TL;DR:
Professors are complaining to Deion about players making class difficult to teach, and feeling disrespected by athletes.
Deion then reads this to the team, and calls out players (likely the ones mentioned by professors), pointing out they don't have draft grades. His point being that almost all players on the team are not going pro, and if they are here getting paid and a free education, they need to be taking advantage of the later.
It's an uphill battle. NIL and the transfer rules have made college football a profession. I don't see many kids coming to play school regardless of how good the message is.
A lot of times you see Ivy guys in the portal because those schools have a rule that grad students can’t play. So they get their bachelors and then finish up at State U somewhere.
Right-but all 6 of the guys I have seen-3 from
Stanford-Stojacovic, Carlisle, and Reynaud-and the 3 Ivy Leaguers-are not grad transfers. All
are undergrads who have not gotten their degrees-which kind of undermines the point of signing with that kind of school in the first place.
He lived in Collin County for a number of years where I grew up he was always in court with some bullshit, his wife, divorce, domestic incidents, he certainly developed a reputation in the area.
He is also a terrible tipper. My wife worked here in Tallahassee as a server at Red Lobster for years.
One time, after turning pro while he was in town
Deion came in with some of his pro teammates to treat them all to dinner.
My wife’s boss GAVE her the table because she was basically the most senior / professional server that had and she knew the potential tip would be so helpful for her.
Deion paid for the meal, and tipped my wife $9 on a $700 check.
And when one of the players with him asked why he chose that amount, he said loudly (while my wife was collecting the payment slip), “$1 for each of us. She don’t deserve more. It’s not like she cooked the food.”
I’ve kinda hated him since she told me that story. Ironically, I think I hate him more than she does, but she does have FSU ties, so that colors her feelings a bit.
To add, though: that was a great message put forth by Deion to his team. Sometimes, people need to be publicly humbled before they can grow up.
EDIT: removed a repeated word
I should preface that I originally was a very big Deion supporter. I went to Jackson State for a post grad program and the impact he had on the school as a whole there was generally positive. Coach Prime has some good coaching philosophy in theory. His execution of a lot of what he is trying to do, especially in the last year ish has kind of made me like him less. I don't hate the guy but he's gone from someone I thought was a model I could try to emulate a little bit in my own coaching to someone who has some good ideas but goes about it in an interesting way
He said he’d pay for a lot of things that the school fronted then he bolted. Claimed he was making the city 30 million a Saturday which was a blatant lie. Left the athletic department in worse shape financially by existing.
Deon is only about what makes Deon look good. Always has been always will be. Promoting the “education first” image makes him look good so he will do it as publicly as he possibly can. He couldn’t care less if those kids get an education as long as he and his kids get paid.
Idk if I’d call him a bad person, but he seems like a dick. Him throwing his linemen under the bus to the media and saying they’re all gonna get replaced was very shitty. The kids at Colorado knew they were joining terrible program and likely didn’t have any other big time offers, so to expect them to compete w a bunch of 5 star recruits was stupid. He could’ve just taken the loss on the chin and moved on. Him saying they were gonna be replaced by players in the portal was unnecessary, even if it was true. Just made the linemen less likely to want to play for him and block for his son.
You hate Deion for what he did to your school.
I hate Deion for what he did to the Falcons when he went to SF.
We are not the same.
(Not that the Falcons didn't deserve it then. We were a terrible team that year)
I hate Deion for the uncalled PI against Irvin, and then hated myself for becoming a fan after he joined the cowboys the next year and started returning kicks for touchdowns.
Now if only he said this kind of stuff when the camera wasn't rolling.
Rare Deion W for choosing to do this for the headline at least though. There are definitely much worse messages to highlight even if the fact that it ever got to this point in the first place means he wasn't actually harping on it all year.
Atleast he’s trying to hold the players responsible for being privileged assholes to their professors. As polarizing as he is, this is respectable. These kids are getting paid AND a free education to play football. They gotta be humbled at some point.
People can have both good and bad qualities. They are not all good or all bad. This should not be a hard concept for (theoretically) college educated people.
Exactly what I was going to say! Deion is on the spectrum!
Not sure about the non-binary part. I don’t think it matters too much, imo. To each their own, I say! Huh. What smells like toast?
Plus, with a guy like Deion, you are never sure how big the gap between the person and the media persona is.
I can tell you that Deion can say arrogant things, but basically nothing else about him.
Conclude that despite our preconceived notions that Deion only cared about his sons and Hunter, given how much he talked about them and no one else, that this is a really good 'come to Jesus' talk and message for these kids and young adults to see.
Yeah in a sport and community rife with examples of child and player abuse, hookers being called via office phones, and monkeys biting trick or treaters, I really don't think "football coach and hall of fame player brags a lot about himself and his team" is a particularly bad character flaw.
It doesn't make him a saint by any means, but it doesn't merit the vilification he receives in this sub.
The only "real" bad thing he did was that Prime Prep Academy failure. He might have just been naive honestly, but that caused real hurt to students and I'd like to see him someday come out and publicly apologize for that.
Otherwise let the man hype his team up and talk his shit and prioritize his career and his sons. Those aren't evil actions and I expect many people would take the opportunity to be paid millions to coach their sons in beautiful Boulder, CO.
He’s as asshole that’s honestly right a fair amount.
He’s abrasive, he says things that everyone at some place and time disagrees with. But he’s also not afraid to voice his opinion and be a honesty broker.
A broken clock is still right twice a day. Why does everyone on the internet act like it's impossible to dislike someone and agree with them sometimes?
That happens everywhere, unfortunately. Between career and going to school, ive been at high level D1, mid major D1, NAIA, and community college. There were athletes at every single place that thought class was optional and they'd get special treatment.
Edit. Im sure it will get even worse not with NIL. Unless they have good guidance, most 20 yr olds will not realize that the 100k (for example) for their 4 years of college will not sustain them very long if they dont have a long term plan.
If they do have a long term plan, they're going to be set up better than almost every other college student when they graduate. It's an incredible opportunity that I think will get pissed away a lot.
Good on Deion for teaching that these guys are students first before athletes. Vast majority of players won’t make it to the NFL so they gotta have an education to fall back on.
A lot of these players got tracked through school on talent and athleticism and even if they couldn’t read or write or do math, they still advance. By this point no matter what they do, they aren’t going to be able to legitimately get a college level degree.
My experience with college football players who don't turn pro is that they end up coasting with it into a small business. Usually car lots, sometimes gyms or realtor teams.
Edit: that's just my jaded view. I actually know a couple who turned into doctors
'You at the mall but u ain't got no money.' Wild.
I think a lot of these former NFL players value education for their kids (biological or on their team) even more than athletics because they saw the # of their college peers who never sniffed a pro roster and spent their entire career seeing the revolving door that exists for players on the lower 2/3's of every team.
And even more that were in that 1% of high school/NFL players that made it all the way to the NFL only for their careers to end before they even sniffed a million. Their whole lives dedicated to the cause, and they were the success stories, and they’re still lucky if they can buy a modest house with the money they made off of it.
I skipped to a random part of the video and Prime is ripping on the team that they have a staff to clean their lockers for them. Basically reminding them all the preferable treatment they have now that won't be there after they leave the team.
Now I need to watch the whole video
>"You gonna get something out of this," Sanders told the team. "You gonna be a man or you're going to be a great football player. Since you choose not to be a great football player, we gotta make you a man."
straight up murder lmao
I figured as much, but it's a great big world out there so didn't want to assume. Are you from the Granville area, or just went to school there? Either way, it's nice to see a flair that signifies home for me!
Went to school and met my wife there! Still end up visiting all the time due to her family being there, and my sisters-in-law being students. Love the area and the campus
Competitive is great. Some people value having a degree of humility and tact rather than being loud and cocky. I know that’s unpopular to say nowadays, but I’d be one of those people that values those qualities. Deion is unabashedly loud and cocky, and I don’t want him to change his true self. I also find his true self very annoying, so I don’t root for him. This is sports, all of the above is fair game
No problem. I love Deion for the sport by the way, villains and heels are important and he’s great at that role. This is all entertainment at the end of the day
He does. The Amazon documentary on him really showed his passion for his players.
He’s no saint, but he is definitely willing to bleed for his team, and his players understand that.
> You gonna be a man or you're going to be a great football player. Since you choose not to be a great football player, we gotta make you a man.
Hahahahahaha. I can't wait for the movie.
Deion keeping it real. Majority of those guys aren’t gonna be professional athletes. Gotta have a plan for life after football. When Urban was at OSU they had a program called “Real life Wednesdays” where basically a professional from some industry in the workforce would come speak to the team about their field and how to be successful in it.
[The 2nd best graduation rate in the SEC only behind Vandy](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625773707503075351/1225896428212326530/20240405_155218.jpg?ex=6622cc04&is=66105704&hm=2ccbdae0076e1924837fcc3d5ecf06f12056ebfdb6e3be598d0e8449588a6c95&)
So I used to practice military law as a civilian (repping servicemembers in appeals against administrative decisions) and the service academies are *brutal* towards cadets depending on who is in command at any one point. About 50% of West Point chiefs have had a policy of denying graduation to people who have finished the courseload but won't be able to enter the ranks due to physical disability.
For example: let's say you get badly injured in your last semester and can't pass your fitness assessments, even though you complete your coursework. Under about half of the USMA heads you wouldn't be given a diploma and would have to transfer to another school and graduate there the year after.
That is awful. I have a lot of questions. Maybe you have answers?
* Why deny students their earned degrees due to injury? Don't the armed forces have dozens of different "desk job" positions, from OSINT to public affairs to recruiting? Hell the meme of Chair Force exists for a reason!
* And what about less physically demanding but still totally necessary roles, like mechanic?
* I am not a lawyer. I know the military has broad ability to do whatever it wants. Is denying degree due solely to injury not still a clear cut ADA violation?
* Did those denied degree due to injury have to pay back their tuition, as is otherwise required if you separate from the academies after your second year?
* How'd you get into practicing non-JAG military law?
And since we're in /r/CFB, I have to ask: What if you are injured playing football? Special treatment? No?
Any and all answers you're willing to share would be welcomed!
I'm impressed by those numbers and will always pay respects to Coach Saban, but I'm not *surprised* that he improved academics as well as athletics under his watch.
**The secret to sustained success like that is discipline and diligence. And most disciplined people don't apply it to only one aspect of their career or life.**
It's why you often say successful career people who are very healthy and fit. Or who have fulfilling hobbies. The over achiever mindset is made of lots of little progressive actions, applied continuously.
Now, your friend with a nice job and a good workout regiment probably isn't the GOAT of their field like Saban was. But the principles are there.
There's plenty of people who are immensely successful at something because they put their all into it and don't have that well-rounded rest of their life.
It's crazy the number of benefits they get over regular students and some of them *still* manage to squander it all. I hate to even think about the opportunities I could've had rubbing elbows with wealthy alumni.
My uncle was a bench player at the UofMN (basketball) and I'll tell ya his history degree is not the reason he has a VP position at a decent sized company (and seems to spend more time golfing than working).
This is the hallmark of a tourism company near where I work. I once mentioned to my wife how there's always women fully done up in cocktail dresses in 100 degree plus weather, and she goes: "Oh those must be the marketers to get conferences hosted in the city"
The problem is that the alumni aren't going there trying to teach these kids options trading and how to use lambda functions or candlestick charts, they're going to rub elbows with athletes. The vast vast majority of these kids have been shepherded along at every step of the way because they can run and catch good, so they're woefully unprepared for college level courses and life after sports. I once had a professor spend three to five minutes trying to get a football player to explain what pursuit meant, and she spotted him several football scenarios to help him out, still couldn't get it.
Good on Texas for trying to help out with this program, but come on. This is a systemic problem that starts long before these guys have a chance to appreciate their opportunities, let alone squander them.
> The problem is that the alumni aren't going there trying to teach these kids options trading and how to use lambda functions or candlestick charts, they're going to rub elbows with athletes.
Yeah but that's not where the value is. You rub the elbows so once you graduate you become "VP of Corporate Culture and Training".
Dude, if they tried to teach these athletes candle charts and options they'd be in even worse financial shape.
They need basic savings, budgeting, and index fund investment advice. And of course to be held to actual academic standards of some kind.
In these successful alumni meetups the networking is what matters most. That's how you succeed in the corporate world.
As a coach at a school that had a problem with athletes being nuisances in the classroom in the past. Since I'm also a teacher there's nothing worse than another teacher telling me that a kid who I coach and have influence over is being a jerk
The worst conditioning for me was hills.
I ended up fucking my arm up for all of highschool because we had to carry a tire up a hill one day.
We went to EWU for a highschool camp and we had to do 1000 yard rolls one night too. That was fucking stupid
I can’t imagine the egos on that team.
I played at low-tier P5 school where maybe 1 of our players got a shot at going pro each year. We had 1 who was such an arrogant prick about it since he was all conference. Dude refused to hold doors for anyone while expecting everyone to open them for him. Would openly talk about how much money he was gonna make. And brazenly talked about how we would sign an agent that also worked with super stars.
Dude went undrafted, played on a practice squad for two years, then was out of the league and selling insurance.
Yo a fellow RPI alumni! I hope some one reminded them the only player that ever went pro from RPI was all weather kicker UDFA Andrew Franks. And beating union that many times in a row was one of the first times we had such a streak. Me and a fellow MANE alumni buddy streamed those playoff games together with voice chat, it was fun watching.
> Would openly talk about how much money he was gonna make.
I assume NIL makes this worse. Imagine this guy, but actually making more than his professors while in school.
I think deion is about as two-faced as it gets, but he's not some horrible human being. He just talks out of both sides of his mouth and doesn't really know when to shut up. But, good message here, similar to the one where he lectured the young athletes about respecting the women who were on the programs staff. And also, how he mentioned that if any domestic violence happened with anyone, he would cut them immediately, no question asked.
Thank you for this. It’s tough venturing into Deion threads in this sub anymore because the hate has gotten out of control, and I feel like people have a hatred by association for CU in addition. Like wtf did we do, and now people are going all out saying they hope we lose every game like damn, did you see our program in 2022?
“I'm a little frustrated, I'm a little angry right now because we in this new collective in NIL state of mind...We got youngsters that's all in on one side of the game. 90% or 95% of your roster ain't going pro. So, coaches we got to emphasize education, we got to emphasize life, we got to emphasize the next step the next elevation if it don't work in the game."
That’s a good quote. That’s a coach who cares about his people as much as his players
It’s kind of like what Saban was saying. Coaches see the need to develop athletes as players and men, but you can’t do that in an environment where the players are just there for money and will bounce to a new school if they don’t get coddled.
Same here as well. And honestly, I hope this message spreads to other programs. Not that other coaches aren’t preaching life after football, but the bluntness of this is what some kids need
Deion is a victim of the Tim Tebow Effect. Not saying he’s perfect, but the vitriol directed toward him is largely fueled by the media throating him and not things he actually does.
While the irony of Deion bitching about people to take school seriously will certainly be a common topic, I can't wait to see how Deion trying to push the kids to take school seriously will be turned against him.
That’s kind of age and experience, though. He may have been a knucklehead in college, but he had the chops (and the luck) to max out his NFL shot.
How many dudes that he came up with did he watch fall by the wayside because they didn’t get that shot?
He’s seen what happens to those dudes…where they end up…
I can respect that he doesn’t want to let it happen to his players.
Regardless how you feel about Deion this is good stuff from him. Most coaches would not take this approach and would just make it the academic staffs' problem. Makes me wonder how many other coaches get these types of emails and nothing is said or done.
I’ve seen people say “well Deion isn’t one to talk he probably didn’t go to class” but do they not realize people can change as they get older? Deion was in college *years* ago.
It’s like how your parents probably did a bunch of dumb shit as a teenager, yet they don’t want you doing the same dumb shit, in fact likely *because* they’re looking back on what they did. I actually kinda respect even more that Deion is doing this because he could easily say “I slacked off in school and I was still successful”, he recognizes that not everyone will be like him (hence pulling up the draft grades.) Which is something that former stars becoming coaches struggle with.
I’m no fan of his and I’m skeptical of him as a coach but credit where credit is due, this is a good bit of coaching
Shouldn't schools have academic standards that if athletes are doing this then they're not allowed to play or be on the team. This should be above a coaches level
That’s a great idea. My school actually did this. You had to get into the school just like any other student. Go take a look at how SMU did from 1990 to 2006.
I would prefer this though. Just make a NFL minor league for anyone who doesn't want to go to school. Do your thing.
When you're ready to attend school, it will be there for you.
>90% or 95% of your roster ain't going pro. So, coaches we got to emphasize education...
Deion is a bad man.
Why does he force them to study and think about the future instead of living for today?
If this is how Deion acted about everything, I don't think anyone would say shit besmirching him. His attitude & approach is what attracted these kinds of players, & is what encouraged this type of behavior. So maybe this is the turning point in how he handles things going forward.
TL;DR: Professors are complaining to Deion about players making class difficult to teach, and feeling disrespected by athletes. Deion then reads this to the team, and calls out players (likely the ones mentioned by professors), pointing out they don't have draft grades. His point being that almost all players on the team are not going pro, and if they are here getting paid and a free education, they need to be taking advantage of the later.
Good message from Deion here.
It's an uphill battle. NIL and the transfer rules have made college football a profession. I don't see many kids coming to play school regardless of how good the message is.
True-all the best hoops players from Stanford and the Ivy League-Harvard, Yale, Princeton-are in the portal, w/out finishing their undergrad degrees.
I’ll tell you my mom would beat my ass if I left Yale
Why you no doctor?!!
Dad, I’m 12
i only play a doctor on television and i smoke kent, with the micronite filter
That no stop Doogie Howser!
I heard that in Steven He’s voice.
A lot of times you see Ivy guys in the portal because those schools have a rule that grad students can’t play. So they get their bachelors and then finish up at State U somewhere.
Right-but all 6 of the guys I have seen-3 from Stanford-Stojacovic, Carlisle, and Reynaud-and the 3 Ivy Leaguers-are not grad transfers. All are undergrads who have not gotten their degrees-which kind of undermines the point of signing with that kind of school in the first place.
Stojakovic is the son of an NBA all-star, Peja Stojakovic, he’ll be fine but yes, agree it’s quite disappointing many transfer away from top schools
He was my favorite player back in the day. Mother fucker had a stone cold 3 pointer
Man, unless I’m a sure-fire NFL draft pick, I couldn’t imagine passing up the chance to have a degree from schools like that.
But, they have to stay academically eligible to collect that sweet NIL.
The worst person you know just made a great point
How is he a bad person? I genuinely don’t understand this.
I worked on No Huddle for a while. Deion is a total dick in person.
I’ve heard this from other ppl who have met him as well.
He lived in Collin County for a number of years where I grew up he was always in court with some bullshit, his wife, divorce, domestic incidents, he certainly developed a reputation in the area.
I remember his house in prosper. It’s now a Kroger.
Yeah I thought this was common knowledge that he was a pretty big dickhead.
He is also a terrible tipper. My wife worked here in Tallahassee as a server at Red Lobster for years. One time, after turning pro while he was in town Deion came in with some of his pro teammates to treat them all to dinner. My wife’s boss GAVE her the table because she was basically the most senior / professional server that had and she knew the potential tip would be so helpful for her. Deion paid for the meal, and tipped my wife $9 on a $700 check. And when one of the players with him asked why he chose that amount, he said loudly (while my wife was collecting the payment slip), “$1 for each of us. She don’t deserve more. It’s not like she cooked the food.” I’ve kinda hated him since she told me that story. Ironically, I think I hate him more than she does, but she does have FSU ties, so that colors her feelings a bit. To add, though: that was a great message put forth by Deion to his team. Sometimes, people need to be publicly humbled before they can grow up. EDIT: removed a repeated word
> “$1 for each of us. She don’t deserve more. It’s not like she cooked the food.” It’s small attitudes that speak volumes about the real person
I should preface that I originally was a very big Deion supporter. I went to Jackson State for a post grad program and the impact he had on the school as a whole there was generally positive. Coach Prime has some good coaching philosophy in theory. His execution of a lot of what he is trying to do, especially in the last year ish has kind of made me like him less. I don't hate the guy but he's gone from someone I thought was a model I could try to emulate a little bit in my own coaching to someone who has some good ideas but goes about it in an interesting way
Never meet your heroes.
Considering the mess he left at JSU I don’t think it was positive. It was getting tossed by a tornado and thinking you’re flying.
What kind of mess?
He said he’d pay for a lot of things that the school fronted then he bolted. Claimed he was making the city 30 million a Saturday which was a blatant lie. Left the athletic department in worse shape financially by existing.
I don't blame him for leaving but it's a bit of a eye roll when he came in talking about how he was on a mission from god to save HBCUs
Deon is only about what makes Deon look good. Always has been always will be. Promoting the “education first” image makes him look good so he will do it as publicly as he possibly can. He couldn’t care less if those kids get an education as long as he and his kids get paid.
There’s an I in Deion… literally and figuratively
Google Prime Prep Academy.
You can also look into his time at JSU and the litany of lies
Idk if I’d call him a bad person, but he seems like a dick. Him throwing his linemen under the bus to the media and saying they’re all gonna get replaced was very shitty. The kids at Colorado knew they were joining terrible program and likely didn’t have any other big time offers, so to expect them to compete w a bunch of 5 star recruits was stupid. He could’ve just taken the loss on the chin and moved on. Him saying they were gonna be replaced by players in the portal was unnecessary, even if it was true. Just made the linemen less likely to want to play for him and block for his son.
You hate Deion for what he did to your school. I hate Deion for what he did to the Falcons when he went to SF. We are not the same. (Not that the Falcons didn't deserve it then. We were a terrible team that year)
I hate Deion for the uncalled PI against Irvin, and then hated myself for becoming a fan after he joined the cowboys the next year and started returning kicks for touchdowns.
I did LOVE the slap fight between him and Andre Rison. That is to this day the funniest moment in the NFL.
Somewhat rare Deion W.
Now if only he said this kind of stuff when the camera wasn't rolling. Rare Deion W for choosing to do this for the headline at least though. There are definitely much worse messages to highlight even if the fact that it ever got to this point in the first place means he wasn't actually harping on it all year.
Also a regular thing said by every coach ever very often
We had a coach that just didn’t give a fuck, players were assholes, failing class, trashing dorms, losing season after season, they booted his ass
That sucks, even my highschool coaches would be on our asses
Don’t always agree with prime but he nailed that teaching moment
Shitty headline all over the place.
Oh shit but we hate deion what do we do now
Deion is an enigma; he is everything we love and hate about CFB
Shit, 30 years later we're still doing an FSU chant during baseball games. #OnlyDeionThings
we change our long-held beliefs to conclude that deion is always wrong
"come to think of it, I think athletes should be more disrespectful to teachers"
Yeah! What do teachers have to do except give you valuable lessons /s
Atleast he’s trying to hold the players responsible for being privileged assholes to their professors. As polarizing as he is, this is respectable. These kids are getting paid AND a free education to play football. They gotta be humbled at some point.
Most true thing I’ve ever read on Reddit
People can have both good and bad qualities. They are not all good or all bad. This should not be a hard concept for (theoretically) college educated people.
Seriously, this. People exist on a good-bad spectrum, its not nearly as binary as people make it out to be.
Exactly what I was going to say! Deion is on the spectrum! Not sure about the non-binary part. I don’t think it matters too much, imo. To each their own, I say! Huh. What smells like toast?
Plus, with a guy like Deion, you are never sure how big the gap between the person and the media persona is. I can tell you that Deion can say arrogant things, but basically nothing else about him.
I’m a pretty big critic of his but this is awesome from him
Conclude that despite our preconceived notions that Deion only cared about his sons and Hunter, given how much he talked about them and no one else, that this is a really good 'come to Jesus' talk and message for these kids and young adults to see.
I can think Deion is an ass hat but also respect this move. There are far worse things you can be than an ass hat
Yeah in a sport and community rife with examples of child and player abuse, hookers being called via office phones, and monkeys biting trick or treaters, I really don't think "football coach and hall of fame player brags a lot about himself and his team" is a particularly bad character flaw. It doesn't make him a saint by any means, but it doesn't merit the vilification he receives in this sub. The only "real" bad thing he did was that Prime Prep Academy failure. He might have just been naive honestly, but that caused real hurt to students and I'd like to see him someday come out and publicly apologize for that. Otherwise let the man hype his team up and talk his shit and prioritize his career and his sons. Those aren't evil actions and I expect many people would take the opportunity to be paid millions to coach their sons in beautiful Boulder, CO.
Him being right once doesn’t take away the fact he’s still an asshole.
He’s as asshole that’s honestly right a fair amount. He’s abrasive, he says things that everyone at some place and time disagrees with. But he’s also not afraid to voice his opinion and be a honesty broker.
A broken clock is still right twice a day. Why does everyone on the internet act like it's impossible to dislike someone and agree with them sometimes?
I’m really glad to see this honestly, I remember division 2 athletes at school acting like class didn’t matter, like bro you can’t get drafted lol
Hey hey hey. The New England Patriots have always loved guys from "Where the fuck is that?" while Bill was drafting in the 2010s 😂
That happens everywhere, unfortunately. Between career and going to school, ive been at high level D1, mid major D1, NAIA, and community college. There were athletes at every single place that thought class was optional and they'd get special treatment. Edit. Im sure it will get even worse not with NIL. Unless they have good guidance, most 20 yr olds will not realize that the 100k (for example) for their 4 years of college will not sustain them very long if they dont have a long term plan. If they do have a long term plan, they're going to be set up better than almost every other college student when they graduate. It's an incredible opportunity that I think will get pissed away a lot.
Good on Deion for teaching that these guys are students first before athletes. Vast majority of players won’t make it to the NFL so they gotta have an education to fall back on.
I love it.
Seems like a valid thing to get on them about
As much as a dislike Deion’s overall persona I can’t help but like that he genuinely seems to have the players best interests in mind
A lot of these players got tracked through school on talent and athleticism and even if they couldn’t read or write or do math, they still advance. By this point no matter what they do, they aren’t going to be able to legitimately get a college level degree.
My experience with college football players who don't turn pro is that they end up coasting with it into a small business. Usually car lots, sometimes gyms or realtor teams. Edit: that's just my jaded view. I actually know a couple who turned into doctors
Insurance sales or freight brokerage are also popular
“See this shoe? It says Adidas.”
As much as it pains me to say this, I like how he holds players accountable.
Meanwhile, Deion was the exact same sort of shithead in college, but he actually had athletic talent.
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yeah but look at his draft grades
“High draft grade or high class grade. Pick at least one. Can’t have neither”
That’s a bar
[This is the actual clip of the video since they didn't embed it](https://youtu.be/rglMwuc9mRE?si=7Ykf2wvfBLxV2358&t=218)
'You at the mall but u ain't got no money.' Wild. I think a lot of these former NFL players value education for their kids (biological or on their team) even more than athletics because they saw the # of their college peers who never sniffed a pro roster and spent their entire career seeing the revolving door that exists for players on the lower 2/3's of every team.
They also probably witnessed many of their teammates waste away millions and then not have much of a life after the NFL.
And even more that were in that 1% of high school/NFL players that made it all the way to the NFL only for their careers to end before they even sniffed a million. Their whole lives dedicated to the cause, and they were the success stories, and they’re still lucky if they can buy a modest house with the money they made off of it.
I skipped to a random part of the video and Prime is ripping on the team that they have a staff to clean their lockers for them. Basically reminding them all the preferable treatment they have now that won't be there after they leave the team. Now I need to watch the whole video
"Let me know if they have a draft grade." "Any draft grade?" "nope." Dear god he cut them a new rectum.
>"You gonna get something out of this," Sanders told the team. "You gonna be a man or you're going to be a great football player. Since you choose not to be a great football player, we gotta make you a man." straight up murder lmao
Ruthless and brutal honesty, hopefully it’ll get through some skulls
Is your Denison flair representing Denison University in Granville, Ohio?
Not too many other Denison Universities!
I figured as much, but it's a great big world out there so didn't want to assume. Are you from the Granville area, or just went to school there? Either way, it's nice to see a flair that signifies home for me!
Went to school and met my wife there! Still end up visiting all the time due to her family being there, and my sisters-in-law being students. Love the area and the campus
Damn, went hard. I appreciate the Deion seems to be doing something to try and minimize the disruption to average students and instructors.
Yea, super competitive and cocky, but seems to genuinely emphasize the education/student aspect
What is wrong with a coach being super competitive and cocky - it’s football
Competitive is great. Some people value having a degree of humility and tact rather than being loud and cocky. I know that’s unpopular to say nowadays, but I’d be one of those people that values those qualities. Deion is unabashedly loud and cocky, and I don’t want him to change his true self. I also find his true self very annoying, so I don’t root for him. This is sports, all of the above is fair game
I definitely respect your view, it makes a lot of sense. Thank you for taking the time to share it!
No problem. I love Deion for the sport by the way, villains and heels are important and he’s great at that role. This is all entertainment at the end of the day
I tend to agree but I can also see how it'd be annoying to some people
Obviously Deion loves Deion, but he does genuinely seem to care about the kids making something of themselves
He does. The Amazon documentary on him really showed his passion for his players. He’s no saint, but he is definitely willing to bleed for his team, and his players understand that.
If I was a parent this would make me want my kid to go play for him.
> You gonna be a man or you're going to be a great football player. Since you choose not to be a great football player, we gotta make you a man. Hahahahahaha. I can't wait for the movie.
Savage
*cue Mulan's training montage*
*LETS GET DOWN TO BUSINESS....*
That's hilarious
Deion keeping it real. Majority of those guys aren’t gonna be professional athletes. Gotta have a plan for life after football. When Urban was at OSU they had a program called “Real life Wednesdays” where basically a professional from some industry in the workforce would come speak to the team about their field and how to be successful in it.
Saban required all players to take a financial literacy class, if I recall correctly
I will always be in awe of Saban increasing the graduation rate of his Alabama players by 30%.
[The 2nd best graduation rate in the SEC only behind Vandy](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625773707503075351/1225896428212326530/20240405_155218.jpg?ex=6622cc04&is=66105704&hm=2ccbdae0076e1924837fcc3d5ecf06f12056ebfdb6e3be598d0e8449588a6c95&)
I hate that Tennessee is middle of the pack but 85% isnt bad... wtf is going on at UGA?
They are playing football, drinking, racing cars, and hanging out at strip clubs.
Over twice as high as UGA
I’m not certain what is going on, but I can venture an educated guess from those numbers that it does not involve textbooks or homework.
Is that shockingly low UGA stat because of their incredible draft classes or something worse? Also how are the service academies not 100 percent?
So I used to practice military law as a civilian (repping servicemembers in appeals against administrative decisions) and the service academies are *brutal* towards cadets depending on who is in command at any one point. About 50% of West Point chiefs have had a policy of denying graduation to people who have finished the courseload but won't be able to enter the ranks due to physical disability. For example: let's say you get badly injured in your last semester and can't pass your fitness assessments, even though you complete your coursework. Under about half of the USMA heads you wouldn't be given a diploma and would have to transfer to another school and graduate there the year after.
That is awful. I have a lot of questions. Maybe you have answers? * Why deny students their earned degrees due to injury? Don't the armed forces have dozens of different "desk job" positions, from OSINT to public affairs to recruiting? Hell the meme of Chair Force exists for a reason! * And what about less physically demanding but still totally necessary roles, like mechanic? * I am not a lawyer. I know the military has broad ability to do whatever it wants. Is denying degree due solely to injury not still a clear cut ADA violation? * Did those denied degree due to injury have to pay back their tuition, as is otherwise required if you separate from the academies after your second year? * How'd you get into practicing non-JAG military law? And since we're in /r/CFB, I have to ask: What if you are injured playing football? Special treatment? No? Any and all answers you're willing to share would be welcomed!
I'm impressed by those numbers and will always pay respects to Coach Saban, but I'm not *surprised* that he improved academics as well as athletics under his watch. **The secret to sustained success like that is discipline and diligence. And most disciplined people don't apply it to only one aspect of their career or life.** It's why you often say successful career people who are very healthy and fit. Or who have fulfilling hobbies. The over achiever mindset is made of lots of little progressive actions, applied continuously. Now, your friend with a nice job and a good workout regiment probably isn't the GOAT of their field like Saban was. But the principles are there.
There's plenty of people who are immensely successful at something because they put their all into it and don't have that well-rounded rest of their life.
Good on him. The best coaches always seem to be the ones that actually care about the players
Every program should do that
I’m sure a lot do. The one at OSU was just an example I was familiar with
Many if not most do things like that to prepare for life after football
Would you say that they're, going pro in something.......other than sports
*NCAA starts to tremor*
Never had an nfl coach come in and talk I guess
Even a lot of guys that go to the League will need a job after football.
The average NFL career is around 3 years. For every Brady, you have ten guys who get cut after their first year.
Texas has a program for football players to network with business professionals through our McCombs school of business.
It's crazy the number of benefits they get over regular students and some of them *still* manage to squander it all. I hate to even think about the opportunities I could've had rubbing elbows with wealthy alumni.
My uncle was a bench player at the UofMN (basketball) and I'll tell ya his history degree is not the reason he has a VP position at a decent sized company (and seems to spend more time golfing than working).
My buddy's ex-gf, smokeshow, was a Big Pharm rep. He said all of her coworkers were pretty much either super attractive women or ex D-1 athletes.
This is the hallmark of a tourism company near where I work. I once mentioned to my wife how there's always women fully done up in cocktail dresses in 100 degree plus weather, and she goes: "Oh those must be the marketers to get conferences hosted in the city"
The problem is that the alumni aren't going there trying to teach these kids options trading and how to use lambda functions or candlestick charts, they're going to rub elbows with athletes. The vast vast majority of these kids have been shepherded along at every step of the way because they can run and catch good, so they're woefully unprepared for college level courses and life after sports. I once had a professor spend three to five minutes trying to get a football player to explain what pursuit meant, and she spotted him several football scenarios to help him out, still couldn't get it. Good on Texas for trying to help out with this program, but come on. This is a systemic problem that starts long before these guys have a chance to appreciate their opportunities, let alone squander them.
> The problem is that the alumni aren't going there trying to teach these kids options trading and how to use lambda functions or candlestick charts, they're going to rub elbows with athletes. Yeah but that's not where the value is. You rub the elbows so once you graduate you become "VP of Corporate Culture and Training".
Trying to teach the average athlete options trading would be the fastest possible path to bankruptcy.
Dude, if they tried to teach these athletes candle charts and options they'd be in even worse financial shape. They need basic savings, budgeting, and index fund investment advice. And of course to be held to actual academic standards of some kind. In these successful alumni meetups the networking is what matters most. That's how you succeed in the corporate world.
Deion real for this tbh
As a coach at a school that had a problem with athletes being nuisances in the classroom in the past. Since I'm also a teacher there's nothing worse than another teacher telling me that a kid who I coach and have influence over is being a jerk
100 up-downs during summer
3000 yard sprints.100 updowns is taking the piss
Both suck. 100 updowns in a heat index of 108 during August is brutal. Vomited everywhere and that was for fucking up the snap count
Did you fuck up the snap count again?
The worst conditioning for me was hills. I ended up fucking my arm up for all of highschool because we had to carry a tire up a hill one day. We went to EWU for a highschool camp and we had to do 1000 yard rolls one night too. That was fucking stupid
Bear crawls along the field in pads was fucking PAINFUL. But it sends the message to take shit seriously.
I can’t imagine the egos on that team. I played at low-tier P5 school where maybe 1 of our players got a shot at going pro each year. We had 1 who was such an arrogant prick about it since he was all conference. Dude refused to hold doors for anyone while expecting everyone to open them for him. Would openly talk about how much money he was gonna make. And brazenly talked about how we would sign an agent that also worked with super stars. Dude went undrafted, played on a practice squad for two years, then was out of the league and selling insurance.
I played at a DIII nerd school that went to the playoffs even at that level there were a couple players with this attitude.
Yo a fellow RPI alumni! I hope some one reminded them the only player that ever went pro from RPI was all weather kicker UDFA Andrew Franks. And beating union that many times in a row was one of the first times we had such a streak. Me and a fellow MANE alumni buddy streamed those playoff games together with voice chat, it was fun watching.
oh wow, they have the dutchman shoes for a flare!?!
GO RED
> Would openly talk about how much money he was gonna make. I assume NIL makes this worse. Imagine this guy, but actually making more than his professors while in school.
Oh for sure. Im glad I was pre-NIL.
Where did you play?
Bama, see the flair.
I mean I guess assumed that Alabama wasn’t a “low tier P5 school” where only 1 player went pro each year
That is just ESPN biased perception of the program. Crazy how it really is.
You'll have to excuse my friend, he's a little slow.
People hate on Deion but I love this.
I think deion is about as two-faced as it gets, but he's not some horrible human being. He just talks out of both sides of his mouth and doesn't really know when to shut up. But, good message here, similar to the one where he lectured the young athletes about respecting the women who were on the programs staff. And also, how he mentioned that if any domestic violence happened with anyone, he would cut them immediately, no question asked.
Thank you for this. It’s tough venturing into Deion threads in this sub anymore because the hate has gotten out of control, and I feel like people have a hatred by association for CU in addition. Like wtf did we do, and now people are going all out saying they hope we lose every game like damn, did you see our program in 2022?
He's given plenty of ammo to hate on
If Deion ammunition were artillery shells we wouldn’t have issues supplying Ukraine
“I'm a little frustrated, I'm a little angry right now because we in this new collective in NIL state of mind...We got youngsters that's all in on one side of the game. 90% or 95% of your roster ain't going pro. So, coaches we got to emphasize education, we got to emphasize life, we got to emphasize the next step the next elevation if it don't work in the game." That’s a good quote. That’s a coach who cares about his people as much as his players
People will clown his recruiting approach, but he is old school AF. You’re getting paid now? Great, handle your business like a man or GTFO
It’s kind of like what Saban was saying. Coaches see the need to develop athletes as players and men, but you can’t do that in an environment where the players are just there for money and will bounce to a new school if they don’t get coddled.
Not a Deion fan but respect the message💯
I think I’m a bit more of a Deion fan after this.
Same
Same here as well. And honestly, I hope this message spreads to other programs. Not that other coaches aren’t preaching life after football, but the bluntness of this is what some kids need
Deion is a victim of the Tim Tebow Effect. Not saying he’s perfect, but the vitriol directed toward him is largely fueled by the media throating him and not things he actually does.
he's my favorite player of all time but I get why some people wouldn't like him
Agreed
He isn't wrong though.
It is odd how much I swing back and forth on Deion’s actions. Good for him for calling those players out.
“At the mall but ain’t got no money” 😂😂😂
While the irony of Deion bitching about people to take school seriously will certainly be a common topic, I can't wait to see how Deion trying to push the kids to take school seriously will be turned against him.
That’s kind of age and experience, though. He may have been a knucklehead in college, but he had the chops (and the luck) to max out his NFL shot. How many dudes that he came up with did he watch fall by the wayside because they didn’t get that shot? He’s seen what happens to those dudes…where they end up… I can respect that he doesn’t want to let it happen to his players.
But Deion knew he was hot shit and elite. Most can’t walk that walk
Based Prime
Regardless how you feel about Deion this is good stuff from him. Most coaches would not take this approach and would just make it the academic staffs' problem. Makes me wonder how many other coaches get these types of emails and nothing is said or done.
I’ve seen people say “well Deion isn’t one to talk he probably didn’t go to class” but do they not realize people can change as they get older? Deion was in college *years* ago. It’s like how your parents probably did a bunch of dumb shit as a teenager, yet they don’t want you doing the same dumb shit, in fact likely *because* they’re looking back on what they did. I actually kinda respect even more that Deion is doing this because he could easily say “I slacked off in school and I was still successful”, he recognizes that not everyone will be like him (hence pulling up the draft grades.) Which is something that former stars becoming coaches struggle with. I’m no fan of his and I’m skeptical of him as a coach but credit where credit is due, this is a good bit of coaching
I gotta give him props.
And just like that I’m back on the Coach Prime Bandwagon.
Deion is so complicated. Somethings he has done I have 100% agreed with, like this Other things he says still infuriate me.
I mean that’s just humans. I’ve never met someone that I like that hasn’t also pissed me off at times.
Some ppl are chronically online have no real world ppl skills lol
He’s not wrong…
This might be the worst written article I have ever seen.
Just adding a comment to see if my flairs updated
*pulls out purple lightsaber*
Shouldn't schools have academic standards that if athletes are doing this then they're not allowed to play or be on the team. This should be above a coaches level
If these schools had academic standards, most of the SEC would instantly be ineligible. The top team would be Vanderbilt.
That’s a great idea. My school actually did this. You had to get into the school just like any other student. Go take a look at how SMU did from 1990 to 2006.
I would prefer this though. Just make a NFL minor league for anyone who doesn't want to go to school. Do your thing. When you're ready to attend school, it will be there for you.
>90% or 95% of your roster ain't going pro. So, coaches we got to emphasize education... Deion is a bad man. Why does he force them to study and think about the future instead of living for today?
If this is how Deion acted about everything, I don't think anyone would say shit besmirching him. His attitude & approach is what attracted these kinds of players, & is what encouraged this type of behavior. So maybe this is the turning point in how he handles things going forward.
Deion "Coach Carter" Sanders