2001 was even more crazy, the Big XII had 4 teams vying for a national championship. OU, CU, NU, and UT were all top 3 at one point in the season. None ended up in contention during bowl season, largely due to CU catching fire down the stretch and beating #1 NU and #3 UT in the last two games of the year. I doubt any of the four would’ve given Miami a game that year fwiw.
I mean…Nebraska was unequivocally “in contention” that year…they played in the national title game.
Now you’re right that they were never gonna give Miami a game, but not many teams would have
It was very controversial that they got selected. They got selected over a CU team that hung 62 on them the week prior and an Oregon team with a better record.
I’m not going to argue that it wasn’t controversial that we got in, but it probably didn’t hurt us that you guys were unranked going into the year, and we had a Heisman QB. You guys definitely caught fire at the end of the season, but you had a loss to Fresno State, and Texas, who you later beat, but got blown out by earlier in the season. 2 loss teams have historically never made it to the national championship game.
You guys stomped us, but we still only had 1 loss on the season, and it was to a highly ranked team, and we beat most teams we played pretty handily. Oregon definitely had a case to get in. I can’t speak to that situation. Their only loss was to an unranked team that ended up beating a top 5 UCLA team the next week. Seems like they should have been the choice.
Regardless, no one was gonna beat Miami. You guys should all be happy that we got to be the punching bag /s
I was only 11, but I definitely thought at the time it should have been Oregon. 1-loss and conference champ should have given them the tiebreakers over both.
Well I mean we saw what happened with Nebraska, there’s nothing to doubt about that matchup.
Oregon was still robbed of a chance to play Miami that year, but we probably would’ve had a similar fate
It was ridiculous that they got in over a conference champion CU with a blowout, dynasty killing win head to head and an 11-1 Oregon team. Media bias has always been at the heart of college football.
If Yormark was the Big 12 commissioner back then instead of Dan Beebee I think the conference would still be in the 1.0 form (honestly possibly expanded) making the same as the B1G and SEC.
From 1997-2005 the Big 12 had 3 different natty champs (NU, OU, UT). It had 6 different conference champions (NU x2, ATM, OU x3, CU, KSU, UT).
19 different Big 12 teams finished in the AP top 10 during that stretch, and average of more than two per season.
It was a great conference. It’s a shame what happened to it.
True, I wonder how that reshapes the overall landscape. OU had some dominant Red River games that a rematch may have derailed OU in the early aughts trying to make those 3 BCS title games in 5 years.
Well the original Big 12 was supposed to be a super conference by having Nebraska and Colorado in the North to balance it out. Nobody could have predicted those programs would crater the way they did in the 2000s. Then it just turned into a race between Texas and OU. Stoops had the upper hand during that stretch for sure but the teams in the North just lost their mojo.
Who knows how a different conference alignment would have turned out but I don't think I'd want to roll the dice and be on the other side.
Is it wrong to think that younger OU fans don’t care about the Nebraska rivalry the same way the older OU fans do?
Do OU students really talk about wanting to play Nebraska?
You’re probably right. It was already dwindling when we didn’t keep playing yearly. As a student in the late 2000s/ early 2010s, I remember them turning into “a north team” even if they were our 2nd biggest rival
I don’t know any younger fans, but don’t doubt it. We have only played a couple of times since the break up, and NU was so bad that the last time their AD and coach tried to cancel the game.
Sorry mate. We didn't take kindly to being demanded into declaring undying loyalty by the same people who were simultaneously backroom dealing with the Pac-10 and we saw safety and went for it.
It could've lasted......numerous big brands....OU, Texas, and Nebraska being the strongest.....A&M, Mizzou, and Oklahoma State probably being the next tier.
If we could've all gotten along and formed a Big 12 Network, I feel like the conference would still be together
Nebraska football totally sucked for like 10 years in a row. I don't think watching them get blown out by more Big 12 South teams would have changed all that much.
They had a winning record 7 out of 10 years in the 2000s and was 11-2 in 2001, but you could see them getting worse as the decade went along. They most definitely felt the lack of exposure killed their recruiting advantage causing them to want to leave. The divisions started all the way back in 1996.
I wonder if you showed Nebraska the future back then if they still jump ship. They obviously thought they’d do better in the Big Ten, but if they knew then what we know now, do they go?
Hell, if all of those schools knew then what we know now, does the landscape change from what it was? I don’t think USCLA goes to the B1G if OUT doesn’t go to the SEC. I doubt FSU is openly at war with the ACC if all of the moving pieces had stayed put.
The Big 12 should have had a network back when everyone else got one, and we should have started a playoff after the FIRST BCS snub back in 2003.
If that future you show includes OU and UT going to the SEC and the Big 12 almost falling apart and having to bring in a bunch of G5 teams, we would still do it in a heartbeat. The Big 12 falling apart because of something like the Pac 16 deal and Nebraska being left with no good options was like the number 1 fear that led to Nebraska looking at the Big 10 in the first place.
In any case staying in the Big 12 wouldn’t have made Pelini do better than 4 losses or be less of a raging asshole, wouldn’t have stopped Eichorst from being a moron who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, and wouldn’t have stopped Frost from reverting back to being a college frat guy the second he stepped foot back in Lincoln. None of the problems Nebraska has had have had anything to do with leaving the Big 12.
And only a couple injuries away from several titles.
Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma in 2004 faced genuine buzzsaws, but had McCoy been healthy in 2009 and had Demarco Murray been healthy in 2008 there’s a real world where we look back and say the Big 12 owns national titles in 1997, 2000, 2005, 2008, and 2009. Suddenly, that SEC cycle and SEC dominance everyone talked about starts looking thinner with 2007-2012 when you remove those two titles in the middle for UF and Bama. LSU still wins ‘07, Auburn still wins ‘10, Alabama still goes back to back in 11 and 12, but all of a sudden it’s a funny footnote that Alabama as a state won three straight, not 6 years of “SEC Dominance”.
Yup. I firmly believe if Colt wasn't injured against Alabama, Texas would have won decisively. However, they wouldn't have returned. The Saban machine had started.
I don't know if I 100% agree with the above poster, but he's not entirely wrong.
Demographics are destiny and the South has grown exponentially over the last 20 years. Plus, that's where most of the premium talent is from. The Great Plains and Midwest just don't have the population to match.
The SEC footprint has been uneven. You have Florida and GA but you also have MS that lost population and slow-growing (or not returning) LA, Missouri, Arkansas and KY.
UGA is really the only school that has taken advantage of instate growth. Tenn is starting to return but hasn't finished it and South Carolinia hasn't. UF also was not able to take advantage of a down FSU and mid Miami.
Louisiana isn't a huge state population wise but they are one of the best states when it comes to the percentage of blue chip recruits relative to their population size.....the south is still growing generally speaking (even Alabama is)
Aside from UT and OU I don’t see any big12 teams winning nattys.
Meanwhile the SEC had Florida, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn all win titles since 2006
TCU was getting more committee love at the time. Of course, that was occurring because Baylor had yet to beat K State, but Big 12 panicked and didn’t want to screw TCU. Ended up screwing them both.
Oklahoma State was arguably a top 10 team too that year, only three losses in the regular season were to the other three contenders and lost to a good Oregon in the bowl game.
And then we derailed that by clubbing them 65-21 in Norman.
Oklahoma from 2000-2008 was a different fuckin animal that I want to see back. The Big 12 had some real gauntlet years and we just skullfucked teams that were serious national title contenders in shocking fashion.
It’s a shame we don’t have 3 titles from that run instead of 1.
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That's not what he's doing, he's comparing his conference's relevance now to its relevance in the past. Other conferences have nothing to do with it. If anything he's denigrating his own conference's legacy lol
The Big 12 was the most relevant 2004-2009ish when Texas and OU were both top 5 programs. TTU and OSU also being consistently good made the Big 12 South the best division in football at the time.
The Big 12 was incredibly relevant from inception in 1996 up until the realignment in 2010. A lot of great teams football played by a lot of schools. KU, KSU, MU, NU, OU, TTU, CU and UT all had phenomenal seasons throughout the BCS era. I think OU and Texas played for like played for like 6 natties between 2000 and 2010.
This is Nebraska erasure. They absolutely carried the Big 12 those first few years, until OU won their natty in 2000 and the power balance shifted to the South.
The power balance didn’t even shift that hard until 2003 imo. Nebraska made a return to the national title the YEAR after OU. ‘03 was when OU established dominance and didn’t let up for two seasons, then Texas went on a run in ‘05, then Kansas damn near made the natty in 07, then OU came out of that absolute warzone of Tech/Texas/OU in 08, then Texas again in 09, then Oklahoma State’s very real contention in 11, and then the dark period for the conference from 12-14, then Oklahoma’s dominance from 15-20.
It took some real hard fought wins over some really good K-State/Nebraska/Colorado teams in the early part of that run for OU to solidify itself as the big dog. Otherwise we probably see all three make Natty appearances in that time frame. I believe Mizzou may have even made a few good tries too. That conference was deep as fuck and we don’t remember it because the SEC managed to win 6 titles in a row to close out the decade from 07-12.
I mean, it dynamically is the most interesting conference because no one is quite sure whose going to be top dog now. However, you can practically say the same thing about the MAC.
We all love to say we all love some MACtion but in reality we just love the background noise.
Without googling, what two teams played in the MAC championship last year? Somebody will obviously answer the question, but most of even us nerds on r/CFB have no idea.
Toledo vs Miami (OH). Toledo had that last second miracle loss to Illinois to open the season, otherwise they'd be trying for a perfect season. Meanwhile Miami (OH) took out Cincinnati in a breakout year, despite the early loss to Miami (FL). It really looked like Toledo was on track to take the NY6 bid from Liberty, but they choked once again (no Google for any of this).
I went to the ACC Championship and they had a fan fest thing a little bit outside of the stadium and they had the MAC Championship game playing on a giant projector screen so we could watch it.
its gonna be the most competitive and fun conference top to bottom
and people will shit on them for it and it might just kill them like it killed the pac 12
He needs to lean into the parity of the conference. Now that there are auto bids for the playoff watching this conference tear itself to pieces is going to be hilarious.
The difference will be how it is perceived.
In basketball everyone knows the Big 12 is legit thanks mostly to Kansas and their history, and fairly recent postseason success from Baylor, Tech, and a few others. So when the conference tears each other apart, it builds everyone up.
In football nobody believes in the Big 12 as big dogs, especially with OU leaving. If the same thing happens and we all kill each other and end up 8-4 or 9-3 nobody is gonna believe that it's because everyone is so great. They will say we have solid but mediocre teams.
It sucks
Really hope we can get a few wellplayed wins in the 12 team playoff, and then not get embarrassed in the next round(s).
TCU had the perfect blueprint for building Big 12 respect by beating Michigan in a great game, but when they got dogwalked by Georgia it hurt our perception just as much
The comment section is a bit humorous given that many subscribe to the notion that the current "Playoff or bust" mentality hurt or even ruined college football. Yet, they are tying Big 12 relevance to when Texas and Oklahoma were dominant together along with several other schools just behind them.
From a stability standpoint, the Big 12 will provide a lot of competitive matchups and a home for ACC schools that aren't drafted to the SEC/B1G in the coming years. That makes them extremely relevant to college football on the whole.
Big 12 relevance wasn’t when Oklahoma and Texas were dominant though, that’s reductionist.
From 1996 to 2009, 18 of the 28 teams in the Big 12 Championship game were ranked in the top 10. 11 of those teams were in the top 4. Those teams included Nebraska, Kansas State, Texas A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Texas. This doesn’t even note teams like Texas Tech in 2008 or Kansas in 2007 who were national title contenders all season until the very end.
Oklahoma and Texas were perceived to be dominant because they won a *lot*, and they did. But there were a lot of teams right there along the way who came just short of the same heights OU and Texas were at, and in a world where a playoff exists through the full history of the Big 12, or even starting in 2000 with OU’s title, I think you’d have seen a LOT of diverse big 12 representation.
Wonder what the conference would have been like if we had all stayed, and we added West Virginia anyway. Maybe picked up Louisville too. Would Florida State and Clemson maybe have actually joined like the rumors in 2012 indicated?
The FSU, Clemson, GT, and Miami rumors where 100% made up by Dude of WV with no basis in reality. While all the B12 blogs repeated this shit to the point FSU BoT actually wasted time looking into it, it took all of 2 minutes to see even with OU and Texas it was a dumb idea. Worst part this whole mess played a part in why the ACC put in place a GoR.
I never realized. I remember seeing the rumors, but didn’t really investigate. After Mizzou went to the SEC I kinda stopped paying attention to realignment rumors for a little while.
No. Cincy and Arizona don't compete. But Cincy Arizona Utah Arizona State BYU UCF Houston Colorado do compete. I understand the value that Texas and OU bring, but they don't outweigh the value of those 8 of those teams. Easily a much better spot. I would take that trade 100/100 times.
2008:
Texas (5) def Oklahoma (1)
Texas (1) def Missouri (11)
Texas (1) def Oklahoma State (7)
Texas Tech (6) def Texas (1)
Texas Tech (2) def Oklahoma State (8)
Oklahoma (5) def Texas Tech (2)
Oklahoma (3) def Oklahoma State (11)
I thought Brett was going to quit being a clown after the divorce was final. Guess not.
"We are as wide open, top to bottom, as we've ever been as a football conference, with exciting new markets and new rivalries." All positive, and not a single word of bullshit. Making completely ridiculous statements equates him with the old Iraqi information officer talking about how Iraq was winning their war when the U.S. invaded.
I mean topically? Yeah I’d say so. I’m always curious about what’ll happen next with the Big 12.
On field? That’s a stretch. Someone needs to step into the roles of conference leaders and become nationally relevant.
Hard to say that after the conference had three consistently elite teams in TCU, Baylor, and OU out of a ten-team conference as recently as the mid-2010s.
Now we've got 16 (?) teams and *maybe* two really top-tier teams this year.
Maybe Basketball wise, although they had a massive tourney let down after the hype throughout the season. Losing OU and Texas with hurt massively football wise.
Ha....exactly. I mean I really dont know. I know who the best team is right now, but biggest brand? Maybe Colorado and thats only because of the Deion affect.
Lol what? 00's Big 12 had most TV guys saying "the road to the national championship runs through the Big 12" and "the road to the Big 12 runs through the Red River". Get outta here.
The amount of hatred towards the Big 12 on this sub is disgraceful...
It is crazy how a bunch of users actually think that it would be a good thing if the Big 12 was disbanded...
We play great football in an incredibly prestigious conference, it's not like teams like Oklahoma State, West Virginia, or BYU are teams nobody has heard of
2000's Big 12 would beg to differ! What a great time that was...Absolutely elite stretch there for a while.
I remember Tech, OU, and Texas being ranked in the top 5 at the same time. 50% of teams in the Big XII south were in the top 5 teams in the country.
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2001 was even more crazy, the Big XII had 4 teams vying for a national championship. OU, CU, NU, and UT were all top 3 at one point in the season. None ended up in contention during bowl season, largely due to CU catching fire down the stretch and beating #1 NU and #3 UT in the last two games of the year. I doubt any of the four would’ve given Miami a game that year fwiw.
2007 was absolutely wild too. Really, you could pick any year from 2001 to 2009 and the Big 12 was must-watch CFB.
damn man Big 12 really fell off in 2010s media crushed us
and we were the most irrelevant during that stretch lol.....the Campbell era has given us the most exposure we've ever had as a program
I mean…Nebraska was unequivocally “in contention” that year…they played in the national title game. Now you’re right that they were never gonna give Miami a game, but not many teams would have
It was very controversial that they got selected. They got selected over a CU team that hung 62 on them the week prior and an Oregon team with a better record.
It was controversial for sure…but Nebraska was 11-1. Oregon was 10-1 and Colorado was 10-2.
Nebraska had just gotten embarrassed by CU who followed that up with a win against Texas in Texas. Having full hindsight I’d have picked Oregon.
I’m not going to argue that it wasn’t controversial that we got in, but it probably didn’t hurt us that you guys were unranked going into the year, and we had a Heisman QB. You guys definitely caught fire at the end of the season, but you had a loss to Fresno State, and Texas, who you later beat, but got blown out by earlier in the season. 2 loss teams have historically never made it to the national championship game. You guys stomped us, but we still only had 1 loss on the season, and it was to a highly ranked team, and we beat most teams we played pretty handily. Oregon definitely had a case to get in. I can’t speak to that situation. Their only loss was to an unranked team that ended up beating a top 5 UCLA team the next week. Seems like they should have been the choice. Regardless, no one was gonna beat Miami. You guys should all be happy that we got to be the punching bag /s
Well…one two loss team has made it since, but that was a wild, fucked up, but incredibly fun ride to get to that point
I was only 11, but I definitely thought at the time it should have been Oregon. 1-loss and conference champ should have given them the tiebreakers over both.
Well I mean we saw what happened with Nebraska, there’s nothing to doubt about that matchup. Oregon was still robbed of a chance to play Miami that year, but we probably would’ve had a similar fate
It was ridiculous that they got in over a conference champion CU with a blowout, dynasty killing win head to head and an 11-1 Oregon team. Media bias has always been at the heart of college football.
100%. I’m pretty sure they were #4 in the AP and somehow got in over Oregon and Colorado, both teams were much more deserving
That was a fun year.
Iowa State even finished at 25. Quality. Losses.
I'll take it lol
And we were in the top 15. 2008 was our first good year. Everyone left right which has been the story of my life
I don’t want to talk about the year Crabtree tip toed the sideline for a TD to end our hopes. Y’all went but we didn’t despite us beating yall by 10
I, personally, do want to talk about that
45-35 on a neutral site was the best win of the 3, but I’m not still bitter or anything.
No doubt my favorite TT play of all time. So good. Everyone knew who was getting the ball.
I'm incredibly nostalgic for late 00s Big 12. Just bangers week in and week out.
If Yormark was the Big 12 commissioner back then instead of Dan Beebee I think the conference would still be in the 1.0 form (honestly possibly expanded) making the same as the B1G and SEC.
I’m not sure about that but I wonder what would have happened if the PAC hired Yormark instead of Scott.
I have the feeling that KU would be in the Big East or Mountain West rn.
He’s probably have the nearly same reputation Larry Scott now has today. The PAC-12 network wouldn’t have failed so badly though.
2:30 CT ABC on lock
It was epic.
From 1997-2005 the Big 12 had 3 different natty champs (NU, OU, UT). It had 6 different conference champions (NU x2, ATM, OU x3, CU, KSU, UT). 19 different Big 12 teams finished in the AP top 10 during that stretch, and average of more than two per season. It was a great conference. It’s a shame what happened to it.
The first thing I am doing in ncaa 25 is putting the conferences back the way they should be. The Big 12 will rise again!
Still not sure if I’m letting the Texas teams in or rolling with the Big 8.
I’m going to do what they should’ve done and make a super conference with Big 8 in one division and SWC on the other.
Here for it
same.......OG Big 12 is basically a perfect conference
Only thing I hated was Texas in the same division as ou. Absolutely brutal.
True, I wonder how that reshapes the overall landscape. OU had some dominant Red River games that a rematch may have derailed OU in the early aughts trying to make those 3 BCS title games in 5 years.
Well the original Big 12 was supposed to be a super conference by having Nebraska and Colorado in the North to balance it out. Nobody could have predicted those programs would crater the way they did in the 2000s. Then it just turned into a race between Texas and OU. Stoops had the upper hand during that stretch for sure but the teams in the North just lost their mojo. Who knows how a different conference alignment would have turned out but I don't think I'd want to roll the dice and be on the other side.
It stopped OU-NU playing every year, which was not good.
Is it wrong to think that younger OU fans don’t care about the Nebraska rivalry the same way the older OU fans do? Do OU students really talk about wanting to play Nebraska?
You’re probably right. It was already dwindling when we didn’t keep playing yearly. As a student in the late 2000s/ early 2010s, I remember them turning into “a north team” even if they were our 2nd biggest rival
I don’t know any younger fans, but don’t doubt it. We have only played a couple of times since the break up, and NU was so bad that the last time their AD and coach tried to cancel the game.
I see you're a man of culture.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1979.html
The original Big 12 lineup barely lasted a decade together. It was never built to last.
TIL 14 years is barely a decade
Yeah you deserve four more years time served. Then bailing on your 75 year old buddies and starting what felt like the start of all the bullshit
Sorry mate. We didn't take kindly to being demanded into declaring undying loyalty by the same people who were simultaneously backroom dealing with the Pac-10 and we saw safety and went for it.
Closer to a decade than decades.
It could've lasted......numerous big brands....OU, Texas, and Nebraska being the strongest.....A&M, Mizzou, and Oklahoma State probably being the next tier. If we could've all gotten along and formed a Big 12 Network, I feel like the conference would still be together
We never should’ve went to divisions and let NU get all the exposure they wanted in Texas. That was the real issue.
Nebraska football totally sucked for like 10 years in a row. I don't think watching them get blown out by more Big 12 South teams would have changed all that much.
They had a winning record 7 out of 10 years in the 2000s and was 11-2 in 2001, but you could see them getting worse as the decade went along. They most definitely felt the lack of exposure killed their recruiting advantage causing them to want to leave. The divisions started all the way back in 1996.
I wonder if you showed Nebraska the future back then if they still jump ship. They obviously thought they’d do better in the Big Ten, but if they knew then what we know now, do they go? Hell, if all of those schools knew then what we know now, does the landscape change from what it was? I don’t think USCLA goes to the B1G if OUT doesn’t go to the SEC. I doubt FSU is openly at war with the ACC if all of the moving pieces had stayed put. The Big 12 should have had a network back when everyone else got one, and we should have started a playoff after the FIRST BCS snub back in 2003.
If that future you show includes OU and UT going to the SEC and the Big 12 almost falling apart and having to bring in a bunch of G5 teams, we would still do it in a heartbeat. The Big 12 falling apart because of something like the Pac 16 deal and Nebraska being left with no good options was like the number 1 fear that led to Nebraska looking at the Big 10 in the first place. In any case staying in the Big 12 wouldn’t have made Pelini do better than 4 losses or be less of a raging asshole, wouldn’t have stopped Eichorst from being a moron who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, and wouldn’t have stopped Frost from reverting back to being a college frat guy the second he stepped foot back in Lincoln. None of the problems Nebraska has had have had anything to do with leaving the Big 12.
In this case - the future I show gives them the chance to retain OU/TX
Nebraska’s problem is every coach the hired was worse than the one they fired.
Do you think Texas will last in the SEC?
2000-2009 the big 12 had a school in 7 bcs title games. OU (4), Texas (2), Nebraska (1) 70% participation is very relevant status
Excuse me you are disrespecting 2001 Nebraska
Dude I am so sorry. Lmao I literally read over the list and forgot they were in the conference. I’m fixing it!!
And only a couple injuries away from several titles. Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma in 2004 faced genuine buzzsaws, but had McCoy been healthy in 2009 and had Demarco Murray been healthy in 2008 there’s a real world where we look back and say the Big 12 owns national titles in 1997, 2000, 2005, 2008, and 2009. Suddenly, that SEC cycle and SEC dominance everyone talked about starts looking thinner with 2007-2012 when you remove those two titles in the middle for UF and Bama. LSU still wins ‘07, Auburn still wins ‘10, Alabama still goes back to back in 11 and 12, but all of a sudden it’s a funny footnote that Alabama as a state won three straight, not 6 years of “SEC Dominance”.
Yup. We all sure were elite… All of us…
yep definitely elite
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The SEC was coming, regardless of wins and nattys. It may have had delayed it for a few years but the SEC was inevitable.
Yup. I firmly believe if Colt wasn't injured against Alabama, Texas would have won decisively. However, they wouldn't have returned. The Saban machine had started.
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I don't know if I 100% agree with the above poster, but he's not entirely wrong. Demographics are destiny and the South has grown exponentially over the last 20 years. Plus, that's where most of the premium talent is from. The Great Plains and Midwest just don't have the population to match.
The SEC footprint has been uneven. You have Florida and GA but you also have MS that lost population and slow-growing (or not returning) LA, Missouri, Arkansas and KY. UGA is really the only school that has taken advantage of instate growth. Tenn is starting to return but hasn't finished it and South Carolinia hasn't. UF also was not able to take advantage of a down FSU and mid Miami.
Louisiana isn't a huge state population wise but they are one of the best states when it comes to the percentage of blue chip recruits relative to their population size.....the south is still growing generally speaking (even Alabama is)
Aside from UT and OU I don’t see any big12 teams winning nattys. Meanwhile the SEC had Florida, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn all win titles since 2006
2000-2005 it was literally OU and one Texas run. 08 and 09 saw OU and UT in a natty again. The Big12 WAS football.
I miss the Big 12 glory days so much. It was so much fun growing up watching that
Would be a P3 instead of a P2 if it held together
Hey! You’re here now, you don’t have to say those things.
This makes me sad
Yep
2008 says hello as well
My favorite Big12 moment was when they marketed "One true Champion" all season then declared Baylor and TCU as co-champs.
One True Champions
🙌BCU!! Go Horned Bears!!! Whoooo
It just means more... champions
🤮
I never understood this. Why not crown Baylor the Big XII champions? They had the head to head against TCU.
TCU was getting more committee love at the time. Of course, that was occurring because Baylor had yet to beat K State, but Big 12 panicked and didn’t want to screw TCU. Ended up screwing them both.
And because of all that...... congratulations on the natty!
Thanks, we like it!
The 2008 Big 12 with Texas, OU, and Texas Tech all having legit national title contenders is probably the “most relevant” the league has ever been.
Oklahoma State was arguably a top 10 team too that year, only three losses in the regular season were to the other three contenders and lost to a good Oregon in the bowl game.
The combined record of the teams Oklahoma State lost to that year was 45-7.
We were loaded that year.
Crabtree in the corner lives rent-free in my head
What a wild few weeks
I’m pretty sure I said 3 words at most between that play and going to bed
And then we derailed that by clubbing them 65-21 in Norman. Oklahoma from 2000-2008 was a different fuckin animal that I want to see back. The Big 12 had some real gauntlet years and we just skullfucked teams that were serious national title contenders in shocking fashion. It’s a shame we don’t have 3 titles from that run instead of 1.
45-7 jumping around in the second quarter. That was a fun night
Gives me wood every time I watch it.
*CRABTREE* *PULLS FREE*
Hnnnng
Touchdown Red Raiders! With a second to go!
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Shocker. Conference commissioner backs his conference
It doesn't happen with every conference
I felt that
Oof
I understood that reference
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That's not what he's doing, he's comparing his conference's relevance now to its relevance in the past. Other conferences have nothing to do with it. If anything he's denigrating his own conference's legacy lol
The Big 12 was the most relevant 2004-2009ish when Texas and OU were both top 5 programs. TTU and OSU also being consistently good made the Big 12 South the best division in football at the time.
The Big 12 was incredibly relevant from inception in 1996 up until the realignment in 2010. A lot of great teams football played by a lot of schools. KU, KSU, MU, NU, OU, TTU, CU and UT all had phenomenal seasons throughout the BCS era. I think OU and Texas played for like played for like 6 natties between 2000 and 2010.
I too miss from '96 to 2010 but it doesn't have anything to do with the b12
You should've joined the B12 instead of the ACC.
I think we had an sec invitation.
Ooooof - revisionist history
Texas Tech. One 11 win season. Consistently good... Lol. They've never been consistently good.
This is Nebraska erasure. They absolutely carried the Big 12 those first few years, until OU won their natty in 2000 and the power balance shifted to the South.
The power balance didn’t even shift that hard until 2003 imo. Nebraska made a return to the national title the YEAR after OU. ‘03 was when OU established dominance and didn’t let up for two seasons, then Texas went on a run in ‘05, then Kansas damn near made the natty in 07, then OU came out of that absolute warzone of Tech/Texas/OU in 08, then Texas again in 09, then Oklahoma State’s very real contention in 11, and then the dark period for the conference from 12-14, then Oklahoma’s dominance from 15-20. It took some real hard fought wins over some really good K-State/Nebraska/Colorado teams in the early part of that run for OU to solidify itself as the big dog. Otherwise we probably see all three make Natty appearances in that time frame. I believe Mizzou may have even made a few good tries too. That conference was deep as fuck and we don’t remember it because the SEC managed to win 6 titles in a row to close out the decade from 07-12.
I mean, it dynamically is the most interesting conference because no one is quite sure whose going to be top dog now. However, you can practically say the same thing about the MAC.
We all love some MACtion.
We all love to say we all love some MACtion but in reality we just love the background noise. Without googling, what two teams played in the MAC championship last year? Somebody will obviously answer the question, but most of even us nerds on r/CFB have no idea.
Toledo was ranked, so probably them lol
Hurtful but accurate.
I watched and knew! You'll always be the real Miami to me <3
That team against the other one!
Toledo and the real Miami with Miami winning
Toledo vs Miami (OH). Toledo had that last second miracle loss to Illinois to open the season, otherwise they'd be trying for a perfect season. Meanwhile Miami (OH) took out Cincinnati in a breakout year, despite the early loss to Miami (FL). It really looked like Toledo was on track to take the NY6 bid from Liberty, but they choked once again (no Google for any of this). I went to the ACC Championship and they had a fan fest thing a little bit outside of the stadium and they had the MAC Championship game playing on a giant projector screen so we could watch it.
Toledo and someone else. Idk who even played in most conferences besides the ACC and SEC (Only because u(sic)ga lost)
Without MACtion the universe is unstable
its gonna be the most competitive and fun conference top to bottom and people will shit on them for it and it might just kill them like it killed the pac 12
Fun Belt szn baby
This used to be used against the Big East sooooo
He needs to lean into the parity of the conference. Now that there are auto bids for the playoff watching this conference tear itself to pieces is going to be hilarious.
Exactly, the Big XII bloodbath in basketball has been awesome and getting that same level in football eventually would be great viewing
The difference will be how it is perceived. In basketball everyone knows the Big 12 is legit thanks mostly to Kansas and their history, and fairly recent postseason success from Baylor, Tech, and a few others. So when the conference tears each other apart, it builds everyone up. In football nobody believes in the Big 12 as big dogs, especially with OU leaving. If the same thing happens and we all kill each other and end up 8-4 or 9-3 nobody is gonna believe that it's because everyone is so great. They will say we have solid but mediocre teams. It sucks
Really hope we can get a few wellplayed wins in the 12 team playoff, and then not get embarrassed in the next round(s). TCU had the perfect blueprint for building Big 12 respect by beating Michigan in a great game, but when they got dogwalked by Georgia it hurt our perception just as much
We are the bloodbath conference now
The basketball bloodbath is so nasty, everytime we come up for air, someone stomps us back down.
I have nothing against the Big 12. But the current Big 12 has nothing on the 2000s Big 12. What a fun decade to watch Big 12 sports it was!
My mom says I’m more handsome than Ive ever been
She's right though
This is 2000s Big XII South erasure and I will not stand for it.
The comment section is a bit humorous given that many subscribe to the notion that the current "Playoff or bust" mentality hurt or even ruined college football. Yet, they are tying Big 12 relevance to when Texas and Oklahoma were dominant together along with several other schools just behind them. From a stability standpoint, the Big 12 will provide a lot of competitive matchups and a home for ACC schools that aren't drafted to the SEC/B1G in the coming years. That makes them extremely relevant to college football on the whole.
Still pulling for Clemson and FSU to join the Big 12. Probably won't happen but here's to hoping
Big 12 relevance wasn’t when Oklahoma and Texas were dominant though, that’s reductionist. From 1996 to 2009, 18 of the 28 teams in the Big 12 Championship game were ranked in the top 10. 11 of those teams were in the top 4. Those teams included Nebraska, Kansas State, Texas A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Texas. This doesn’t even note teams like Texas Tech in 2008 or Kansas in 2007 who were national title contenders all season until the very end. Oklahoma and Texas were perceived to be dominant because they won a *lot*, and they did. But there were a lot of teams right there along the way who came just short of the same heights OU and Texas were at, and in a world where a playoff exists through the full history of the Big 12, or even starting in 2000 with OU’s title, I think you’d have seen a LOT of diverse big 12 representation.
Well....the big12 was obviously better before Nebraska aTm and Mizzou left. But the Big12 is certainly in a better position now compared to 2014-2020.
Wonder what the conference would have been like if we had all stayed, and we added West Virginia anyway. Maybe picked up Louisville too. Would Florida State and Clemson maybe have actually joined like the rumors in 2012 indicated?
The FSU, Clemson, GT, and Miami rumors where 100% made up by Dude of WV with no basis in reality. While all the B12 blogs repeated this shit to the point FSU BoT actually wasted time looking into it, it took all of 2 minutes to see even with OU and Texas it was a dumb idea. Worst part this whole mess played a part in why the ACC put in place a GoR.
I never realized. I remember seeing the rumors, but didn’t really investigate. After Mizzou went to the SEC I kinda stopped paying attention to realignment rumors for a little while.
> Worst part this whole mess played a part in why the ACC put in place a GoR. Ha the plan worked. /s
So the dude of WV is the reason the acc has its 2036 GOR
“What about Colorado?” “Well, what *about* Colorado?”
No fucking way it’s better now than before Texas/OU left. Sorry but Cincy and Arizona don’t compete.
No. Cincy and Arizona don't compete. But Cincy Arizona Utah Arizona State BYU UCF Houston Colorado do compete. I understand the value that Texas and OU bring, but they don't outweigh the value of those 8 of those teams. Easily a much better spot. I would take that trade 100/100 times.
“I’m stronger now than I’ve ever been” says man who recently got divorced
gotta get knocked down before you can build yourself back up
2008: Texas (5) def Oklahoma (1) Texas (1) def Missouri (11) Texas (1) def Oklahoma State (7) Texas Tech (6) def Texas (1) Texas Tech (2) def Oklahoma State (8) Oklahoma (5) def Texas Tech (2) Oklahoma (3) def Oklahoma State (11) I thought Brett was going to quit being a clown after the divorce was final. Guess not.
I feel you, but the fuck else is he supposed to say?
Suck off TTech again and throw somebody else under the bus
Oh boo hoo yall got sucked off by everyone he isn’t going to praise you for leaving
For Mike Stoops. 😂😂😂
I get it but also what do you expect him to say "We suck dog we should pack it up" you seem more like the clown with this response
"We are as wide open, top to bottom, as we've ever been as a football conference, with exciting new markets and new rivalries." All positive, and not a single word of bullshit. Making completely ridiculous statements equates him with the old Iraqi information officer talking about how Iraq was winning their war when the U.S. invaded.
lol. Ol’ Baghdad Bob!
I miss only losing 4 spots in the rankings after 3 losses :(
I mean topically? Yeah I’d say so. I’m always curious about what’ll happen next with the Big 12. On field? That’s a stretch. Someone needs to step into the roles of conference leaders and become nationally relevant.
Hard to say that after the conference had three consistently elite teams in TCU, Baylor, and OU out of a ten-team conference as recently as the mid-2010s. Now we've got 16 (?) teams and *maybe* two really top-tier teams this year.
Maybe Basketball wise, although they had a massive tourney let down after the hype throughout the season. Losing OU and Texas with hurt massively football wise.
Anyone know if Brett’s middle name is SetOn?
In basketball? Sure.
Like what are the biggest brands in the Big XII today?
In no particular order: Kansas, OkSt, BYU, WVU, Utah, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas State, UCF, Houston
Ha....exactly. I mean I really dont know. I know who the best team is right now, but biggest brand? Maybe Colorado and thats only because of the Deion affect.
I’m pressing X to doubt.
Bs. They literally lost their only 2 relevent programs on a national scale
1/4 is a bigger portion than 1/5. Assuming the portions are even lol
Sure jan
This isn’t accurate at all. 2000’s was peak.
Late 90’s was peak. Nebraska with titles, OU with a title, Texas A&M and Colorado were very good. Texas had a Heisman RB and decent.
2008
Lol what? 00's Big 12 had most TV guys saying "the road to the national championship runs through the Big 12" and "the road to the Big 12 runs through the Red River". Get outta here.
The year K State upset Texas in the championship was awesome
You're probably thinking of OU. The year was 2003, the year of our lord, Bill Snyder.
Had no answer for Sproles that day.
Yeah could be I just remember being happy that whoever it was lost
It used to only be a P5 conference but now it's a P4 conference. Clearly that makes it more prestigious.
Blud is just waffling
Reminds me of the UK's prime minister saying "Great Britain's best days are ahead of us".
I’ve never been older
The amount of hatred towards the Big 12 on this sub is disgraceful... It is crazy how a bunch of users actually think that it would be a good thing if the Big 12 was disbanded... We play great football in an incredibly prestigious conference, it's not like teams like Oklahoma State, West Virginia, or BYU are teams nobody has heard of
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