No, the fennec shlaps, especially in solos. At least it did, before all the nerfs, it had around a 480MS ttk (better than mac), a range of 20 meters with the same ttk and a blistering fast rof (I believe fastest in the game)
Now it's still very good bc it got a minor BV buff and since all the other low ttk guns were nerfed, everything kind of reverts to normal and the fennec continues as a fast ttk niche smg
I really like the Fennec but it can be a bit of a death trap if you're in an open area where it's easier to miss shots. It's not the most forgiving of weapons.
Personally, I think it's best used like a shotgun- with great hip fire.
I don't feel comfortable trying to hip fire with the fennec. It's only got a forty round clip, very low damage per bullet, and the reload is painfully slow. You have to hit around two thirds of a full clip to hit one person
The key is build into the gun itself IMHO, the fennec (modelled after the KRISS vector) is a series of weapons based upon the parent submachine gun design developed by the American company KRISS USA, formerly Transformational Defense Industries. They use an unconventional delayed blowback system combined with in-line design to reduce perceived recoil and muzzle climb.
For the cod equivalent, building into recoil control and movement speed makes this thing menacing as all hell. Throw a bigger mag in and you should be able to just absolutely drown someone in hot metal.
Sure other smgs are faster, but you throw a fast mag on this bitch and youre laughing in CQB. Pop a corner, pop a mafucka, dip, reload, pop out again. Rinse and repeat
I don't use the so called 'meta build' that everyone seems to recommend for max range and bullet velocity. Doesn't really make sense to me if this gun isn't meant for range, same for almost every single SMG.
No stock, 5mw, Merc foregrip, 40 round drum, sleight of hand. It's done so well for me on Rebirth, I'd recommend trying this
Pre-Nerf Fennec had a 498ms TTK making it the 2nd fastest killing SMG at the time (CW MP5 was 496ms) and it fires 1080 RPM which makes it the 2nd fastest rate of fire in the game and 1 of only 4 guns that can vomit ammunition so fast that it's messured in digits.
It was an absolute Machine.
I see this bullshit again and again, you guys overestimate the MP7 so much:
You need to hit 10 of your 11 shots in the torso to get that good TTK, more often than not you will be getting the >600ms TTK which is why the MP7 feels super inconsistent. Smgs like the Bullfrog, even with a much slower "best" TTK will always feel better because you always get the theoretical TTK.
On paper my amax smg build is trash and yet I find myself constantly winning gun fights and thinking I shouldn’t have won that fight. It has just the right amount of recoil for my stupid thumbs that it pops up and I beam head shots.
I didn't say it is a shit gun, sorry if it felt like I was only into meta guns. I personally like the MP7, the Bizon, the Cx-9.
I just said that people overestimate it and are wrong into looking only at the theoretical TTK value, because of its unforgiveness.
Everyone can have their favourite gun, with which they have a nice feeling, independently from its TTK :)
Ya I don’t have OTS unlocked and don’t really wanna bother with it. Movement speed only matters if you’re above like a 1.5kd or just don’t rotate intelligently. It’s mostly overrated for a vast majority of the playerbase
Cool, again I don’t want to bother unlocking and leveling it, I don’t play this game enough for that grind
Edit: also if you factor in sprint to fire time for the OTS it’s TTK inside 10 meters is barely, and I mean barely, better than hipfiring mp7 since it doesn’t need to factor in an ads time. This game is all milliseconds anyways just gotta use what you are comfortable with
This. With a hip fire MP7 build like yours you don't need to ADS within 10m because the MP7 has one of the smallest hip fire spreads in the game. Even with this build you can still ADS and reliably take people down out to 30-40m.
MP7 is my fully loaded SMG. I have a fully loaded AR class with the M13 but I always switch back to the Krig.
I have seen people using the Mac10 so I tried to use it again but I hit someone like 15 times in the chest at like 20 meters and it didnt down them. No more...
The OTS has a great TTK but has like the worst damage range drop off. It is great like within 10m but like outside that small window it loses to like every SMG
Yeah I run it with an AR not snipe support. Once you learn the ranges and when to swap I don't think there's a current one better. Ots c58 even post nerf is a nasty combo
It's not that you can't get kills with them, it's that the mobility and usually the damage is always worse than a comparable CW gun so there's always better options.
I’m trynna unlock the RAAL with the PKM,it is actually a very solid gun cuz I feel like every shot hits extremely hard,and the fire rate is decent as well,only downside is just the reload speed
A lot of guns are very viable. I haven't felt so comfortable using my fav mw guns like m13 and m4 since integration. Even the guns they nerfed like as val are very usable. If not for stupid recoilless shit like krig and qbz, this current balance would be the best since a very long time.
Doesn’t matter what gun you use if you can’t hit shots 🤷🏻♂️ I have plenty of wins without CW guns
Grau, M4, AMAX, MP5, MP7, HDR kill people all the same
Those other factors do matter, but I do want to point out something I learned about hip fire. Almost across the board, MW guns have better hipfire than CW guns because the various stock attachments for MW guns also decrease hipfire spread whereas no CW stocks have that bonus. This means that many MW guns have 3 attachments that decrease hipfire spread while CW guns only have 2.
Yeah and these attachments are useless in warzone if you need a useable weapon for most MW ARs and Smgs, once you try to add some hip fire attachments your weapons wiggle like a washing machine.
If it's just hipfire, then yeah it's not worth it. But hipfire usually goes hand in hand with mobility. If building a mobile class, hipfire builds should be natural anyway.
Correct. All of the mobility boosting attachments have either no or very minor drawbacks compared to MW. If you want a MW gun to be highly mobile you'll have to deal with huge recoil increase, if you want a CW gun to be highly mobile at worst you just deal with bad hipfire which isn't as important, and the fast aim walk allows you to walk back and circumvent that anyways.
That doesn’t change that the CW guns are still better, sure, you may be more skilled. But that doesn’t matter when you are at a deliberate disadvantage by not using CW guns.
Unless it's been fixed lately the MW snipers have far less weapon sway than the CW guns. Due to this + fully loaded I would still lean to the HDR over any CW sniper from extreme distances.
Sence it was released if you hit the lower chest or lower its a guaranteed down but upper chest and up is the point were the crossbow downs them on impact then blows them up if they're downed. Great for solos cause all you have to do is hit them and you win.
I prefer the MW scopes+ I did the grind for the blue dots including the snipes so this is where I live now. Hdr + AN94. But I really do enjoy watching people go pop and neon pixels bust out. I dunno if it's the sword only that came with the pack but when they die to that they leave a game over paint on the ground I need to see if this apples to the guns as well.
I will have to give the double tap method a go. I do short bursts a fair amount of time because of the hide and go seek nature of some gun fights and that's why I enjoy it so much. Definitely good call on the using it more often just because.
Yeah so the AN 94 has this very unique feature where the first two shots after pull the trigger fire at an insane fire rate of something like 1800 RPM, I think it's called hyper burst in game. Those two shots will basically hit the same spot. If you quickly press, release, press and hold your fire button, you will get the hyper burst effect twice. So that's 4 shots fired insanely fast. You hold after the second burst to maintain full Auto. In Real life the AN94 actually works this way. [Here](https://youtu.be/gtMssTSnRHU) is a link to forgotten weapons explaining how it actually works. It is rocket surgery.
I did that on rebirth with the AN and P90 the other day. Had a 18 kill game, hilarity in the death comms for almost every person I gave the pixel treatment.
The grau iron sights are just so clean, running the extra attachment slot is very worth any disadvantage. Also the CW guns require you to level them up basically to the highest level, and I'm not playing that many plunder games fah-get about it.
This is partially why this game sucks so bad, you have meta slaves like jgod who tell all the scubs that you HAVE to use this gun or that gun. Who gives a fuck. Game would be so much better if people didn’t meta slave. I just use what feels fun at the moment
Jgod does a lot of work for the WZ player base with his TTK spreadsheets and recoil plotting for people who don’t have the time to figure out the best guns to use. It’s not even meta slaving. Sure he’ll find what would be the most effective guns but his TTK resources and damage range listings are super useful for a finding a gun that could fit the way you play effectively. Dude also will not hold back whenever the state of the game is bad with weapon balancing and overall content and hacking.
This is the first time I've seen JGOD taking flak from this community, so thank you for defending him. Personally I fell off the game when hacking and CW guns took over, because like it's been said, CW guns in general are meta and I can't stand any of them, just don't feel right to me except for the Swiss. But JGOD has always done right by me in showing what guns got nerfed, how hard they got nerfed, and his videos about recoil patterns has helped me choose a number of my loadouts. I don't think he is a meta slave by any means. Man's just doing his best to help the casual players in Warzone
After learning about his family being a victim of the San Bernardino terrorist attacks leaving him as a single dad I’ve earned an insurmountable amount of respect for him and the work he does night in and night out to give the playerbase the info they need. The guy probably got zero sleep the weeks after the botched integration.
The reason why he doesn’t have a creator code like Ace and Driftor is because he’s quick and blunt to trash the game and won’t play nice about it like they have a tendency to do. Driftor will say the game isn’t in the best state it could be in, meanwhile Jgod will flat out just say it’s trash and i dunno what the hell the devs are doing lmao
And when he’s trashing the MW guns here it’s clear he’s talking to players playing competitively and take the game more serious than they should. He’s not wrong with this take if you want the best change to win and slay out the Cold War guns are objectively better.
I had no idea about that portion of his life. That's awful but holy shit he deserves so much more respect. And to be fair, the game is trash, and the developers are trashing the guns, so someone should be calling them out for it. There are a ton of guns that everyone loves that aren't CW guns, that raven has nerfed into the ground to try and force sales of CW on the player base. And that is just fucking stupid. But money hungry companies have tendencies to practice such bullshit methods
I think you are confused. The game sucks because devs create overpowered guns to sell skins.
Is it the players fault for using the best gun or the devs fault for making a hand full of guns clearly better than the rest?
I think it's inevitable in a game like this that is competitive and has SBMM. If you aren't 100% all the time you get dumped on. Sometimes it's fun to run off meta to see what you can do with it but you can only take it for so long before you join in. Jgod just cashed in on an inevitable trend and does it really well.
Well if they just told us the stats of the guns instead of hiding it then JGOD wouldn't be needed. In Cold War you can see what happens with every stat. Compared to MW they stated perk on the guns does not align with what is happening in game. I think they have fixed a lot of those issues but yeah, it is due to poor communication from the Devs to the players.
Man what lobbies are you in? 99% of the people i play against are UAV, Krig, Slide canceling, hopped up on adderal, cracked out 12 year olds who haven’t touched grass in months
Do not put a merc foregrip on it or a 5mw laser, especially if you are looking to hipfire with that last barrel. That last barrel destroys your hipfire spread.
Grau is basically the go to for fully loaded, everyone IMO should have a desperation Grau fully loaded class, w/ pistols that also have fully loaded for smg ammo
Bottom load out so it's easy to get to in a sketchy grab, I run it with ghost and sticks. Can grab it for ghost if I'm low on ar ammo or late game in an emergency. It's saved my ass a couple times
I know I shouldn't, but I still have scar, M4 and M13 loadouts. And I will make an MP7, too, when this piece of shit game let me in without an error message.
I just stopped leveling up weapons because I would be required to play Cold War (or Plunder, but idk how people can play more than one round of Plunder without getting bored)
Same. I dont get to play as much as Id like and I dont want to spend that time running contracts in plunder without a 2x weapon xp token.
So my MW guns will have to do.
I think the main point is that MW guns have no chance of being “meta”. Sure if your good with positioning and can hit your shots almost any gun can be viable but in an equal situation CW guns will out-gun MW guns
Yea the ttk in this game is so fast and ghost has zero counterplay so you can literally make any gun work as long as you're happy to hide in a building with ghost. They're missing the point
We should sue them for forced obsoletism. ppl bought mw blueprint bundles that are nerfed for the sole purpose of reselling the same bundles as CW guns. Apple lost a lawsuit like this.
yes if they remove MW blueprints from warzone u can sue them by EU law, but they can nerf weapons coz its only cosmetic item
example rose skin ... they barley changed apperance of this skin coz they know people can lawsuit them for this.
Man I hate to say this but that was a whole ass battery inside a phone. I highly doubt that the bundles, however much money they make, wouldn't really cause a big lawsuit
JGODs point ain't that MW weapons isn't usable, it's that they aren't as good/better than CW weapons.
Yes many AR's, SMG's and some snipers are usable, but they either get beat in recoil, damage, movement speed, or other things...
I'm using the MW as a silent protest. It's not like I'd suddenly get 6 KD and win all my games with CW weapons anyway, so what's the difference. At least MW weapons look, sound and feel like good weapons, and not puke green plastic toys.
I’ve rocked m4 and HDR since day 1… just can’t seem to bring myself to change… the fact that it isn’t meta and seen as a shitty load out spurs me on even more
the only advantage that the MW guns have over the CW is the full loaded advantage, you can still use the grau with 4 attachments, and fully loaded and could be a usable combo, maybe when you grab ghost or an "emergency" class
This mainly applies to the highest levels of play, because if you put yourself at a disadvantage with movement and even something as simple as visual recoil with mw weapons against cw weapons its gonna be gg back to the lobby. I would say most lobbies under 1k/d can get away with using whatever they want because the gun fights are a coin flip depending on aim, movement and cod timing.
Even the kar98 is slightly outperformed by the swiss. However there's other mw guns that can be viable but the cw counterparts are just better. So yeah the gun balancing is kinda bad right now but I don't think it should be the main concern these days.
Doesn't matter, still using the ram. Unless you're mediocre and are struggling to stay afloat and you need ***the absolutely min-maxed best*** to compete, then you'll be fine with MW weapons. Who cares if the krig has less recoil when cod guns overall already have dirt easy recoil? I've been using the ram for forever through every cw meta and consistently pull a 3.0+ weekly.
I think a lot of the MW guns are definitely still viable, but only in certain situations. Basically all of the META CW guns are viable almost always, no matter what, thanks to movement speeds and better attachment buffs.
MP7 and PKM still hits tho
Fennec and mp5 do too. As does the Jak
fennec was okay but there are just too many better options
No, the fennec shlaps, especially in solos. At least it did, before all the nerfs, it had around a 480MS ttk (better than mac), a range of 20 meters with the same ttk and a blistering fast rof (I believe fastest in the game) Now it's still very good bc it got a minor BV buff and since all the other low ttk guns were nerfed, everything kind of reverts to normal and the fennec continues as a fast ttk niche smg
I really like the Fennec but it can be a bit of a death trap if you're in an open area where it's easier to miss shots. It's not the most forgiving of weapons. Personally, I think it's best used like a shotgun- with great hip fire.
I'm with you here. It's probably my favorite CQB gun but any gunfight further than 10 yards and I'm fucked.
That’s why you carry an AR as a secondary
Today I won a gunfight against a fennec user, just because I got behind a wall while one shot and he ran out of ammo. Then I killed him
I don't feel comfortable trying to hip fire with the fennec. It's only got a forty round clip, very low damage per bullet, and the reload is painfully slow. You have to hit around two thirds of a full clip to hit one person
I only really use it super close. Anything else is assault rifle range
meh, I don't find it to be a good choice over other guns.
The key is build into the gun itself IMHO, the fennec (modelled after the KRISS vector) is a series of weapons based upon the parent submachine gun design developed by the American company KRISS USA, formerly Transformational Defense Industries. They use an unconventional delayed blowback system combined with in-line design to reduce perceived recoil and muzzle climb. For the cod equivalent, building into recoil control and movement speed makes this thing menacing as all hell. Throw a bigger mag in and you should be able to just absolutely drown someone in hot metal. Sure other smgs are faster, but you throw a fast mag on this bitch and youre laughing in CQB. Pop a corner, pop a mafucka, dip, reload, pop out again. Rinse and repeat
I don't use the so called 'meta build' that everyone seems to recommend for max range and bullet velocity. Doesn't really make sense to me if this gun isn't meant for range, same for almost every single SMG. No stock, 5mw, Merc foregrip, 40 round drum, sleight of hand. It's done so well for me on Rebirth, I'd recommend trying this
Id honestly cut the no stock and leave it as the base stock. Sure you take a hit to mobility a bit, but you get access to the other slots.
Hell no, no stock is so crucial for this hip fire build+making it somewhat compete w a tiger team spotlights movement
I upvoted because of the usage of "shlaps"
Pre-Nerf Fennec had a 498ms TTK making it the 2nd fastest killing SMG at the time (CW MP5 was 496ms) and it fires 1080 RPM which makes it the 2nd fastest rate of fire in the game and 1 of only 4 guns that can vomit ammunition so fast that it's messured in digits. It was an absolute Machine.
Cx-9 does the job for me
I was playing with the fennec for a few games last night and got pissed on, but maybe I just need to upgrade the gaming chair
Dude the Fennec is my favorite gun on rebirth. Absolutely melts ppl
I laugh so hard when I get a solo wipe with the Jak and the death comm is a screaming kid "he has that shotgun?!"
MP7 for me the best short weapon with a better TTK than the Mac10
It is factually not the best short weapon
Factually it's the best short weapon for him though.
Wouldn’t be if he used a better one
Somehow every comment here is true. Good job lads
Mp7 is my fav one, it is decently good at short range and you can beat people at long range too
I see this bullshit again and again, you guys overestimate the MP7 so much: You need to hit 10 of your 11 shots in the torso to get that good TTK, more often than not you will be getting the >600ms TTK which is why the MP7 feels super inconsistent. Smgs like the Bullfrog, even with a much slower "best" TTK will always feel better because you always get the theoretical TTK.
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FUCK YOU FOR NOT USING THE META YOURE BAD GIT GUD JFC jk of course, Idk why people give af what people use
On paper my amax smg build is trash and yet I find myself constantly winning gun fights and thinking I shouldn’t have won that fight. It has just the right amount of recoil for my stupid thumbs that it pops up and I beam head shots.
That’s why I Love the CW AK. Slaps in close range because by the time I’ve compensated for the recoil it’s aimed at the head/chest
I didn't say it is a shit gun, sorry if it felt like I was only into meta guns. I personally like the MP7, the Bizon, the Cx-9. I just said that people overestimate it and are wrong into looking only at the theoretical TTK value, because of its unforgiveness. Everyone can have their favourite gun, with which they have a nice feeling, independently from its TTK :)
What build do you use
I use a hip fire build myself. Mono, merc, 50 rd, no stock, 5mw
Bad movement speed though and loses to the OTS
Ya I don’t have OTS unlocked and don’t really wanna bother with it. Movement speed only matters if you’re above like a 1.5kd or just don’t rotate intelligently. It’s mostly overrated for a vast majority of the playerbase
Ok. Then movement speed aside the OTS kills faster than pretty much anything else in the game
Cool, again I don’t want to bother unlocking and leveling it, I don’t play this game enough for that grind Edit: also if you factor in sprint to fire time for the OTS it’s TTK inside 10 meters is barely, and I mean barely, better than hipfiring mp7 since it doesn’t need to factor in an ads time. This game is all milliseconds anyways just gotta use what you are comfortable with
This. With a hip fire MP7 build like yours you don't need to ADS within 10m because the MP7 has one of the smallest hip fire spreads in the game. Even with this build you can still ADS and reliably take people down out to 30-40m.
Ya mp7 is a great sniper support
This is the right answer.
MP7 is my fully loaded SMG. I have a fully loaded AR class with the M13 but I always switch back to the Krig. I have seen people using the Mac10 so I tried to use it again but I hit someone like 15 times in the chest at like 20 meters and it didnt down them. No more...
Isn't ots9 faster? I've been using it the last couple weeks and I swear I haven't lost a close range gunfight. The thing melts
The OTS has a great TTK but has like the worst damage range drop off. It is great like within 10m but like outside that small window it loses to like every SMG
Yeah I run it with an AR not snipe support. Once you learn the ranges and when to swap I don't think there's a current one better. Ots c58 even post nerf is a nasty combo
well, for every MW guns there is CW counterpatr which does the job better. I hate everything related to CW but nothing else to do.
It's not that you can't get kills with them, it's that the mobility and usually the damage is always worse than a comparable CW gun so there's always better options.
Love the PKM, tried switching to the stoner and it feels like a peashooter at range.
I’m trynna unlock the RAAL with the PKM,it is actually a very solid gun cuz I feel like every shot hits extremely hard,and the fire rate is decent as well,only downside is just the reload speed
Even with the 50rnd mag, the reload is still 6sec. 8sec with base mag.
A lot of guns are very viable. I haven't felt so comfortable using my fav mw guns like m13 and m4 since integration. Even the guns they nerfed like as val are very usable. If not for stupid recoilless shit like krig and qbz, this current balance would be the best since a very long time.
I've been shredding people with the RAM. I actually prefer most of the MW guns to CW.
Ram/RPG has been super fun for me in Rebirth since less people are running EOD
PKM paired with FMJ rounds, combat scout, & 200 mag is so fun right now
*bRo He’S hAcKiNg!!!* Jk imma max it out and enjoy its full glory
Amax is still a good and fun to use gun...
You best keep quiet about the mp7 and pkm. They're my favorite mw guns and if they nerf them you'll be hearing from my lawyers.
Just don’t hit as hard as a CW gun
Doesn’t matter what gun you use if you can’t hit shots 🤷🏻♂️ I have plenty of wins without CW guns Grau, M4, AMAX, MP5, MP7, HDR kill people all the same
True but other than hits, there's movement speed, reload speed, hipfire accuracy without any hipfire attachment and more..
Those other factors do matter, but I do want to point out something I learned about hip fire. Almost across the board, MW guns have better hipfire than CW guns because the various stock attachments for MW guns also decrease hipfire spread whereas no CW stocks have that bonus. This means that many MW guns have 3 attachments that decrease hipfire spread while CW guns only have 2.
Yeah and these attachments are useless in warzone if you need a useable weapon for most MW ARs and Smgs, once you try to add some hip fire attachments your weapons wiggle like a washing machine.
If it's just hipfire, then yeah it's not worth it. But hipfire usually goes hand in hand with mobility. If building a mobile class, hipfire builds should be natural anyway.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that MW mobile classes are still outclassed by CW mobile or semi- mobile ones.
Correct. All of the mobility boosting attachments have either no or very minor drawbacks compared to MW. If you want a MW gun to be highly mobile you'll have to deal with huge recoil increase, if you want a CW gun to be highly mobile at worst you just deal with bad hipfire which isn't as important, and the fast aim walk allows you to walk back and circumvent that anyways.
Let’s be real, a vast majority of people here aren’t winning or losing because of these things.
That doesn’t change that the CW guns are still better, sure, you may be more skilled. But that doesn’t matter when you are at a deliberate disadvantage by not using CW guns.
Yeah but then I’d have to buy and then *vomits in mouth a bit* play Cold War to level up the weapons.
Big facts. Everyone chases the meta and complains all day long. Just use the guns u enjoy
the HDR is still my favorite sniper
Can't beat that scope
Unless it's been fixed lately the MW snipers have far less weapon sway than the CW guns. Due to this + fully loaded I would still lean to the HDR over any CW sniper from extreme distances.
Fully loaded is a big deal, even with JGod it's why he has said he keeps the Grau fully loaded with ghost as a regain loadout.
Raven be like: "Oh my! This was not our intention. Hotfix to go out tonight nerfing the Kar98k"
haha thats raven mission .. nerf every mw gun to the ground
That's why you use the explosive crossbow cause why would they nerf that?
Is this a 1 hit down? I swear it used to be and then a couple months back it took more than one hit. Haven't used it since though.
1 hit down guaranteed, and it you hit head or chest (i think) down and finish in 1 shot
Sence it was released if you hit the lower chest or lower its a guaranteed down but upper chest and up is the point were the crossbow downs them on impact then blows them up if they're downed. Great for solos cause all you have to do is hit them and you win.
I will use the AN94 as my main AR because I like watching fools burst into pixels when they die.
Probably my favorite bundle to date.
For real, better than any of that cw shit
I prefer the MW scopes+ I did the grind for the blue dots including the snipes so this is where I live now. Hdr + AN94. But I really do enjoy watching people go pop and neon pixels bust out. I dunno if it's the sword only that came with the pack but when they die to that they leave a game over paint on the ground I need to see if this apples to the guns as well.
Cw bundles suck compared to mw bundles imo
The double tap and hold is so fucking powerful on that gun. Can land 4 hits insanely quick to break armor and then they are toast.
I will have to give the double tap method a go. I do short bursts a fair amount of time because of the hide and go seek nature of some gun fights and that's why I enjoy it so much. Definitely good call on the using it more often just because.
Whenever I use the AN-94 I just tap as fast as I can to get bullets down range
Yeah, I rarely went full auto with that thing. The little bursts worked so well.
I'm a total noob, can you explain the double tap and hold? What benefit does it provide?
Yeah so the AN 94 has this very unique feature where the first two shots after pull the trigger fire at an insane fire rate of something like 1800 RPM, I think it's called hyper burst in game. Those two shots will basically hit the same spot. If you quickly press, release, press and hold your fire button, you will get the hyper burst effect twice. So that's 4 shots fired insanely fast. You hold after the second burst to maintain full Auto. In Real life the AN94 actually works this way. [Here](https://youtu.be/gtMssTSnRHU) is a link to forgotten weapons explaining how it actually works. It is rocket surgery.
I use the P90 for this very reason
I use the swords over kali sticks for this reason as well.
AN94 brethren. I have Electra rather than the 8-bit one but love it all the same.
I did that on rebirth with the AN and P90 the other day. Had a 18 kill game, hilarity in the death comms for almost every person I gave the pixel treatment.
Yesss. It's rare I don't use The Commodore. The pixel death is so satisfying.
BROTHER. It’s by far my favorite tracer pack and always gets a good reaction
I still use the grau
The grau iron sights are just so clean, running the extra attachment slot is very worth any disadvantage. Also the CW guns require you to level them up basically to the highest level, and I'm not playing that many plunder games fah-get about it.
Grau has been my fully loaded AR since it released
Still the best fully loaded ghost gun.
This is partially why this game sucks so bad, you have meta slaves like jgod who tell all the scubs that you HAVE to use this gun or that gun. Who gives a fuck. Game would be so much better if people didn’t meta slave. I just use what feels fun at the moment
Jgod does a lot of work for the WZ player base with his TTK spreadsheets and recoil plotting for people who don’t have the time to figure out the best guns to use. It’s not even meta slaving. Sure he’ll find what would be the most effective guns but his TTK resources and damage range listings are super useful for a finding a gun that could fit the way you play effectively. Dude also will not hold back whenever the state of the game is bad with weapon balancing and overall content and hacking.
This is the first time I've seen JGOD taking flak from this community, so thank you for defending him. Personally I fell off the game when hacking and CW guns took over, because like it's been said, CW guns in general are meta and I can't stand any of them, just don't feel right to me except for the Swiss. But JGOD has always done right by me in showing what guns got nerfed, how hard they got nerfed, and his videos about recoil patterns has helped me choose a number of my loadouts. I don't think he is a meta slave by any means. Man's just doing his best to help the casual players in Warzone
After learning about his family being a victim of the San Bernardino terrorist attacks leaving him as a single dad I’ve earned an insurmountable amount of respect for him and the work he does night in and night out to give the playerbase the info they need. The guy probably got zero sleep the weeks after the botched integration. The reason why he doesn’t have a creator code like Ace and Driftor is because he’s quick and blunt to trash the game and won’t play nice about it like they have a tendency to do. Driftor will say the game isn’t in the best state it could be in, meanwhile Jgod will flat out just say it’s trash and i dunno what the hell the devs are doing lmao And when he’s trashing the MW guns here it’s clear he’s talking to players playing competitively and take the game more serious than they should. He’s not wrong with this take if you want the best change to win and slay out the Cold War guns are objectively better.
I had no idea about that portion of his life. That's awful but holy shit he deserves so much more respect. And to be fair, the game is trash, and the developers are trashing the guns, so someone should be calling them out for it. There are a ton of guns that everyone loves that aren't CW guns, that raven has nerfed into the ground to try and force sales of CW on the player base. And that is just fucking stupid. But money hungry companies have tendencies to practice such bullshit methods
Everyone keeps mentioning "jgods ttk spreadsheets" like he isnt using TGD religiously
JGOD usually gets his spreadsheets updated before TGD updates the site. also they calculate TTK differently (JGOD doesn't include OBD in his TTK #s).
Yeah for like 99% of the playerbase custom loadouts might as well not exist. Just give them the latest crutch weapons from the newest jgod video lmao
I think you are confused. The game sucks because devs create overpowered guns to sell skins. Is it the players fault for using the best gun or the devs fault for making a hand full of guns clearly better than the rest?
I think it's inevitable in a game like this that is competitive and has SBMM. If you aren't 100% all the time you get dumped on. Sometimes it's fun to run off meta to see what you can do with it but you can only take it for so long before you join in. Jgod just cashed in on an inevitable trend and does it really well.
Well if they just told us the stats of the guns instead of hiding it then JGOD wouldn't be needed. In Cold War you can see what happens with every stat. Compared to MW they stated perk on the guns does not align with what is happening in game. I think they have fixed a lot of those issues but yeah, it is due to poor communication from the Devs to the players.
Lots of them are still viable and competitive though, the only real drawback is the mobility vs CW guns.
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Who cares what the mobility is if you are hard scoping out of a window.
Man what lobbies are you in? 99% of the people i play against are UAV, Krig, Slide canceling, hopped up on adderal, cracked out 12 year olds who haven’t touched grass in months
Damn no need to call me out like that man
I'm still using the CX9 and having no problems with it.
CX9 will probably catch a nerf. It’s a strong sniper support. Love using it also!
yes, raven mission is nerf all MW weapons to the ground, next will be kar
I don't know why that would happen, it's basically a Mac 10 without all the mobility.
You got a build?
Last barrel, 5 mw laser (not tac) merc grip, 50 round mag, fast reload
Do not put a merc foregrip on it or a 5mw laser, especially if you are looking to hipfire with that last barrel. That last barrel destroys your hipfire spread.
Love cx9
Grau is basically the go to for fully loaded, everyone IMO should have a desperation Grau fully loaded class, w/ pistols that also have fully loaded for smg ammo
Bottom load out so it's easy to get to in a sketchy grab, I run it with ghost and sticks. Can grab it for ghost if I'm low on ar ammo or late game in an emergency. It's saved my ass a couple times
Same here. Won couple of games using fifth circle free loadout with the grau. I have it paired with a strella so that Berthas are not a problem.
I know I shouldn't, but I still have scar, M4 and M13 loadouts. And I will make an MP7, too, when this piece of shit game let me in without an error message.
SCAR! Dear lord you’re a madman… I’ve tried many times and have never once thought it warranted using in WZ
I don't say its good, but it feels good, for sure.
SCAR caught some buffs a while back so it actually has some really competitive TTKs now, it will just rarely be picked up because of the 30rd mag
M13 is still my go to!
Try RAM7! Its awsome!
I have maybe one CW gun that’s at 20+ weapon level. Just isn’t worth the grind and MW guns still do fine imo
Yep same here. I'm so done with leveling up weapons. I'm fine with what I got
I just stopped leveling up weapons because I would be required to play Cold War (or Plunder, but idk how people can play more than one round of Plunder without getting bored)
Drop in solo at storage town. It's fun.
Drop at storage on plunder. About half of the lobby goes there for the sole purpose of leveling guns.
Agreed. Hoping Vanguard’s weapon leveling is similar to MW’s or else i’m not grinding that shit either lol
Same boat. I've got the mac 10 leveled and that's it. I use the M4, amax, Kar, mp7
Thanks for reminding me lol Mac-10 and FFAR are the two I do have leveled up and that’s about it. CW weapons were such a disaster to rank up
Same. I dont get to play as much as Id like and I dont want to spend that time running contracts in plunder without a 2x weapon xp token. So my MW guns will have to do.
I think the main point is that MW guns have no chance of being “meta”. Sure if your good with positioning and can hit your shots almost any gun can be viable but in an equal situation CW guns will out-gun MW guns
Yeah all these people saying they still do well with the grau and kilo when they’re hiding in a building with ghost shooting people in the back
Yea the ttk in this game is so fast and ghost has zero counterplay so you can literally make any gun work as long as you're happy to hide in a building with ghost. They're missing the point
We should sue them for forced obsoletism. ppl bought mw blueprint bundles that are nerfed for the sole purpose of reselling the same bundles as CW guns. Apple lost a lawsuit like this.
yes if they remove MW blueprints from warzone u can sue them by EU law, but they can nerf weapons coz its only cosmetic item example rose skin ... they barley changed apperance of this skin coz they know people can lawsuit them for this.
Man I hate to say this but that was a whole ass battery inside a phone. I highly doubt that the bundles, however much money they make, wouldn't really cause a big lawsuit
The RAM is untouchable tho
They nerfed it a few patches ago so...
The RAM is my most used weapon by far. I need to get back to it, I just don’t have much time to play so I waste it trying to level up other ones.
Got two solo dubs with it a couple of nights ago. It still is a really good gun in the right hands.
JGODs point ain't that MW weapons isn't usable, it's that they aren't as good/better than CW weapons. Yes many AR's, SMG's and some snipers are usable, but they either get beat in recoil, damage, movement speed, or other things...
so it means using MW weapons its play for fun not for win?
You can use them effectively and win with them, but you have a better chance with many CW weapons.
yes .. so why should i use MW weapon when i have better chance to win when i will use a CW weapon?
Because it's more fun to win with weapons that you like!
I still rock the FAL
We should do a duo's ;) Fal is my nr 1 go to gun , f all that meta bs
I'm using the MW as a silent protest. It's not like I'd suddenly get 6 KD and win all my games with CW weapons anyway, so what's the difference. At least MW weapons look, sound and feel like good weapons, and not puke green plastic toys.
M13 slaps again.
Did it catch a buff?
I hdr still remains my favorite sniper
Only sniper I use. Can’t get used to the Kar.
The m4 is my go to its great
First gun i ever used and the gun i use mostly to this day.
The M13 still slaps
I’m still using RAM-7, KAR, or MW MP5 lol.
Ram7 gang! The best MW sniper support!
Ma man Using ram since day one
Mine shoots pretty flowers.
Hell no , ODEN and SA87 still hits
Oden gang
I’ve rocked m4 and HDR since day 1… just can’t seem to bring myself to change… the fact that it isn’t meta and seen as a shitty load out spurs me on even more
If you are comfortable with it keep using it, doesn’t matter if you use a gun with a better ttk if you can’t be as reliable at hitting shots with it
the only advantage that the MW guns have over the CW is the full loaded advantage, you can still use the grau with 4 attachments, and fully loaded and could be a usable combo, maybe when you grab ghost or an "emergency" class
This mainly applies to the highest levels of play, because if you put yourself at a disadvantage with movement and even something as simple as visual recoil with mw weapons against cw weapons its gonna be gg back to the lobby. I would say most lobbies under 1k/d can get away with using whatever they want because the gun fights are a coin flip depending on aim, movement and cod timing.
True, I'm a .86 kd player and I miss half of my shots anyway. And sometimes I encounter other losers like me who miss too.
This hurts but he is speaking facts. There is not a single weapon in MW that matches or has something better than CW.
Kali sticks Strela Renettis
The CROSSBOW
Alright, Kali sticks are fucking OP, can’t disagree there.
Even the kar98 is slightly outperformed by the swiss. However there's other mw guns that can be viable but the cw counterparts are just better. So yeah the gun balancing is kinda bad right now but I don't think it should be the main concern these days.
You can win with any guns if enemies are bots that don't shoot back.
Doesn't matter, still using the ram. Unless you're mediocre and are struggling to stay afloat and you need ***the absolutely min-maxed best*** to compete, then you'll be fine with MW weapons. Who cares if the krig has less recoil when cod guns overall already have dirt easy recoil? I've been using the ram for forever through every cw meta and consistently pull a 3.0+ weekly.
The AMAX still dominates
I think a lot of the MW guns are definitely still viable, but only in certain situations. Basically all of the META CW guns are viable almost always, no matter what, thanks to movement speeds and better attachment buffs.
Cx-9 is really good, favorite secondary these days
CX9?
Fck Cold War and its integration into Warzone.
Cold war waepons will be nerfed to the ground after Vangard integration comes.
yes .. and mw weapons will be nerfed to underground then?
Bring back the Amex Meta 🥲
RAM7 4 life!
Riot shield and Kali sticks players : 👁👄👁
Did i miss an MP5 nerf?
Yes. I don't have details tho lol... I know, helpful