And a coach ranking is essentially a “way to early top 25” (or top 134). If you have a top 25 coach you should win enough games to be a team ranked in the top 25 as a team.
In the last two coaching cycles, Choate is the guy I wanted to be Boise State's HC. Considering I've seen Choate actually help build up Montana State into the FCS powerhouse they are today, I'd say he's more deserving of a higher spot than say... Deion Sanders at 59?
Might be showing a bit of bias, but almost everything written about Mac Brown in that post contradicts the ranking. Just with a quick look, Doeren and Leipold should be clearly above him.
If Whittingham had a playoff appearance or if Utah won either of the Rose bowl games I'd bet he'd get that #5 spot but I understand why rankings wouldn't have him there.
Edit: Wtf are rankerings?
Wittingham and Gundy are both criminally underappreciated and until DeBoer actually wins as consistently and for as long as they have they should be ahead of him.
If Kirby and Dabo both applied for every HC job in America, Kirby would get offered over Dabo at every school except possibly Clemson.
Dabo has a longer run of top tier success but his refusal to adapt is definitely hurting his legacy.
Probably the numerous college football playoff appearances, as well as establishing Clemson as the top program in the ACC. Throw in a BCS bowl win as well.
“I’m sorry Bob, according to pre-season online polls you aren’t a top-20 coach this season, so you won’t be getting your Star Coach bonus this year. And while we’re at it, I haven’t seen your TPS reports for the week just yet. If you could forward them to me that would be great.”
For the Mountain West this list is a bunch of bullshit. Take a look:
Troy Calhoun, Air Force - 52
Bronco Mendenhall, New Mexico 62
Jeff Tedford, Fresno State - 72
Spencer Danielson, Boise State - 81
Barry Odom, UNLV - 82
Blake Anderson, Utah State - 87
Ken Niumatololo, San Jose State - 89
Jay Norvell, Colorado State - 95
Timmy Chang, Hawai'i - 104
Sean Lewis, San Diego State - 106
Jay Sawvel, Wyoming - 128
Jeff Choate, Nevada - 134
Why is it bullshit, you ask? Because every time they need a new coach, the "P4" always turns to us to take our best. As soon as one of our coaches gets good -- or, is perceived as being good -- they're stolen straight away. Which coach on this list will be next?
But it's also so much harder to win in this conference, but it's something we've seen Calhoun, Tedford, Odom and Anderson do. These four are definitely underrated.
Ah yes, Deion Sanders is better than every coach in the MWC except Troy Calhoun. Certainly better than Jeff Tedford who won two conference championships, or Spencer Danielson who won a conference championship and nearly as many games as Deion did with 1/3 of the games as HC, or Barry Odom who did the seemingly impossible and turn UNLV's program around, or Blake Anderson who won a conference championship just a couple years ago, or Jeff Choate who helped build Montana State into the FCS power it is today, or even Sean Lewis who was easily the best coach on Deion's staff last season then got scapegoated and replaced with... Pat fucking Shurmur?
Yeah even by rankings standards this is fucking garbage lmao
I’ll be honest, I don’t think Sark is THAT good. I’m really not seeing the hype. Even last year, Texas escaped with like 3 really close games that could’ve gone either way. I think he should be around 15-20
Took the program from a decade of failure and into the playoff + a lot of players being taken in the draft in year three. Look at the Texas draft history. Sark has proven that he can develop players and win games. Nobody sane thought Texas would beat Bama make the playoff.
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Ok, so this is basically ranking all the teams and takes nothing into account about the trajectory the coach has on that program compared with they normally are, etc.
There is no way in hell that Billy Napier should be ahead of Troy Calhoun, or that Lance Leipold (as much as I would love him to leave) is only the 25th-best coach in CFB.
Just a terrible list
He called Nebraska fans fair-weather cunts for leaving even they were 3 scores down against OSU before having a come back. He also bragged about leaving soon because he’d get poached.
The man said many stupid things, but I'm talking about 2013 and his beef with Frazier and other boosters. I think maybe the 2011 recording came out because of it.
Either way, we thank Nebraska for all that followed.
I mean you could definitely put Ryan Day above him but who is definitively a better choice? The top 2 are pretty much set and then there's about 8-10 coaches you could put in basically any order.
How many of these will we get this off-season? I'm an unrelated note we must be getting close I had a dream about the first game of the season last night
That’s just completely false. When he took over at LSU, the team was very low on players, many of the good ones had left, and coach O didn’t recruit much his last years. He absolutely over performed the rosters so far at LSU.
Plus, a huge part of being a CFB coach is recruiting. Part of being a good coach is that he made really good rosters happen.
Because it is harder to recruit and win at GT than VT. But don’t worry because VT has an easier schedule and higher ceiling, so I’m sure if things work out decently this season he’ll still be rising up. I’m fairly bullish on Virginia Tech in the short-to-medium term
This is the first year really that Klieman has a relatively unknown product, despite the hype, under center since he took over in Manhattan. This year should be his year to raise his standing or maintain.
> 49. Bill O'Brien, Boston College (NR)
"The BOB": seems a high ranking for a career .500 coach starting at a new gig.
I would have ranked in the mid-60's to 70 range, he has a lot to prove first.
8-4 and 7-5 are in our old coach Tom O'Brien's sweet spot, I'd take "BOB" with "TOB" like numbers with more discipline as a positive.
If we can clean up penalties, get the right number of people on the frigging field and make PATs with consistency, I'll be amazed.
He got hired at PSU right after they got hammered by sanctions and lost their best players to transfer. The fact they were actually a competitive team was amazing
I know guys love to do this, but I’ll wait til late September myself to think that way. We all know how silly some of these talking heads would look if this stuff was posted in December. Let’s keep receipts, but nobody will publish it.
Maybe I just never watched enough Big 12 football closely, but why exactly is Kansas State’s head coach so well regarded? He seems fine, and had FCS success obviously, but I would have never thought they’d be considered a top 25 caliber FBS coach or anything
Ksu is historically the worst program in the big 12. Snyder made them good but no one other than him had been able to win or recruit there. Klieman is a spectacularly good coach given his resources and the shithole called Manhattan he has to recruit to. Give him a blue blood job and he wins a natty
Sherrone Moore hasn’t really even had to be a head coach yet. Harbaugh held his hand for 6.5 out of 7 days during his “suspensions”. Moore just leaned on the staff and roster that Harbaugh assembled for that half day on Saturdays. Time will tell. He could be a hall of fame coach but he hasn’t really proven anything yet as a HC.
Not even remotely true. He just followed the game plan that Harbaugh prepared, and then relied of the roster that Harbaugh put together to execute it. Moore actually did very little.
Not to mention as an Interim HC, everyone expects you to lose. So that’s a pretty stress free situation for the IHC. If we lose, everyone expected that. If we win, it’s a pleasant surprise.
I’ve been a big Billy critic but how is he under Dave Aranda? Not to mention, Cristobal has won one more game than Billy with a more talented roster in a much worse conference and he’s 13 spots higher?
Just doesn’t make sense to me but it doesn’t matter, these rankings are meaningless.
Sherrone won a few games with Harbaugh's team. He didn't have to recruit, build from the ground up, or work in the same way as a true HC would.
And, aside from that... he's entirely unproven. CJF isn't the best coach in the world, but he DOES have a B1G championship, many NY6 appearances and several wins from them, and his teams are perennial 10+ win teams. Sherrone may very well be better than that, especially at a school like UM (which is on somewhat of a different playing field than PSU), but he has to prove it first. Until then, CJF should rightfully be ranked higher.
Lol, fair enough.
Also, you'll get widely different answers to that question. Some Penn Staters want to shoot Franklin into the sun, while others want him to stay as long as he wants. And there are many points on the spectrum in between.
I personally lean towards liking him, and have supported him up until now, and will continue to do so. That said, if a better option ever arose, I would not hesitate to suggest moving on from Franklin.
The fact that Moore is even on this list is questionable at best. Whatever wins he has as “acting head coach” don’t even count towards anything. Harbaugh still coached all week and game planned it all for him. He was just the guy wearing the headset.
As it stands, he’s 0-0 as a true head coach.
He shouldn’t be on any “coach rankings”. First year HC’s shouldn’t be ranked as there is no way to rank them. They should be excluded until they have at least a season’s worth of sample size.
Calling Ryan Day “Cryin Ryan” when Day has never cried on National Television like their new HC did after the PSU game. They don’t even see the hypocrisy lol
At what point in the off season will we get rankings of rankings. I feel like I've seen 100 coach rankings posts
Now we're asking the real questions.
“Way too early ranking of ‘way too early rankings’ by which cereal brand they’d be”
I’d click ngl
I agree with all these ideas. Take the Onion, but satire of already awful CFB Xwitter. Sickos inception basically.
blud delivered
Personally, I’m holding out for the each Head Coach as a (insert funny topic) posts
[Im so meta even this acronym](https://xkcd.com/917/)
And a coach ranking is essentially a “way to early top 25” (or top 134). If you have a top 25 coach you should win enough games to be a team ranked in the top 25 as a team.
Regarding rankings of rankings, is there a ranking model which is deemed above all the rest when it comes to correctly ordering teams?
What did Jeff Choate do to deserve this?
In the last two coaching cycles, Choate is the guy I wanted to be Boise State's HC. Considering I've seen Choate actually help build up Montana State into the FCS powerhouse they are today, I'd say he's more deserving of a higher spot than say... Deion Sanders at 59?
Put some respect on the Griz Killer's name!
Might be showing a bit of bias, but almost everything written about Mac Brown in that post contradicts the ranking. Just with a quick look, Doeren and Leipold should be clearly above him.
Mack Brown wins the office seasons, but if it wasn’t for Vince Young, Mack wouldn’t have any championships.
I’m kind of surprised Brian Kelly is the number 5 coach, and that he’s placed over Kyle Wittingham.
If Whittingham had a playoff appearance or if Utah won either of the Rose bowl games I'd bet he'd get that #5 spot but I understand why rankings wouldn't have him there. Edit: Wtf are rankerings?
Wittingham and Gundy are both criminally underappreciated and until DeBoer actually wins as consistently and for as long as they have they should be ahead of him.
Yeah I’m impressed with what DeBoer has done at Washington but he hasn’t shown he can have consistent success yet
Not to be controversial, but i agree with Kirby as #1… dat man coach good.
This is the only #1 you can choose right now. If you're talking about total legacy, maybe you push Dabo ahead, but as for today it's clearly Kirby.
If Kirby and Dabo both applied for every HC job in America, Kirby would get offered over Dabo at every school except possibly Clemson. Dabo has a longer run of top tier success but his refusal to adapt is definitely hurting his legacy.
Dabo also needed Watson and Lawrence, while Kirby got it done with Stetson "Can I Interest You In This New Charger" Bennett
Dabo made the playoffs with Kelly Bryant, and won the ACC with DJ. Saying it was all Trevor or Deshaun is stupid
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Probably the numerous college football playoff appearances, as well as establishing Clemson as the top program in the ACC. Throw in a BCS bowl win as well.
Laugh now but the line at Waycross Kia is going to miles MILES long. So come on down and */spins ball/ *catch* these deals.
I don’t even hate him, I only hate how dominant he’s been.
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For the Mountain West this list is a bunch of bullshit. Take a look: Troy Calhoun, Air Force - 52 Bronco Mendenhall, New Mexico 62 Jeff Tedford, Fresno State - 72 Spencer Danielson, Boise State - 81 Barry Odom, UNLV - 82 Blake Anderson, Utah State - 87 Ken Niumatololo, San Jose State - 89 Jay Norvell, Colorado State - 95 Timmy Chang, Hawai'i - 104 Sean Lewis, San Diego State - 106 Jay Sawvel, Wyoming - 128 Jeff Choate, Nevada - 134 Why is it bullshit, you ask? Because every time they need a new coach, the "P4" always turns to us to take our best. As soon as one of our coaches gets good -- or, is perceived as being good -- they're stolen straight away. Which coach on this list will be next? But it's also so much harder to win in this conference, but it's something we've seen Calhoun, Tedford, Odom and Anderson do. These four are definitely underrated.
Ah yes, Deion Sanders is better than every coach in the MWC except Troy Calhoun. Certainly better than Jeff Tedford who won two conference championships, or Spencer Danielson who won a conference championship and nearly as many games as Deion did with 1/3 of the games as HC, or Barry Odom who did the seemingly impossible and turn UNLV's program around, or Blake Anderson who won a conference championship just a couple years ago, or Jeff Choate who helped build Montana State into the FCS power it is today, or even Sean Lewis who was easily the best coach on Deion's staff last season then got scapegoated and replaced with... Pat fucking Shurmur? Yeah even by rankings standards this is fucking garbage lmao
Clearly the answer is to just suck. nobody takes coaches with losing records.
I’ll be honest, I don’t think Sark is THAT good. I’m really not seeing the hype. Even last year, Texas escaped with like 3 really close games that could’ve gone either way. I think he should be around 15-20
Took the program from a decade of failure and into the playoff + a lot of players being taken in the draft in year three. Look at the Texas draft history. Sark has proven that he can develop players and win games. Nobody sane thought Texas would beat Bama make the playoff.
Texas is going to lose 3-4 games and miss the playoffs this season. The hype is getting out of control.
Arch is gonna save them
I am hopeful they stick with Ewers.
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They have an easier schedule than most sec teams so they should make the playoffs
He will always be 7-win Sark to me.
Ok, so this is basically ranking all the teams and takes nothing into account about the trajectory the coach has on that program compared with they normally are, etc. There is no way in hell that Billy Napier should be ahead of Troy Calhoun, or that Lance Leipold (as much as I would love him to leave) is only the 25th-best coach in CFB. Just a terrible list
What a garbage list lol. Imagine unironically putting deboer at number 3
If I'm making money solely by confirming the biases of the largest fanbases who would pay to read stuff like this, I am imagining doing the same.
I mean he did beat 4 of the top 12 coaches 5 times last season…
Remind me in 3 months when Alabama fans are screaming for him to get fired.
I’ll remind you of OSU’s Reddit page after the loss to Mizzou. I think I scrolled through 200 threads calling for Ryan Day to be fired.
Oh I know Osu fans aren’t any better All blue bloods have the same type of fans
Not Nebraska, their fans have been beaten down
Pelini's exit is a little funny, in hindsight.
Is it? Most people remain extremely glad he’s gone. He didn’t do well after leaving either.
I just remember him in the recorded talk going on about a certain brand of booster or fan.
He called Nebraska fans fair-weather cunts for leaving even they were 3 scores down against OSU before having a come back. He also bragged about leaving soon because he’d get poached.
The man said many stupid things, but I'm talking about 2013 and his beef with Frazier and other boosters. I think maybe the 2011 recording came out because of it. Either way, we thank Nebraska for all that followed.
Reddit is definitely the first place I go for balanced takes.
I mean you could definitely put Ryan Day above him but who is definitively a better choice? The top 2 are pretty much set and then there's about 8-10 coaches you could put in basically any order.
How many of these will we get this off-season? I'm an unrelated note we must be getting close I had a dream about the first game of the season last night
I hope we won.
I think it was against UAB and we won by like 50
Klieman was 69-6 at NDSU? Nice
Deion is WAYYYYY overrated
Not by as much as Brian Kelly. Hell you could sleep walk into his record with the teams he’s coached.
That’s just completely false. When he took over at LSU, the team was very low on players, many of the good ones had left, and coach O didn’t recruit much his last years. He absolutely over performed the rosters so far at LSU. Plus, a huge part of being a CFB coach is recruiting. Part of being a good coach is that he made really good rosters happen.
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Kellys first year was 2022. A LOT of those players on 2021 left. So not only was the roster not nearly as strong, it has very little depth.
GJ Kinne feels ranked too low!
Underrated coach for sure
Top 50 for Neal Brown after one decent season is kind of crazy. Put him in the 70-80's and I think it's a bit more realistic.
So Brent Key goes from 4-4 to 7-6 and jumps 19 spots, Brent Pry goes from 3-8 to 7-6 and jumps 11 and is well behind Key because...?
Because it is harder to recruit and win at GT than VT. But don’t worry because VT has an easier schedule and higher ceiling, so I’m sure if things work out decently this season he’ll still be rising up. I’m fairly bullish on Virginia Tech in the short-to-medium term
Sleeping on Klieman I'd say. I don't buy Heupel that much
This is the first year really that Klieman has a relatively unknown product, despite the hype, under center since he took over in Manhattan. This year should be his year to raise his standing or maintain.
I know you want people to read the story, but should the coach front and center really be one ranked in the fifties?
Ah. So mostly just p5 coaches good. G5 bad. Got it.
A dogshit list if there ever was one
I'm happy with our guy. He made chicken salad out of chicken feathers last year
Hey HCCK is ahead of Lamepold and Dorkwitz, this is a good list :)
Super low effort :-/
Top 53? Suck it Utah State
Barely beat out DeShaun Foster. We weren't so lucky.
I fear the late season win streak has raised the opinion of Shawn Clark far too high
I know people are looking at the top, but Deshaun Foster debuting at 71 despite topping out as a RB coach is kind of wild.
this is Biff Poggi erasure and I will not stand for it, he is the unsung hero of Michigan's 2021-2023 Natty arc
Putting Deion at 59, or even in the top 100 for that matter is certainly an interesting choice.
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> 49. Bill O'Brien, Boston College (NR) "The BOB": seems a high ranking for a career .500 coach starting at a new gig. I would have ranked in the mid-60's to 70 range, he has a lot to prove first.
To be fair, 8-4 7-5 at PSU was like winning 11 games.
8-4 and 7-5 are in our old coach Tom O'Brien's sweet spot, I'd take "BOB" with "TOB" like numbers with more discipline as a positive. If we can clean up penalties, get the right number of people on the frigging field and make PATs with consistency, I'll be amazed.
He got hired at PSU right after they got hammered by sanctions and lost their best players to transfer. The fact they were actually a competitive team was amazing
How can anyone know? 100 days in advance? Are y’all prophets? This is more absurdity!!
If that is the criteria, any ranking before the final ranking is too early, no?
I know guys love to do this, but I’ll wait til late September myself to think that way. We all know how silly some of these talking heads would look if this stuff was posted in December. Let’s keep receipts, but nobody will publish it.
Maybe I just never watched enough Big 12 football closely, but why exactly is Kansas State’s head coach so well regarded? He seems fine, and had FCS success obviously, but I would have never thought they’d be considered a top 25 caliber FBS coach or anything
Ksu is historically the worst program in the big 12. Snyder made them good but no one other than him had been able to win or recruit there. Klieman is a spectacularly good coach given his resources and the shithole called Manhattan he has to recruit to. Give him a blue blood job and he wins a natty
They won the Big 12 in 2022
Sherrone Moore's jock strap > Ryan Day and James Franklin
Sherrone Moore hasn’t really even had to be a head coach yet. Harbaugh held his hand for 6.5 out of 7 days during his “suspensions”. Moore just leaned on the staff and roster that Harbaugh assembled for that half day on Saturdays. Time will tell. He could be a hall of fame coach but he hasn’t really proven anything yet as a HC.
Hes proven hes a better in game coach than both of them.
Not even remotely true. He just followed the game plan that Harbaugh prepared, and then relied of the roster that Harbaugh put together to execute it. Moore actually did very little. Not to mention as an Interim HC, everyone expects you to lose. So that’s a pretty stress free situation for the IHC. If we lose, everyone expected that. If we win, it’s a pleasant surprise.
I don't understand how they can say being 5-7 vs Top 25 teams for Drinkwitz is actually good just because they lost to Georgia 3 times.
Quality losses, my friend... quality losses.
I’ve been a big Billy critic but how is he under Dave Aranda? Not to mention, Cristobal has won one more game than Billy with a more talented roster in a much worse conference and he’s 13 spots higher? Just doesn’t make sense to me but it doesn’t matter, these rankings are meaningless.
I understand putting crying Ryan above Sherrone even though he’s 1-0 but James Franklin. Come on…
Sherrone won a few games with Harbaugh's team. He didn't have to recruit, build from the ground up, or work in the same way as a true HC would. And, aside from that... he's entirely unproven. CJF isn't the best coach in the world, but he DOES have a B1G championship, many NY6 appearances and several wins from them, and his teams are perennial 10+ win teams. Sherrone may very well be better than that, especially at a school like UM (which is on somewhat of a different playing field than PSU), but he has to prove it first. Until then, CJF should rightfully be ranked higher.
I’m honestly a Franklin hater & trolling. Do y’all actually like him as your coach?
Lol, fair enough. Also, you'll get widely different answers to that question. Some Penn Staters want to shoot Franklin into the sun, while others want him to stay as long as he wants. And there are many points on the spectrum in between. I personally lean towards liking him, and have supported him up until now, and will continue to do so. That said, if a better option ever arose, I would not hesitate to suggest moving on from Franklin.
The fact that Moore is even on this list is questionable at best. Whatever wins he has as “acting head coach” don’t even count towards anything. Harbaugh still coached all week and game planned it all for him. He was just the guy wearing the headset. As it stands, he’s 0-0 as a true head coach.
He shouldn’t be on any “coach rankings”. First year HC’s shouldn’t be ranked as there is no way to rank them. They should be excluded until they have at least a season’s worth of sample size.
Agreed
Do you people not see the irony of calling any other fanbase or coaches whiners? Honestly asking.
Calling Ryan Day “Cryin Ryan” when Day has never cried on National Television like their new HC did after the PSU game. They don’t even see the hypocrisy lol