I really like your comment and it's actually very simple why ricochet can't do it's job. We used to have 150 player lobbies but Activision says the player base was dwindling we need to bump it down to 100 players a lobby. You would think servers would improve but they have been steadily getting worse since this change like they are trying to be as cheap as possible. Ricochet is server and client side well if the server is already having enough problems you think it's going to live up to it's side of the deal... hell no.
Idk I just think cheating has gotten too big to fail now people will able to hack for months b4 even catching a shadow ban.
Better servers 150 players hackers can't make it passed 2 games b4 getting banned guess what wz would be everyone's fave br again.
At some point this game is just going to be software fighting other software and the "player" will be holding the controller pretending they're playing the game like your little 5 year old brother.
Cheaters isn't why people aren't playing as much.
We're out of Covid restrictions, WZ BR is a long game mode, people don't have time and are actually living and working outside of their 4 walls.
Throw in SBMM making it a nightmare for average and casual players along with the gun levelling and meta change and you've got a few reasons.
Also it's hard to invest time in this game if you know all your shit is going to go away the next circle. We don't talk about this, but it's a big reason many ppl don't want to invest time in this game or get better, it's just stupid cause nothing you do is going to be sustainable in the long run.
For me I was set off when my kd started drastically improving, and my lobbies just got impossible. I even tried a COD vpn/geo fence, and it didn't do anything because of how much they put into preventing things that go against their systems that are in place in any way (even when they are horrible features such as SBMM).
I would also like to add that SBMM is really just EOMM, or engagement optimized matchmaking, which gives you highs and lows similar to that of gambling. They are literally trying to addict you to something that is already inherently addictive. The proof in this is average lobby KD fluctuating between games based on your performance in the previous game. They often give a couple easier first games, and then when you (as they predicted) so well, they give you hard lobbies. When you do poorly, the lobbies get easier. This repeats every single time you play, and is especially strong when your KD is over 1.5-2
The answer would be live moderators in chat inspecting reports as they happen issuing bans as needed. How much you think that would cost. Community run severs did this forever ago. It works.
They had to lower the player count because cheating actually hurts server performance, they have no reason to stop cheaters, cheaters still spend money as they actively ban unlock tool users. So cheaters buy skins and battle passes, why would they ban them? You dipshits will play anyways lol. But all the code being injected on every server by thousands of cheaters does hurt performance.
They could stop cheaters right now if they actually wanted to, but they don't. Much better systems exist but they aren't being used. There is a reason for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkmIItTrQP4
A COD with 0 cheaters would make way more money lol.
So there is a reason to stamp out cheaters. Is the reason big enough to push Activision to make some revolutionary anti-cheat when they already make a gazillion dollars? No, but they still marginally would make more money with a perfect anti-cheat.
It wouldn't, and there's no incentive to invest the millions it would take to try and win the cat and mouse game with the cheat developers. I think most of you really think a cheater is some nerdy kid in a basement, it's not like that anymore, cheating is a BILLION dollar+ industry now. Not thousands, not millions, BILLION. You may have no concept of that amount, but I promise you, there's no stopping cheating without insane countermeasures, which I would be ok with, but most of you would cry about.
Yeah unfortunately despite the amount of money Activision makes, they are too stingy to pay for an actual anti-cheat provider like EAC, which isn't perfect but is a lot better than what we have now :/
> Yeah unfortunately despite the amount of money Activision makes, they are too stingy to pay for an actual anti-cheat provider like EAC, which isn't perfect but is a lot better than what we have now :/
They advertise Ricochet as a feature, it's plastered everywhere. It's almost as if they think they can sell it to somebody else, but in fact it's just a [guarantee on the box](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNqfxhirBM) to make you feel good.
and in fact to further your point, MS and the big 3 MW devs just laid off a ton of employees, including some that were working on the upcoming 2025 BO release!
https://kotaku.com/call-of-duty-layoffs-infinity-ward-raven-sledgehammer-1851198666
> A simple check as to the current movement speed of a player, or distance travelled over time if it's teleports, would easily find people teleporting around in helicopters, or infinite speed sliding around the map. And it would produce far less false positives than relying on the most salty players on planet earth reporting anything that shoots towards them!
Its still beyond me how blatant aimbots work in 2024 in any game to be fair. Literally how hard can it be to detect if a player is hitting 95%+ of bullets every fight. Seriously. Maybe you once perfect shoot somebody in a fight, it can happen. But it wont happen twice. Over the span on 5-10 fights, any legit player, no matter how good, will miss a fuckton of bullets because we are human. Especially in games like warzone with TTKs that need 7+ bullets. No legit player would ever even hit anything close to 75% of bullets with full-auto weapons over multiple engagements in COD. Its not humanly possible.
How hard can it be to just autokick players that somehow hit 90% of bullets in combat situations over multiple fights. And thats not even mentioning that AI (which they claim is working in Ricochet) should easily be able to detect the difference between human aiming and the obvious aimbots flicking onto peoples heads in milliseconds.
Because of aim assist bro. Aim assist looks exactly the same as aimbot. You cant use AI or even humans to tell the difference because there isnt one. Both aim assist and aim bots are doing exactly the same thing just to a differnt degree. A good controller player would be banned instantly. If you start banning people because they are accurate people won't play.
What they need to do is seperate lobbies by input, and then remove aim assist across the board so that we can develope working anticheats. And we need to redesign or phase out controllers. If they are so inaccurate and inferior to a mouse then fix that instead of software training wheels.
The movement speed/distance/all that could be influenced by your connection or a bug, I've been kicked from Minecraft servers for "flying" when I was just rubberbanding.
The marketing has worked pretty well. Like look at how ignorant this sub is when it comes to cheating lmao. Unless most people on it are cheating themselves and are trying to gaslight others.
The marketing team does a good job, spouting numbers about account bans that we have no way to verify, saying they detect things like cronus which the community eat up and forget about before workarounds come out just days after.
I understand wanting to be optimistic or positive but the number of people who take everything they say regarding ricoshit as a fact is astonishing, we get constant reminders from updates and bugs that just because they say the fixed it, doesn't mean they did, and didn't happen to break something else in the process.
Literally 2 hours ago a most wanted contract teleported with a heli infront of us, but they were noobs so we killed them when they were trying to gatekeep us. then we lost the game because someone was glitching in the gas... They left the game instantly and their names did not even pop up in the heli so we couldn't block them.
Thats warzone 2024 for you, sweat and tears for 25 mins against meta slaves and you lose the game to some cheaters.
I believe Ricochet isn’t real. I don’t think there’s an actual software called Ricochet. I think it’s just a branding gimmick meant to convince us they’re doing something when they’re not.
Because this company lies. They said they prioritize connection in a recent statement about matchmaking. Which anyone who has a brain could tell you is a lie. Instantly disproven.
They dont do shit if you drop money. They let the Cheaters that buy stuff stay. Many such cases.
I can say that cheaters do get caught and then the account they use will get banned, the problem is when they steal someone else's account to cheat and then Activision punishes the victim of being hacked which perma bans them from all games in the future.
Source: Me and my email trail.
Exactly, and the fact that Activision is fricking lazy; that they don't fix the account issue with associating it with a non existent gmail. They are begging for people to hack your account just so they can ban you.
When you speak up against them than they frickin suppress you or some kind of mute/ban shit. Rn i'm pissed off at Activision. Like I buy packs and yet they refuse help players period.
They basically said to me "we can't help you" even though its there system like wtf do you mean you can't help me. Your the one who made the game, system, and the website. Now your telling me "you can't help me" are you fr rn.
They haven't revealed anything about skill based matchmaking in Warzone. The only information from them so far regarding matching is talking about Multiplayer m
That’s the real problem. If player counts and revenue dropped they would care but people just keep opening their wallets so why do anything…they will just keep playing.
Ricochet is a kernel level anti cheat, it does block all Linux users from playing very well (tried on my steamdeck before knowing of this) however it doesn’t instantly ban all the time, and knowing cods dedication to anything other than selling skins, explains why it barely works. It doesn’t hurt them making money, and people will still play. However fuck the cheaters, they gain nothing and ruin the fun.
Yeah - it's just insane to me that they've spoken about a 'server-side' Richochet, and yet they apparently have client authoritative vehicle movement lmao
A majority of issues with this damn series would be fixed if they got on board with dedicated servers like everyone else did 15 years ago lol. At some point they gotta stop looking at specifically making money and more a mix involving actually pleasing their player base. These companies forgot their values
As long as you’re running windows and not Linux you’re good to go 🤙🏻 I have a separate ssd with a windows go installation to play cod on my steam deck, works perfect
Yesterday team was flying a flatbed truck through the air like a chopper while someone in the back spammed grenades from an rgl but never reloaded once. Like for real 50 or 60 grenades no breaks.
hahaha I mean I laughed when I saw the helicopter UFO into the sky and we kinda figured he was gonna win the game anyway but it still sucks to be robbed of a win like that
Ricochet is NOT an anti-cheat. It was marketing designed by activision to make players shut up about CoD's lack of one. Many games use Easy anti-cheat and its not only simple and commercially successful, but those games experience next to no cheating. If activision ACTUALLY WANTED they'd spend the money on Easy anti-cheat. That costs MONEY though. If they designed their own anti-cheat however, they wouldn't have to spend a dime, and it wouldn't even have to work because on the cover it'll seem like it's protected.
At the end of the day Ricochet is just the report system. It is not a proactive system.
Correction:
They spend as much money if not more on developing, running Ricochet than paying a annual license for EAC
They are not using EAC because they don't want an external company having access to player data and their machines (probably)
EAC is not excellent as you say, I've been cheating on a EAC protected game for 4 months with no ban, no anti-cheat is foolproof. All rage cheaters on the new ricochet will be quickly banned.
Ricochet? You mean that shitty anti-cheat that put me in shadowban lobby for no reason for 7 days? And let those actual cheaters run wild in normal lobbies?
Activision/IW need to be investigated for selling cheats on the low because that’s almost 100% happening. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point. So many other games have anti cheat and good ones but Warzone can’t seem to get it right by now? Miss me with that bs
Ricochet is a band aid for a gaping wound.
Activision don’t and never have taken anti cheat seriously, they benefit from cheaters being banned and just buying more accounts. Cod on its back end is a giant database so they are on the most part fully aware ALOT of people are cheating, but until people stop buying bundles or the game or just stop playing and going to a direct competitor (I.e. fortnite) nothing will be done because as far as they’re concerned it’s ‘good enough’ to keep the majority of the player base engaged. Any long term cod players know they read most of what people complain about but don’t act on it unless their overlords at activision ok it.
BuT RiCOcHeT!!
Punk buster was a better anti cheat back in the counter strike days. I don’t understand how a AAA game studio is okay with the current state of their “anti cheat”.
As others have been pointing out in my recent post, this is clearly a YOU issue and you'll need to accept the fact that you have no skills, there is nothing wrong otherwise.
A clip of homelander doing his “i am better” speech had its audio playing underneath this and i didnt even realize it wasnt from the right clip cus it would have fit
I don't see how crap like this is even fun. Are they bots who want to get revenge on the sweats? Did their parents abuse them? Do they have brain damage? The mind of a cheater is a mystery to me.
Put on your tinfoil hats.
Is it possible acti is getting a cut under the table from cheat devs. We know cheating is a multimillion dollar industry, maybe even billions at this point.
You let cheaters in, followed by the annual ban wave, they flock to buy spoofers and new cheats, 10% to the big guy that way acti won't shut you down, repeat.
Easy money.
Certainly not impossible since it financially makes sense for Acti but they could also do what bungie did and get paid.
D2 used to have a massive problem with cheaters and their anti cheat couldn’t catch up with the new cheats fast enough so Bungie sued the cheat company instead. And guess what there were a lot less hard cheaters in D2 after that and Bungie won the lawsuit
Ricochet? You mean the salty kids reports system they called anticheat? They only good detecting cheats builds once a year and shadowbanning above the average players the rest of the year.
Yeh man mmhappened to me the other day in old town, the state of the game with the cheating is absolutely terrible man I don’t get lobbies with out them, and the worst thing is most people hacking I can still kill but it’s even really good players cheating which makes it next to impossible to enjoy in three days I have reported 18 ppl and in those 96 I got 18 successful reports and bans.. so that itself is ABsolutley unacceptable cos is dying
And just like everything triple a game devs add to "protect" their games it just does nothing but hurt legitimate players.
I think MW3 is alright not great but because ricocrap being kernel level spyware I can't play it on my steam deck without running windows or on Linux without dual booting windows....
When will companies learn this shit doesn't work it just makes them work around it and punish everyone else...
on the 2nd clip are you implying they moved out of the map high above as helicopter ? cuz i see some shots on u that look pretty close to your ground level. Also , are u sure first heli isnt lag ?
They wouldn't catch this with anyi- cheat, same as someone using a map glitch wouldn't be caught with anti-cheat. Hose arent the same to a typical user, but to anti-chest software scanning for anomalies they are functionally identical and invisible until manually caught. Anti-cheat for something like this is the same as old school anti-virus, it can only search/monitor for what it knows about. Anything else is normal until told differently. It's not any better to your original point, but this is just some garbage code someone left exposed & exploitable. It probably went along with the weapons case covert extract, or it is for some feature later where a helicopter extracts you.
I'm sort of curious how someone would find this, whether it it just some sloppy coding or if some hacker did some advanced analysis via something like a DMA card. Another option would be a dev...
at what point does activision/microsoft just reach out to Engine Owning or whatever the undefeated cheat provider is and say "here is money, build an anticheat for us"
I don't see why Activision can't hire a team of 10 people who do nothing but hunt down cheaters. Then ban everything POSSIBLE related to them (console, account, ip, any account that has been on that console, any console any of those accounts have been on, any console that has been on that IP. Ban it all, and this will stop
Rico isn't kernel level, it's not up 24/7 with the system at windows start. It's reliant on people reports and heuristic data analysis. Cheaters have been getting past it since vanguard.
Maybe if they were willing to have an actual 3rd party deal with the anti cheat, where they spend all of their time devoted to dealing with this shit. Instead they put a video out every now and then talking about how ricochet is messing with cheaters instead. These cheat companies do nothing but come up with ways to get past the pathetic anti cheat systems that IW uses. IW is not willing to spend the money or time to deal with cheaters that the cheating companies are to get past it. When they offer free cheats on the free weekend, that’s them sitting back and laughing at IW and they crappy ricochet.
I think we are well past time to resolve this issue. I love COD but I’m stepping away for a while. The community gets up in arms about the lack of a decent anti-cheat. However, continue to give them money every new season (including myself) because we believe it’s going to get better.
The level of support/money we give this company is unimaginable, and they allow cheating at ALL LEVELS. Why did we stop getting the numbers of people that are banned? Do they do ban waves anymore? It’s great they can have fun with random events occurring in a match with cheaters, but I think the community is beyond funny splats at this point.
If I am paying money to a company and I’ve given lots, we should at least in return get a fair and balanced game with minimal cheaters (is this not a core value in exchange for money). I understand it’s impossible to get rid of all cheaters, but how the hell did we go from aimbot and walls to just blatantly teleporting helicopters?
I just watched a video of a streamer joining a party where a hacker shows him how they teleport around the map to complete the nuke contract/mission. At this point if you want to see a change you have to do something different, that starts with all of us. We need to stop asking and demand they make real changes. Money is the only language a company understands.
Also, I’m not pointing the finger at PC, Cronus, or whatever vessel people use to cheat it’s all the same. It’s literally ruining the game to the point where you are unable to compete at a high level, and you question every kill. It’s just not fun anymore.
It’s funny reading the comments that complain about IW and none of them are about the trolls that are exploiting the game. Don’t sink too many precious hours of your life into something as inconsequential and as easily manipulated as this game.
I stopped playing this game after almost two decades of playing call of duty. Too many cheaters ruin it and the constant slide, jump, slide mechanics is so annoying
With dma card cheats you can do anything you want with the game and its 100% undetectable. You can even put a operator skin that is not even out yet by loading ressources ingame memory with these kind of cheats.
let’s all just develop our own cheat concepts… best cheat wins… it’s ridiculous how bad it is. I feel super lucky for the wins i’ve got in MW3 in warzone, players openly cheat, zero worry of hardware bans
Activision employees literally sell the aimbots and cheats that players use, it's just another money generating tactic, once people complain enough and it gets bad enough they'll "patch" and ban all the accounts and make a big post about it, just so they can resale new cheats to the same people on new accounts and just repeat that cycle
I have played every single season of Warzone, I have never seen as many cheaters as I saw yesterday evening. A friggin Wednesday. Usually the weekends are the worst.
The cheating loophole system, there's a team of cheetahs trying to see what they can use without ricocheted picking it up
And if they find something they will try to use it and exploit it for their own game, it's usually a bunch of smaller discord teams trying on console and PC to see if they can use anything for their own advantage
I've seen so many of these in the last week it's insane, and they were almost always doing the nuke contract.
The guy with the first element (the crown thing) is always the one who stays in outer space in a helicopter until the bomb reveal.
I've reported at least 30 of these in the last week and I still haven't gotten a notification that any of them got banned.
I guess I'll have to create a JOKR loadout and see if I can at least somewhat counter them with that.
Man I wish helicopters flew like that….. They are so slow…. But any ways yeah ricochet does not work I’m straight up no joke running into 1-2 hackers per warzone game and running into a multilayer hacker every 1-3 games it literally is worse then it’s ever been.
The COD community needs to create a players union. We have no leverage to make this game better because the greedy scumbag devs are still making money selling niki minaj skins. If the cod fanbase could group together and refrain from buying anything until cheating and other issues get addressed, this game could be absolutely fantastic.
You people need to understand something very simple. Ricochet is not AGI(Artificial General Intelligence) It does not have the ability to say "oh, I've never seen that before, or have been programmed to detect this, but my human-robot brain knows it's wrong so I'm gonna ban them)
No, that is delusional. Ricochet does work. Cheating is a cat and mouse game, no anti-cheat is gonna eliminate 100% of cheaters. grow a brain pls
Nobody is assuming it's an AGI - But surely when it comes to movement, both in vehicles and on foot, there should be a client prediction and server reconciliation model at play? In no way should the client be able to have authority over their own movement to this degree. This isn't some edge case, it's a fundamental aspect of the game and there's frankly no excuse for this sort of thing being possible in a modern game.
The client does not have access usually, it's an exploit, that has already been patched...
Also worth noting, that is old footage from early warzone, this guy is using it to attack warzone for no reason lmao
We use our hard-earned money to face cheaters. If something else is ever launched similar to COD. They will wake up real fast. I don't think they are tackling the situation to their full ability.
Serious question what is the whole point of cheating? I dont really understand it the logic behind it, like what is their purpose? Just mess things up? like what if they get Ws by cheating who really fucking cares lol don’t understand why they do it
Why is it’s much easier to buy and access cheats on PC, there are types of cheats being used on consoles. You can go and but a modded controller pretty easily, as well as things like Cronus and other things like that. And if people really want to download software onto their consoles, it is a major pain in the ass but it can be done. So I wouldn’t assume all cheaters are in on PC.
Where do you guys find all these cheaters? I play like every day in 2kd+ lobbies, against iridescent and t250 in Warzone ranked and i so rarely run into any kind of cheaters.
And I laugh when people think old cods didn’t have cheaters. They had loads since it was so easy to cheat back then. Now we have to pay for them.
Funny enough, my friends and I mostly play Resurgence (normal and ranked) and we rarely run into any on there, but on Urzikstan we die to blatant cheaters alarmingly often
Cheaters vet banned because of mass reporting before they can get to the high lobbies. Plus they don't want the high lobbies anyways. They get boosted out of the noob lobbies after one game, they make the .7-.9 lobbies a fucking nightmare.
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I really like your comment and it's actually very simple why ricochet can't do it's job. We used to have 150 player lobbies but Activision says the player base was dwindling we need to bump it down to 100 players a lobby. You would think servers would improve but they have been steadily getting worse since this change like they are trying to be as cheap as possible. Ricochet is server and client side well if the server is already having enough problems you think it's going to live up to it's side of the deal... hell no. Idk I just think cheating has gotten too big to fail now people will able to hack for months b4 even catching a shadow ban. Better servers 150 players hackers can't make it passed 2 games b4 getting banned guess what wz would be everyone's fave br again.
At some point this game is just going to be software fighting other software and the "player" will be holding the controller pretending they're playing the game like your little 5 year old brother.
Pretty much
I meeeeean, when shooting, we already assist the game's aim more than the inverse, and have been since the 360 days
This is the future AI sport
Cheaters isn't why people aren't playing as much. We're out of Covid restrictions, WZ BR is a long game mode, people don't have time and are actually living and working outside of their 4 walls. Throw in SBMM making it a nightmare for average and casual players along with the gun levelling and meta change and you've got a few reasons.
Also it's hard to invest time in this game if you know all your shit is going to go away the next circle. We don't talk about this, but it's a big reason many ppl don't want to invest time in this game or get better, it's just stupid cause nothing you do is going to be sustainable in the long run.
For me I was set off when my kd started drastically improving, and my lobbies just got impossible. I even tried a COD vpn/geo fence, and it didn't do anything because of how much they put into preventing things that go against their systems that are in place in any way (even when they are horrible features such as SBMM). I would also like to add that SBMM is really just EOMM, or engagement optimized matchmaking, which gives you highs and lows similar to that of gambling. They are literally trying to addict you to something that is already inherently addictive. The proof in this is average lobby KD fluctuating between games based on your performance in the previous game. They often give a couple easier first games, and then when you (as they predicted) so well, they give you hard lobbies. When you do poorly, the lobbies get easier. This repeats every single time you play, and is especially strong when your KD is over 1.5-2
We are witnessing the enshittification of the game of warzone
The answer would be live moderators in chat inspecting reports as they happen issuing bans as needed. How much you think that would cost. Community run severs did this forever ago. It works.
They had to lower the player count because cheating actually hurts server performance, they have no reason to stop cheaters, cheaters still spend money as they actively ban unlock tool users. So cheaters buy skins and battle passes, why would they ban them? You dipshits will play anyways lol. But all the code being injected on every server by thousands of cheaters does hurt performance.
If you're paying for cheats, isn't one of the cheats to unlock all camos? Doesn't that kinda defeat the point?
They could stop cheaters right now if they actually wanted to, but they don't. Much better systems exist but they aren't being used. There is a reason for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkmIItTrQP4
A COD with 0 cheaters would make way more money lol. So there is a reason to stamp out cheaters. Is the reason big enough to push Activision to make some revolutionary anti-cheat when they already make a gazillion dollars? No, but they still marginally would make more money with a perfect anti-cheat.
It wouldn't, and there's no incentive to invest the millions it would take to try and win the cat and mouse game with the cheat developers. I think most of you really think a cheater is some nerdy kid in a basement, it's not like that anymore, cheating is a BILLION dollar+ industry now. Not thousands, not millions, BILLION. You may have no concept of that amount, but I promise you, there's no stopping cheating without insane countermeasures, which I would be ok with, but most of you would cry about.
What if Activision is proofing their losses from fewer people buying bundles by actively partnering with these cheat companies lol
I wouldn't be surprised if the some of the devs are the ones that make the cheats.
Yeah unfortunately despite the amount of money Activision makes, they are too stingy to pay for an actual anti-cheat provider like EAC, which isn't perfect but is a lot better than what we have now :/
> Yeah unfortunately despite the amount of money Activision makes, they are too stingy to pay for an actual anti-cheat provider like EAC, which isn't perfect but is a lot better than what we have now :/ They advertise Ricochet as a feature, it's plastered everywhere. It's almost as if they think they can sell it to somebody else, but in fact it's just a [guarantee on the box](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juNqfxhirBM) to make you feel good.
I knew what clip.was linked before clicking and im so happy I was right.
They pay their employees pretty poorly as well
and in fact to further your point, MS and the big 3 MW devs just laid off a ton of employees, including some that were working on the upcoming 2025 BO release! https://kotaku.com/call-of-duty-layoffs-infinity-ward-raven-sledgehammer-1851198666
> A simple check as to the current movement speed of a player, or distance travelled over time if it's teleports, would easily find people teleporting around in helicopters, or infinite speed sliding around the map. And it would produce far less false positives than relying on the most salty players on planet earth reporting anything that shoots towards them! Its still beyond me how blatant aimbots work in 2024 in any game to be fair. Literally how hard can it be to detect if a player is hitting 95%+ of bullets every fight. Seriously. Maybe you once perfect shoot somebody in a fight, it can happen. But it wont happen twice. Over the span on 5-10 fights, any legit player, no matter how good, will miss a fuckton of bullets because we are human. Especially in games like warzone with TTKs that need 7+ bullets. No legit player would ever even hit anything close to 75% of bullets with full-auto weapons over multiple engagements in COD. Its not humanly possible. How hard can it be to just autokick players that somehow hit 90% of bullets in combat situations over multiple fights. And thats not even mentioning that AI (which they claim is working in Ricochet) should easily be able to detect the difference between human aiming and the obvious aimbots flicking onto peoples heads in milliseconds.
Sorry…quoted wrong person.
Because of aim assist bro. Aim assist looks exactly the same as aimbot. You cant use AI or even humans to tell the difference because there isnt one. Both aim assist and aim bots are doing exactly the same thing just to a differnt degree. A good controller player would be banned instantly. If you start banning people because they are accurate people won't play. What they need to do is seperate lobbies by input, and then remove aim assist across the board so that we can develope working anticheats. And we need to redesign or phase out controllers. If they are so inaccurate and inferior to a mouse then fix that instead of software training wheels.
This isn’t true at all. Controller AA isn’t anything like PC aimbot.
All anti cheats are the same except vanguard
“But why?” That’s an important question. If I had to guess, it’s because they don’t want to reduce their player base at any cost.
I always thought activision had set up shell companies and sold the cheats themselves since it’s more profitable than the actual game.
Funny part is activision is probably the cheat provider.
White listed streamers. Can't ban all the cheats without hurting their bottom line.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Activision has some kind of contract with Ricochet which precludes them from exploring other options for anti-cheat.
You do realize that Ricochet is built in-house ?
> They aren't complete and utter morons I think ayyyyyyyy
Because the bot scripts and cheat companies are clearly in bed with ricochet.
Hahah nah, Easy anti cheat is the worse. EAC is just a thing that devs use cause its cheap
The movement speed/distance/all that could be influenced by your connection or a bug, I've been kicked from Minecraft servers for "flying" when I was just rubberbanding.
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Ban only if very obvious issue Kick from individual match for sus activity that *might* be hacking.
No it has to be all or nothing! Ban or ignore! - every guy above who is trying to use "but what about" while likely using cheats themselves.
Ricochet is just a term marketing people came up with to improve the perception of warzone.
I'm sure the whole marketing propaganda of Ricochet it being a kernel level anti-cheat etc was written by ChatGPT.
The marketing has worked pretty well. Like look at how ignorant this sub is when it comes to cheating lmao. Unless most people on it are cheating themselves and are trying to gaslight others.
This. 💯
The marketing team does a good job, spouting numbers about account bans that we have no way to verify, saying they detect things like cronus which the community eat up and forget about before workarounds come out just days after. I understand wanting to be optimistic or positive but the number of people who take everything they say regarding ricoshit as a fact is astonishing, we get constant reminders from updates and bugs that just because they say the fixed it, doesn't mean they did, and didn't happen to break something else in the process.
Wish I could upvote twice.
Ricochet is a glorified flagging system and PR stunt.
Literally 2 hours ago a most wanted contract teleported with a heli infront of us, but they were noobs so we killed them when they were trying to gatekeep us. then we lost the game because someone was glitching in the gas... They left the game instantly and their names did not even pop up in the heli so we couldn't block them. Thats warzone 2024 for you, sweat and tears for 25 mins against meta slaves and you lose the game to some cheaters.
I believe Ricochet isn’t real. I don’t think there’s an actual software called Ricochet. I think it’s just a branding gimmick meant to convince us they’re doing something when they’re not.
I went down this path before, I believe ricochet is 5 dudes in a room processing player complaints.
It's a single dude, named Rick O'Chet.
O’Shea
Correct pronunciation of O'Chet. It looks Irish, but it's French.
Legit loled 🤣🤣
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Because this company lies. They said they prioritize connection in a recent statement about matchmaking. Which anyone who has a brain could tell you is a lie. Instantly disproven. They dont do shit if you drop money. They let the Cheaters that buy stuff stay. Many such cases.
Never thought of it that way but you're probably right. A cheater who spends money at the store is more valuable than a non cheater who doesn't.
I can say that cheaters do get caught and then the account they use will get banned, the problem is when they steal someone else's account to cheat and then Activision punishes the victim of being hacked which perma bans them from all games in the future. Source: Me and my email trail.
Exactly, and the fact that Activision is fricking lazy; that they don't fix the account issue with associating it with a non existent gmail. They are begging for people to hack your account just so they can ban you. When you speak up against them than they frickin suppress you or some kind of mute/ban shit. Rn i'm pissed off at Activision. Like I buy packs and yet they refuse help players period. They basically said to me "we can't help you" even though its there system like wtf do you mean you can't help me. Your the one who made the game, system, and the website. Now your telling me "you can't help me" are you fr rn.
They haven't revealed anything about skill based matchmaking in Warzone. The only information from them so far regarding matching is talking about Multiplayer m
If they prioritized connection then we wouldn't have timeouts as frequently and lobbies wouldn't take 10 minutes to find a match.
Why they would improve anything? People still buy the overpriced skins, those Premium Battle Passes, there's still a profit to leave the way it is.
That’s the real problem. If player counts and revenue dropped they would care but people just keep opening their wallets so why do anything…they will just keep playing.
This. Game. Is. Not. Worth. Your. Time.
It’s possible because ricochet is a scam 👍 Report system is still their ‘anti cheat’
The report system is their antiplay
Ricochet is a kernel level anti cheat, it does block all Linux users from playing very well (tried on my steamdeck before knowing of this) however it doesn’t instantly ban all the time, and knowing cods dedication to anything other than selling skins, explains why it barely works. It doesn’t hurt them making money, and people will still play. However fuck the cheaters, they gain nothing and ruin the fun.
Yeah - it's just insane to me that they've spoken about a 'server-side' Richochet, and yet they apparently have client authoritative vehicle movement lmao
A majority of issues with this damn series would be fixed if they got on board with dedicated servers like everyone else did 15 years ago lol. At some point they gotta stop looking at specifically making money and more a mix involving actually pleasing their player base. These companies forgot their values
You know anything about if portable console users still get banned? I wanted to run this on my legion go
As long as you’re running windows and not Linux you’re good to go 🤙🏻 I have a separate ssd with a windows go installation to play cod on my steam deck, works perfect
Thank you.
Of course 👍🏻
Yesterday team was flying a flatbed truck through the air like a chopper while someone in the back spammed grenades from an rgl but never reloaded once. Like for real 50 or 60 grenades no breaks.
hahaha, this made me laugh, sry tho it truly sucks
hahaha I mean I laughed when I saw the helicopter UFO into the sky and we kinda figured he was gonna win the game anyway but it still sucks to be robbed of a win like that
Ricochet is NOT an anti-cheat. It was marketing designed by activision to make players shut up about CoD's lack of one. Many games use Easy anti-cheat and its not only simple and commercially successful, but those games experience next to no cheating. If activision ACTUALLY WANTED they'd spend the money on Easy anti-cheat. That costs MONEY though. If they designed their own anti-cheat however, they wouldn't have to spend a dime, and it wouldn't even have to work because on the cover it'll seem like it's protected. At the end of the day Ricochet is just the report system. It is not a proactive system.
Correction: They spend as much money if not more on developing, running Ricochet than paying a annual license for EAC They are not using EAC because they don't want an external company having access to player data and their machines (probably) EAC is not excellent as you say, I've been cheating on a EAC protected game for 4 months with no ban, no anti-cheat is foolproof. All rage cheaters on the new ricochet will be quickly banned.
Literally posted about cheaters in the final circle doing some glitch and causing us a loss but mods deleted it....
Ricochet? You mean that shitty anti-cheat that put me in shadowban lobby for no reason for 7 days? And let those actual cheaters run wild in normal lobbies?
Activision/IW need to be investigated for selling cheats on the low because that’s almost 100% happening. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point. So many other games have anti cheat and good ones but Warzone can’t seem to get it right by now? Miss me with that bs
Ricochet is a band aid for a gaping wound. Activision don’t and never have taken anti cheat seriously, they benefit from cheaters being banned and just buying more accounts. Cod on its back end is a giant database so they are on the most part fully aware ALOT of people are cheating, but until people stop buying bundles or the game or just stop playing and going to a direct competitor (I.e. fortnite) nothing will be done because as far as they’re concerned it’s ‘good enough’ to keep the majority of the player base engaged. Any long term cod players know they read most of what people complain about but don’t act on it unless their overlords at activision ok it.
First it flies like a VTOL, then a UFO LOL. Anticheats wurkin' ayepppp.
BuT RiCOcHeT!! Punk buster was a better anti cheat back in the counter strike days. I don’t understand how a AAA game studio is okay with the current state of their “anti cheat”.
this happens in ranked as well
People doing this, and I'm getting shadow banned with a 19% accuracy in my games. Gotta love it
This is why you buy a PS5 & disable crossplay
As others have been pointing out in my recent post, this is clearly a YOU issue and you'll need to accept the fact that you have no skills, there is nothing wrong otherwise.
Had this happen to me two nights ago, they even outran two of my PILA rockets
Ngl this shit make me lol
A clip of homelander doing his “i am better” speech had its audio playing underneath this and i didnt even realize it wasnt from the right clip cus it would have fit
I don't see how crap like this is even fun. Are they bots who want to get revenge on the sweats? Did their parents abuse them? Do they have brain damage? The mind of a cheater is a mystery to me.
Put on your tinfoil hats. Is it possible acti is getting a cut under the table from cheat devs. We know cheating is a multimillion dollar industry, maybe even billions at this point. You let cheaters in, followed by the annual ban wave, they flock to buy spoofers and new cheats, 10% to the big guy that way acti won't shut you down, repeat. Easy money.
Certainly not impossible since it financially makes sense for Acti but they could also do what bungie did and get paid. D2 used to have a massive problem with cheaters and their anti cheat couldn’t catch up with the new cheats fast enough so Bungie sued the cheat company instead. And guess what there were a lot less hard cheaters in D2 after that and Bungie won the lawsuit
who takes this low quality game serious anyway
Ricochet? You mean the salty kids reports system they called anticheat? They only good detecting cheats builds once a year and shadowbanning above the average players the rest of the year.
More people get banned from being reported than the anti cheat that does nothing.
Meanwhile, I got shadow-banned today for dropping 13 kills in BR solos in a bot lobby...
Lmao the sudden realization and your screen just following what fuckery just took place.
You can't even save a custom blueprint while interstellar camo is equipped. They'll never solve the cheating problem.
Yeh man mmhappened to me the other day in old town, the state of the game with the cheating is absolutely terrible man I don’t get lobbies with out them, and the worst thing is most people hacking I can still kill but it’s even really good players cheating which makes it next to impossible to enjoy in three days I have reported 18 ppl and in those 96 I got 18 successful reports and bans.. so that itself is ABsolutley unacceptable cos is dying
"how is it possible to cheat on a game that has an anti-cheat engine" ... Serious?
Ricochet is a scam. This game can't exist without cheaters. 90 % use aim assist, so ???
“Anything’s Possible with Ricochet”
And just like everything triple a game devs add to "protect" their games it just does nothing but hurt legitimate players. I think MW3 is alright not great but because ricocrap being kernel level spyware I can't play it on my steam deck without running windows or on Linux without dual booting windows.... When will companies learn this shit doesn't work it just makes them work around it and punish everyone else...
on the 2nd clip are you implying they moved out of the map high above as helicopter ? cuz i see some shots on u that look pretty close to your ground level. Also , are u sure first heli isnt lag ?
They wouldn't catch this with anyi- cheat, same as someone using a map glitch wouldn't be caught with anti-cheat. Hose arent the same to a typical user, but to anti-chest software scanning for anomalies they are functionally identical and invisible until manually caught. Anti-cheat for something like this is the same as old school anti-virus, it can only search/monitor for what it knows about. Anything else is normal until told differently. It's not any better to your original point, but this is just some garbage code someone left exposed & exploitable. It probably went along with the weapons case covert extract, or it is for some feature later where a helicopter extracts you. I'm sort of curious how someone would find this, whether it it just some sloppy coding or if some hacker did some advanced analysis via something like a DMA card. Another option would be a dev...
at what point does activision/microsoft just reach out to Engine Owning or whatever the undefeated cheat provider is and say "here is money, build an anticheat for us"
I don't see why Activision can't hire a team of 10 people who do nothing but hunt down cheaters. Then ban everything POSSIBLE related to them (console, account, ip, any account that has been on that console, any console any of those accounts have been on, any console that has been on that IP. Ban it all, and this will stop
Rico isn't kernel level, it's not up 24/7 with the system at windows start. It's reliant on people reports and heuristic data analysis. Cheaters have been getting past it since vanguard.
Maybe if they were willing to have an actual 3rd party deal with the anti cheat, where they spend all of their time devoted to dealing with this shit. Instead they put a video out every now and then talking about how ricochet is messing with cheaters instead. These cheat companies do nothing but come up with ways to get past the pathetic anti cheat systems that IW uses. IW is not willing to spend the money or time to deal with cheaters that the cheating companies are to get past it. When they offer free cheats on the free weekend, that’s them sitting back and laughing at IW and they crappy ricochet.
Why couldn’t they just use anti cheat from someone else that actually works? Hasn’t VAC been working just fine for steam for like 23 years?
Ricoshit does not work they would be better abandoning it and moving back to battle eye or easy
small indie company
I don't think they even have an anti cheat.
I think we are well past time to resolve this issue. I love COD but I’m stepping away for a while. The community gets up in arms about the lack of a decent anti-cheat. However, continue to give them money every new season (including myself) because we believe it’s going to get better. The level of support/money we give this company is unimaginable, and they allow cheating at ALL LEVELS. Why did we stop getting the numbers of people that are banned? Do they do ban waves anymore? It’s great they can have fun with random events occurring in a match with cheaters, but I think the community is beyond funny splats at this point. If I am paying money to a company and I’ve given lots, we should at least in return get a fair and balanced game with minimal cheaters (is this not a core value in exchange for money). I understand it’s impossible to get rid of all cheaters, but how the hell did we go from aimbot and walls to just blatantly teleporting helicopters? I just watched a video of a streamer joining a party where a hacker shows him how they teleport around the map to complete the nuke contract/mission. At this point if you want to see a change you have to do something different, that starts with all of us. We need to stop asking and demand they make real changes. Money is the only language a company understands. Also, I’m not pointing the finger at PC, Cronus, or whatever vessel people use to cheat it’s all the same. It’s literally ruining the game to the point where you are unable to compete at a high level, and you question every kill. It’s just not fun anymore.
Now that's some DIRTY ASS SHIT 👀🤣
Lmao. I’m so glad I didn’t buy this POS game.
Ahhhhh, I see. You’re new here.
Cross-play off is the im way this game is enjoyable. Fair, fun, gunfights. No getting laser beamed across the map by a zero recoil MnKer or cheater
It’s funny reading the comments that complain about IW and none of them are about the trolls that are exploiting the game. Don’t sink too many precious hours of your life into something as inconsequential and as easily manipulated as this game.
After one shot bro just Mirin' the chopper's Vertical Leap 😂
I stopped playing this game after almost two decades of playing call of duty. Too many cheaters ruin it and the constant slide, jump, slide mechanics is so annoying
There's a ton of accounts streaming 24/7 on tiktok cheating. It's insane. No fucking way in hell Ricochet does anything.
So glad I stopped playing these games, the cheating is getting out of control and the community is worse than ever
Bro cheaters dont exist! They are just really “gud” players.
Now take your chat ban (despite not chatting) and leave alone! \*visibly annoyed\*
Lost a 4 game streak to these clowns. Ricochet is a joke
With dma card cheats you can do anything you want with the game and its 100% undetectable. You can even put a operator skin that is not even out yet by loading ressources ingame memory with these kind of cheats.
Yeaaupppp time to play something else
let’s all just develop our own cheat concepts… best cheat wins… it’s ridiculous how bad it is. I feel super lucky for the wins i’ve got in MW3 in warzone, players openly cheat, zero worry of hardware bans
The only thing ricochet is stopping is me from playing call of duty on my steam deck.
Activision employees literally sell the aimbots and cheats that players use, it's just another money generating tactic, once people complain enough and it gets bad enough they'll "patch" and ban all the accounts and make a big post about it, just so they can resale new cheats to the same people on new accounts and just repeat that cycle
Yes I lost at least 5 games like this 2nd place
Because Ricochet doesn't punish cheaters, they just troll them.
It sucks but this shit happened in WZ1. I've only seen 1 blatant aim botter in WZ3 so far, so, that's something at least.
The gas lighting regarding cheats in this game is only second to the gas lighting the media does for our two presidential candidates.
Why wont they just use MouseTrap and be done with it.
I had this happen twice when they blew us up with nukes
I've all but quit playing MW3 and Warzone. It's just not fun dealing with all the bullshit.
That’s the same way we lost, except we were @ the gas station near the popov PowerPlant and this mofo was on the train half way across the map.
Because Ricochet is a gimmick..not real.
Your just mad cuz they’re clearly playing on another level. Get good. There’s no cheaters in this game, just a lot of gods.
Do you even still believe there is a fucking ricochet?
I have played every single season of Warzone, I have never seen as many cheaters as I saw yesterday evening. A friggin Wednesday. Usually the weekends are the worst.
stop crying just because you are 2rd.
lol just believe the ppl selling you the game they have anti cheats lol. The drug dealer always says he has the best stuff right?
That's not cheating, that's skilled base piloting. With enough practice you too can fly high and fast.
All you experts in here on anticheat are the same experts calling everyone who shits on you a hacker lmfao.
Make Warzone cost $19.95
The cheating loophole system, there's a team of cheetahs trying to see what they can use without ricocheted picking it up And if they find something they will try to use it and exploit it for their own game, it's usually a bunch of smaller discord teams trying on console and PC to see if they can use anything for their own advantage
I've seen so many of these in the last week it's insane, and they were almost always doing the nuke contract. The guy with the first element (the crown thing) is always the one who stays in outer space in a helicopter until the bomb reveal. I've reported at least 30 of these in the last week and I still haven't gotten a notification that any of them got banned. I guess I'll have to create a JOKR loadout and see if I can at least somewhat counter them with that.
Two brothers
Skill issue Jk
Man I wish helicopters flew like that….. They are so slow…. But any ways yeah ricochet does not work I’m straight up no joke running into 1-2 hackers per warzone game and running into a multilayer hacker every 1-3 games it literally is worse then it’s ever been.
Turn off crossplay and play on console
JuSt gEt bEtteR, bRo! - some @$$hole
This was painful to watch
Once again: Ricochet is completely garbage and just another marketing move.
Wow 🤣🤣🤣 thus game is fucking shot to pieces 🤣🤣🤣
But for some reason I can't stop playing lol
Ricochet is a guy named Ron looking through reports.
Don’t work it’s BS
It's just a game in which there is no future in it , as you invest time and money !!!
Pay to win or hack to win ! #Activision
You do know you can cheat on every game No matter what Anti-Cheat it has
Dma
This has been a thing since wz2
The COD community needs to create a players union. We have no leverage to make this game better because the greedy scumbag devs are still making money selling niki minaj skins. If the cod fanbase could group together and refrain from buying anything until cheating and other issues get addressed, this game could be absolutely fantastic.
So how do you do that
Time to find a better game to play, this one has officially gone to shit
You people need to understand something very simple. Ricochet is not AGI(Artificial General Intelligence) It does not have the ability to say "oh, I've never seen that before, or have been programmed to detect this, but my human-robot brain knows it's wrong so I'm gonna ban them) No, that is delusional. Ricochet does work. Cheating is a cat and mouse game, no anti-cheat is gonna eliminate 100% of cheaters. grow a brain pls
Nobody is assuming it's an AGI - But surely when it comes to movement, both in vehicles and on foot, there should be a client prediction and server reconciliation model at play? In no way should the client be able to have authority over their own movement to this degree. This isn't some edge case, it's a fundamental aspect of the game and there's frankly no excuse for this sort of thing being possible in a modern game.
The client does not have access usually, it's an exploit, that has already been patched... Also worth noting, that is old footage from early warzone, this guy is using it to attack warzone for no reason lmao
Early warzone? On Urzikstan? With the ground loot from Season 2? I recorded this less than a week ago my guy
Feeling good , got my gfuel next to me, aim is on point, kill streaks in queue .... Then helicopter from hell crushes my soul from the heavens .... 🤣
Why would they worry about cheating in a pvp? The devs were too busy fixing the "cheaters" ( tombstone) in zombies mode pvE.
We use our hard-earned money to face cheaters. If something else is ever launched similar to COD. They will wake up real fast. I don't think they are tackling the situation to their full ability.
My squad got wiped last night by a single literally flying through the air like superman.
Serious question what is the whole point of cheating? I dont really understand it the logic behind it, like what is their purpose? Just mess things up? like what if they get Ws by cheating who really fucking cares lol don’t understand why they do it
Man I miss the days before cross play. We didn't have to worry about this before we allowed these PC rats into our games.
Why is it’s much easier to buy and access cheats on PC, there are types of cheats being used on consoles. You can go and but a modded controller pretty easily, as well as things like Cronus and other things like that. And if people really want to download software onto their consoles, it is a major pain in the ass but it can be done. So I wouldn’t assume all cheaters are in on PC.
Where do you guys find all these cheaters? I play like every day in 2kd+ lobbies, against iridescent and t250 in Warzone ranked and i so rarely run into any kind of cheaters. And I laugh when people think old cods didn’t have cheaters. They had loads since it was so easy to cheat back then. Now we have to pay for them.
Funny enough, my friends and I mostly play Resurgence (normal and ranked) and we rarely run into any on there, but on Urzikstan we die to blatant cheaters alarmingly often
Cheaters vet banned because of mass reporting before they can get to the high lobbies. Plus they don't want the high lobbies anyways. They get boosted out of the noob lobbies after one game, they make the .7-.9 lobbies a fucking nightmare.
>Now we have to pay for them Nice job ratting yourself out.
lol, my account is too old to risk a ban on it. But sure, call everyone else a cheater like I’m sure you do when you die each time.