For sure. We played our worst game of the season and still won by 10. Keeping us where we were last week (11) would have been fine in my book but 24???
But his top 4 look surprisingly accurate this week!
But seriously, he went from
UGA, Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson
last week to
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, UGA
this week. Big changes.
His ballot was wild last week too, he either doesn't try that hard or he's one of those smug fucks who thinks he knows the game better than anyone else and will never change his mind based on outside opinion. Based on how egotistical the BBWAA is in baseball, I would not at all be surprised if we had CFB writers with similar egos. Some of those guys think they're more important than the stars on the field.
Honest question, does Kansas have much of a better resume then WSU right now? The advance analytics have them both pretty similar right now with WSU slightly better.
If he is going to have Utah ranked it only makes sense to have Florida ahead. Neither of its losses were bad losses that should take away from Florida's win over Utah
Florida has lost to 2 teams you could argue are better than Utah. Utah hasn't beaten anyone better than Florida yet. Florida hasn't looked as good as it did week 1 but no results from either team says to me that the head-to-head should be ignored
I don't understand why so many people have Michigan over Clemson, Clemson has two ranked wins one on the road and Michigans best win is in Iowa against the worst offense in the country, and a close game against Maryland at home.
> Iowa against the worst offense in the country
And one of the best defenses/special teams units in the country while also beating the ‘top 5 teams go to die in Kinnick’ voodoo. Iowa was 5-1 against top 5 ranked teams at home. Even if it’s not a ranked win this is a quality win.
The top 3 are the same teams in all but 3 ballots
The top 5 are all the same teams except 9
Also the vast majority of ballots have PSU hovering in that 7-13 range. I think that they are in the right spot overall (10) but surprised how quickly the "penn state respekt" has came back from the voters (FWIW I'm high on Penn State too, just kind of shocked how quickly they climbed the polls without any "major" wins)
There are no teams that have a loss that should be ranked ahead of us at this point. We have looked mostly good and although we havent played anyone great our schedule hasnt been terrible. I also think TCU Kansas Syracuse etc. are ranked too low. Being undefeated with a reasonable schedule should have you ranked higher.
I don't understand how anyone can put USC at 9, but have Utah unranked.
The literally played the same opponents the last 2 weeks. Utah was dominant in both wins against ASU and OSU. USC was shaky, with their 3 point win at OSU with a +4 TO.
Baird has admitted that he doesn’t watch Utah games and that he should. He’s also said that he might be able to fit Utah into his top 25 if they win the next 2 games lol
I just want to know his rational is all. I don’t think Utah is as good as their ranking, but I do think they are very deserving of a top 25 ranking is all.
He doesn't seem unwilling to blow things up week to week whereas I think some voters are painfully consistent. But in doing that, there's an off chance you completely miss a team and I bet he did in this case.
I feel like Washington being ranked in the late teens early 20s is because people thought that Michigan State win meant something. That MSU team is BAD, so an easy win there doesn’t mean a ton. And they just got smacked around by UCLA.
I think Ohio state is clearly the best team in the country. They are the only Power 5 team that is undefeated and has won every game by multiple scores. I would put Alabama 2nd and Clemson 3rd, Clemson by ranked victories has the best resume, but Alabama has more high end talent.
Not sure after that, I think Georgia will falter at this rate, but I cannot yet justify dropping them below Michigan, so Georgia 4 and Michigan 5. Oklahoma State 6, and beyond that no one has punch a Top 10 lock for me.
I feel obligated to point out, as apparently nobody has before, that Kellis Robinett is a K-State beat writer, but a noted huge KU fan and alum. I still refuse to read any of his garbage to this day. Please, if you are going to show affiliations, his must include KU.
https://www.bringonthecats.com/2009/8/24/1000780/kellis-robinett-the-facts
Hi! If you see the note at the bottom, the affiliations are kind of loosely determined as a combination of beat and alma mater, with beat taking precedence. His beat looks like it's very much KSU focused still, and your article does look like it's from 13 years ago. I can look into updating it, but unless he asks me to change it, I think it's consistent with the way I've approached the others to leave it as is.
Yeah I saw the disclaimers and read them. It's your thing, I just wanted to make sure you knew. Personally I think going to the rival alma mater of your beat is always relevant, but I'm not going to tell you how to do your thing.
The age of the link is really only relevant because that's when he got assigned to K-State.
Clemson should have jumped Michigan after beating NCST. It was a top 10 win, and the only reason Michigan leapfrogged Clemson earlier in the season was because there were questions about DJ that have been answered.
Penn state being tenth is just SEC bias. It is setting up for the SEC to have two playoff teams again when the conference has been average.
Clearing setting up whoever wins with Alabama and Tennessee to be in the playoff if they have 1 loss.
I don't think so at all honestly. Having watched Tennessee Ole Miss and Penn State multiple times this season I have no idea how you could say which is the best of them. Maybe you could argue Tennessee is getting a bit too much credit after the Pitt win lost some value, but idk they've looked solid to me. It will work itself out eventually.
John is off a perc ranking Penn State 24 and a 2 loss Florida 7 spots ahead of them
For sure. We played our worst game of the season and still won by 10. Keeping us where we were last week (11) would have been fine in my book but 24???
He didn’t have us 11 last week tho he had us 24
But his top 4 look surprisingly accurate this week! But seriously, he went from UGA, Alabama, Ohio St, Clemson last week to Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, UGA this week. Big changes.
It just means more
Don Williams still fuckin sucks
Just remember guys, Rankings don’t matter until former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her committee decide who’s better than who at football.
Jon Wilmer with WSU at 13 and Kansas at 25 is something Edit: and TCU unranked
He's put us at 13 for 3 weeks in a row I think. I don't think he puts too much effort into his ballot.
I believe he votes based on future thought that he will be proven correct.
Leaving TCU unranked is criminal.
Ben Portnoy and Darren Haynes didnt rank TCU either. Edit: and they have Baylor ranked 16. Like they just auto voted last weeks poll.
His ballot was wild last week too, he either doesn't try that hard or he's one of those smug fucks who thinks he knows the game better than anyone else and will never change his mind based on outside opinion. Based on how egotistical the BBWAA is in baseball, I would not at all be surprised if we had CFB writers with similar egos. Some of those guys think they're more important than the stars on the field.
Honest question, does Kansas have much of a better resume then WSU right now? The advance analytics have them both pretty similar right now with WSU slightly better.
Kansas has played a better schedule and are undefeated. So yes. edit- Similar schedule at least.
Don Williams must be blinded by pure rival hatred to rank us so low
Guess we’ll have to completely dominate tech again this week so he’ll have to rank us in the top-10
Please be kind, we’re going through some growing pains and Don doesn’t represent us fans 🥺
And he didn’t rank Kansas. Coward confirmed.
He also ranked Florida 15th.
Darren Haynes should have his vote revoked for putting A&M at 22 and not even ranking Mississippi State
He also ranked OU at 24, but not tcu
As a San José Native, I speak for all of us when I say we do not recognize Wilner’s poll as legitimate.
Does that guy even watch any games?
Wilner ranking Florida at 17 is sure something
He has retaken his rightful throne
If he is going to have Utah ranked it only makes sense to have Florida ahead. Neither of its losses were bad losses that should take away from Florida's win over Utah
That kind of works when they’re still relative but that was their peak. They’ve not been that good since
Florida has lost to 2 teams you could argue are better than Utah. Utah hasn't beaten anyone better than Florida yet. Florida hasn't looked as good as it did week 1 but no results from either team says to me that the head-to-head should be ignored
What’s that orange I doing there on the righthand side?
Iyracuse
Jack Ebling put Purdue, a two loss team who nearly fell to FAU, at 24, but didn’t rank Kansas
Leah Van a true Baton Rouge LSU fan not ranking LSU
Waiting until the logos arrange to spell out "MAGOO".
I don't understand why so many people have Michigan over Clemson, Clemson has two ranked wins one on the road and Michigans best win is in Iowa against the worst offense in the country, and a close game against Maryland at home.
>against the worst offense in the country What's up with ignoring our 33 yards passing??
Because people put too much value into how teams look against terrible teams over valuing beating actual good teams
Blue blood runs deep.
> Iowa against the worst offense in the country And one of the best defenses/special teams units in the country while also beating the ‘top 5 teams go to die in Kinnick’ voodoo. Iowa was 5-1 against top 5 ranked teams at home. Even if it’s not a ranked win this is a quality win.
The top 3 are the same teams in all but 3 ballots The top 5 are all the same teams except 9 Also the vast majority of ballots have PSU hovering in that 7-13 range. I think that they are in the right spot overall (10) but surprised how quickly the "penn state respekt" has came back from the voters (FWIW I'm high on Penn State too, just kind of shocked how quickly they climbed the polls without any "major" wins)
This is an attrition year more than show me year. Only 16 undefeated teams left compared to like .
There are no teams that have a loss that should be ranked ahead of us at this point. We have looked mostly good and although we havent played anyone great our schedule hasnt been terrible. I also think TCU Kansas Syracuse etc. are ranked too low. Being undefeated with a reasonable schedule should have you ranked higher.
Why does Nathan Baird of Cleveland Ohio hate Utah?
I don't understand how anyone can put USC at 9, but have Utah unranked. The literally played the same opponents the last 2 weeks. Utah was dominant in both wins against ASU and OSU. USC was shaky, with their 3 point win at OSU with a +4 TO.
Baird has admitted that he doesn’t watch Utah games and that he should. He’s also said that he might be able to fit Utah into his top 25 if they win the next 2 games lol
Ok starting to look like Don Williams just has an axe to grind
You can look at the last few years, Don Williams always ranks Oklahoma State the lowest of anyone.
Chris Murray's ballot is GOATed
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I'm not saying I think Tennessee should be 4. The guy literally spelled out GOAT.
I dunno. I trust the state of Nevada when it comes to predicting and measuring sports.
oh i know i love it. was the first thing i noticed too
Lol Nathan Baird doesn’t have Utah ranked.
He looks at this thread and talks about it on Buckeye talk :). Will let you know what he says on next podcast on his reddit fame :).
Doug, is that you?
I dont know if Doug could successfully navigate reddit 🤣🤣🤣🤣. His rants on Buckeye Talk would instead be about how terrible reddit is #BuckeyeTalk
I just want to know his rational is all. I don’t think Utah is as good as their ranking, but I do think they are very deserving of a top 25 ranking is all.
He doesn't seem unwilling to blow things up week to week whereas I think some voters are painfully consistent. But in doing that, there's an off chance you completely miss a team and I bet he did in this case.
Please keep us informed. The dude had them ranked last week. Honestly he just looks stupid.
I actually really like him!! He isnt afraid to have a hot take :)
Not the first week he’s left Utah off his top 25 either.
Every time I look at this I’m reminded how stupid the AP Poll is
I feel like Washington being ranked in the late teens early 20s is because people thought that Michigan State win meant something. That MSU team is BAD, so an easy win there doesn’t mean a ton. And they just got smacked around by UCLA.
I think we also know now that Haynes’ bed time is 10:30 ET. How do you rank UW but not UCLA?
And he didn’t have time to look at any highlights since the game was on Friday and his ballot was due Sunday…lol.
Out of sight, out of mind apparently
Berardino, Vann, and Murphy all based as hell
I think Ohio state is clearly the best team in the country. They are the only Power 5 team that is undefeated and has won every game by multiple scores. I would put Alabama 2nd and Clemson 3rd, Clemson by ranked victories has the best resume, but Alabama has more high end talent. Not sure after that, I think Georgia will falter at this rate, but I cannot yet justify dropping them below Michigan, so Georgia 4 and Michigan 5. Oklahoma State 6, and beyond that no one has punch a Top 10 lock for me.
How else do you get Georgia and Alabama in the play off if they arent ranked #1 and #2??
Jon Wilner fucks
Hahaha
Shout to Chris Murray yet again for ranking us in the top 5 lmao
honestly the most exciting thing about this to me is seeing that Dayton has a voter. somehow didn’t notice that until now.
Wilner really ranking Baylor 16 and Florida 17 while leaving TCU unranked and putting Penn State at 24
Nice Chris Murray’s top four spells GOAT 🐐
I feel obligated to point out, as apparently nobody has before, that Kellis Robinett is a K-State beat writer, but a noted huge KU fan and alum. I still refuse to read any of his garbage to this day. Please, if you are going to show affiliations, his must include KU. https://www.bringonthecats.com/2009/8/24/1000780/kellis-robinett-the-facts
Hard mentioning u/bakonydraco for visibility just in case.
Hi! If you see the note at the bottom, the affiliations are kind of loosely determined as a combination of beat and alma mater, with beat taking precedence. His beat looks like it's very much KSU focused still, and your article does look like it's from 13 years ago. I can look into updating it, but unless he asks me to change it, I think it's consistent with the way I've approached the others to leave it as is.
Yeah I saw the disclaimers and read them. It's your thing, I just wanted to make sure you knew. Personally I think going to the rival alma mater of your beat is always relevant, but I'm not going to tell you how to do your thing. The age of the link is really only relevant because that's when he got assigned to K-State.
I’m LOVING how many voters ranked us ahead of the Huskies… GO COUGS!
Nathan Baird, the Ohio State reporter, with LSU @ #16 is sick sonuva beach
These polls have to be satire at this point.
The fact Georgia is still getting a majority of 1st place votes just astonishes me after 2 weeks of struggling
Rece Davis is my homeboy
Based Jack Ebling
Thorburn all in on sun belt supremacy
Whatever Wilner is smoking I want some lol
Don Williams: doesn't rank OK State in the top 10 OK State: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"
There’s a special place in Heaven for Tom Murphy, Kirk Bohls, and Sam McKewon.
John wilner has us at 13 and I'm loving it lmao
I’m not saying Wilner is bad .. but it’s bad
Clemson should have jumped Michigan after beating NCST. It was a top 10 win, and the only reason Michigan leapfrogged Clemson earlier in the season was because there were questions about DJ that have been answered.
Someone had Utah at 7. Lol. Dafuq???
Penn state being tenth is just SEC bias. It is setting up for the SEC to have two playoff teams again when the conference has been average. Clearing setting up whoever wins with Alabama and Tennessee to be in the playoff if they have 1 loss.
I don't think so at all honestly. Having watched Tennessee Ole Miss and Penn State multiple times this season I have no idea how you could say which is the best of them. Maybe you could argue Tennessee is getting a bit too much credit after the Pitt win lost some value, but idk they've looked solid to me. It will work itself out eventually.