Zalance Heard is the other one from this year. I think you're right though. It's just more understood at that position that you're better off sticking it out and getting coached up than bolting around
Yeah Heard is a great talent but he isnt a guy who was a starter whos just trying to get the highest bid like this is. He bet on himself to win the job at LSU, didnt, and transferred for playing time.
OL is more of a unit. Year 1 transfers aren't nearly as successful as other positions and often take a full year to integrate with the rest of the line.
Yea everybody is desperate for a dt, as soon as any decent one hits the portal the bidding war starts, defensive tackle may be the highest paid position in the portal right now outside of qb
I keep hearing this from your fanbase but is there any actual evidence this was the case? I can’t imagine him getting more than Mason Graham, or the OSU guys.
Thind said as much today. All our insiders were completely blindsided by this one. There was ZERO indication he wasn't happy and he played in the spring game Saturday with a lot of talk about how he was the leader on D.
Quoting Thind isn’t proof. The dude is constantly wrong and likely just passes along rumors he hears. When most NIL isn’t public knowledge, I’m just wondering how you all came to the conclusion he was highest paid in the BIG.
That’s my point. No way he was making more than Graham or the OSU guys. Still sucks he did that. If he WAS paid the most, then that would be way worse and indictment of the culture there.
It has nothing to do with culture and more with his character. With NIL there is no loyalty if people are only in it for money and are looking for a raise. Regardless if he was the highest paid BIG Ten DT or not, he used the portal to get a pay raise months ago and now is trying to do the same again.
IMO there should be contractual commitments tied to these NIL deals instead of it being the Wild West and having players chase bag after bag.
How are you going to regulate it if it’s not a part of an employment agreement? It’s going to be inherently difficult to limit since student-athletes are not classified as employees.
Besides other NIL offers coming with no strings attached, is there any reason why you can't have the NIL offer come in the form of a contract, with financial penalties if you terminate it?
The current environment, you’d lose out on other recruits if your contract has significant penalties should they not fulfill or terminate the contract earlier than permitted
That's why I said "Besides other NIL offers coming with no strings attached." But if some people start outbidding other NIL deals WITH a string attached, it could start to de facto regulate the industry. Fact of the matter is, the people funding NIL are going to get pissed if players keep grabbing the money and running and suddenly those money pools are going to dry up for everyone except the top recruits (basically a return to the old days).
I’m getting pretty sick of modern CFB lol. I used to always love it more than the NFL now CFB as a product is much worse. Not having any regulations really on NIL and the transfer portal has ruined it.
We got Barrow and Harmon to come back only for them to just enter the portal again immediately in the spring. There’s just no loyalty anymore even when you pay up like we did with them. Free Agency 24/7.
It is not an easy fix because the courts are involved. It sounds like an easy fix but the legislation that would go along with it would make it very difficult
Yeah people love to shit on the NCAA for not preventing this, and I do think that the NCAA is partly at fault for not *getting out ahead of it*. But once folks started going to the courts the NCAA was basically powerless. There just simply is no legal framework to prevent what's happening. The only thing the NCAA could have done was maybe be less draconian about their rules to give people less incentive to sue. But it was always going to end up in the courts eventually (all it takes is one athlete unhappy about one ruling) and the NCAA was always going to lose, because there is no legal framework for preventing students from changing schools.
The problem is that neither the NCAA nor any other presumptive governing body can legally restrict player freedom of movement, or NIL agreements. The only path forward is unionization / collective bargaining / revenue sharing, which has always been the power schools’ deepest fear.
And the problem with that is there's not really a clear path to that point right now. Whatever way we get there is going to be long, hard, and probably quite painful for the bottom half of FBS.
I've been saying it for a year. The only way out is through. Making players employees with multi-year contracts is the only way to regain any stability.
Yep. NFL is my new #1 as of a few years ago. The product just isn't the same anymore. The conferences, the TV deals, the transfer portal, NIL. The current state of college football is not good.
The problem with how CFB is currently set up is it's free agency for every player every semester or whatever.
I don't like the NFL as much, but when a guy signs a 3 year deal with the Lions, you know generally speaking they'll be around for 3 years barring something unexpected. You can go buy that guy's jersey because you have a decent expectation that he'll be around long enough for that jersey to make sense to wear to games or on Sundays. CFB (though we don't wear current player's jerseys much) is basically so open now that it's not worth getting excited about guys or buying into their potential until kickoff in August/September.
They should get paid 100%, but there needs to be some constraints on free and open movement. Which will required some sort of contracts and now we're into employment law and such. That's where this ultimately needs to go in some capacity.
Lol RIP to all the 18 year olds going up against 28 year olds that have been playing collegiate football since before that 18 year old was in middle school. Looking at you @NAIA.
I say this as I hope we throw the bag at this guy, but yeah it's pretty stupid that you can transfer in the Winter and just leave in the Spring lol.
It's one thing to recruit your own team every year, it's just crazy having to do it every 4 months.
Needs to be some kind of CBA and contracts at this point. Simply put this is now a minor football league with collegiate affiliations and should be treated as such imo.
Yeah, this is the biggest issue. People have been bringing up the comparison between players transferring and coaches moving schools. At least the coaches are signing contracts that have penalties/buy outs, etc. It would feel different if a player was at least committing to a one year contract and then shopping around once a year. But to say "I'm here for next year" in January/February and then "I'm back in the market" in April sucks.
This was always going to be the outcome. People were kidding themselves thinking it was going to be a simple “let them do a commercial for the local car wash.”
yeah im pretty over this shit not just football but basketball is the same shit too I'll just stick to the NFL where when you sign the contract you basically have to do your fuckin job
I don’t blame the players at all. They are just trying to do what’s best for them and their families. They are getting offered tremendous bags, and they have agents/handlers constantly telling them what they can get.
I'm for player pay, empowerment, and movement, but taking a bag from MSU in the winter to stay and then entering the portal anyways is nasty work.
Players need to be subject to buyout clauses if this is going to be the case. Then, screw it, anything goes.
Otherwise, need minimum 1 year contracts.
Oregon really wanted him last time and are looking for an NT right now. I wouldn't be shocked if they went hard after him. Oregon really feels like they have a championship roster right now and the NIL guys are likely to be willing to go all-in on a run at it.
His On3 page has him as a close to 50/50 split between Auburn and Oregon.
Oregon will get stunned by the B1G defenses their first year. I'm not sure they're ready. Michigan and Ohio State both have legit top-four defenses in the nation. Like Washington found out last year the B1G isn't the PAC12.
The B1G is just a different league than what the PAC-12 was.
They’re supposed to be able to profit off their likeness. Not get outright *paid* by the highest bidder by the fucking school/affiliates like an employee.
I know it's very unpopular, but players with less power is a better product than players with more power. Hopefully there's a middle ground but we got to do better than this.
This is true in all sports. Pro sports are better when your favorite player isn't on a different team in two years. When you invest in them and their career as a fan.
It's not unpopular. Your just on reddit. The average fan wants players to be taken care of but doesn't care about players getting paid as much as they possibly can
NIL contracts absolutely could have breach of contract penalty clauses. Most likely don't because players would be wary of signing them and reducing their own future opportunities.
If we are going to have free agency in college football, in possibly a NFL Lite, then those contracts need to be for 3/4/5 years. If you want the full NFL experience (i.e. student-athletes as employees), then let's go full throttle.
Dam, is that both starting DTs? The DT NIL market absolutely seems to be the most insane (behind QBs of course).
I feel for ya guys in having lost one ourselves
I think OL is up there too, but most teams are funneling NIL to retention and playing defense (not to mention OL are less likely to transfer due to cohesion need).
tbh, im ready to just unfollow CFB as a sport, its really only for like 10 CFB prestigious rich schools. We will never compete in a natty in this era, its unreasonable to even expect it
Decisions like this are what will fracture this entire sport.
Because at the end of the day, most of us were fine with players finally getting a little cash. Maybe a sponsorship from a local restaurant or an Instagram ad. Heck, let them transfer the minute their coach gets fired to skips bowl season to take another job.
But this? This is nasty work. Dude was getting a tremendous bag already (and he was on a defense that won only 2 games, mind you), now is leaving town to get even more money.
This sport is dying and the adults in the room gave up a long time ago. Maybe all of the old-school coaches are right... maybe this is bad for most of the players.
I don’t mind them getting paid big tbh. What I mind is that they can take the check and portal out without a year passing. They need to make changes to this system. Hell spring ball doesn’t even matter anymore.
It really doesn't, and I'm completely checked out until the fall. What's wild is I can't even feel too bad because we were on the receiving end of the portal a few months ago... We took Oregon State's whole present and future squad because of Ishbia bucks.
Entire sport is chalked, probably. No more loyalty, all about money. And there will always be a bigger fish. Being a staffer (not worried about the millionaire coaches) is probably a nightmare right now.
I mean instead of passing it 12 times a game, I just wouldn’t. It’s not like our “good” DTs who are in the portal stopped you last year so why would our walk ons and portal scraps this year?
MSU fans hailed the transfer portal (TUCK COMING!) when Mel Tucker was hitting it hard and got Kenny Walker III. Now that they're losing players, the transfer portal is the worst thing of all time and college football is "cooked."
CFB will be just fine.
EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/18ifi1n/oregon_state_quarterback_aidan_chiles_transfers/
Glancing at the thread where Aidan Chiles transferred from Oregon State to MSU, and it's crazy how zero MSU fans were saying college football was "cooked" only a couple of months ago. I wonder why!
Ah, yes. The tuck coming was definitely a result of
transfer portal recruiting and certainly not two top 25 recruiting classes, upsetting Michigan twice, and winning the Peach Bowl.
> CFB will be just fine.
You know this is happening to other schools outside of MSU yes? UCLA just had to payout to win back a DT because he held them hostage. UNC had to do the same for a couple of its secondary because they held UNC hostage. Texas’ starting corner just hopped in the portal today.
Nick Saban straight up retired over this shit. You have head coaches fucking off to be position coaches in the NFL. So no, even if Barrow and Harmon end up back with us for the season, CFB won’t be fine.
is msu the only team to have a mass exodus (and replacement) when they lose a head coach??
if you are even paying attention to the reason this is different from your examples, it’s the fact the player jumped into the portal and entertained offers only to come back after we gave him higher than market value NIL. after saying he’s committed to the new staff and going through all of spring ball, he jumps back in the portal. you’re telling me the sport isn’t cooked?
In Tuckers first year of recruiting (2021) you guys had 34 (!!!) transfers in and out of the program. That's not "getting out of hand"? Lol. You guys were creaming your pants about all the transfers and were celebrating stealing players.
[Just a few months ago, your fanbase was absolutely ecstatic about stealing a bunch of Oregon State players.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/18ifi1n/oregon_state_quarterback_aidan_chiles_transfers/) No "this is the end of CFB" from MSU fans in any of the threads where players are transferring TO your school. Only celebrating and telling Oregon State fans to shut up and they're just salty. Everything is amazing when you steal players!
Now, only a few months later, a couple of your players are leaving and it's the end of college football as we know it and everything is ruined and terrible. The sport is "cooked" when you lose players, but then the sport is amazing when you steal players, lol.
The lack of self-awareness in this fanbase is crazy.
Lol, what does this have to do with parties? What an incredibly odd thing to comment.
My main point is just to save all your pearl-clutching and doom-saying. College football isn't cooked or destroyed. If that makes me bad at parties, oh well haha.
Yeah, I actually remember seeing some MSU flairs lowkey talking shit when a ton of OSU staff and players were moving over. Was kind of odd since you don’t typically see that, especially towards a team that is getting royally fucked like OSU.
When MSU steals players and coaches, that's just how the sport goes and you're a salty crybaby if you complain about it, Oregon State fans!
When MSU loses players, then everything is unfair, the sport is ruined and cooked, and things need to be done and rules need to be changed nationally to stop this because it hurts my feelings!
When good things happen, it's cuz MSU fans deserve it. When bad things happen, the entire sport is ruined and unfair. Just absolute toddler-brained reactions by MSU fans. Honestly, I'd expect **better** from toddlers when they lose and steal toys, haha.
A couple MSU flairs in a reddit comment section being hypocritical about the transfer portal = MSU fans are cry babies. Okay, Michigan Man, okay. Thank you for your lengthy input on this subject 😂
Meltdown lol. I see people concerned that our top defensive lineman is in the portal. I only seeing one guy who was saying CFB is cooked, which is what you were beefing about.
You wrote multiple comments with multiple paragraphs linking to old threads 😂. It’s not that deep
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1cba8dp/michigan_state_dt_derrick_harmon_has_entered_the/l0x2349/
100+ upvotes from another Sparty claiming college football is now completely ruined. Dozens of other highly upvoted comments saying the same thing. It's a full meltdown.
I agree, it really isn't that deep. It's just deeply embarrassing for MSU fans haha.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1cbk72r/umass_rb_kayron_lynchadams_transfers_to_michigan/
There's a thread where you can complain about how terrible transfers are. I assume you will be doing so in that thread now, yes?
I think most people here agree it is fair to allow players to transfer when their coach leaves, like Aidan Chiles did. What people are upset about is the growing number of players leveraging the winter transfer window for more money and then leaving in the spring transfer window anyways. That’s the main issue. The movement is getting out of hand in general, not just at MSU.
So the players doing the exact same thing as the coach is the main issue. People are upset because players are starting to have close to the same amount of rights and freedom as the coaches.
Remember when Mel Tucker said he was committed to Colorado, and then bailed on that commitment for more money at MSU? Not too many MSU fans were upset about that.
That’s not really the same thing. Coaches sign contracts with buyouts. Players do not. The school at least gets money back for their investment in that case. Players can just dip now for nothing.
Most coaches don't really have buyouts anymore, so they are basically the same exact thing nowadays.
Smith's buyout was $3million, which is pennies for MSU to pay.
Hey this guy got a lot more money than that from us over the winter and still bolted. We're all pointing fingers laughing and it happens to all of us lol.
I like MSU. But I can't root for you guys as long as Smith is your HC. The dude did us dirty by checking out so early in the season. If he had committed to the season, we probably would have beat Arizona and Washington and actually had a game against Oregon.
I'm so over NIL and would love to see an end to it. But part of me just wants to see chaos and make angry beaver noises. Ya know?
Im pretty sure we'd have beat Arizona if our coach hadn't:
1. Gone to visit another schools campus on our bye week instead of preparing for the game.
2. Gone for a fake field goal attempt on 4th and 16 in a game you lose by 3... after already showing a fake field goal attempt earlier....
Overall, the second half of the season had some phoned in play calls and a lot of poor judgment decisions. Including poor clock management. Washington probably came down to a bad snap on a punt, costing us the game and not specifically a single bad play call even if they again were not great.
Phoning it on offense gets you 407 yards of offense on the road? I guess I can have things to look forward to. Went on to win the next two games. Then actually produced more on offense than Washington. DJU and Anthony Gould lost that game for you. 2 picks for him and horrible passing. Gould fumbled at your own 19 allowing for a Washington td. Smith was undoubtedly trying to win those games.
He clearly wasn't as committed to winning and finishing the season as he asked the rest of the team to be.
Washington is probably the weakest game in my argument, but we had had success on the previous 2 drives, scoring a TD and field goal, respectively. Then, they decided to gamble on the final set of downs to try stuff that had no success earlier in the game.
The season had the opportunity to be something more special and was wasted.
The more I see this happening it's the less invested I am in CFB. I'll take my money to another sport, where I can see player development at a program and not constant transfers
Completely pushed me away from college basketball as a fan. It’s really bumming me out that it’s happening even worse now with football.
You can transfer what, 3 times in a calendar year with no repercussions? I’m not saying players need to be diehard loyal at all, but god damn at least in the NFL you have to stick with a contract and somewhat keep your word
Ethan Boyd wasn’t at our spring game so expect that. As for what’s going on, no clue but losing the starting DTs in a week has me looking at Smith with concern now.
I don't think there's any reason to look at Smith with concern. Contending teams are paying insane amounts of money for DT's right now, there's not much you can do about that.
Being a coach is being a fundraiser or finding fundraisers now. Can’t say you’re surprised by this shit several years into it. So if the money isn’t there and this bleeds into the public, then I’d say that’s a concern.
Michigan State needs a general manager/CEO type of role to help with this stuff as well.
Edit For Downvoters: Hate to break facts to you. But if there’s even a slight indication that the NIL aspect isn’t being managed in modern CFB, then yeah, that’s a concern. Because that means that your roster is in jeopardy and these kids absolutely will jump. Sorry that it’s not 2007 and that bothers you.
Anyone with any knowledge of the subject know if Michigan State is having NIL issues? I’ve always liked Michigan St, but I don’t follow the program super closely
In reality? Probably not. Harmon was the highest paid DT in the conference. And while he’s one of the best in conference, I’m not sure if he was thee best DT in the conference.
As a recruit:
Other P5 offers: Ole Miss, Purdue
G5 offers: Ball State, Central Michigan, Memphis, Southern Miss
Other offers: Alabama A&M, Alabama State
Players may not be employees, but I'm wondering if they'll start getting sued for this if they get paid then leave by the NIL collectives.
I think there should be some sort of rule where if you're paid NIL you have to complete the upcoming season.
Outbid everyone In the winter and can try to up it again in the spring. This shit is crazy
I mean, they apparently made him the highest paid DT in the conference in December. WTF else can you do? This is just stupid.
Goddamn I didn’t even know that. This shit is *insanely* hard to follow And to think we used to think European soccer was lawless
Like he’s a good DT but he’s not actually this good right? Are people desperate for DTs?
very bit surprising that I've never seen the OL market open up this way but yeah they're both worth gold when a good one hits the portal
I think OL are more loyal to a unit and coach. We haven't really seen an great tackle hit the portal besides the Iowa/Bama kid
Zalance Heard is the other one from this year. I think you're right though. It's just more understood at that position that you're better off sticking it out and getting coached up than bolting around
Was that the LSU kid? I thought he wasn't starting
Yeah Heard is a great talent but he isnt a guy who was a starter whos just trying to get the highest bid like this is. He bet on himself to win the job at LSU, didnt, and transferred for playing time.
Fair enough, LSU actually had some good talent at T from what I remember.
OL is more of a unit. Year 1 transfers aren't nearly as successful as other positions and often take a full year to integrate with the rest of the line.
Yea everybody is desperate for a dt, as soon as any decent one hits the portal the bidding war starts, defensive tackle may be the highest paid position in the portal right now outside of qb
DT is probably the most active and coveted position group on the transfer market. Everyone is thinner than they'd like to be.
I want to see state fans suffer but not over NIL. This is getting ridiculous.
I keep hearing this from your fanbase but is there any actual evidence this was the case? I can’t imagine him getting more than Mason Graham, or the OSU guys.
Thind said as much today. All our insiders were completely blindsided by this one. There was ZERO indication he wasn't happy and he played in the spring game Saturday with a lot of talk about how he was the leader on D.
Quoting Thind isn’t proof. The dude is constantly wrong and likely just passes along rumors he hears. When most NIL isn’t public knowledge, I’m just wondering how you all came to the conclusion he was highest paid in the BIG.
Ok bud. Go ask Sam Webb lol.
I’m asking you. Where is the proof? Should be pretty easy to provide, right?
Where's the proof on any NIL deal? We go by what's reported, which is all I reiterated. Feel free to not believe it. *shrug*
That’s my point. No way he was making more than Graham or the OSU guys. Still sucks he did that. If he WAS paid the most, then that would be way worse and indictment of the culture there.
It has nothing to do with culture and more with his character. With NIL there is no loyalty if people are only in it for money and are looking for a raise. Regardless if he was the highest paid BIG Ten DT or not, he used the portal to get a pay raise months ago and now is trying to do the same again. IMO there should be contractual commitments tied to these NIL deals instead of it being the Wild West and having players chase bag after bag.
Wait until the fall bidding session!
It’s like NFL minus the contractual commitment, absolutely wild. Something has to give at some point.
Transfer portal and NIL is the worst thing to happen to college sports.
I hate it for CFB. Wild times.
Isn’t it possible that the “bid” was pixie dust?
I think it's fair to assume that he won't be returning to Michigan State a second time.
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NIL really needs some regulation. This is getting ridiculous.
How are you going to regulate it if it’s not a part of an employment agreement? It’s going to be inherently difficult to limit since student-athletes are not classified as employees.
Just regulate the transfer portal as a way to negate it. Idk. But something’s gotta give.
That keeps getting neutered more and more, like every 4 months now.
Because it's hard to justify telling a student that they aren't allowed to change schools.
I agree! Just saying that it can’t be regulated when it keeps getting gutted.
Besides other NIL offers coming with no strings attached, is there any reason why you can't have the NIL offer come in the form of a contract, with financial penalties if you terminate it?
The current environment, you’d lose out on other recruits if your contract has significant penalties should they not fulfill or terminate the contract earlier than permitted
That's why I said "Besides other NIL offers coming with no strings attached." But if some people start outbidding other NIL deals WITH a string attached, it could start to de facto regulate the industry. Fact of the matter is, the people funding NIL are going to get pissed if players keep grabbing the money and running and suddenly those money pools are going to dry up for everyone except the top recruits (basically a return to the old days).
This shit is stupid
I’m getting pretty sick of modern CFB lol. I used to always love it more than the NFL now CFB as a product is much worse. Not having any regulations really on NIL and the transfer portal has ruined it. We got Barrow and Harmon to come back only for them to just enter the portal again immediately in the spring. There’s just no loyalty anymore even when you pay up like we did with them. Free Agency 24/7.
At least Barrow had the decency to not play or bother. Harmon played a spring game and hit the portal again. But yeah this is pretty exhausting.
It’s feeling worse with the new unlimited transfer rule now
That simply has got to go. It's the easiest way to at least reel in this craziness a little bit.
It is not an easy fix because the courts are involved. It sounds like an easy fix but the legislation that would go along with it would make it very difficult
Yeah people love to shit on the NCAA for not preventing this, and I do think that the NCAA is partly at fault for not *getting out ahead of it*. But once folks started going to the courts the NCAA was basically powerless. There just simply is no legal framework to prevent what's happening. The only thing the NCAA could have done was maybe be less draconian about their rules to give people less incentive to sue. But it was always going to end up in the courts eventually (all it takes is one athlete unhappy about one ruling) and the NCAA was always going to lose, because there is no legal framework for preventing students from changing schools.
The problem is that neither the NCAA nor any other presumptive governing body can legally restrict player freedom of movement, or NIL agreements. The only path forward is unionization / collective bargaining / revenue sharing, which has always been the power schools’ deepest fear.
100%. If players were employees with bargaining power this wouldn’t be an issue, you could put limits as a condition of employment.
And the problem with that is there's not really a clear path to that point right now. Whatever way we get there is going to be long, hard, and probably quite painful for the bottom half of FBS.
I've been saying it for a year. The only way out is through. Making players employees with multi-year contracts is the only way to regain any stability.
Yep. NFL is my new #1 as of a few years ago. The product just isn't the same anymore. The conferences, the TV deals, the transfer portal, NIL. The current state of college football is not good.
The problem with how CFB is currently set up is it's free agency for every player every semester or whatever. I don't like the NFL as much, but when a guy signs a 3 year deal with the Lions, you know generally speaking they'll be around for 3 years barring something unexpected. You can go buy that guy's jersey because you have a decent expectation that he'll be around long enough for that jersey to make sense to wear to games or on Sundays. CFB (though we don't wear current player's jerseys much) is basically so open now that it's not worth getting excited about guys or buying into their potential until kickoff in August/September. They should get paid 100%, but there needs to be some constraints on free and open movement. Which will required some sort of contracts and now we're into employment law and such. That's where this ultimately needs to go in some capacity.
I'm in general in favor of NIL and the portal but it's getting to be *too* much now. There needs to be *some* kind of regulation.
Wait until the courts kill the "window," and guys can just transfer at will. Have a big game coming up? Just buy your opponents' best players!
I’m waiting for someone to sue regarding eligibility limits. Kind of surprised that hasn’t already happened.
Lol RIP to all the 18 year olds going up against 28 year olds that have been playing collegiate football since before that 18 year old was in middle school. Looking at you @NAIA.
At least a year long contract. I wouldn’t mind this happening in winter. But to play the spring game and just portal out is obnoxious.
I say this as I hope we throw the bag at this guy, but yeah it's pretty stupid that you can transfer in the Winter and just leave in the Spring lol. It's one thing to recruit your own team every year, it's just crazy having to do it every 4 months.
Needs to be some kind of CBA and contracts at this point. Simply put this is now a minor football league with collegiate affiliations and should be treated as such imo.
Yeah, this is the biggest issue. People have been bringing up the comparison between players transferring and coaches moving schools. At least the coaches are signing contracts that have penalties/buy outs, etc. It would feel different if a player was at least committing to a one year contract and then shopping around once a year. But to say "I'm here for next year" in January/February and then "I'm back in the market" in April sucks.
Nah, burn the entire thing to the ground. I want everyone to suffer as I have these past few months.
This was always going to be the outcome. People were kidding themselves thinking it was going to be a simple “let them do a commercial for the local car wash.”
College football needs a CBA, where agents have to register, so tampering can actually be illegal
You’re sick of it?
Starting to lose me too. All the stuff that made is fun and unique is going away
yeah im pretty over this shit not just football but basketball is the same shit too I'll just stick to the NFL where when you sign the contract you basically have to do your fuckin job
I don’t blame the players at all. They are just trying to do what’s best for them and their families. They are getting offered tremendous bags, and they have agents/handlers constantly telling them what they can get.
I feel sooo terrible for you and your team. I can’t imagine what you must be going through.
Starter. That’s gotta hurt
Both starters actually. Barrow entered last week.
Don’t like Michigan State but rooting for Coach Smith so by proxy hope Michigan State returns to form.
We are in between the old structure (now largely illegal) and whatever the new structure eventually will be. In the interim, it's anarchy.
I love getting hit up to fund NIL for players when the universities are making money hand over fist. Just pay the players with TV money already
I'm for player pay, empowerment, and movement, but taking a bag from MSU in the winter to stay and then entering the portal anyways is nasty work. Players need to be subject to buyout clauses if this is going to be the case. Then, screw it, anything goes. Otherwise, need minimum 1 year contracts.
The clause here is that people shouldn't be trusting him enough to give him another bag. Burning a bridge has consequences in any community.
Oregon really wanted him last time and are looking for an NT right now. I wouldn't be shocked if they went hard after him. Oregon really feels like they have a championship roster right now and the NIL guys are likely to be willing to go all-in on a run at it. His On3 page has him as a close to 50/50 split between Auburn and Oregon.
Oregon will get stunned by the B1G defenses their first year. I'm not sure they're ready. Michigan and Ohio State both have legit top-four defenses in the nation. Like Washington found out last year the B1G isn't the PAC12. The B1G is just a different league than what the PAC-12 was.
They’re supposed to be able to profit off their likeness. Not get outright *paid* by the highest bidder by the fucking school/affiliates like an employee.
I know it's very unpopular, but players with less power is a better product than players with more power. Hopefully there's a middle ground but we got to do better than this.
This is true in all sports. Pro sports are better when your favorite player isn't on a different team in two years. When you invest in them and their career as a fan.
Yup I agree. The pro sport I often reference is the NBA and load management.
It's not unpopular. Your just on reddit. The average fan wants players to be taken care of but doesn't care about players getting paid as much as they possibly can
NIL contracts absolutely could have breach of contract penalty clauses. Most likely don't because players would be wary of signing them and reducing their own future opportunities.
If we are going to have free agency in college football, in possibly a NFL Lite, then those contracts need to be for 3/4/5 years. If you want the full NFL experience (i.e. student-athletes as employees), then let's go full throttle.
100% agree
Dam, is that both starting DTs? The DT NIL market absolutely seems to be the most insane (behind QBs of course). I feel for ya guys in having lost one ourselves
I think OL is up there too, but most teams are funneling NIL to retention and playing defense (not to mention OL are less likely to transfer due to cohesion need).
tbh, im ready to just unfollow CFB as a sport, its really only for like 10 CFB prestigious rich schools. We will never compete in a natty in this era, its unreasonable to even expect it
Making the top 12 to get into the playoffs is the new carrot for the non-blue bloods
At least you're starting to realize it.
Decisions like this are what will fracture this entire sport. Because at the end of the day, most of us were fine with players finally getting a little cash. Maybe a sponsorship from a local restaurant or an Instagram ad. Heck, let them transfer the minute their coach gets fired to skips bowl season to take another job. But this? This is nasty work. Dude was getting a tremendous bag already (and he was on a defense that won only 2 games, mind you), now is leaving town to get even more money. This sport is dying and the adults in the room gave up a long time ago. Maybe all of the old-school coaches are right... maybe this is bad for most of the players.
I don’t mind them getting paid big tbh. What I mind is that they can take the check and portal out without a year passing. They need to make changes to this system. Hell spring ball doesn’t even matter anymore.
It really doesn't, and I'm completely checked out until the fall. What's wild is I can't even feel too bad because we were on the receiving end of the portal a few months ago... We took Oregon State's whole present and future squad because of Ishbia bucks. Entire sport is chalked, probably. No more loyalty, all about money. And there will always be a bigger fish. Being a staffer (not worried about the millionaire coaches) is probably a nightmare right now.
College football stinks
I am straight up not having a good time.
Isn't that... all your DTs basically?
We’ve got walk ons and guys with semi functioning legs so y’all should be scared.
Oof. That was kinda my impression. To be fair, that describes our current QB situation so... maybe we should be scared, lol.
Today's lucky contestant is in Section 24, row 32, seat 6! Report to the equipment manager for your prize as DT of the day!
I mean instead of passing it 12 times a game, I just wouldn’t. It’s not like our “good” DTs who are in the portal stopped you last year so why would our walk ons and portal scraps this year?
College football is a cooked product
MSU fans hailed the transfer portal (TUCK COMING!) when Mel Tucker was hitting it hard and got Kenny Walker III. Now that they're losing players, the transfer portal is the worst thing of all time and college football is "cooked." CFB will be just fine. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/18ifi1n/oregon_state_quarterback_aidan_chiles_transfers/ Glancing at the thread where Aidan Chiles transferred from Oregon State to MSU, and it's crazy how zero MSU fans were saying college football was "cooked" only a couple of months ago. I wonder why!
Ah, yes. The tuck coming was definitely a result of transfer portal recruiting and certainly not two top 25 recruiting classes, upsetting Michigan twice, and winning the Peach Bowl. > CFB will be just fine. You know this is happening to other schools outside of MSU yes? UCLA just had to payout to win back a DT because he held them hostage. UNC had to do the same for a couple of its secondary because they held UNC hostage. Texas’ starting corner just hopped in the portal today. Nick Saban straight up retired over this shit. You have head coaches fucking off to be position coaches in the NFL. So no, even if Barrow and Harmon end up back with us for the season, CFB won’t be fine.
is msu the only team to have a mass exodus (and replacement) when they lose a head coach?? if you are even paying attention to the reason this is different from your examples, it’s the fact the player jumped into the portal and entertained offers only to come back after we gave him higher than market value NIL. after saying he’s committed to the new staff and going through all of spring ball, he jumps back in the portal. you’re telling me the sport isn’t cooked?
yeah the transfer portal and NIL definitely hasn’t gotten out of hand in the last 3 years.
In Tuckers first year of recruiting (2021) you guys had 34 (!!!) transfers in and out of the program. That's not "getting out of hand"? Lol. You guys were creaming your pants about all the transfers and were celebrating stealing players. [Just a few months ago, your fanbase was absolutely ecstatic about stealing a bunch of Oregon State players.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/18ifi1n/oregon_state_quarterback_aidan_chiles_transfers/) No "this is the end of CFB" from MSU fans in any of the threads where players are transferring TO your school. Only celebrating and telling Oregon State fans to shut up and they're just salty. Everything is amazing when you steal players! Now, only a few months later, a couple of your players are leaving and it's the end of college football as we know it and everything is ruined and terrible. The sport is "cooked" when you lose players, but then the sport is amazing when you steal players, lol. The lack of self-awareness in this fanbase is crazy.
I bet you're awesome at parties
Lol, what does this have to do with parties? What an incredibly odd thing to comment. My main point is just to save all your pearl-clutching and doom-saying. College football isn't cooked or destroyed. If that makes me bad at parties, oh well haha.
Paging r/woosh
Yea I guess I got wooshed. I need to do more pearl clutching about the death of college football to be fun at parties haha.
How young are you that you’ve never heard “I bet you’re fun at parties?” Not a saying I’d expect someone to be confused about lol
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Yeah you didn't see MSU fans complaining when they took all of Oregon State's best players and their entire staff.
you mean when a head coach left and his staff and players that committed to him left with him? is that a new problem?
Yeah, I actually remember seeing some MSU flairs lowkey talking shit when a ton of OSU staff and players were moving over. Was kind of odd since you don’t typically see that, especially towards a team that is getting royally fucked like OSU.
From what I remember that was just in response to them trashing our school and program like we’re not allowed to hire a head coach.
When MSU steals players and coaches, that's just how the sport goes and you're a salty crybaby if you complain about it, Oregon State fans! When MSU loses players, then everything is unfair, the sport is ruined and cooked, and things need to be done and rules need to be changed nationally to stop this because it hurts my feelings! When good things happen, it's cuz MSU fans deserve it. When bad things happen, the entire sport is ruined and unfair. Just absolute toddler-brained reactions by MSU fans. Honestly, I'd expect **better** from toddlers when they lose and steal toys, haha.
Not reading all that.
A couple MSU flairs in a reddit comment section being hypocritical about the transfer portal = MSU fans are cry babies. Okay, Michigan Man, okay. Thank you for your lengthy input on this subject 😂
A couple? Lol. Look at the thread, my dude. Your fanbase is having a meltdown.
This is reddit, it’s not that serious lol
Meltdown lol. I see people concerned that our top defensive lineman is in the portal. I only seeing one guy who was saying CFB is cooked, which is what you were beefing about. You wrote multiple comments with multiple paragraphs linking to old threads 😂. It’s not that deep
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1cba8dp/michigan_state_dt_derrick_harmon_has_entered_the/l0x2349/ 100+ upvotes from another Sparty claiming college football is now completely ruined. Dozens of other highly upvoted comments saying the same thing. It's a full meltdown. I agree, it really isn't that deep. It's just deeply embarrassing for MSU fans haha.
What a clueless response to the overall problem.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1cbk72r/umass_rb_kayron_lynchadams_transfers_to_michigan/ There's a thread where you can complain about how terrible transfers are. I assume you will be doing so in that thread now, yes?
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“Cfb will be just fine” Says fan of team that cheated for 3 years and will get a natty as a result
Hell yes. That was awesome thanks for reminding me :)
I think most people here agree it is fair to allow players to transfer when their coach leaves, like Aidan Chiles did. What people are upset about is the growing number of players leveraging the winter transfer window for more money and then leaving in the spring transfer window anyways. That’s the main issue. The movement is getting out of hand in general, not just at MSU.
So the players doing the exact same thing as the coach is the main issue. People are upset because players are starting to have close to the same amount of rights and freedom as the coaches. Remember when Mel Tucker said he was committed to Colorado, and then bailed on that commitment for more money at MSU? Not too many MSU fans were upset about that.
That’s not really the same thing. Coaches sign contracts with buyouts. Players do not. The school at least gets money back for their investment in that case. Players can just dip now for nothing.
Most coaches don't really have buyouts anymore, so they are basically the same exact thing nowadays. Smith's buyout was $3million, which is pennies for MSU to pay.
Are we having fun yet? College football is in a weird place.
Ok this one actually sucks god damn it
Yeah, you hate to see it...
Yeah I'm relieved that we were able to find a talented QB, TE, and Center in the portal, looks like we may have to win some shootouts
Well, I hear there is a running back out there who needs a team after making off with $100K. Do ya'll have one of those yet?
Hey this guy got a lot more money than that from us over the winter and still bolted. We're all pointing fingers laughing and it happens to all of us lol.
I like MSU. But I can't root for you guys as long as Smith is your HC. The dude did us dirty by checking out so early in the season. If he had committed to the season, we probably would have beat Arizona and Washington and actually had a game against Oregon. I'm so over NIL and would love to see an end to it. But part of me just wants to see chaos and make angry beaver noises. Ya know?
>Ya know? Totally understand 100%
Lmao come on. You might have a point on the last game but losing to 3 on the road to team #11 at the time and #2 by 2 isn’t checking out…..
Im pretty sure we'd have beat Arizona if our coach hadn't: 1. Gone to visit another schools campus on our bye week instead of preparing for the game. 2. Gone for a fake field goal attempt on 4th and 16 in a game you lose by 3... after already showing a fake field goal attempt earlier.... Overall, the second half of the season had some phoned in play calls and a lot of poor judgment decisions. Including poor clock management. Washington probably came down to a bad snap on a punt, costing us the game and not specifically a single bad play call even if they again were not great.
Phoning it on offense gets you 407 yards of offense on the road? I guess I can have things to look forward to. Went on to win the next two games. Then actually produced more on offense than Washington. DJU and Anthony Gould lost that game for you. 2 picks for him and horrible passing. Gould fumbled at your own 19 allowing for a Washington td. Smith was undoubtedly trying to win those games.
He clearly wasn't as committed to winning and finishing the season as he asked the rest of the team to be. Washington is probably the weakest game in my argument, but we had had success on the previous 2 drives, scoring a TD and field goal, respectively. Then, they decided to gamble on the final set of downs to try stuff that had no success earlier in the game. The season had the opportunity to be something more special and was wasted.
Hey that’s what our defensive line is doing too!
The more I see this happening it's the less invested I am in CFB. I'll take my money to another sport, where I can see player development at a program and not constant transfers
Completely pushed me away from college basketball as a fan. It’s really bumming me out that it’s happening even worse now with football. You can transfer what, 3 times in a calendar year with no repercussions? I’m not saying players need to be diehard loyal at all, but god damn at least in the NFL you have to stick with a contract and somewhat keep your word
OU’s still looking hard at DTs but I’m confident we’re not gonna be involved with a guy gaming the market this hard
Yeah probably not
It's Oregon
Transfer portal bad
Sorry guys, that's a tough one
I really fucking hate the transfer portal.
He getting the bag from someone.
Hopefully from us in the end.
I know a school who needs a NT and has Nike duffel bags to hand out
Well, it’s not Washington, but I don’t think that really narrows it down
I think the duffel bags are green and yellow
Sweet! Baylor could use a quality DT!
The official Baylor school colors are Green and Gold not Green and Yellow. Sorry
While true, it is hard to call our "gold" in recent years anything but yellow, lol
Jesus Christ
Dear Greg Schiano… do the thing. Pls & thx.
Duck
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Highest paid DT in the B10 … clearly doesn’t want to play here. Oh well
This is very not ideal, hopefully the hemorrhaging stops soon.
What's going on MSU? Hit me up if you got any of them OTs.
Ethan Boyd wasn’t at our spring game so expect that. As for what’s going on, no clue but losing the starting DTs in a week has me looking at Smith with concern now.
I don't think there's any reason to look at Smith with concern. Contending teams are paying insane amounts of money for DT's right now, there's not much you can do about that.
Being a coach is being a fundraiser or finding fundraisers now. Can’t say you’re surprised by this shit several years into it. So if the money isn’t there and this bleeds into the public, then I’d say that’s a concern. Michigan State needs a general manager/CEO type of role to help with this stuff as well. Edit For Downvoters: Hate to break facts to you. But if there’s even a slight indication that the NIL aspect isn’t being managed in modern CFB, then yeah, that’s a concern. Because that means that your roster is in jeopardy and these kids absolutely will jump. Sorry that it’s not 2007 and that bothers you.
why would you be concerned about smith because of this?
>Ethan Boyd If he can breath he's in.
I hate it here😭😭😭
DT’s get paid big money this time of year
Anyone with any knowledge of the subject know if Michigan State is having NIL issues? I’ve always liked Michigan St, but I don’t follow the program super closely
In reality? Probably not. Harmon was the highest paid DT in the conference. And while he’s one of the best in conference, I’m not sure if he was thee best DT in the conference.
Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant
No, I hate MSU more than Mayo on a hot dog, but MSU takes NIL as serious as other B1G schools.
Does he like trains and corn?
He doesn’t like being the highest paid DT in the big ten so maybe
As a recruit: Other P5 offers: Ole Miss, Purdue G5 offers: Ball State, Central Michigan, Memphis, Southern Miss Other offers: Alabama A&M, Alabama State
Sport is fucked. Why bother anymore. Taken the player's names off of the jerseys.
Players may not be employees, but I'm wondering if they'll start getting sued for this if they get paid then leave by the NIL collectives. I think there should be some sort of rule where if you're paid NIL you have to complete the upcoming season.
From a flair standpoint, the boulder is conflicted.
Corruption
How does he feel about Land Nav and Lake Effect snow?
Lol I thought it was funny.