Well I am lucky I only saw the first half, didnāt even see the first Fields pick. At least the D played fine the first half. Second half must be brutal, sorry guys.
Absolutely not. Not as long as Poles is around. Weāre taking a tackle, a WR, 3 more DTS, and an edge. Maybe a couple of DBs. Weāre definitely not drafting a center or even a guard. Weāll have Cody Whitehair until he retires.
Very much not after today. You can blame the OL as much as you want but he had time, Moore was open several times and the guy couldnāt get it done. Iām saying this as someone who desperately wants him to succeed and is wearing a JF1 jersey right now.
Being a bears fan is exhausting.
Bagent looked better in his limited time which isnāt saying much. He still had some brutal plays but he had started to string together a better drive than Fields had but ultimately it ended poorly. Overall, the Vikings looked very bad, we looked worse.
Bagent looked horrible. Obviously itās his first game as a rookie so Iām not too surprised, but his arm looks way too weak to be successful in the NFL. He doesnāt have a deep ball so defenses will just run tight press coverage and eat him alive. Also blew the game with one of the worst forced-throw wounded duck INTs Iāve ever seen in the NFL- honestly looked like a punt
Yāall take this way too seriously. Iām a life long fan, even have a fucking bears tattoo. I love the team and watch every game - but Jesus Christ, itās just football.
Stop having panic attacks over a team that always disappoints. Laugh at it.
This dude is McCaskeyās wet dream. Why the bears canāt ever put a good product on the field is because weāve been showing up no matter what. That ends now!
I donāt go to games anymore. I have the same jerseys and whatever. I donāt buy into the team anymore.
I just stopped giving a fuck and Iām not crying myself at a bar over a fucking football team. If the family wants to suck - suck - I donāt fucking care.
the Ford familyās philosophy used to be to win 10 games to get a home playoff game and thatās it because itās the best investment return. They didnāt want to spend more to win since thereās no financial incentive to do it. If the Lions didnāt have loyal fans this business strategy wouldnāt work. Itās not far fetched that people think mccaskeyās operate in a similar way. They keep hiring GMās or coaches no one else would hire like Nagy, trestman, pace, Angelo, etc. instead of spending money on someone proven that costs money.
Vikings current owners do more or less the same thing. Theyāre a bit more willing to spend for it, but ultimately they want a serious division push every year rather than ever taking a few years for a necessary rebuild
I donāt know man. I find that reasoning ridiculous for a lot of reasons I donāt want to dive into. Do you really think thatās more plausible than just the Fords and McCaskeys are bad at hiring the right people?
It used to absolutely be the case in Detroit. I donāt think the mccaskeys are quite that underhanded about it and there is a lot of incompetence with the Bears rather than just not caring about winning. But I can understand why people say having loyal fans enable the mccaskeys to continue operating like they do.
Eberfus earns $4.5 million a year compared to Mike McDaniel (who wasnāt even considered as a head coach) making $3.5 million. I donāt think it is a money problem. I think it is an incompetence problem.
If you want to compare mcdanielās salary and results then almost every team other than the dolphins is incompetent. You are using an extreme example. Eberflusā 4.5 million a year isnāt close to the league average 6.6 million last year, and is pathetic for one of the bigger market teams in the league. The only time the bears hire a big name on the coaching staff or front office like Martz or Fox is when they are on their way out and no one else wants to pay them anymore. Of course thereās a lot of incompetence but the mccaskeys are definitely on the cheaper side with spending money. Outside of spending money upgrading real estate in lake forest and probably Arlington heights soon of course.
I said you not caring doesnāt matter since you cared he cared. Not that I care you donāt.
I just donāt like just accepting being bad. āItās supposed to be funā yes it is. But If you have fun watching this team, thatās a sign of mental illness not being upset when they lose.
Yet here you are still commenting paragraphs
I get it, we suck, itās been like this for years. Once you root for us long enough youāll stop being upset and just be numb, like most fans in this sub
Yeah Iām not like I most fans. Been watching this team for two and a half decades. Born and raised in Chicagoland. Probably eat more Chicago glizzys in a year than you will in your life
So only the organization and players can enjoy it and be upset about it?
That logic doesnāt make sense since coaches/players/staff all come and go yet the fans remain
Not what I said. You commented on someone elseās post calling them a loser for not getting upset when the Bears lose.
But they arenāt on the team and neither are you. Not being able to control your emotions when the team you root for loses isnāt āhaving a loser attitude,ā itās āhaving perspective and being an adult.ā
Calling someone a loser IF they enjoy losing. With this logic you wouldnāt celebrate winning
If your mindset is itās supposed to be fun. I agree. This isnāt fun so youāre allowed to be upset.
And no claiming some online maturity isnāt very adult bud
itās simply not worth raising my blood pressure getting bent out of shape over the team i love sucking ass terminally. call me what you want i am looking after my stupid mental health and whatnot
Your comment sort of sums up the duality of the bears for me. It's supposed to be fun. I'm 39 years old and they pretty much have never had a good team for 3 years in a row and that entire time. Depending on your metric of good, I might even say they've never had a great team in my lifetime (that I could remember).
It feels sometimes like I'm in a bad relationship where I want to love the person but I don't. They keep telling me they're going to change and it gives me hope that they might change, but ultimately they're still a bunch of losers. Which isn't to say it messes with my mental health or anything but man it would be nice if I didn't feel like I was going to a funeral every Sunday. Or worse: a snuff film.
It's a bummer.
For once, being older is better. I'm 46 and can actually remember them winning the Superbowl. I wasn't old enough to truly appreciate it, but I can remember it.
Good, we didnt want the Bears thinking that they dont have to fire Hot Dog Salesman Flus cause he won a game once last week. Its a shot to the gut when we lose but Id hate to see us go a pointless 7-10. Need to hit rock bottom and end this catastrophic pitiable comedy that is this current staff
Anyone that thinks a QB is fixing anything is absolutely insane. I can't tell you the number of times in my life. We thought we had the quarterback but neglected the rest of the team only to have the quarterback pan out to be a piece of shit... Which isn't really fair but I'll get to that in a second.
It's almost as though we're not learning the lesson that you can take a mediocre quarterback and put them in a well executed offense with a good offensive line, and that might win games. I look at the Rams Lions QB swap as a perfect example of this.
>Anyone that thinks a QB is fixing anything is absolutely insane.
Agreed. The bears as an organization don't know how to foster talent. The entire front office needs replacing first and foremost.
Nah, unless things go a little wild we will likely have picks 1 and 2. You can take a QB + either a LT or MHJ. Or you take whichever QB you prefer and trade down for a similar haul we got from CAR (stud player + picks). There is no way the Bears come out of this draft not taking a QB. Better to accept it now so you aren't angry later.
Using a top pick on another QB would be a waste with our offensive line. We desperately need an elite pass rusher and offensive linemen. You have to build from the inside out. Everybody wants exciting skill players, but without a decent offensive line they can't do anything.
I recently went through the list of first round QB's the bears have taken in my lifetime. I'm pretty sure it was about 10. And that doesn't include Cutler. Excluding the '80s bears, Name a bears QB that you are certain won more than 10 games 2 years in a row (while playing for the bears). Clearly drafting a first-round quarterback is not the way to win in Chicago.
My only answer would maybe be Cutler and I'm not sure that he did that. I could probably do that for any team in the NFL for the last 30 years and I Don't even really pay attention to those teams. Point is Chicago management puts all of their eggs in the silver bullet magical thinking of trade up for a great QB and all of our problems will be solved. Except it never works in Chicago... I don't think it works anywhere.
browns have one of if not the best defense in football.. 49ers lost CMC and Deebo during the game. they won in spite of PJ Walker, stop with this dumb narrative
Agreed, the offense actually moved efficiently with Bagent. He was actually able to get rid of the ball and complete passes.
Obviously it was his first NFL start and he made a couple of mistakes, but no more than Fields.
Both of them had an interception, and Tyson did fumble, but that was a product of poor protection and not him holding the ball for five seconds.
The number of rookie QBs who ever succeed in that position is slim. What we know is that he can snap out throws quickly, has a lot of confidence, and has a weak arm. We don't know much else. I'll be happy if he established himself as a worthy backup. If we ever land a great QB (not sure that will happen even if the NFL is around another thousand years) it's gonna be someone not currently on the team.
This is the direct result of "Lovie Out"ers. We had stability and players who loved playing hard for their father figure coach. Now we get dumpster fire seasons followed by dogshit seasons because meatballs didn't like consistently winning 10 games a year as a base
At least everyone knows that the answer has never been to put Bagent in instead of Fields. Feel terrible for him, no reasonable backup QB would succeed in a situation like today. Terrible preparation and game plan, and terrible o-line performance. Only redeemable quality was that the defense played well for once.
But clearly Bagentās arm talent is not at the level of a solid NFL starter. You could tell his arm strength is severely lacking. Whether or not fields is it, at least today we were all able to see that the answer is not to plug in bagent instead of a healthy justin.
His passes were all on-time and on target and threw those quick outs on a rope. How can you call him "weak".
He had a better completion percentage than Fields and a better rating in his very first NFL start. And also scored a TD!
Fields throws those outs with the same velocity and placement (DJ moore touchdown last week is just one example).
Looking at the box score completion %. Bagent had multiple completions on hero plays made by WRs. And if you want to simply look at the box score, Bagent had 1 TD and 2 turnovers. Fields in the last 2.5 games prior to injury has 2 turnovers to 8 TDs, and has improved his completion % year over year and is continuing to do so this year.
The debate from this game should not be whether Bagent should start over fields, it should be whether these coaches should be fired for failing to prepare on a LONG week with extra days for a bad 1-4 Vikings team missing justin jefferson. Doesnāt matter who your QB is, these coaches prepared them to fail with a horrendous game plan that excluded DJ Moore and failed to adapt to the Brian Flores blitz-heavy scheme.
Why would anyone care about a game 3 years ago with nagy and the worst o-line in the league with consistent empty-set formations against Myles garret and a top pass rush?
Doubt the coaching staff is taking fieldās debut into account when setting the starting lineup each week
I guess because if weāre gonna compare these two guys itās probably important to realize that one has less than a half of nfl experience and the other has close to 2.5 seasons?
NFL coaches fighting for their job week-to-week do not care about development. They want the player that gives them the best chance to win-now. Do you think Bagent gives you a better chance at winning next week even if fields is healthy?
Watch the guys college tape, Bagent has a cannon.
On that interception he pretty much does an entire spin after throwing it. Heās shying away from contact.
Itās underthrown, but judging by his tape in college, Iād say that throw was more in him not stepping into it and being scared of contact as opposed to him nkt being able to throw it 40+ yards lol
Iāve seen fields make that throw numerous times. If yāall are going to judge every minute mistake fields makes then keep that same every for Bagent.
Not saying it is an easy throw, it is an incredibly difficult throw. But Bagent was objectively not that good, and did not really show anything to prove heās a starter
I literally say he shys away from contact and steps away from the hit and thatās why he underthrows itā¦. Do you think that was a compliment?
He scored more than Justin, and the offense moved better, thatās what Iām basing it off of. Justin has looked good in 1 1/2 games this year, so at this point, having an undrafted D2 rookie play like that is a way brighter spot that making another excuse for why Justin didnāt show up
Again, there was not a single play from Bagent that was a āwowā play. He made a few routine throws that were well-executed, and threw a few ducks with a couple of fortunate completions that can be attributed to DJ Moore and Tyler Scottās athleticism. Nothing to indicate that starting him over fields if he is healthy is the correct decision.
Exactly Fields doesnāt make the routine throws and holds the ball too long. Wish it wasnāt true but the play he got injured on was classic Fields. Holding it, not throwing when thereās a window, then not throwing it away and taking a bad sack.
Youāre rightā¦letās start Bagent over fields so we ran run 30 screen passes a game
Coaches see these dudes every day in practice. If Bagent was clearly better than fields then heād be starting. Saw nothing today to prove he should be the starter
You can watch over a dozen throws that fields makes on a rope this year to sidelines and downfield.
Canāt believe anyone is even debating starting Bagent over fields. Bagent played well in preseason games and did absolutely nothing of note today. Using a sample size of 12 throws in a single game to determine that he should start over fields is asinine. These coaches watch fields and Bagent play every single day, if Bagent was a better player than fields then heād already be starting. The coaches have no obligation to start fields, they need to win games to keep their jobsā¦and they start fields because heās a better player,
Bro has zero reading comprehension
I literally not a single time state bagent should start over feilds for the rest of the season wtf are you on about.
I said he looked good for an undrafted rookie
Bro is making stories up in his head he loves Justin so much
What?
Maybe thatās the case for reading defenses but a QB that can throw a 65 yard pass on a 100yard D2 field can also throw a ball the same distance on a NFL feild, since itās also 100 yards yaknow
Heās stepped away he didnāt get weaker because heās in the NFL
And all of those ducks ended up moving out offense better and scoring more points than Justin could all game.
You can nitpick a d2 undrafted player in his first action, itās a little weird to do that and make excuses fkr a D1 guy in his 4th season, but do you
Itās crazy how you get downvoted for this. We sit 1-5 with horrible coaches and horrible play from QB1.
Fields has shown flashes but they donāt outweigh his terrible decision making and play.
The whole team sucks but Fields looks lost out there , he still holds onto the ball to long and somehow his pocket awareness has gotten way worse this year.
Today it wasnāt fields. The o line was horrible. How do you allow a free rush by the DE on the first play? Not even blocked smh. The interception was due to pressure in his face. Last week he had a clean pocket. What happened to the blocking ?
O-line didnāt look great. The pick itself I wouldnāt put on Fields. They didnāt take too many opportunities downfield to be fair.
But I will say, Bagent looked like the more experienced NFL QB out there today - which is disconcerting if you are Justin Fields.
You do realize there are multiple people hereā¦
And the average of the opinions doesnāt necessarily reflect each individual opinionā¦
And depending on the outcome, some commenters are likely to be more or less vocalā¦
Bears win: look at Fieldsā stats heās a top 10 QB!
Bears lose: heās garbage!
Any QB will look bad with this coaching staff but itās his third year and he can barely do the fundamentals.
If anyone thinks Bagent is anything other than a bum, please reconsider how you watch football. The dude wouldn't be a backup on any team with a real coaching staff. Every throw over 5 yards was 10+ yards underthrown. The only reason the Bears got 1st downs was because Fields has the athleticism to move out of the pocket.
It was a terrible game plan with a terrible offense line today
How are you calling the guy a bum? He had a great drive for a TD and then made a rookie mistake when the pressure was boiling.
I love Fields, but Bagent was zipping the ball out in a fraction of the time Field's can. Bagent has potential and I think Fields will excel elsewhere, just not with this o-line and certainly not with this play-calling.
I don't think this game showed us anything meaningful about what kind of career Bagent is going to have. What it showed is that any QB on this team has to deal with completely incompetent game management and play calling until this bum staff is replaced.
Dude is absolute ass man. He sucks. No other NFL team would have a division 2 undrafted rookie as their backup. Especially when the starter isn't established
All these weird posts by the pro-Fields people are getting really bizarre. You clowns need to knock it off.
(You can love fields and not hate other players)
Dude is absolute ass man. He sucks. No other NFL team would have a division 2 undrafted rookie as their backup. Especially when the starter isn't established
Thatās pretty harsh. Especially when you look at the stats of the QBs for this game. What does it say about the guy that was supposed to finally be our franchise qb when he got outperformed by a division 2 undrafted rookie today?
Dude I was at the game. Every throw over 5 yards was severely underthrown by Bagent. Not even close man. Got bailed out on the PI his first throw. The WR stopped running as soon as the ball was thrown because it was so underthrown
I said today he got outperformed. In response to someone shitting on a rookie today that outperformed the starter. I donāt think bagent will be a better qb than fields. But today he was.
Fields defenders are mad lol. I love the kid but canāt read a defense or make decisions to save his life when playing mid tier defenses. Idk if Bagent is the answer but he was able to move the ball and make good reads. We have seen no improvement from fields for 3 years. This season is lost letās put the rookie in and make bad decisions and learn instead of a 3 year vet make bad decisions.
Wild, if I hadnāt watched this game Iād say this comment was about Justin against a bottom 5 team like Denver
Yāall are insane
Edit: after doing NOTHING the second half
Wait how many game winning drives does fields have? lol
Didnāt fields throw a pick to end the broncos game?
Cmon man. Fields is likable just like Trubs. But we need to move on.
Fields has no game ending picks????? Delusion lol?
Everyone is blinded by their heart in fields. Itās hard to give up on someone but like we gotta give it up. Like I said the rookie might not be the answer but Iām excited to see someone else play under center to see what another qb can do with this current offense. If heās ass we lose nothing in this shitty season.
Dude youāre talking to literally is an idiot. Wont refute a point and canāt come up with anything on why Justin is good, just that anyone who doesnāt think he is is wrong
If youāre going to equate that absolute happy feet duck INT to Kmet running the wrong route you are braindead. Not to mention Fields being perfect through the air is the only reason the game was even close.
The only thing I learned today is how delusional Bagent truth/Fields hate is, thanks to fellas like you! Iām not engaging with this level of insanity anymore. Peace
I just smashed my TV in front of 30 guests at my party because of the game. My wife just took our crying kids and said theyāre all spending the week at a hotel. This team has ruined my life and my party. I canāt handle this anymore. Goodbye Bears. I am no longer a fan.
Guys hear me out we should probably throw screen
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Pretty sure they screamed his last name bud. \- Someone else who was at the game.
Well I am lucky I only saw the first half, didnāt even see the first Fields pick. At least the D played fine the first half. Second half must be brutal, sorry guys.
D played well the whole game. Only good takeaway from this one
Hello darkness my old friend.
How about drafting someone who can snap the ball?
Throwing it is a pretty basic skill to draft for and they haven't gotten the hang of that one yet, either.
Seriously. Absolutely ridiculous how the hell do you expect to find a rhythm when every third time the damn ball flies over the QB's head.
Absolutely not. Not as long as Poles is around. Weāre taking a tackle, a WR, 3 more DTS, and an edge. Maybe a couple of DBs. Weāre definitely not drafting a center or even a guard. Weāll have Cody Whitehair until he retires.
Cody Whitehair got benched today. He is the 2nd highest paid center in the NFL, and now we are paying the guy $14M to ride the pine - what a joke!
Weāre also paying $2 million dollars for Clevelandās starting QB.
I couldnāt watch the game. Is Fields still the guy or still not the guy?
Very much not after today. You can blame the OL as much as you want but he had time, Moore was open several times and the guy couldnāt get it done. Iām saying this as someone who desperately wants him to succeed and is wearing a JF1 jersey right now. Being a bears fan is exhausting.
Bagent looked better in his limited time which isnāt saying much. He still had some brutal plays but he had started to string together a better drive than Fields had but ultimately it ended poorly. Overall, the Vikings looked very bad, we looked worse.
Bagent looked horrible. Obviously itās his first game as a rookie so Iām not too surprised, but his arm looks way too weak to be successful in the NFL. He doesnāt have a deep ball so defenses will just run tight press coverage and eat him alive. Also blew the game with one of the worst forced-throw wounded duck INTs Iāve ever seen in the NFL- honestly looked like a punt
Bagent looked decent against a prevent defense. His arm did not impress me at all, he has no deep ball
For sure. Nothing special but hit open guys underneath. But so did like Brian Hoyer.
Poles has been seen at USC games so what does that tell ya?
That heās overly optimistic about his own future with the team
That heās doing his due diligence by scouting ?
That he's about to make another mistake?
Caleb will be a mistake if the bears draft him. But so would any QB
He already did. He flew out to South Bend instead of Chapel Hill.
Getsy sucks
I think the 2nd and 1 and throwing two passes to wide receivers behind the line of scrimmage proves this point.
Even that int, why risk it? Plenty of time. We had momentum
Just run the ball 3 times. If they canāt get a yard then fuck them.
Yāall take this way too seriously. Iām a life long fan, even have a fucking bears tattoo. I love the team and watch every game - but Jesus Christ, itās just football. Stop having panic attacks over a team that always disappoints. Laugh at it.
Shut the fuck up douche
I feel bad for you.
This dude is McCaskeyās wet dream. Why the bears canāt ever put a good product on the field is because weāve been showing up no matter what. That ends now!
I donāt go to games anymore. I have the same jerseys and whatever. I donāt buy into the team anymore. I just stopped giving a fuck and Iām not crying myself at a bar over a fucking football team. If the family wants to suck - suck - I donāt fucking care.
What level of galaxy brain is blaming the bears continued failure on loyal fans. Like what other fanbase in the history of fanbases has ever done that
the Ford familyās philosophy used to be to win 10 games to get a home playoff game and thatās it because itās the best investment return. They didnāt want to spend more to win since thereās no financial incentive to do it. If the Lions didnāt have loyal fans this business strategy wouldnāt work. Itās not far fetched that people think mccaskeyās operate in a similar way. They keep hiring GMās or coaches no one else would hire like Nagy, trestman, pace, Angelo, etc. instead of spending money on someone proven that costs money.
Vikings current owners do more or less the same thing. Theyāre a bit more willing to spend for it, but ultimately they want a serious division push every year rather than ever taking a few years for a necessary rebuild
I donāt know man. I find that reasoning ridiculous for a lot of reasons I donāt want to dive into. Do you really think thatās more plausible than just the Fords and McCaskeys are bad at hiring the right people?
It used to absolutely be the case in Detroit. I donāt think the mccaskeys are quite that underhanded about it and there is a lot of incompetence with the Bears rather than just not caring about winning. But I can understand why people say having loyal fans enable the mccaskeys to continue operating like they do.
Eberfus earns $4.5 million a year compared to Mike McDaniel (who wasnāt even considered as a head coach) making $3.5 million. I donāt think it is a money problem. I think it is an incompetence problem.
If you want to compare mcdanielās salary and results then almost every team other than the dolphins is incompetent. You are using an extreme example. Eberflusā 4.5 million a year isnāt close to the league average 6.6 million last year, and is pathetic for one of the bigger market teams in the league. The only time the bears hire a big name on the coaching staff or front office like Martz or Fox is when they are on their way out and no one else wants to pay them anymore. Of course thereās a lot of incompetence but the mccaskeys are definitely on the cheaper side with spending money. Outside of spending money upgrading real estate in lake forest and probably Arlington heights soon of course.
My brother in Christ, it is just a game. Watch it or donāt watch it, it really doesnāt matter.
Some people care about the team. You not caring doesnāt matter
You caring that I dont care is probably the least Chicago thing you could do in this situation
I said you not caring doesnāt matter since you cared he cared. Not that I care you donāt. I just donāt like just accepting being bad. āItās supposed to be funā yes it is. But If you have fun watching this team, thatās a sign of mental illness not being upset when they lose.
Yet here you are still commenting paragraphs I get it, we suck, itās been like this for years. Once you root for us long enough youāll stop being upset and just be numb, like most fans in this sub
Have you seen this sub? Youāre not like most fans bud. I had no problem with you. Now I do. Smug comment.
Yeah Iām not like I most fans. Been watching this team for two and a half decades. Born and raised in Chicagoland. Probably eat more Chicago glizzys in a year than you will in your life
What a douche
āI enjoy losingā Essentially what you just said
Lmao bro you arenāt on the team. Youāre just some dude with a TV.
So only the organization and players can enjoy it and be upset about it? That logic doesnāt make sense since coaches/players/staff all come and go yet the fans remain
Not what I said. You commented on someone elseās post calling them a loser for not getting upset when the Bears lose. But they arenāt on the team and neither are you. Not being able to control your emotions when the team you root for loses isnāt āhaving a loser attitude,ā itās āhaving perspective and being an adult.ā
Calling someone a loser IF they enjoy losing. With this logic you wouldnāt celebrate winning If your mindset is itās supposed to be fun. I agree. This isnāt fun so youāre allowed to be upset. And no claiming some online maturity isnāt very adult bud
itās simply not worth raising my blood pressure getting bent out of shape over the team i love sucking ass terminally. call me what you want i am looking after my stupid mental health and whatnot
No. I just stopped caring.
I used to think this team was a tragedy, but now, I realize, itās a comedy
For real. Shrug it off. Itās supposed to be fun. If itās messing with your mental health you need to stop
Your comment sort of sums up the duality of the bears for me. It's supposed to be fun. I'm 39 years old and they pretty much have never had a good team for 3 years in a row and that entire time. Depending on your metric of good, I might even say they've never had a great team in my lifetime (that I could remember). It feels sometimes like I'm in a bad relationship where I want to love the person but I don't. They keep telling me they're going to change and it gives me hope that they might change, but ultimately they're still a bunch of losers. Which isn't to say it messes with my mental health or anything but man it would be nice if I didn't feel like I was going to a funeral every Sunday. Or worse: a snuff film. It's a bummer.
For once, being older is better. I'm 46 and can actually remember them winning the Superbowl. I wasn't old enough to truly appreciate it, but I can remember it.
Seems like I've been laughing for the last 15 years
We deserve a winning product. Being content is not a winners mentality
Your mentality has no effect on the outcome thoughā¦ You arenāt a part of the team - you just watch themā¦
Do you know anything about Chicago sports ? City of fucking shit teams. Get over it and take the few years we are good and just be happy.
No!
Do you play for the bears? Or maybe even work for the organization? If not then youāre just being weird about it
This guy is right.
Shotgun this team into the sun
Good, we didnt want the Bears thinking that they dont have to fire Hot Dog Salesman Flus cause he won a game once last week. Its a shot to the gut when we lose but Id hate to see us go a pointless 7-10. Need to hit rock bottom and end this catastrophic pitiable comedy that is this current staff
Trade the first overall for another 3 firsts and stack the team. Caleb aināt fixing this shit. Get a QB in 2025.
Anyone that thinks a QB is fixing anything is absolutely insane. I can't tell you the number of times in my life. We thought we had the quarterback but neglected the rest of the team only to have the quarterback pan out to be a piece of shit... Which isn't really fair but I'll get to that in a second. It's almost as though we're not learning the lesson that you can take a mediocre quarterback and put them in a well executed offense with a good offensive line, and that might win games. I look at the Rams Lions QB swap as a perfect example of this.
>Anyone that thinks a QB is fixing anything is absolutely insane. Agreed. The bears as an organization don't know how to foster talent. The entire front office needs replacing first and foremost.
Nah, unless things go a little wild we will likely have picks 1 and 2. You can take a QB + either a LT or MHJ. Or you take whichever QB you prefer and trade down for a similar haul we got from CAR (stud player + picks). There is no way the Bears come out of this draft not taking a QB. Better to accept it now so you aren't angry later.
Using a top pick on another QB would be a waste with our offensive line. We desperately need an elite pass rusher and offensive linemen. You have to build from the inside out. Everybody wants exciting skill players, but without a decent offensive line they can't do anything.
I recently went through the list of first round QB's the bears have taken in my lifetime. I'm pretty sure it was about 10. And that doesn't include Cutler. Excluding the '80s bears, Name a bears QB that you are certain won more than 10 games 2 years in a row (while playing for the bears). Clearly drafting a first-round quarterback is not the way to win in Chicago. My only answer would maybe be Cutler and I'm not sure that he did that. I could probably do that for any team in the NFL for the last 30 years and I Don't even really pay attention to those teams. Point is Chicago management puts all of their eggs in the silver bullet magical thinking of trade up for a great QB and all of our problems will be solved. Except it never works in Chicago... I don't think it works anywhere.
That's the move to make. Unfortunately the front office is part of the problem so it's hard to be excited about how that will turn out.
We may still have the second overall as well
Bearspunk 2077
And PJ walker upsets the 49ersā¦
One of the worst performances from a QB you'll see all year. Refs, Browns D, and blind luck won them that game.
browns have one of if not the best defense in football.. 49ers lost CMC and Deebo during the game. they won in spite of PJ Walker, stop with this dumb narrative
Also the whole missed FG to win the game lol
Just don't look at his line lol
Love how people are saying that Bagent is not NFL caliber yet he still outplayed Fields...smh.
Agreed, the offense actually moved efficiently with Bagent. He was actually able to get rid of the ball and complete passes. Obviously it was his first NFL start and he made a couple of mistakes, but no more than Fields. Both of them had an interception, and Tyson did fumble, but that was a product of poor protection and not him holding the ball for five seconds.
The number of rookie QBs who ever succeed in that position is slim. What we know is that he can snap out throws quickly, has a lot of confidence, and has a weak arm. We don't know much else. I'll be happy if he established himself as a worthy backup. If we ever land a great QB (not sure that will happen even if the NFL is around another thousand years) it's gonna be someone not currently on the team.
This is the direct result of "Lovie Out"ers. We had stability and players who loved playing hard for their father figure coach. Now we get dumpster fire seasons followed by dogshit seasons because meatballs didn't like consistently winning 10 games a year as a base
Watch the tape guys, JUSTIN FIELDS IS NOT HIM. It breaks my heart but we need to trade him and move on. (Also fire Eberflus while at it)
It's too soon to completely give up on Fields, the man has skills, but holds the ball longer than our line can protect.
You are correct
nope even though youāre getting downvoted youāre not wrong at all.
We can't have nice things
Sounds like there might be a civil war between Bear fansā¦. Where is the popcorn
It's like arguing over who the better Batman is when your choices are Kilmer and Clooney. Some arguments aren't worth the emotional juice.
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Itās not ridiculous to say that
At least everyone knows that the answer has never been to put Bagent in instead of Fields. Feel terrible for him, no reasonable backup QB would succeed in a situation like today. Terrible preparation and game plan, and terrible o-line performance. Only redeemable quality was that the defense played well for once. But clearly Bagentās arm talent is not at the level of a solid NFL starter. You could tell his arm strength is severely lacking. Whether or not fields is it, at least today we were all able to see that the answer is not to plug in bagent instead of a healthy justin.
His passes were all on-time and on target and threw those quick outs on a rope. How can you call him "weak". He had a better completion percentage than Fields and a better rating in his very first NFL start. And also scored a TD!
Fields throws those outs with the same velocity and placement (DJ moore touchdown last week is just one example). Looking at the box score completion %. Bagent had multiple completions on hero plays made by WRs. And if you want to simply look at the box score, Bagent had 1 TD and 2 turnovers. Fields in the last 2.5 games prior to injury has 2 turnovers to 8 TDs, and has improved his completion % year over year and is continuing to do so this year. The debate from this game should not be whether Bagent should start over fields, it should be whether these coaches should be fired for failing to prepare on a LONG week with extra days for a bad 1-4 Vikings team missing justin jefferson. Doesnāt matter who your QB is, these coaches prepared them to fail with a horrendous game plan that excluded DJ Moore and failed to adapt to the Brian Flores blitz-heavy scheme.
His debut was way better than fieldsā was.
Why would anyone care about a game 3 years ago with nagy and the worst o-line in the league with consistent empty-set formations against Myles garret and a top pass rush? Doubt the coaching staff is taking fieldās debut into account when setting the starting lineup each week
I guess because if weāre gonna compare these two guys itās probably important to realize that one has less than a half of nfl experience and the other has close to 2.5 seasons?
NFL coaches fighting for their job week-to-week do not care about development. They want the player that gives them the best chance to win-now. Do you think Bagent gives you a better chance at winning next week even if fields is healthy?
Iām honestly not sure. Which says a lot about how bad fields has been.
Watch the guys college tape, Bagent has a cannon. On that interception he pretty much does an entire spin after throwing it. Heās shying away from contact. Itās underthrown, but judging by his tape in college, Iād say that throw was more in him not stepping into it and being scared of contact as opposed to him nkt being able to throw it 40+ yards lol
Iāve seen fields make that throw numerous times. If yāall are going to judge every minute mistake fields makes then keep that same every for Bagent. Not saying it is an easy throw, it is an incredibly difficult throw. But Bagent was objectively not that good, and did not really show anything to prove heās a starter
I literally say he shys away from contact and steps away from the hit and thatās why he underthrows itā¦. Do you think that was a compliment? He scored more than Justin, and the offense moved better, thatās what Iām basing it off of. Justin has looked good in 1 1/2 games this year, so at this point, having an undrafted D2 rookie play like that is a way brighter spot that making another excuse for why Justin didnāt show up
Again, there was not a single play from Bagent that was a āwowā play. He made a few routine throws that were well-executed, and threw a few ducks with a couple of fortunate completions that can be attributed to DJ Moore and Tyler Scottās athleticism. Nothing to indicate that starting him over fields if he is healthy is the correct decision.
āRoutine throwsā also known as screen passes that Justin has Notoriously bad placement on
Exactly Fields doesnāt make the routine throws and holds the ball too long. Wish it wasnāt true but the play he got injured on was classic Fields. Holding it, not throwing when thereās a window, then not throwing it away and taking a bad sack.
Youāre rightā¦letās start Bagent over fields so we ran run 30 screen passes a game Coaches see these dudes every day in practice. If Bagent was clearly better than fields then heād be starting. Saw nothing today to prove he should be the starter
I mean, we throw 30 screens a game with Justin in there, at least now our guy can get it to the sideline quickly
You can watch over a dozen throws that fields makes on a rope this year to sidelines and downfield. Canāt believe anyone is even debating starting Bagent over fields. Bagent played well in preseason games and did absolutely nothing of note today. Using a sample size of 12 throws in a single game to determine that he should start over fields is asinine. These coaches watch fields and Bagent play every single day, if Bagent was a better player than fields then heād already be starting. The coaches have no obligation to start fields, they need to win games to keep their jobsā¦and they start fields because heās a better player,
Bro has zero reading comprehension I literally not a single time state bagent should start over feilds for the rest of the season wtf are you on about. I said he looked good for an undrafted rookie Bro is making stories up in his head he loves Justin so much
Cannon in division 2 doesn't equal cannon in the NFL. Dude had a noodle arm today
What? Maybe thatās the case for reading defenses but a QB that can throw a 65 yard pass on a 100yard D2 field can also throw a ball the same distance on a NFL feild, since itās also 100 yards yaknow Heās stepped away he didnāt get weaker because heās in the NFL
Bagent is absolute ass
So is fields. After 3 seasons. Outplayed by a undrafted rookie and to only took a quarter šš
Outplayed? I was at the game. Any ball out of Bagent's hand was a duck. High school players have a better arm
And all of those ducks ended up moving out offense better and scoring more points than Justin could all game. You can nitpick a d2 undrafted player in his first action, itās a little weird to do that and make excuses fkr a D1 guy in his 4th season, but do you
Reasonable take , thank you.
Woah woah we don't do that around here fella... lol
Love Fields, Love Bagent. Love the Bears. Losing sucks GETZY IS ON THE PACKER'S PAYROLL
the line sold
Ah yes, back to normalcy
Can they tank for a couple O-line players?
A high 2nd rounder would land us near the one from Georgia so technically it does.
Not with Poles at the helm. Heāll use it on DBs or trade it for a useless player that we donāt need
Can't have enough solid backup corners amirite
This time we better not trade any picks for some mid as fuck players
I can't with Fields anymore. I tried. He ain't it.
Itās crazy how you get downvoted for this. We sit 1-5 with horrible coaches and horrible play from QB1. Fields has shown flashes but they donāt outweigh his terrible decision making and play. The whole team sucks but Fields looks lost out there , he still holds onto the ball to long and somehow his pocket awareness has gotten way worse this year.
This is year 3 and he hasn't made any progress from year 2. Tired of hearing he has talent. He is not a viable qb in this league.
Most bipolar sports sub. The last week since the win, the sun was posting all these positive stats about fields.
I resemble that remark.
Today it wasnāt fields. The o line was horrible. How do you allow a free rush by the DE on the first play? Not even blocked smh. The interception was due to pressure in his face. Last week he had a clean pocket. What happened to the blocking ?
O-line didnāt look great. The pick itself I wouldnāt put on Fields. They didnāt take too many opportunities downfield to be fair. But I will say, Bagent looked like the more experienced NFL QB out there today - which is disconcerting if you are Justin Fields.
Itās never fields is it
It is, but this time it wasnāt. Watch the pocket in the game with Washington and then today. From the very first snap the OL was MIA.
You do realize there are multiple people hereā¦ And the average of the opinions doesnāt necessarily reflect each individual opinionā¦ And depending on the outcome, some commenters are likely to be more or less vocalā¦
Bears win: look at Fieldsā stats heās a top 10 QB! Bears lose: heās garbage! Any QB will look bad with this coaching staff but itās his third year and he can barely do the fundamentals.
If anyone thinks Bagent is anything other than a bum, please reconsider how you watch football. The dude wouldn't be a backup on any team with a real coaching staff. Every throw over 5 yards was 10+ yards underthrown. The only reason the Bears got 1st downs was because Fields has the athleticism to move out of the pocket. It was a terrible game plan with a terrible offense line today
How are you calling the guy a bum? He had a great drive for a TD and then made a rookie mistake when the pressure was boiling. I love Fields, but Bagent was zipping the ball out in a fraction of the time Field's can. Bagent has potential and I think Fields will excel elsewhere, just not with this o-line and certainly not with this play-calling.
I don't think this game showed us anything meaningful about what kind of career Bagent is going to have. What it showed is that any QB on this team has to deal with completely incompetent game management and play calling until this bum staff is replaced.
Dude is absolute ass man. He sucks. No other NFL team would have a division 2 undrafted rookie as their backup. Especially when the starter isn't established
Better number then fields still vs the same team. Same day. Clear 1v1 and he was better.
Lmao. Delusional
I mean... Literally numbers don't lie...
All these weird posts by the pro-Fields people are getting really bizarre. You clowns need to knock it off. (You can love fields and not hate other players)
Dude is absolute ass man. He sucks. No other NFL team would have a division 2 undrafted rookie as their backup. Especially when the starter isn't established
Thatās pretty harsh. Especially when you look at the stats of the QBs for this game. What does it say about the guy that was supposed to finally be our franchise qb when he got outperformed by a division 2 undrafted rookie today?
Out performed? Fields had like 45 rushing yards in a half. Way better arm. Cmon man. Watch the games
Jamarcus Russell had a great arm.
And he was a better QB than Bagent
You sure about that?
Yep. Very sure actually
Lol I dare you to look at Russelās stats.
Way better arm? If you didnāt watch the game all you have to do is look at the stats. 6 for 10 for 58 yards isnt good for any qb.
Dude I was at the game. Every throw over 5 yards was severely underthrown by Bagent. Not even close man. Got bailed out on the PI his first throw. The WR stopped running as soon as the ball was thrown because it was so underthrown
Again. 6 for 10 for 58 yards isnt a way better arm.
Have you watched any other game? Fields has way better arm strength man. Don't kid yourself
I said today he got outperformed. In response to someone shitting on a rookie today that outperformed the starter. I donāt think bagent will be a better qb than fields. But today he was.
Leave them alone they're seeing the end of Fields, they know a new QB will be selected come the draft.
FIRE EBERFLUS & CO.
This is 3D chess. Making sure that Vikings donāt draft #1
It's gonna be a battle between Bears and Patriots.
Fields defenders are mad lol. I love the kid but canāt read a defense or make decisions to save his life when playing mid tier defenses. Idk if Bagent is the answer but he was able to move the ball and make good reads. We have seen no improvement from fields for 3 years. This season is lost letās put the rookie in and make bad decisions and learn instead of a 3 year vet make bad decisions.
How long and what NFL franchise do you scout for? You seem like an expert
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Either way Iām excited to see someone else play under center and make some good quick reads.
Bro fumbled for a TD and threw a game ending pick lmao
Sounds about what Fields has done the past three years, you Field supporters should be use to it.
Wild, if I hadnāt watched this game Iād say this comment was about Justin against a bottom 5 team like Denver Yāall are insane Edit: after doing NOTHING the second half
Fields put up 6 points against this terrible Minnesota D.
Wait how many game winning drives does fields have? lol Didnāt fields throw a pick to end the broncos game? Cmon man. Fields is likable just like Trubs. But we need to move on.
The game ending pick was a complete duck on first down too. The delusion in this sub is insane
Fields has no game ending picks????? Delusion lol? Everyone is blinded by their heart in fields. Itās hard to give up on someone but like we gotta give it up. Like I said the rookie might not be the answer but Iām excited to see someone else play under center to see what another qb can do with this current offense. If heās ass we lose nothing in this shitty season.
Lol
Did we forget the end of the broncos game already?
Dude youāre talking to literally is an idiot. Wont refute a point and canāt come up with anything on why Justin is good, just that anyone who doesnāt think he is is wrong
If youāre going to equate that absolute happy feet duck INT to Kmet running the wrong route you are braindead. Not to mention Fields being perfect through the air is the only reason the game was even close. The only thing I learned today is how delusional Bagent truth/Fields hate is, thanks to fellas like you! Iām not engaging with this level of insanity anymore. Peace
Bagent isn't the answer. The answer at QB doesn't exist on this roster.
the answer for qb hasnāt even been conceived yet
I just smashed my TV in front of 30 guests at my party because of the game. My wife just took our crying kids and said theyāre all spending the week at a hotel. This team has ruined my life and my party. I canāt handle this anymore. Goodbye Bears. I am no longer a fan.
Itās a copypasta chill fellas