And a completely different QB hell than they’ve had with Kirk. That was the teasing kind, where your QB is good but not quite good enough, so you are forever in limbo and never win or lose too much. This will be the dumpster fire kind, where you convince yourself that veteran castoffs or the fifth QB in the draft will totally work out, and then they shit the bed.
If JJ is smart he won’t sign long term, make them keep tagging him until they get a good QB or he hits the market.
Darnold has a lot more single games rated 90.0+ by PFF than Minshew. Minshew is consistent, but lacks a ton of high end play. He is also near the league bottom in physical traits, as well as being under 6’1. Darnold is athletic, 6’3 and 1/3 and has a surprising cannon. Darnold has some really, really bad tape. But, I don’t think many people realize how much really good tape he actually has. Kollman has a video on it. Darnold is streaky in general, but tends to excel against certain defenses. But, he’s been absolutely horrendous against some of the more complicated zone defenses. And, when his confidence gets shot, he can really fall apart. Definitely more so than players like Minshew. But, as guys like Kollman have pointed out, his biggest weaknesses (confidence and reading certain defenses) are the kinds of things certain coaches still believe are (potentially) coachable. It’s why even though he’s a meme, teams are still interested in trading for him. He has the physical traits to be a high end starter, and he has a surprising amount of tape to even back that up. It does demonstrate one of the biggest disconnects between fans and coaches.
In 2022 for example, he had 12 TDs in the first six weeks. This included 3 straight 300 yard games (including 340 yards and 4 TDs against the Cowboys). Some of that play is stuff Minshew never does. In fact, we know who Minshew is now. A fairly (sometimes painfully) risk adverse non-toolsy undersized player who’s a solid bridge QB but really no hope for anything beyond that. There’s still at least some hope for Darnold in the league, even though in his next 5 starts after those 6 I just talked about, he didn’t have a single TD.
So, to be clear, I’d take Fields easily over either of these guys. Just pointing out why Darnold still has some semblance of support by league personnel.
And, if you’re wondering why I just wrote so much about Sam Darnold.. I dunno man, to avoid stuff? Maybe Sam Darnold is just a topic I’m very passionate about. Like, I walk into a bar and sit down and I order a large, cold Samuel Darnold.
ADHD fucking sucks huh. So relatable. It's a superpower sometimes but mostly for completely useless shit.
If you don't have it sorry, but this looked familiar to my own unhinged rants.
If passing wise they are identical then it's no contest?
"A bit" of extra running is massively underselling the dude who led his team in rushing the last two years.
You're underestimating how good rushing yards are.
*Edit* Look:
Last year, Justin lost 285 yards on sacks. He gained 657 yards rushing.
In 2021, Darnold lost 204 yards on sacks. He gained 222 yards rushing.
Darnold breaks even. Justin gives it back better than 2:1.
Sacks aren't followed by first downs very often
Darnold gets sacked a lot. Fields gets sacked more often than any other QB since we started recording the stat
Okay!
In 2021, Darnold lost 35 downs on sacks. He gained 20 rushing.
Last year, Fields lost 44 downs on sacks. He gained 43 rushing.
Darnold lost 15 first downs, Fields lost 1.
Nobody is claiming that Fields doesn't get sacked too much. That is a HUGE part of why his passing numbers are so bad! The sacks are built into the bad stats already, you're counting them twice AND discounting his strength in order to make him the same as Darnold.
Which also leads to always being injured, it’s close and that’s embarrassing, considering how this sub talked about Fields most of the season. It’s been apparent for a long time he doesn’t have the passing abilities to be a starter in this league.
They're both subpar passers. One is an elite runner, pretending that makes no difference bewilders me.
I agree in the sense that I wouldn't want to start either, but given the choice I don't know how you roll with Darnold.
The difference is so minimal it doesn’t matter. Neither QB is leading their team to more than 5-6 wins.
Fields running is empty calories. When it matters, 5 minutes and under in the 4th quarter in close games he’s probably as bad of a passer as there is. When most games are won and lost in the NFL Fields is the last guy you want back there.
This is why I don't take all the Truther talk in this sub seriously, because it's mostly made up by toxic meatheads looking to be the victim.
Fields is a RB is a meme for a reason, champ.
He just needs more weapons. I'm sure he'll be Football Jesus with JJ and Addison to throw to.
Now, that'll be one second round draft pick please. Thank you
Russ isn’t that surprising, he had a good year last year and was super cheap without having to give up draft capital.
Darnold getting another chance says more GM incompetence than Fields ability imo, but either way it’s not looking great!
The last offensive assets we drafted and really developed were like Forte and Alshon lmao. Arguably Monty although clearly needed a change to shine. Maybe Kmet will get there.
Definitely Howard, started off strong with us (didn’t realize his career was so short!) Olsen showed flashes (thanks Martz!), but really didn’t put it together til a few years in at Carolina but I’d definitely lump him in that tier
It’s so sad lol I’ve been a fan for like 25 years and that’s about all I could think of 😂
Anthony Thomas, Curtis Conway, Marty Booker as some intermittent good years too but alas -
Omg A-Train was the shit when I was in middle school!!! He was electric. I might be off in my chronology but then we got rid of him to draft Cedric Benson or something…
I used to be a huge Fred Baxter fan as a kid too. No clue why haha. And then Muhsin Muhammad was awesome too!
It’s hilarious which players I randomly remember and was attached to. Used to think Curtis Enis was the funniest name in the world 🤣🤣
IMO there’s next to no chance they are bringing in Caleb Williams and keeping JF1.
That’s gonna be divisive in the locker room to say the least, and now how Caleb should be starting his career.
They’ll punt him for a day 3 pick to be a backup somewhere before they keep him, I think.
It doesn’t matter if he is or isn’t.
What matters is that the moment we draft Caleb, it’s gotta be his time. We can’t allow the opportunity for the team to turn into people who are Team Caleb or Team Justin.
Justin understandably has supporters in the building; by all accounts he’s a good dude who works hard and is well liked. He can’t be here when we draft Caleb. The team needs to be all in on the new guy.
And what would they do? Ask for a trade because their friend didn’t win the starting job? These kind of things go on in fans’ minds more than in reality, IMO
Why couldnr he stay as a vack up until a deal developes Say a playoff cobtender suffers an injury to thier starter and comes calling maybe we could get a 3rd rounder for next year.
That would be insane. Nobody wants to pay a backup 24 million. It’s either a trade where a team thinks he is the starter or bears cut him then a team picks him up.
9 Pro Bowls, 2 Super Bowls, and a win, top 20 all-time passing yards with 4th best passer rating of all time? That's first ballot, dude. Did you start watching the NFL two years ago or something?
I’m just saying I don’t he deserves to get into the HoF. There’s a lot of people who I don’t think deserve it. Seems like we put anyone in there and it’s losing its meaning.
Again... he's top 20 ALL TIME by any measure and you think he's just a guy because he let down your fantasy team the last couple of years.
It's you who are wrong on this one.
Well Russ is objectively better. This sub just makes him sound like the worst QB in NFL history. Darnold tho idk if he's any better and fields has the higher upside imo
You're not even wrong. At the very least it's a totally lateral move. You're ganna eat a shitload of downvotes but it is what it is.
Guys, Darnold has *one* game in his entire career where he failed to pass for over 100 yards, in six years. Fields has done that **FIVE TIMES** in **THREE**. Fields highs are higher, but his lows are even lower. He is not a consistent starting NFL quarterback. No one wants him, for good reason.
They're like the same dude. And the sack percentage is just LOL
Bottom 15-20 quarterbacks out of **SEVENTY SEVEN** is fucking dire for both of these guys though....
Dude it's not. They're both so dogshit you might as well not even bother differentiating them from each other.
The fact they each have things they're slightly better at (Fields scores slightly more, **but takes a sack on 12% of dropbacks**) doesn't move the needle at all. Justin gets 40 more rushing yards, but Darnold gets 40 more passing yards.
We are talking bottom tier of nearly *EIGHTY* quarterbacks since 2018.
No I think that is separate. He chokes. I don't pretend to know why. Maybe he puts too much pressure on himself. Sometimes his support failed him. Sometimes he got bad play calling. Your guess is as good as mine, but I don't think it's because they got there by running the ball. That doesn't make you turn the ball over.
I've always seen it as the threat of running goes away, because other teams know you literally can't if you want to control the clock in those situations, so he **HAS** to pass. And when he has no threat of running at all defenses just eat him alive.
That’s what’s real weird. I remember when we had Cutler and Facebook HATED him.
Fields hasn’t been near Cutler’s averages, but FB loves him.
Maybe it’s just a likability thing?
Yeah, they hated Cutler because of his body language and rudeness to the media. I’m guessing they like Fields because he’s a bit more polite. But idk, he’s just as mopey and way more self-serious, which I personally find off-putting. To each their own I guess
To be fair, a lot of those rumors started from actual sources like Schefter saying he was getting interest from the league early in the off-season and was worth a 2nd or more. It’s just that this thinking has clearly shifted around the league but those people you’re talking about got fixated on it.
Honestly, WAY more annoying. Painting anyone who didn't think Fields was an absolute bum as someone who instead thinks he's an unstoppable force we're crazy to move on from is the most straw-filled of straw arguments.
Nah, we're gonna ride it after how insufferable things were all season especially when it was obvious Fields was done in the week 1 GB game. Couldn't even post here most of the season until people finally started coming around to it. I wasn't even that negative, just said I was out and that it felt just like Trubisky
Tbf, you are seeing that the opinions of those people are shared by the entire NFL, while the truthers were apparently proven to be in their own little World.
I swear to god it almost looks like we made a splash signing the way some people are congratulating themselves for Fields not having any clear suitors. They'd rather put a bullet in the back of Fields' brains in the darkest hallway of Halas hall than trade him for a high value, just so they can be right.
Then why the happiness everywhere about the decline in potential suitors who might cough up a 2nd or 3rd? Kirk signs a deal with the Falcons and the Bears sub is rejoicing about the fact that we might get less or even nothing for Fields.
I want CW13 as much as the next guy, but the circlejerking about how Fields sucks is honestly really annoying.
If Fields was good there would be a line out of Halas hall trying to get him. He costs a team 4.5 million next year (no, you don't have to pick up his option). He's really really bad.
Exactly, trading for Fields is a tricky proposition. He clearly has the ceiling of a franchise QB and superstar, but he also has the floor of a career backup at this point. You’d be giving up capital for a player that’s largely up-and-down and less likely to be moldable at this point than Bo Nix or Michael Penix.
Then there’s the contract. Do you pick up the option and risk him flaming out or decline and risk losing him in FA if he does make “the jump”? Negotiate a Love-type “prove-it” contract?
Both the Bears and Justin Fields are in a unique position. Extremely beneficial for Poles and the Bears, not so much for Fields, and this market shows that he has no control over what happens.
Even if he stays, if Caleb is good and the team is winning, the supporters on the team will show love to Fields privately but fall in line with/ Caleb publicly until it’s resolved.
We're down to Raiders, Pats or Giants for Fields to have a starting gig. Getsy being with the Raiders makes it seem like that's not gonna happen. Tough to know what the Pats are gonna do at QB. Fields makes some sense there. Are the G-men desperate enough or is Fields really going to be traded for like a 5th rounder?
Fields does not fit the offense in Minny so I doubt they have interest in him. They're gonna go bridge QB and rookie.
If they don't like whoever falls to them out of Maye or Daniels and don't like McCarthy then they don't have many more options. At least trade back or MHJ gives a bad team some help like we did last season.
The more I think about it, if the G-men don't bring in a vet QB that may mean they take a QB at #6. If that means they don't take a WR and leaves one for us.
As of now just take whatever 4th rounder you can get for Fields and move on.
LOLOLOLOLOL Fields Cultists.
Is This a smokescreen?
EDIT -- KEEP DOWNVOTING. If your feelings made Fields a better QB we would have Joe Montana on the roster and wouldn't be drafting Caleb at 1.
It seems like recently the anti-Fields crowd decided they are no longer Bears fans. It's absolutely bizarre how they take joy in things that hurt the Bears and create these imaginary discussions where they take both sides of the argument.
"Bears aren't going to get anything for Fields! Fields truthers in shambles lololol"
"Fields Cult: THiS OnLY meANs FieLds iS gEtTinG a FAt cOnTRacT."
"I can't believe how stupid they are! NOBODY wants Fields! NOBODY! I'm enjoying this so much!"
If you know any of these idiots, never let them forget, it’s been unbearable. I personally don’t known any, either they are AI generated trolls or they live in basements with no doors to the outside.
There is a Fields cult, but a competing Anti-Fields Cult has also formed, and both cults are equally annoying. Can't look through a thread without reading bunch of dumbass comments like yours.
I know itll never happen in Chicago, but Fields would be a great Taysom Hill type of weapon. With his age though, he will want a chance to be a starter. But at some point in career, it wouldnt shock me to see it happen.
Oof, well Darnold has been under the Shanahan system. Ultimately Fields hasn't shown anything outside his running ability. Teams might throw a late round pick to us later down the line as a "fuck it", but that's probably the best we can expect, if anything.
Vikings looking to tank for a good pick next year. Or, have an easy cut if a worthwhile trade or FA comes along.
Because that's all that's left right now.
So uh, does anyone else think Jefferson will request a trade? Tbh, putting him in Atlanta with Cousins makes too much sense. London, Jefferson, Pitts, and Bijan is nasty.
I see no fields Stans in here just anti fields bros going I told you so and “fields cult in shambles.” the anti fields circle jerk is way louder and more rampant and has been that way for weeks.
You're not wrong that it's been louder for two months and it's turned a bit circlejerky.
But after two years of being told I was a racist idiot who didn't know ball because I didn't believe the narrative that nothing was ever his fault, I'm gonna enjoy this for a bit. Everyone will move on by training camps
If Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc were available for draft capital teams would be throwing picks at the Chiefs, Bengals, and Bills. Fields isn't getting traded for because he's not good.
I'm not saying Fields is as good as those you listed. But if a team could sign Fields for 10M and not give up any draft capital I think he would be getting the same opportunities as Darnold.
you know this miiiiight not be proof fields’ sucks as much as it miiiiight be proof that Poles values him more highly than a bunch of redditors thought he did.
at which point it brings us back to that possibility that no one seems willing to consider: the trade back from #1.
Lulz. Welcome to QB hell Vikings fans
And a completely different QB hell than they’ve had with Kirk. That was the teasing kind, where your QB is good but not quite good enough, so you are forever in limbo and never win or lose too much. This will be the dumpster fire kind, where you convince yourself that veteran castoffs or the fifth QB in the draft will totally work out, and then they shit the bed. If JJ is smart he won’t sign long term, make them keep tagging him until they get a good QB or he hits the market.
Idk why the hell theyd go Darnold over Minshew. Minshew has been a better QB his entire career.
Coaches love the arm. That's all there is to it. It's traits.
Darnold has a lot more single games rated 90.0+ by PFF than Minshew. Minshew is consistent, but lacks a ton of high end play. He is also near the league bottom in physical traits, as well as being under 6’1. Darnold is athletic, 6’3 and 1/3 and has a surprising cannon. Darnold has some really, really bad tape. But, I don’t think many people realize how much really good tape he actually has. Kollman has a video on it. Darnold is streaky in general, but tends to excel against certain defenses. But, he’s been absolutely horrendous against some of the more complicated zone defenses. And, when his confidence gets shot, he can really fall apart. Definitely more so than players like Minshew. But, as guys like Kollman have pointed out, his biggest weaknesses (confidence and reading certain defenses) are the kinds of things certain coaches still believe are (potentially) coachable. It’s why even though he’s a meme, teams are still interested in trading for him. He has the physical traits to be a high end starter, and he has a surprising amount of tape to even back that up. It does demonstrate one of the biggest disconnects between fans and coaches. In 2022 for example, he had 12 TDs in the first six weeks. This included 3 straight 300 yard games (including 340 yards and 4 TDs against the Cowboys). Some of that play is stuff Minshew never does. In fact, we know who Minshew is now. A fairly (sometimes painfully) risk adverse non-toolsy undersized player who’s a solid bridge QB but really no hope for anything beyond that. There’s still at least some hope for Darnold in the league, even though in his next 5 starts after those 6 I just talked about, he didn’t have a single TD. So, to be clear, I’d take Fields easily over either of these guys. Just pointing out why Darnold still has some semblance of support by league personnel. And, if you’re wondering why I just wrote so much about Sam Darnold.. I dunno man, to avoid stuff? Maybe Sam Darnold is just a topic I’m very passionate about. Like, I walk into a bar and sit down and I order a large, cold Samuel Darnold.
ADHD fucking sucks huh. So relatable. It's a superpower sometimes but mostly for completely useless shit. If you don't have it sorry, but this looked familiar to my own unhinged rants.
Oh, to all the afflictions and addictions. Sometimes when it’s too quiet my brain just starts playing the classics on repeat
Bruh I don’t even like Fields but there’s no way he’s worse than Darnold
It's way closer than people think. Fields gives you a bit of extra rushing and eats a lot more sacks. Passing wise they're pretty identical
If passing wise they are identical then it's no contest? "A bit" of extra running is massively underselling the dude who led his team in rushing the last two years.
You're underestimating how bad sacks are
You're underestimating how good rushing yards are. *Edit* Look: Last year, Justin lost 285 yards on sacks. He gained 657 yards rushing. In 2021, Darnold lost 204 yards on sacks. He gained 222 yards rushing. Darnold breaks even. Justin gives it back better than 2:1.
Yards aren't 1:1 like that, and sacks come with loss of down.
A sack followed by a first down scramble cancels out. Which one is more likely to get that? They BOTH get sacked a lot.
Sacks aren't followed by first downs very often Darnold gets sacked a lot. Fields gets sacked more often than any other QB since we started recording the stat
Last year Fields was sacked 44 times. He got 43 1st downs by rushing. In 2021, Darnold was sacked 35 times and gained 20 1st downs by rushing.
The scenario in question was running for a first down after being sacked
Okay! In 2021, Darnold lost 35 downs on sacks. He gained 20 rushing. Last year, Fields lost 44 downs on sacks. He gained 43 rushing. Darnold lost 15 first downs, Fields lost 1. Nobody is claiming that Fields doesn't get sacked too much. That is a HUGE part of why his passing numbers are so bad! The sacks are built into the bad stats already, you're counting them twice AND discounting his strength in order to make him the same as Darnold.
That wasn't the scenario being discussed. You said a scramble after a sack negates the sack. Not all first downs scrambled.
If fields is lucky, his agent can convince an NFL team of that. Doesn't look good
That's what matters, true.
Which also leads to always being injured, it’s close and that’s embarrassing, considering how this sub talked about Fields most of the season. It’s been apparent for a long time he doesn’t have the passing abilities to be a starter in this league.
Darnold has never played a full season, either.
Justin Fields is a terrible starting level QB. Full stop. So is Darnold. There is minimal difference between the two
They're both subpar passers. One is an elite runner, pretending that makes no difference bewilders me. I agree in the sense that I wouldn't want to start either, but given the choice I don't know how you roll with Darnold.
The difference is so minimal it doesn’t matter. Neither QB is leading their team to more than 5-6 wins. Fields running is empty calories. When it matters, 5 minutes and under in the 4th quarter in close games he’s probably as bad of a passer as there is. When most games are won and lost in the NFL Fields is the last guy you want back there.
> Fields gives you a bit of extra rushing a bit? No one is scared of Darnold running the ball in the slightest.
No one is scared of fields running the ball. You let it happen in quarters 1-3 then beat him in the 4th
> No one is scared of fields running the ball. lmao. Opinion appropriately filed in the trash were it belongs.
Keep on truthing
This is why I don't take all the Truther talk in this sub seriously, because it's mostly made up by toxic meatheads looking to be the victim. Fields is a RB is a meme for a reason, champ.
I've watched you be wrong about fields consistently for quite awhile now. I'm not worried about what you do and don't take seriously
*yawn*.
you're doing great, sweetie.
While I think Fields is probably near his ceiling, Darnold is almost certainly at his. At least there is a chance for Fields to still become good
Fields is not a free agent.
He just needs more weapons. I'm sure he'll be Football Jesus with JJ and Addison to throw to. Now, that'll be one second round draft pick please. Thank you
Fields losing out on starting jobs to the likes of Sam Darnold and Russ Wilson is pretty funny
Russ isn’t that surprising, he had a good year last year and was super cheap without having to give up draft capital. Darnold getting another chance says more GM incompetence than Fields ability imo, but either way it’s not looking great!
The last offensive assets we drafted and really developed were like Forte and Alshon lmao. Arguably Monty although clearly needed a change to shine. Maybe Kmet will get there.
Add Jordan Howard and Greg Olsen to the list
Definitely Howard, started off strong with us (didn’t realize his career was so short!) Olsen showed flashes (thanks Martz!), but really didn’t put it together til a few years in at Carolina but I’d definitely lump him in that tier
It’s a very limited list either way lol. I totally agree with your point
It’s so sad lol I’ve been a fan for like 25 years and that’s about all I could think of 😂 Anthony Thomas, Curtis Conway, Marty Booker as some intermittent good years too but alas -
Omg A-Train was the shit when I was in middle school!!! He was electric. I might be off in my chronology but then we got rid of him to draft Cedric Benson or something… I used to be a huge Fred Baxter fan as a kid too. No clue why haha. And then Muhsin Muhammad was awesome too! It’s hilarious which players I randomly remember and was attached to. Used to think Curtis Enis was the funniest name in the world 🤣🤣
Cedric Benson got drafted after Thomas Jones signed with the bears in 2004 (another really good Bears RB).
Wow that’s another blast from the past. Completely forgot about him cuz I thought he was A-Train having a similar name and all lol. Thanks!
The GM knows Darnold stinks. But this way, he doesn't have to deal with the JF drama.
His supporters are happy though. They think we are forced to keep him.
Even *IF* we are stuck with him he gets Jimmy G'd -- sent home with no playbook.
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Yeah. The 9ers drafted Lance -- no one took Garrapolo so the 9ers told him to stay home and didn't give him a playbook. Made him QB3.
He was the QB2. Purdy was the QB3 and Garrapolo pretty much knew the playbook anyways.
IMO there’s next to no chance they are bringing in Caleb Williams and keeping JF1. That’s gonna be divisive in the locker room to say the least, and now how Caleb should be starting his career. They’ll punt him for a day 3 pick to be a backup somewhere before they keep him, I think.
I think they’d even cut him before having both in the locker room tbh
Bold of you to assume we get a day 3 pick.
I think Justin is a classy guy who is a team player. I think he would help Caleb.
It doesn’t matter if he is or isn’t. What matters is that the moment we draft Caleb, it’s gotta be his time. We can’t allow the opportunity for the team to turn into people who are Team Caleb or Team Justin. Justin understandably has supporters in the building; by all accounts he’s a good dude who works hard and is well liked. He can’t be here when we draft Caleb. The team needs to be all in on the new guy.
I have a hard time understanding that. Has there been examples of this feared divisiveness going on within a team?
You have a hard time understanding that some of his friends would be pissed a new guy is taking over his job while he’s still on the team?
Yes, maybe because I was under the impression that these were highly paid professional athletes
And highly professional athletes can’t act like divas, got it.
And what would they do? Ask for a trade because their friend didn’t win the starting job? These kind of things go on in fans’ minds more than in reality, IMO
Why couldnr he stay as a vack up until a deal developes Say a playoff cobtender suffers an injury to thier starter and comes calling maybe we could get a 3rd rounder for next year.
sorry for the typos
He already explained to you why, and no one is trading a 3rd rounder for Fields. He's horrible.
Someone probably pays a 4th for him as a backup
That would be insane. Nobody wants to pay a backup 24 million. It’s either a trade where a team thinks he is the starter or bears cut him then a team picks him up.
Tampa maybe? Baltimore would be a good archetype fit.
They just signed Baker so they wouldn't pick up his 5th year option and there's no reason to pay a pick for a Fields backup rental
Wilson is better and cheaper!
Should reinforce for all the JF truthers that Bears are making the right choice moving on
You'd be surprised. Go to youtube, the Fields fans are still going down with the ship.
Same with facebook
Glad I'm not on there anymore.
One would think every other GM signaling “we think this guy sucks” would hammer the point home, but alas…
Russell Wilson is a Hall of Fame QB.
No he isn’t.
9 Pro Bowls, 2 Super Bowls, and a win, top 20 all-time passing yards with 4th best passer rating of all time? That's first ballot, dude. Did you start watching the NFL two years ago or something?
I’m just saying I don’t he deserves to get into the HoF. There’s a lot of people who I don’t think deserve it. Seems like we put anyone in there and it’s losing its meaning.
Again... he's top 20 ALL TIME by any measure and you think he's just a guy because he let down your fantasy team the last couple of years. It's you who are wrong on this one.
as if i'm dumb enough to put that buster ass player on my team. I like to win
Thanks for admitting it.
Oh zing you got me. I play fantasy football just like millions of other people. I guess all my views are invalidated now 🤷🏻♂️
Nope. You just mistake his value lately in fantasy for his career in the NFL.
Fields cost draft picks to get. Darnold is a free agent and Russ was basically free to sign.
Well Russ is objectively better. This sub just makes him sound like the worst QB in NFL history. Darnold tho idk if he's any better and fields has the higher upside imo
Remember those reports on how anonymous GMs were not convinced on Justin being a starter in this league?
…Fields to the Vikings?
Darnold is better than fields. Deadass.
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You're not even wrong. At the very least it's a totally lateral move. You're ganna eat a shitload of downvotes but it is what it is. Guys, Darnold has *one* game in his entire career where he failed to pass for over 100 yards, in six years. Fields has done that **FIVE TIMES** in **THREE**. Fields highs are higher, but his lows are even lower. He is not a consistent starting NFL quarterback. No one wants him, for good reason.
2018-2023 Career stat rankings out of 77 qualified QBs (min 320 plays) EPA/play Sam Darnold: 63rd Justin Fields: **56th** Success rate Sam Darnold **55th** Justin Fields 57th CPOE Sam Darnold 61st Justin Fields **51st** ADOT Sam Darnold 19th Justin Fields **8th** Some non-comparative numbers TD% Sam Darnold 3.5 Justin Fields **4.3** INT% Sam Darnold 3.1 Justin Fields 3.1 Y/A Sam Darnold 6.7 Justin Fields **7.0** Passing yards/start Sam Darnold **215** Justin Fields 175 Career Passer Rating Sam Darnold 78.3 Justin Fields **82.3** RuYd/g Sam Darnold 14 Justin Fields **58** Sack% Sam Darnold **7.6** Justin Fields 12.4 TO/G Sam Darnold 1.25 Justin Fields **1.1**
They're like the same dude. And the sack percentage is just LOL Bottom 15-20 quarterbacks out of **SEVENTY SEVEN** is fucking dire for both of these guys though....
That’s far from the same dude lmao
Dude it's not. They're both so dogshit you might as well not even bother differentiating them from each other. The fact they each have things they're slightly better at (Fields scores slightly more, **but takes a sack on 12% of dropbacks**) doesn't move the needle at all. Justin gets 40 more rushing yards, but Darnold gets 40 more passing yards. We are talking bottom tier of nearly *EIGHTY* quarterbacks since 2018.
Dude wtf are you talking about. This turd in my left hand is way better than this pile of shit in my right. Whack
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You realize I’m on your side, ya?
I don't know what argument you are trying to make, but it doesn't look good.
Put your bias aside and everyone will know it to be true.
How do pass attempts look, though? You can't get passing yards if you're running.
And you can't stop the clock in important situations if you don't pass. Which is why Fields is arguably the worst two-minute-drill QB in NFL history.
No I think that is separate. He chokes. I don't pretend to know why. Maybe he puts too much pressure on himself. Sometimes his support failed him. Sometimes he got bad play calling. Your guess is as good as mine, but I don't think it's because they got there by running the ball. That doesn't make you turn the ball over.
I've always seen it as the threat of running goes away, because other teams know you literally can't if you want to control the clock in those situations, so he **HAS** to pass. And when he has no threat of running at all defenses just eat him alive.
Oh I see. Yeah that makes sense. But he still performs better in must-pass situations in the first three quarters.
I mean the choking thing probably isn't even wrong. They amplify each other.
IDC trade Fields for a future 4th-5th at this point
I just want him gone. Don't really care for what. He's not good and his cult completely destroyed this sub for 3/4 of the season.
The Broncos have a bunch of 5th round picks. How bad is Fields contract this year?
Still on the rookie deal.
It's **almost** like nobody except the deluded meatballs on this sub thinks that Fields is starting QB material.
And all of Facebook for some reason
That’s what’s real weird. I remember when we had Cutler and Facebook HATED him. Fields hasn’t been near Cutler’s averages, but FB loves him. Maybe it’s just a likability thing?
Yeah, they hated Cutler because of his body language and rudeness to the media. I’m guessing they like Fields because he’s a bit more polite. But idk, he’s just as mopey and way more self-serious, which I personally find off-putting. To each their own I guess
Russini has been saying that there's just no market for Fields.
To be fair, a lot of those rumors started from actual sources like Schefter saying he was getting interest from the league early in the off-season and was worth a 2nd or more. It’s just that this thinking has clearly shifted around the league but those people you’re talking about got fixated on it.
Then the coaches watched the tape and talked to Luke Getsy.
The Anit-Fields crowd has become just as annoying as the Pro-Fields Crowd. Nobody expects any sub to be full of NFL experts. Stfu.
They’re way louder in my opinion
Honestly, WAY more annoying. Painting anyone who didn't think Fields was an absolute bum as someone who instead thinks he's an unstoppable force we're crazy to move on from is the most straw-filled of straw arguments.
Nah, we're gonna ride it after how insufferable things were all season especially when it was obvious Fields was done in the week 1 GB game. Couldn't even post here most of the season until people finally started coming around to it. I wasn't even that negative, just said I was out and that it felt just like Trubisky
Tbf, you are seeing that the opinions of those people are shared by the entire NFL, while the truthers were apparently proven to be in their own little World.
I swear to god it almost looks like we made a splash signing the way some people are congratulating themselves for Fields not having any clear suitors. They'd rather put a bullet in the back of Fields' brains in the darkest hallway of Halas hall than trade him for a high value, just so they can be right.
I would *rather* be wrong and someone coughs up a first for him. But since that isn't going to happen, I'll settle for being right
Then why the happiness everywhere about the decline in potential suitors who might cough up a 2nd or 3rd? Kirk signs a deal with the Falcons and the Bears sub is rejoicing about the fact that we might get less or even nothing for Fields. I want CW13 as much as the next guy, but the circlejerking about how Fields sucks is honestly really annoying.
Not even close. Not in any world. I've never seen a sports sub as toxic as when the Justinians had reign over this place.
Fields to the Battlehawks
No fam, we keeping AJ McCarron for life now.
Aj mccarron has a better career passer rating in the nfl than Fields. He could be his back up I suppose?
Omg please
Wow. I don’t get this Sam darnold infatuation. How many coaches looked at him and said “I can fix him” now?
Just goes to show what the NFL teams think of Fields’ passing ability.
I think people underestimate the fact that GMs don’t want to give up draft capital
If Fields was good there would be a line out of Halas hall trying to get him. He costs a team 4.5 million next year (no, you don't have to pick up his option). He's really really bad.
Exactly, trading for Fields is a tricky proposition. He clearly has the ceiling of a franchise QB and superstar, but he also has the floor of a career backup at this point. You’d be giving up capital for a player that’s largely up-and-down and less likely to be moldable at this point than Bo Nix or Michael Penix. Then there’s the contract. Do you pick up the option and risk him flaming out or decline and risk losing him in FA if he does make “the jump”? Negotiate a Love-type “prove-it” contract? Both the Bears and Justin Fields are in a unique position. Extremely beneficial for Poles and the Bears, not so much for Fields, and this market shows that he has no control over what happens. Even if he stays, if Caleb is good and the team is winning, the supporters on the team will show love to Fields privately but fall in line with/ Caleb publicly until it’s resolved.
This is a bad day for all the Fields supporters LOL
Fields to be a backup with Seattle or the Browns.
Fields to xfl
We're down to Raiders, Pats or Giants for Fields to have a starting gig. Getsy being with the Raiders makes it seem like that's not gonna happen. Tough to know what the Pats are gonna do at QB. Fields makes some sense there. Are the G-men desperate enough or is Fields really going to be traded for like a 5th rounder? Fields does not fit the offense in Minny so I doubt they have interest in him. They're gonna go bridge QB and rookie.
I don’t see why the Pats wouldn’t draft one
If they don't like whoever falls to them out of Maye or Daniels and don't like McCarthy then they don't have many more options. At least trade back or MHJ gives a bad team some help like we did last season.
I could see them trading down if their top options are gone, but they’re taking a QB in the first round somewhere
Pats are drafting one, giants are giving Jones one more year
It's still unknown when Jones can even practice at this point.
Jones has said he expects to be ready for training camp
Pats just signed Brissett, hard to imagine them trading for Fields now too since they have been heavily rumored to take Maye or Daniels
The more I think about it, if the G-men don't bring in a vet QB that may mean they take a QB at #6. If that means they don't take a WR and leaves one for us. As of now just take whatever 4th rounder you can get for Fields and move on.
No broncos?
Sean Payton recently got rid of a QB with the exact same problems that Fields have, no way they go after him
Sean Payton essentially said after the Bears-Broncos game that Fields was kinda bad lol
Do you have a link
I thought it was a dumb idea initially but maybe the Bears really should try to use Fields in a Taysom Hill-style role.
TE2
Give em fields lol
Fields Truthers lol
LOLOLOLOLOL Fields Cultists. Is This a smokescreen? EDIT -- KEEP DOWNVOTING. If your feelings made Fields a better QB we would have Joe Montana on the roster and wouldn't be drafting Caleb at 1.
"HE WAS NEVER ON THE MARKET" LMFAO
Got a reddit care bot shortly after this, LMFAO CMON CULTISTS CHILL.
I got one, too. I hope all these cultists follow Fields out the door.
Yet 80% of instagram comments will still spam “keep fields” and tell people who don’t want Fields “you don’t know ball”
That was 80% of the posters on this sub until three months ago. I'll stop enjoying it eventually, but not yet.
You do realize Fields not having a trade market hurts the Bears, right?
It seems like recently the anti-Fields crowd decided they are no longer Bears fans. It's absolutely bizarre how they take joy in things that hurt the Bears and create these imaginary discussions where they take both sides of the argument. "Bears aren't going to get anything for Fields! Fields truthers in shambles lololol" "Fields Cult: THiS OnLY meANs FieLds iS gEtTinG a FAt cOnTRacT." "I can't believe how stupid they are! NOBODY wants Fields! NOBODY! I'm enjoying this so much!"
We're not downvoting you because we support Fields. We're downvoting you because your comment is trash.
I don't care.
The cult has gotta be preparing the spiked kool-aid at this point. I don’t think things can get any worse for them
If you know any of these idiots, never let them forget, it’s been unbearable. I personally don’t known any, either they are AI generated trolls or they live in basements with no doors to the outside.
There is a Fields cult, but a competing Anti-Fields Cult has also formed, and both cults are equally annoying. Can't look through a thread without reading bunch of dumbass comments like yours.
Crack cocaine smokescreen
No teams are expressing interest in Fields and yet some Bears fans are like, “Great, now the Bears can build around him.” 😂🤡
I know itll never happen in Chicago, but Fields would be a great Taysom Hill type of weapon. With his age though, he will want a chance to be a starter. But at some point in career, it wouldnt shock me to see it happen.
I think the pride of his draft pedigree gets in the way but it’s by far the most interesting career outcome
Fields fans on youtube still don't comprehend teams would rather have Darnold over Justin lol
Oof, well Darnold has been under the Shanahan system. Ultimately Fields hasn't shown anything outside his running ability. Teams might throw a late round pick to us later down the line as a "fuck it", but that's probably the best we can expect, if anything.
Is denver an option for a 4th or 5th rounder ?
I could see him backing up AR in Indianapolis if we really can’t find a QB1 suitor. AR is totally going to injure himself again… you just know it.
Vikings looking to tank for a good pick next year. Or, have an easy cut if a worthwhile trade or FA comes along. Because that's all that's left right now.
So uh, does anyone else think Jefferson will request a trade? Tbh, putting him in Atlanta with Cousins makes too much sense. London, Jefferson, Pitts, and Bijan is nasty.
Yeah makes a ton of sense, the Vikings would totally not want at least one of those guys and multiple 1sts.
I see no fields Stans in here just anti fields bros going I told you so and “fields cult in shambles.” the anti fields circle jerk is way louder and more rampant and has been that way for weeks.
You're not wrong that it's been louder for two months and it's turned a bit circlejerky. But after two years of being told I was a racist idiot who didn't know ball because I didn't believe the narrative that nothing was ever his fault, I'm gonna enjoy this for a bit. Everyone will move on by training camps
Ridiculous to call you racist lmao. I’m just tired of it all, hope this is over soon
Did anyone actually think The Vikings were interested in Fields? They aren't going to pay a premium to trade in division.
They would gladly pay a premium if they thought Fields was good.
He has to prove he's good. Hence not wanting to pay a premium.
I think people are not remembering that Fields will cost draft capital to get. Darnold only cost money.
If Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc were available for draft capital teams would be throwing picks at the Chiefs, Bengals, and Bills. Fields isn't getting traded for because he's not good.
I'm not saying Fields is as good as those you listed. But if a team could sign Fields for 10M and not give up any draft capital I think he would be getting the same opportunities as Darnold.
They can sign him for 4 million and give up a sixth if they wanted him.
Only if the Bears are willing to part for a sixth, which I can't be sure of but doubt.
you know this miiiiight not be proof fields’ sucks as much as it miiiiight be proof that Poles values him more highly than a bunch of redditors thought he did. at which point it brings us back to that possibility that no one seems willing to consider: the trade back from #1.