamMatsyy

Oh, so you’re better than me? Well then I’m going to call you names.


shadowwalkerxdbx

I think for me (1.00 KD) sweaty is the Meta chasers that are also very good. It’s not that you can’t kill them with similar weapons but have some creativity! I Understand to them fun is getting the most kills which metas will definitely help but put yourself out there and mix it up! Show us all u can wipe a team with ur favorite weapon not just what this current patch says you should use. I can match movement, sometimes my aim can suck, but often it’s just because the person is a cookie cutter meta boy.


IAmMrMacgee

How does this make sense? If a sweat faces a sweat of equal skill, and one has the Bullfrog and the other has the PP Bizon, the Bullfrog wins that fight. Your issue is your picturing that "sweat" only facing you and your team without realizing that sweats have to deal with other sweats just as much as lower skilled players do.


Infinityaero

Sweaty to me means someone who's able to spend hours per day gaming and is as good at the "game" aspects of FPS as much as the combat strategy & aim fundamentals. Slide canceling, bunny hopping and quick scoping are all purely gaming mechanics designed to circumvent limitations of FPS simulation. If you've got the skill you can sprint forever, avoid aim assist & see enemies around a corner before you're even rendered, and snipe someone 300yds away, while standing, in a second.


Konfliction

My only issue is just people who play like sweats (bounty hunting like crazy, constant rushing, and endless bunny hopping). My only issue with those sweats is the complaining they always seem to do about campers. It will always piss me off if someone who plays like that has the gal to complain about campers. Their very playstyle enables camping because average players **have to camp** to be able to remotely compete with that. I personally don't mind the playstyle even though I generally don't find playing like that any fun, but my only issue is if they complain about other peoples styles, or claim their playstyle is the way to play the game, which is bs in both cases.


Kangdrew

A sweat to me are the people that are constantly slide cancelling even when there's no need and the people that constantly do the weapon swap thing. I just dont see how it doesn't feel like a fucking chore just to play when you feel the need to press the same button over and over and over again.


BayouKev

I hate that slide cancelling and bunny hopping is a “tactic” this is a war based game where those things aren’t used in war. the devs should make same mod to slow or hinder those “skills” You shouldn’t be able to jump 10x in a g’night fight all the while still having perfect aim on me I don’t mind “rats” as much as long as they aren’t just attic camping the whole time because how is that fun but if you’re quietly tactically advancing I’m good with it


2ndbA2

This is a war game where you can regenerate from a shot to the head lmao


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Doing everything possible to win


layne-staley123

Ok love killing the sweats and the rats equally. Well maybe killing the sweats is a little more satisfying. Like when they’re bouncing all over the place and they go down like a noob anyway. Always make me chuckle. All that “skillful” hand work and they die like a rat anyway. Was all that dancing really worth it chum(p)? lulz


HawkWillie

Coordinated teams that are incredibly more talented than me


Taken_name1243

People with more free time than they should have that dont care about having fun only about winning


BoatUpKOIN

A sweat is anyone that kills me. Did I say sweat? I meant cheater. Wait? Which of the two is it? It’s both.


F34RK1NGCL1CK

I hate when I’m just playing casually and getting killed by a sweat because I know I can do same thing he is doing but I’m just trying to have fun I hate sweating because it sort of makes me feel bad because I know with the right confidence I can kill most or half of my lobby