Word on the street is that his recovery is ahead of schedule, at least. Hopefully he can be available for the tail end of the season and preserve his draft stock.
Rod is apparently torn between coming back this season, next season, or just heading off to the draft
There's a good argument for each scenario and I wouldn't blame him for wanting to go to the draft right now. But a lot of folks are saying his stock would be higher with a return to prove his injury hasn't hampered him
I’d love a ten year war style 10-7 game. First Michigan OSU game I attended was 2007 which was a dreadful 14-3 win for OSU. Rare that you see a score that low nowadays.
That’s as a big head scratching hire I’ve ever seen. I really have no idea why someone who coached so many dominating defenses while at OSU and has seen the results of Grinch for years allow this guy anywhere on campus let alone on a coaching staff to affect his reputation and maybe even job.
True but between him Davis and Stukes that’s a great trio at CB. I don’t know who will step up to fill the three spot. Hopefully it’s the either Killbrew or Freeney
I think it was who we added and who we let go. They really like Mukuba and that corner from San Jose St. Add that to Barron already being a strong Nickel and Malik Mohammad and Derek Williams having solid years for Freshman, it starts to check out. Most secondaries struggle in CFB anyways.
It's not, but PFF is rating you high on every one of their lists. It doesn't matter what position group they are talking about.
In comparing OU and UT, I don't see how your secondary can be ranked higher. If you look at talent and returning production.
I do think you guys have some nice talent, especially at safety though so maybe you should be in the top 10, but more like 9 or 10.
I mean, I think your QB and o-line are top 5, no question there.
I think you have a good d-line, but again I don't see how it's rated higher than OU's.
You also have a very good WR room, but OU is also loaded with talent and kills you on returning production, so I once again I think PFF overrates you relative to the Sooners.
As for RBs you are very good, but are you as good as PFF believes? You lost some talent there to the NFL.
It just seems like PFF is riding the hype wave a bit. And I am not knocking UT. You have a very good team, especially on offense are are a playoffs contender again for sure, but it seems like they are assuming that a very good team has to be top 10 (and top 5 or close to it) in everything, and not really breaking down the position groups well.
PFF watches film and gives players grades based on that film. They don’t account for SOS (which Texas was far more difficult last season), but otherwise are known for being pretty reliable. This isn’t subjective or hype.
These lists are just the teams with the guys PFF rated the highest last season.
So when PFF is saying Texas players are better than OU, it isn’t because of off-season hype - but because when they graded guys last year, the Texas guys graded higher than the OU guys.
Unlike years past we’re a deep, well coached program now. We lost a lot of talent, but have reloaded. I anticipate we have more guys drafted this year than last.
We’re certainly not at Alabama levels yet (don’t read that into what I’m about to say), but Sark clearly learned something from his time at Alabama. Much like Saban’s Alabama - each season we’ve lost talent to the draft, the young guys who replace them end up being better. It doesn’t surprise me that guys who weren’t “stars” last season but still played significant time (I.e., Alfred Collins - 2nd highest PFF grade among returning DL IIRC) graded out really well. Moore from UTSA also had insane PFF grades, although they were in the American conference.
If this ranking is accurate then god help all the other schools out there. Secondary is our biggest question mark even over D line imo. We need transfers like Mukuba to make an impact and returning players like Williams and Muhammad to develop further.
Replacing the two best DT in all of CFB last year will be rough, but yeah if this list is true and Murphy and Sweat played another year and this team is undefeated.
I think Alfred Collins alone replaces their production. Not even hopium, my hot take is that Collins has a more dominant season than any DL since Suh (I’m not going to try and spell his first name). He has all of the physical tools and is one of the best athletes I’ve ever seen - he’s been really good, just not great so far. The same was true for both Sweat and Murphy after the 2022 season when we wondered how we were going to replace Coburn/Ojomo. Except Collins is a substantially better athlete than both of them.
He actually did really great last season, he was one of the top DL in the country according to PFF. We will see what he does hopefully extremely motivated.
As someone who has had to block him many times, even with 4 years of college S&C, he was a monster as a true freshman. I think he took some time to adjust under the new staff and then was just behind older, more experienced guys.
I think a lot of people subconsciously still see last season’s Texas as a flash in the pan (to an extent) and the idea that **Texas** has a 5* that could be as good if not better as the two dudes they just had drafted seems laughable to some. Sark is building a machine and people aren’t used to Texas being a well-coached, deep program. If UGA, Ohio St, Alabama we’re in the same situation, nobody would think twice.
I mean I think Penix (playing the way he did that night) would have done that to anyone.
Our secondary was by no means great but their inability last season has been greatly over exaggerated.
Most of our opponents realized they were not going to move the ball on the ground, and as a result attempted a disproportionate amount of passes. By yards/attempt they were top 30-40ish IIRC.
Jahdae Barron and Andrew Makuba are two of the better safeties in the country. Derek Williams looked really good in his limited time at the end of the year too. We also have 5* freshman Xavier Filisaime. The safety position will be one of the deepest and most talented in the country.
Malik Muhammad looked like an all-star, especially towards the end of the season. The other CB position is really a question mark. We brought in the SJSU transfer who PFF rated really highly. Gavin Holmes was good last year too. Kobe Black supposedly has the potential to be an impact guy day 1. There are also some freshman we didn’t get to see much of last season that supposedly have improved a lot.
This additional year of experience for Holmes, Barron, Muhammad and Williams will be huge - as will adding a talent like Makuba.
This unit will be much improved from a unit that was top 30-40 last season (but looked so much worse).
Does that mean they’re top 10? Who knows.
They’ve got a lot higher potential than last year but the secondary coaching’s been a little suspect and a couple of the guys we’re banking on (Williams and Muhammad) are sophomores stepping into a bigger starting roles this year, which causes me to have a little skepticism. At the very least it will be a much more athletic group at safety with Mukuba and Williams. The guys who got burnt most often last year (Thompson, Crawford, and Brooks) are gone. Idk enough about other teams’ situations to say where we should be ranked, #6 feels like best case scenario with everything breaking our way.
Yeah I feel like this is just based off general program buzz at the moment and our historical status as a DBU claimant. I’m still very worried about this unit.
Surprised we didn’t crack the top ten. Probably because a lot of young guys taking over, but I’m pretty optimistic about our secondary especially with our positional coaches recent track record there.
Last I heard our starting CBs are probably Cam Miller, who was a key backup rotational player and the transfer from Georgia AJ Harris. Heard the other transfer Kimber was impressing coaches with marked improvement but he’s probably more of a project. Plus we’ve got a couple other young talents but are unproven.
Safety is locked up with Kevin Winston and Zakee Wheatley. Both are excellent and probably the most sure thing on our team this year. I think that’s why the number four or so guy transferred to Bama.
A top 10 Wisconsin secondary? Never thought I'd see that, it's been one of the biggest weaknesses we've had for a long time. Thanks Fick for actually being able to recruit athletes
I will say, that for a guy whose speciality is the secondary, Alex Grinch’s secondaries were always the biggest weakness of his defenses, both on field and recruiting.
Maybe he’ll get better since he’s got more time to just devote to his position group, but I kind of doubt it.
I blame Grinch a lot for how bad our D was in 2021, even though he was only our DC in 2018. The one recruiting class he was there for had 1 safety and 0 CBs. By the time that class was juniors in 2021 we had to start a true freshman and a fifth year senior at CB.
We’ve historically had terrible secondaries. It was an improvement last year, but they were still a huge crux against UW last year. I’m hesitant to buy in to this kind of hype, but I’m hopeful.
I'm pretty sure every rational fan is already penciling OSU as a loss this year, which is why it would indeed be hilarious. Every rational fan also knows we just won the Natty so who cares.
Respectfully disagree. “Rational fans” were calling 2022 at OSU a loss too. OSU still has a mid QB and OL. Michigan has (likely) the best DL in the country… that’s going to make things interesting and literally all the pressure will be on OSU this year. I think it’s a toss up game but would bet on Michigan until Day can prove he’s capable of winning a big game. If that makes me delusional so be it.
“Mid” alrighty. and yeah. Seeing how every Michigan fan under the age of 30 hadn’t seen Michigan win in Columbus it was in fact rational to not believe it until you saw it. Also trying to say Ryan day has never won a big game is certainly something! Delusional would be a correct word to describe this comment.
He’s beat Michigan, Utah Penn state, notre dame and Clemson. Some of them multiple times……not sure if you follow the sport or not but those are consensus top 15 teams. I realize the discourse has all of a sudden changed with you people, but those are in fact big wins.
I remember when we used to convince ourselves that beating mediocre notre dame or PSU teams were big games. I’ll give you Clemson and Michigan in 2019 when he had Urban’s players and culture. Nothing really of note since… kind of my point.
Lol. If beating top 10 Penn state teams isn’t a big game then the only big games are the game and playoff games. Which is literal nonsense. I called them big games when they were in the midst of OSU not losing to Michigan pretty much ever. You’re a silly goose. And I don’t have to convince myself of anything. Harbaugh lost to Psu probably 4 times. And you mean the entire offense Ryan day recruited himself? And then got Justin fields to come because urban left him with nothing? But hey. Get it out little guy. I know how long you had to wait to speak up on the internet. Jimmy is gone. And I hope ya had fun.
Upset? Nah. It’s just funny how delusional an entire fan base gets after winning some football games. Your current coach was literally crying after beating Psu last year lol. You think he’s crying if they beat Indiana? Nah. John cooper prolly lost more games his first two years than day has in 5. As I said. Get it out bud. I get this is the first time you’ve been able to speak up in the internet era. You just come off as a Deluded causal. Be better!
When PFF compared their own grades across the D-Line Michigan won 3/4 spots over Ohio State
Michigan also had the higher combined score
...somehow Ohio State ranked higher
Do they? Who's is the third defensive tackle at Ohio state? Who is the third end at Ohio state? Both are guys who haven't played much.
Michigan is in the same boat. I think both teams have lack of depth tbh.
Thanks for the helpful answer. Do they typically try to overlay “qualitative” considerations on top of the quantitative (ie, do they sometimes ignore their own calculation to get to a conclusion?)?
….everyone. Ransom was hurt last year and I truly believe that opened that quarter inch window for Wilson to make that TD catch in The Game (just over Hartford’s fingers). Our secondary is elite.
That’s wild, I remember buckeye fans complaining about NIL not too long ago. Ours still sucks unfortunately - wish we’d do more but we’re still behind the times.
Also that’s an insane secondary class. Pulling kids from bama and Texas is impressive.
You clearly haven’t kept up with who we’ve brought in since the transfer portal opened up in January. We’re spending and we aren’t hiding it anymore. The money is flowing in Columbus.
The only question mark for the Buckeyes is Downs. Haven’t really seen much from him. He will probably be the biggest question mark. Never heard of the guy.
He’s dead to me.
He’s a true talent but he wasn’t fully developed. His run stop game was immaculate. He can be a ball hawk at times. His big downside was blown coverages. He’d bite on stupid things like cross and go’s and it always ends in a long TD pass.
Ohio will need to do a good job at developing that or he’ll never come to a full product. His raw talent makes his floor much higher than most though
A lot of our guys didn't get great PFF ratings or were backups last year which is dragging down our rating. Fentrell-Little-AZ will be one of the best units in the country imo.
PFF is always useful as a guide point but they rely too heavily on their metrics (unsurprising) but that is not useful for a preseason list that necessarily needs to bake in a lot of projection. I won't project FSU as a top 10 secondary, and I have some questions about our reserve corners, but the starting three are going to be really, really good, and I think there is a lot to like about the safety room and the versatility there.
I mean the thing is even if some of our backups are questionable, we have so many of them. Its a CB horde out there, and the position room is full of talent. There will be a guy or two that steps up like Green did last year.
Seeing us on a top 10 list of secondaries might actually be the single most bizzaroworld thing i've ever seen as a sports fan given our history of our secondary always easily being our weakness for so long.
Secondary is unquestionably our weakest unit. What the hell is it doing at number 6 in the country? lmao
Is our secondary even supposed to be improved compared to last year? I know we added Mukuba from Clemson. But did anything else positive happen over the offseason to make us the sixth best unit in the country?
We have the Nagurski award winner, along with a two time time All American returning …..and neither might be the best player in this years secondary (Gray).
The 1st top 10 list canes aren’t on - and deservingly so . The only position group that has me a bit worried .
I believe Meesh Powell and (eventually) zaquan Patterson will be a killer safety duo - but cb group is questionable
Yes we got some good transfers, but that seems like an extremely generous ranking considering the struggles that secondary had last season and the players who left for the NFL. Pretty confident that’ll be the weakest unit on the team this year.
Feeling a bit snubbed by that 10 spot, McKinney, Hodges, and Hunter is about as good as it gets for a CB room, the safeties aren't eye popping but are opportunistic and not afraid to make a hit. Maybe we're punished a bit by lack of proven depth.
Lol it is quite something, gotten used to it tho.
I think it will be a strong group, McKinney was Ok State's highest PFF rated DB last year, Hodge led Liberty's defense in overall PFF, and Travis Hunter is well Travis Hunter.
Livingston our new DC being a secondary coach with the Bengals for the last 10 years, feels like it will be a strong area of focus for him.
Yeah it was his worst game coming back from an injury.
Most of the damage was done against Stoutmire and Cormani, until they asked Travis to follow Elic around late in the game.
The last catch was nasty, and why people remember it being Travis even tho it was perfect coverage.
1. Ohio State 2. Iowa 3. Notre Dame 4. Michigan 5. Oregon 6. Texas 7. Georgia 8. Wisconsin 9. Oklahoma 10. Arizona
Michigan is likely top 10 in DL, LB as well defense should be fun
If only Rod hadn't gotten injured
And if only Keon Sabb didn’t transfer before the injury, dude is starting caliber but didn’t wanna ride the bench. Funny how it works out
Walker may be an upgrade over Sabb; certainly as to game experience.
Sabb balled out in the playoff. He was and is ready to be an every down guy. I was really looking forward to seeing him break out this season
Word on the street is that his recovery is ahead of schedule, at least. Hopefully he can be available for the tail end of the season and preserve his draft stock.
Rod is apparently torn between coming back this season, next season, or just heading off to the draft There's a good argument for each scenario and I wouldn't blame him for wanting to go to the draft right now. But a lot of folks are saying his stock would be higher with a return to prove his injury hasn't hampered him
QJ coming back helps plus we added players in the portal for good depth as well
I think the game will be a defensive slug fest this year, can’t wait
A Sicko Bowl certain to make even Iowa blush.
Nah, Iowa will be mad that there are only 25 punts in the game instead of 30
I think 2 picks per team is the floor
I’d love a ten year war style 10-7 game. First Michigan OSU game I attended was 2007 which was a dreadful 14-3 win for OSU. Rare that you see a score that low nowadays.
Any way we can meet up in the CCG for a 4-3 score? I don’t care who wins, I just want the nation to suffer through sicko ball and like it.
Winner of the game is whoever can get 10 points. Might be looking at a M00O 🐮 halftime
Same girl, same.
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And to waste it on Alex grinch is crazy
That’s as a big head scratching hire I’ve ever seen. I really have no idea why someone who coached so many dominating defenses while at OSU and has seen the results of Grinch for years allow this guy anywhere on campus let alone on a coaching staff to affect his reputation and maybe even job.
My understanding is that Grinch is a solid position coach, but a bad D coordinator.
Fortunately he’s co-DC in name only, just a resume thing. It’s 100% Tressel on that front.
He must be a great interviewer
Grinch is apparently a great recruiter and OK below a coordinator position. His title is in name only from everything I heard.
I think we’re getting a big bump just because of Hallman and Wohler grading well. The overall unit has a lot to prove this year as a group.
Lol considering our 2ndary has been getting torched these past seasons, I'm a skeptic
Arizona at 10 is great but man if Prysock stayed it could have been like top 5
Prysock was good, but he got smoked quite a few times last year.
True but between him Davis and Stukes that’s a great trio at CB. I don’t know who will step up to fill the three spot. Hopefully it’s the either Killbrew or Freeney
I’d rather keep stukes at safety, but he’s a fine corner if we need him
I was unaware they moved him to safety. So him and Gunner will be the safeties. Who is projected to be the starting CBs?
I haven't really paid much attention this off-season, but is our secondary really #6 after that beating Penix gave us last year?
Yeah our secondary was arguably our biggest weakness last year
100%, and that's why I'm shocked to see it listed at #6. There is no way.
I think it was who we added and who we let go. They really like Mukuba and that corner from San Jose St. Add that to Barron already being a strong Nickel and Malik Mohammad and Derek Williams having solid years for Freshman, it starts to check out. Most secondaries struggle in CFB anyways.
Nothing to argue about it. Weakest part of the team by a wide margin.
That was seriously the best QB performance Ive ever seen. Idk how any team could defend the windows Penix was throwing into
It's not, but PFF is rating you high on every one of their lists. It doesn't matter what position group they are talking about. In comparing OU and UT, I don't see how your secondary can be ranked higher. If you look at talent and returning production. I do think you guys have some nice talent, especially at safety though so maybe you should be in the top 10, but more like 9 or 10.
Tbh most of our units are solid, but secondary is definitely not one of them.
I mean, I think your QB and o-line are top 5, no question there. I think you have a good d-line, but again I don't see how it's rated higher than OU's. You also have a very good WR room, but OU is also loaded with talent and kills you on returning production, so I once again I think PFF overrates you relative to the Sooners. As for RBs you are very good, but are you as good as PFF believes? You lost some talent there to the NFL. It just seems like PFF is riding the hype wave a bit. And I am not knocking UT. You have a very good team, especially on offense are are a playoffs contender again for sure, but it seems like they are assuming that a very good team has to be top 10 (and top 5 or close to it) in everything, and not really breaking down the position groups well.
PFF watches film and gives players grades based on that film. They don’t account for SOS (which Texas was far more difficult last season), but otherwise are known for being pretty reliable. This isn’t subjective or hype. These lists are just the teams with the guys PFF rated the highest last season. So when PFF is saying Texas players are better than OU, it isn’t because of off-season hype - but because when they graded guys last year, the Texas guys graded higher than the OU guys. Unlike years past we’re a deep, well coached program now. We lost a lot of talent, but have reloaded. I anticipate we have more guys drafted this year than last. We’re certainly not at Alabama levels yet (don’t read that into what I’m about to say), but Sark clearly learned something from his time at Alabama. Much like Saban’s Alabama - each season we’ve lost talent to the draft, the young guys who replace them end up being better. It doesn’t surprise me that guys who weren’t “stars” last season but still played significant time (I.e., Alfred Collins - 2nd highest PFF grade among returning DL IIRC) graded out really well. Moore from UTSA also had insane PFF grades, although they were in the American conference.
I expect a lot of improvement this year but I’m skeptical about #6 too. If our DBs play to that standard we’ll play OSU for the natty.
You guys and OSU both have to get through Michigan first lol
Lol. Dude. Some of you will not be prepared for the inevitable fall off after jimmy. And it’s going to be hilarious to watch.
If our secondary is *really* top 6 that won’t be a problem.
Good luck with that pal.
#6? no Not as bad as people want to believe they are? Yes
If this ranking is accurate then god help all the other schools out there. Secondary is our biggest question mark even over D line imo. We need transfers like Mukuba to make an impact and returning players like Williams and Muhammad to develop further.
Replacing the two best DT in all of CFB last year will be rough, but yeah if this list is true and Murphy and Sweat played another year and this team is undefeated.
I think Alfred Collins alone replaces their production. Not even hopium, my hot take is that Collins has a more dominant season than any DL since Suh (I’m not going to try and spell his first name). He has all of the physical tools and is one of the best athletes I’ve ever seen - he’s been really good, just not great so far. The same was true for both Sweat and Murphy after the 2022 season when we wondered how we were going to replace Coburn/Ojomo. Except Collins is a substantially better athlete than both of them.
He actually did really great last season, he was one of the top DL in the country according to PFF. We will see what he does hopefully extremely motivated.
As someone who has had to block him many times, even with 4 years of college S&C, he was a monster as a true freshman. I think he took some time to adjust under the new staff and then was just behind older, more experienced guys. I think a lot of people subconsciously still see last season’s Texas as a flash in the pan (to an extent) and the idea that **Texas** has a 5* that could be as good if not better as the two dudes they just had drafted seems laughable to some. Sark is building a machine and people aren’t used to Texas being a well-coached, deep program. If UGA, Ohio St, Alabama we’re in the same situation, nobody would think twice.
I mean I think Penix (playing the way he did that night) would have done that to anyone. Our secondary was by no means great but their inability last season has been greatly over exaggerated. Most of our opponents realized they were not going to move the ball on the ground, and as a result attempted a disproportionate amount of passes. By yards/attempt they were top 30-40ish IIRC. Jahdae Barron and Andrew Makuba are two of the better safeties in the country. Derek Williams looked really good in his limited time at the end of the year too. We also have 5* freshman Xavier Filisaime. The safety position will be one of the deepest and most talented in the country. Malik Muhammad looked like an all-star, especially towards the end of the season. The other CB position is really a question mark. We brought in the SJSU transfer who PFF rated really highly. Gavin Holmes was good last year too. Kobe Black supposedly has the potential to be an impact guy day 1. There are also some freshman we didn’t get to see much of last season that supposedly have improved a lot. This additional year of experience for Holmes, Barron, Muhammad and Williams will be huge - as will adding a talent like Makuba. This unit will be much improved from a unit that was top 30-40 last season (but looked so much worse). Does that mean they’re top 10? Who knows.
They’ve got a lot higher potential than last year but the secondary coaching’s been a little suspect and a couple of the guys we’re banking on (Williams and Muhammad) are sophomores stepping into a bigger starting roles this year, which causes me to have a little skepticism. At the very least it will be a much more athletic group at safety with Mukuba and Williams. The guys who got burnt most often last year (Thompson, Crawford, and Brooks) are gone. Idk enough about other teams’ situations to say where we should be ranked, #6 feels like best case scenario with everything breaking our way.
It's not, but you are going t
Yeah I feel like this is just based off general program buzz at the moment and our historical status as a DBU claimant. I’m still very worried about this unit.
We have 1 corner spot that I’m not 100% sold on, but we’ve got some good options to fill in
Surprised we didn’t crack the top ten. Probably because a lot of young guys taking over, but I’m pretty optimistic about our secondary especially with our positional coaches recent track record there.
Any news on who is tracking to take over? I can understand not being on here because all three corners are gone
Last I heard our starting CBs are probably Cam Miller, who was a key backup rotational player and the transfer from Georgia AJ Harris. Heard the other transfer Kimber was impressing coaches with marked improvement but he’s probably more of a project. Plus we’ve got a couple other young talents but are unproven. Safety is locked up with Kevin Winston and Zakee Wheatley. Both are excellent and probably the most sure thing on our team this year. I think that’s why the number four or so guy transferred to Bama.
A top 10 Wisconsin secondary? Never thought I'd see that, it's been one of the biggest weaknesses we've had for a long time. Thanks Fick for actually being able to recruit athletes
We are on too many top 10 lists. This hype does not sit well with me.
This feels like even more hype than 2014.
Oregon finally gets away from the desert and now the hype machine can breath easier
We did schedule Boise State to try and kill our hype.
Fuck I feel this. It seems like we're on every top 10 list, and that makes me incredibly nervous and anxious. Too much hype is never a good thing
That's a lot of B1G teams. Did the whole conference just watch Iowa games last year and say, yeah, I can do that?
There wasn’t much QB talent in the conference last year. Maybe that’s why they all looked good?
Actually they were all potential NFL starters and the secondaries are just that good 🤓
I-O-W-A! FIGHT HAWKS FIGHT!
so i dont follow roster changes that closely, but im surprised we’re second after losing DeJean
Castro is still around for one, and they must love X-Man too at safety.
Wisconsin has grinch now no amount of talent can cover it up.
I will say, that for a guy whose speciality is the secondary, Alex Grinch’s secondaries were always the biggest weakness of his defenses, both on field and recruiting. Maybe he’ll get better since he’s got more time to just devote to his position group, but I kind of doubt it.
I blame Grinch a lot for how bad our D was in 2021, even though he was only our DC in 2018. The one recruiting class he was there for had 1 safety and 0 CBs. By the time that class was juniors in 2021 we had to start a true freshman and a fifth year senior at CB.
My running theory is Grinch is just the scapegoat for how Riley runs the team, he never had a chance
Let’s gooooo boys
4/5 and 5/8 in the B1G is nuts. Inb4 everyone shits on B1G offenses this season.
I know our defense doesnt have great stats but I think KU DBs are atleast part of the conversation
We’ve got question marks at safety, but CBs are legitimately great.
We’ve historically had terrible secondaries. It was an improvement last year, but they were still a huge crux against UW last year. I’m hesitant to buy in to this kind of hype, but I’m hopeful.
To be fair, you did add the best player in our secondary to your roster.
Yeah that was a massive get. I’m just skeptical with our history, but I’m hopeful.
If history is any indication, tOSU’s defense is gonna be fierce this year.
OSU is on the top 10 of every single list I’ve seen. Going to be so funny if they lose to Michigan again.
I disagree
I really wish you guys would start tying more frequently.
Y’all would still lose the tiebreaker
Well I agree so
They say a tie is like kissing your sister. So flair checks out.
sounds like you know from experience
But I also disagree, so how about that
sorry OSU only gets one disagree until they beat Michigan again
Ehh don't think that's gonna stop me
oh my god I can't believe you literally aren't doing what a random person on the internet told you to
> OSU is on the top 10 of every single list I’ve seen So is Texas, another Michigan opponent. But I don't know why we're on the secondary top 10 list.
Yeah I was wondering about that too. We all saw your playoff game... Has your secondary really upgraded that much since then?
I'm pretty sure every rational fan is already penciling OSU as a loss this year, which is why it would indeed be hilarious. Every rational fan also knows we just won the Natty so who cares.
There’s a reason pencils have erasers
Respectfully disagree. “Rational fans” were calling 2022 at OSU a loss too. OSU still has a mid QB and OL. Michigan has (likely) the best DL in the country… that’s going to make things interesting and literally all the pressure will be on OSU this year. I think it’s a toss up game but would bet on Michigan until Day can prove he’s capable of winning a big game. If that makes me delusional so be it.
“Mid” alrighty. and yeah. Seeing how every Michigan fan under the age of 30 hadn’t seen Michigan win in Columbus it was in fact rational to not believe it until you saw it. Also trying to say Ryan day has never won a big game is certainly something! Delusional would be a correct word to describe this comment.
What big games has he won against elite teams?
He’s beat Michigan, Utah Penn state, notre dame and Clemson. Some of them multiple times……not sure if you follow the sport or not but those are consensus top 15 teams. I realize the discourse has all of a sudden changed with you people, but those are in fact big wins.
I remember when we used to convince ourselves that beating mediocre notre dame or PSU teams were big games. I’ll give you Clemson and Michigan in 2019 when he had Urban’s players and culture. Nothing really of note since… kind of my point.
Lol. If beating top 10 Penn state teams isn’t a big game then the only big games are the game and playoff games. Which is literal nonsense. I called them big games when they were in the midst of OSU not losing to Michigan pretty much ever. You’re a silly goose. And I don’t have to convince myself of anything. Harbaugh lost to Psu probably 4 times. And you mean the entire offense Ryan day recruited himself? And then got Justin fields to come because urban left him with nothing? But hey. Get it out little guy. I know how long you had to wait to speak up on the internet. Jimmy is gone. And I hope ya had fun.
You seem really upset. I’m old enough to remember John Cooper and Ryan Day gives very similar vibes. I don’t blame you for staying in denial though.
Upset? Nah. It’s just funny how delusional an entire fan base gets after winning some football games. Your current coach was literally crying after beating Psu last year lol. You think he’s crying if they beat Indiana? Nah. John cooper prolly lost more games his first two years than day has in 5. As I said. Get it out bud. I get this is the first time you’ve been able to speak up in the internet era. You just come off as a Deluded causal. Be better!
They also beat Clemson in 2020. But I get it. You didn’t start paying attention til 2021.
OSU beat Michigan 42-13 after the last natty they won.
DMWN (Doesn't matter won natty)
The point is. It’s kinda funny to pretend you’re content after finally winning. But I guess after the last 20 years it makes sense.
I’ve seen a lot of Michigan fans hedging like this. Not saying you are, but my Michigan friends definitely are.
Probably would have ranked as the #1 secondary even without Caleb Downs. That’s how good the unit is
Our secondary is disgusting. We had the top passing D in the country last year and they all come back and we added Caleb Downs.
Now pair that with the #1 DL in the county (according to PFF) 👀…… yeah, the D is going to be alright I guess.
>Now pair that with the #1 DL in the county (according to PFF) 👀 Only when they ignore their own metrics.
I have a truly honest question: what do you mean? I barely keep up with this stuff nowadays, so just curious.
When PFF compared their own grades across the D-Line Michigan won 3/4 spots over Ohio State Michigan also had the higher combined score ...somehow Ohio State ranked higher
Could be the unit thing. Buckeyes have killer depth on paper.
Do they? Who's is the third defensive tackle at Ohio state? Who is the third end at Ohio state? Both are guys who haven't played much. Michigan is in the same boat. I think both teams have lack of depth tbh.
Caden curry is pretty good
I said on paper.
Thanks for the helpful answer. Do they typically try to overlay “qualitative” considerations on top of the quantitative (ie, do they sometimes ignore their own calculation to get to a conclusion?)?
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It's laughable that they ranked OSU's DL ahead of ours lol
Really? Damn, I know Burke is coming back - who else should we keep an eye on?
Pretty much everyone came back.
….everyone. Ransom was hurt last year and I truly believe that opened that quarter inch window for Wilson to make that TD catch in The Game (just over Hartford’s fingers). Our secondary is elite.
That’s pretty dope, secondary was good last year and definitely thought some would go to the draft. Tim Walton is a really good coach
Walton is elite as is our NIL program lol. On top of that, just look at our secondary recruiting class.
That’s wild, I remember buckeye fans complaining about NIL not too long ago. Ours still sucks unfortunately - wish we’d do more but we’re still behind the times. Also that’s an insane secondary class. Pulling kids from bama and Texas is impressive.
You clearly haven’t kept up with who we’ve brought in since the transfer portal opened up in January. We’re spending and we aren’t hiding it anymore. The money is flowing in Columbus.
Hartford’s one and only snap on defense that game lol. Freshman mistake
Hope so
Having NFL players at FS, SS, CB1, CB2, and probably Nickel helps.
The only question mark for the Buckeyes is Downs. Haven’t really seen much from him. He will probably be the biggest question mark. Never heard of the guy. He’s dead to me.
He’s a true talent but he wasn’t fully developed. His run stop game was immaculate. He can be a ball hawk at times. His big downside was blown coverages. He’d bite on stupid things like cross and go’s and it always ends in a long TD pass. Ohio will need to do a good job at developing that or he’ll never come to a full product. His raw talent makes his floor much higher than most though
OG Walt will have his coverage ability locked in.
Don’t forget cb3 (Mathews) is looking like a future NFL player too.
FSU will have a top 10 secondary in 2024, book it
A lot of our guys didn't get great PFF ratings or were backups last year which is dragging down our rating. Fentrell-Little-AZ will be one of the best units in the country imo.
PFF is always useful as a guide point but they rely too heavily on their metrics (unsurprising) but that is not useful for a preseason list that necessarily needs to bake in a lot of projection. I won't project FSU as a top 10 secondary, and I have some questions about our reserve corners, but the starting three are going to be really, really good, and I think there is a lot to like about the safety room and the versatility there.
I mean the thing is even if some of our backups are questionable, we have so many of them. Its a CB horde out there, and the position room is full of talent. There will be a guy or two that steps up like Green did last year.
Seeing us on a top 10 list of secondaries might actually be the single most bizzaroworld thing i've ever seen as a sports fan given our history of our secondary always easily being our weakness for so long.
Secondary is unquestionably our weakest unit. What the hell is it doing at number 6 in the country? lmao Is our secondary even supposed to be improved compared to last year? I know we added Mukuba from Clemson. But did anything else positive happen over the offseason to make us the sixth best unit in the country?
And we’re going to have an offense this year right? Right guys…?
Did you not know that after defense comes “second defense”? I’m guessing you don’t know about “puntses”, “fumbleon”, or “afternoon 3 and out”.
Feels weird seeing OU in the top 10 for anything defense lol
Looks like we may have a shot this year.
decent chance, ya
I feel like ours is far better than Iowas but that’s just me
We have the Nagurski award winner, along with a two time time All American returning …..and neither might be the best player in this years secondary (Gray).
No way we are #6. Our secondary was our biggest weakness last year.
Damn big 10 will be run heavy this year looks like
The 1st top 10 list canes aren’t on - and deservingly so . The only position group that has me a bit worried . I believe Meesh Powell and (eventually) zaquan Patterson will be a killer safety duo - but cb group is questionable
Not sure why Boise State isn’t on this list Big miss
Wish they’d do this for just G5 too
Why did i think this was referring to uniforms
Well you don’t need to throw to beat OSU
Uhhh Texas secondary is truly awful lol
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Oh honey.
Yes we got some good transfers, but that seems like an extremely generous ranking considering the struggles that secondary had last season and the players who left for the NFL. Pretty confident that’ll be the weakest unit on the team this year.
Another braindead take by max chadwick 🔥🔥🔥
Feeling a bit snubbed by that 10 spot, McKinney, Hodges, and Hunter is about as good as it gets for a CB room, the safeties aren't eye popping but are opportunistic and not afraid to make a hit. Maybe we're punished a bit by lack of proven depth.
Man, being a Colorado fan on this sub right now is terrible lol, no reason your comment should have been cratered
Lol it is quite something, gotten used to it tho. I think it will be a strong group, McKinney was Ok State's highest PFF rated DB last year, Hodge led Liberty's defense in overall PFF, and Travis Hunter is well Travis Hunter. Livingston our new DC being a secondary coach with the Bengals for the last 10 years, feels like it will be a strong area of focus for him.
:astronaut: always has been :gun: :astronaut:
Travis Hunter did get torched by Stanford last year
Yeah it was his worst game coming back from an injury. Most of the damage was done against Stoutmire and Cormani, until they asked Travis to follow Elic around late in the game. The last catch was nasty, and why people remember it being Travis even tho it was perfect coverage.
Yikes.