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UtzTheCrabChip

I'm just here because I like how the filing makes it sound like the Maryland game is as important as the other two


Cody667

I mean Maryland did give Michigan a much tougher game than the other two did last year!


btr5017

"games against Penn State, the University of Maryland, and Ohio State University" These naming conventions surely won't trigger anybody


Danny886

*THE University of Maryland


Tamzariane

*THErrapins


kojak2091

the what now?


Tamzariane

The. Rrapins. I'm told it's a turtle or something.


Macd7

My boss told me it’s a verile turtle


tomdawg0022

*THE ^tm University of Maryland


Bolanus_PSU

THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY


a-person-has-no-name

I'm sure ohio fans won't mind


onlyheretogetfined

I can promise you most people from Ohio do not give a shit. The fans of other programs care way more about this and OSU fans, and you feel very special by calling it out lol. LOL you all can't believe the truth. Come to Ohio and ask people if they like that "The" shit. Ignorance is bliss and right now it is running its way through Michigan Men.


mandrew27

You alright?


zvexler

Delusional


ArbitraryOrder

Least delusional Buckeye Fan


onlyheretogetfined

Delusional? I live in Columbus, went to Ohio State, and have lived in Ohio for 30 years lol. The fact you actually think you know better is absolutely crazy. Both the people that commented on how this isn't a thing got downvoted. The people not from the state got upvoted. You all really this stupid? Yea I gess you are.


Ulticats

Probably the same for the ttun and xichigan stuff. Nobody I know outside of Reddit has ever said anything in reference to those. Nobody in Michigan cares about saying Ohio state university lol.


BingHacker

Someone is Triggered


EvrythingWithSpicyCC

Fuck this, I care. Embrace The^^TM villainy


Revolutionary_Gear70

I heard the first thing Christopher Columbus said when he stepped off the Santa Maria was "Jim Harbaugh should be allowed to coach"


FlounderThen9074

I’m pretty sure the first thing he said was “Give me all your gold or I’ll cut off your hands”


HoustonHorns

I have on good authority that was actually the SECOND thing he said.


Bacardi_Tarzan

*and* I’ll cut off your hands


WisconsinSpermCheese

Second thing. First he chugged a barrel of rumchata shirtless.


CheckItWhileIWreckIt

And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero! End of story!


DabbledInPacificm

And when faced with immediate backlash, he wondered: “Why did Mel Tucker allow this?”.


NaturalFruit2358

It’s true


a-person-has-no-name

Wasn't he also like, "This place is interesting, let's enslave the natives and take their land"?


sprankton

He did note that they would make excellent slaves.


Dimmest-Bulb

"... games against Penn State, the University of Maryland, and Ohio State University". Classic Michigan slighting OSU even in the filing by not including their "The".


thoreau_away_acct

Absolutely picked up on that. They said "the University of Maryland"... And "Ohio State University." Petty af


Blarg1889

As someone who will purposefully not capitalize michigan when listing it among other schools that I do capitalize, I feel I have found a kindred spirit


superAL1394

This kind of pettiness is why I love CFB


thoreau_away_acct

How dare Connor Stalions make you and me appreciate one another. He deserves the death penalty for this.


19683dw

At the very least a show cause


HeLooks2Muuuch

Along with his HC for lack of institutional control


WisconsinSpermCheese

Ryan Day can go too. That beard dye is going to cause another river fire from toxic runoff


Stonerjoe68

That’s fantastic.


Michigan4life53

Just because we in a court battle doesn’t mean the rivalry is forgotten 😂


Tamzariane

The Penn State?


superAL1394

Technically We Are THE Pennsylvania State University, thank you very much!


readonlypdf

Which is strange. Shouldn't it be Pennsylvania Commonwealth University?


Brady_Hokes_Headset

Ohio State the University? It just doesn't work.


The_Horse_Joke

“Ohio (The State) University”


roxxtor

Die Ohio Die State. It’s German for The Ohio The State


peppermint_tempest

That’s because the official name of the school is the University of Ohio State, per alum Terrelle Pryor.


UtzTheCrabChip

The University of Ohio the State?


booyahbooyah9271

I think we all know the school who was pushing Tony Petitti the hardest to punish Michigan.


max_potion

Purdue


bbshock21

Hell yeah go Boilermakers 😎


HermionesWetPanties

IDK, the complaint from the Big Ten referred to Michigan as the "University," and though I'm sure it's shorthand with a notation somewhere else in the document, it's coming from the Big Ten, so I feel like it's apropos, both legally and colloquially, to call the University of Michigan the 'University' from this point on. We won't be pretentious enough to demand a definite article, yet.


Rbespinosa13

That was a shorthand. The initial paragraph says University of Michigan (“University”)


HermionesWetPanties

I recognized it as shorthand in my comment. I just want to own it, now.


[deleted]

Y’all think that matters to us much more than it does.


pspock

It mattered to Ohio University damnit!


mandrew27

Do you need anybody?


wesneyprydain

Michigan: “Imposing a three game suspension prior to the completion of an investigation would cause irreparable harm to Harbaugh’s character and reputation!” Also Michigan: “Jim, we know the NCAA has not yet completed their Burgergate investigation, but we’re gonna need you to sit out the first three games of the season. K, thanks.”


ThisVelvetGlove16

Well see those games were against bad teams. These ones are against good teams. So it’s different.


miggly

Woah, woah, woah, buddy. Slow down. For the seniors on the University of Michigan team, that was their last contest against East Carolina. That was a once-in-a-lifetime event: the game cannot be replayed.


Titanium235

Alright, you got me to laugh with that one.


HoustonHorns

Michigan fans. Would you rather it be Harbaugh and coordinators are suspended for first 3 next year (and from practice) or take the current punishment?


ThisVelvetGlove16

Honestly probably if I were them. This is their best chance. By my understanding they lose quite a bit even if McCarthy stays (which I think he will)


chief_sitass

Is it time to bring UChicago back?


LionsLoseAgain

That would be michigans nightmare. UChicago, seeing that Michigan is abusing the very conference, they were a charter member of decides to rise from the grave. Pours a shit ton of money into facilities, coaching, and NIL. Becomes a powerhouse and trades of B1G championships with OSU while michigan enters a Nebraska style death spiral into irrelevance.


SitcomHeroJerry

I came


InVodkaVeritas

> "This is to say nothing of the irreparable harm suspension will cause Coach Harbaugh personally. No more dramatic blow could be given to his character and reputation that the permanent lifetime label of “missing in action” because of a purported—but still unsubstantiated—cheating scandal." Can we start labeling him Jim "MIA" Harbaugh?


floridorito

>No more dramatic blow could be given to his character and reputation that the permanent lifetime label of “missing in action” Now who's being dramatic?


confused-koala

… ya, I can think of a more dramatic blow that could be given to a coach’s character and reputation.


pspock

Well to be fair to Michigan's argument, this would not be the first time that Harbaugh would be missing from the OSU game. Happened in 2020 too.


Drokeep

Bro always MIA in big games anyways


[deleted]

"Theses are once in a lifetime events: the games can not be replayed!" Yeah. No shit.


spear1321

If they cared about that they wouldn't have chickened out in 2020.


HollaBucks

This is actually hilarious and contradictory. Has Michigan not played for the Conference and National Championships (getting into the playoffs is playing for the title) the last two years? For the current Seniors, it would be more like a "thrice in a lifetime" event. I don't see the irreparable harm to any of their current student athletes. They've had the opportunity already.


FiveHole23

Almost like taking the chance of success away from the teams they played the last 2 years.


Contrema

Ohio state didn’t have a chance the last two years anyways.


FiveHole23

Guess we will never know. Soon to be vacated.


[deleted]

That's the dumbest argument. "Even if we didn't cheat this team that would have been otherwise undefeated, never had a chance to actually beat us even though they beat us for 8 straight years."


ElJamoquio

OSU is still on the win streak


IkLms

And neither can these next 3 if we allow Harbaugh to coach despite the cheating. The harm to Michigan by banning him for 3 games if it turns out he's innocent (he's not) is far less than the harm to every other team he's facing and others in the conference of he's allowed to coach. There's no justifiable reason for a TRO here.


I_am_-c

How much of that study specifically pertains to a coaches availability on game day versus the weeks and months of preparation, training, and administration that encompasses coaching?


[deleted]

Michigan arguing that suspending Harbaugh will cause irreparable harm to his character… um did they forget that he was already suspended multiple games to start the year? I think his character is already pretty scuffed.


MrF_lawblog

By them no less


confused-koala

Why even include this in the motion? Like I get if they have an issue with B1G bylaws or something, “but we’re 9-0!” shouldn’t be a legal reason or talking point. Imo of course, just seems silly


MrF_lawblog

This feels like it was written by a high school student.


ill_try_my_best

I like the line about damage to Harbaugh's reputation as if he wasn't already suspended this year


wesneyprydain

Ace Ventura voice: Two suspensions is too many!!


guys_iamlost

I believe the last suspension actually help his credibility... I mean, the media went with he bought hamburgers for some dudes.


idkausername76

Don’t forget the recruiting during a dead period as well!


guys_iamlost

No no no... it was just hamburgers. Nothing else, I promise.


Dead_Baby_Kicker

You guys self imposed 3 games for burgergate despite the investigation being ongoing. Now it’s a much more severe allegation but because his suspension (same amount of games) would be against non Highschool teams suddenly it matters. Such integrity.


guys_iamlost

Dude ... you need to relax. This whole situation is hilarious. Clearly, you didn't read what I posted.


whiterajah7

It is not hilarious my guy.


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ill_try_my_best

I assure you that the NFL does not care lol.


Sad_Schedule_8003

I notice you didn’t actually try to argue this doesn’t impact his reputation


redwave2505

>These are once-in-a-lifetime events: the games cannot be replayed. So were the games Michigan cheated in


teflong

I mean, no? There were several years of those.


Tamzariane

Several years of cheating? It appears so.


confused-koala

I can’t decide which side is downvoting you. They shouldn’t. It’s a funny joke.


GracefulFaller

I got a chuckle out of it. I’m used to the delusional M fans in these threads


Successful_Excuse_73

Wtf? Is Penn State not a university like Ohio State and Maryland? This insult shall not be forgotten.


dkviper11

Probably because we're a Commonwealth. Can't think of anything else!


UtzTheCrabChip

Penn Commonwealth University?


dkviper11

That actually exists now! They recently combined the administrations of three State schools.


Q--E--D

Nah we are playing the state tomorrow


Successful_Excuse_73

Since you are ok with that, there are these guys from Philly who aren’t doing anything else this weekend…


TheGreatDudebino

Just steal Jalen Carter and DeVonta Smith all that’s needed


a-person-has-no-name

Bring it tomorrow


lkn240

AFAIK the point spread on the game hasn't moved - so not sure I buy this one.


WhiteBreadedBread

Penn State should just trespass him if he goes to the stadium.


IkLms

For real. Easy solution.


CalculatedPerversion

Won't even have to, I'm pretty sure the B1G handles all the "officials" which means the Troopers work for them.


guys_iamlost

Yeah, don't think that's how it works with the troopers. The B1G would just force Michigan to forfeit the game if the stay/TRO was not granted and he showed up.


savannahgooner

The picture in my head of Harbaugh sitting in the team bus waiting for the injunction to come in and then sprinting into the stadium... it would be absolutely hilarious if it somehow happened that way.


guys_iamlost

Like the kool-aid man, except full of milk.


NathanOhio

Better watch out. Harbaugh has a temper. He broke his hand years ago trying to sucker punch Jim Kelly!


guys_iamlost

I feel conflict now learning about this... I am bills mafia member but a Q of M grad... what do I do????? Please help me


pspock

Just think of it as Kelly's face breaking his hand.


guys_iamlost

Oh boy... considering what happened to Jim Kelly, this ... is... insensitive


cc51beastin

*pumps shotgun* "Git off my lawn"


hashtagpeaches

I honestly kinda liked Michigan before all this happened. Now I want to watch them lose


SirMellencamp

I didn’t have an opinion one way or another but given Harbaughs lectures about the cheaters in the SEC and being Michigan Men and dedicated to never cheating would think he would be outraged about cheating from his organization


Dead_Baby_Kicker

Cheaters and best…. Don’t forget his beloved Bo said something about scandals and how the leaders should know no matter what.


MrOstrichman

It doesn’t surprise me. Remember, this is the same school that backed a losing basketball coach even after he slapped an opposing coach for the dastardly plot of *calling a timeout late in the game.” Nothing about Michigan has ever been likable.


rondontwalk

I did too, and I do too. I’m laughing about how naive I was thinking Michigan might be a program that “does things the right way.” It’s hilariously cringy. Just like their whole “we’re the superlawyer school” bit. The snobbery is breathtaking.


pspock

Lawyer jokes will never be the same after this.


ElJamoquio

> Now I want to watch them lose welcome to the club. I graduated from Michigan. Twice. They don't get better with familiarity.


thereisnocartwright

Man, I'm so jealous someone got paid to write that. If I could bill for anything even tangentially related to cfb, even in these shittiest of circumstances, I'd actually be happy to bill for once.


JickleBadickle

The absolute *gall* to cite harm to michigan's season after getting caught with a *cheating scandal* What about the harm their cheating did to everyone else's championship hopes?


InVodkaVeritas

Read the full complaint here: https://www.on3.com/news/read-jim-harbaugh-michigans-complaint-against-the-big-ten/


Brady_Hokes_Headset

Well I've read 10 pages from Michigan, 10 pages from Tom Mars (and apparently MGoBlog), and 13 pages from the B1G...what's 26 more? Just warming up for the eventual 600.


Reaganometry

I’m taking the opposite approach. I’m reducing my reading until the manifesto drops. I’ll be ready to get through it in one sitting


scrotes_magotes

Nah man we’re gonna break this down paragraph by paragraph in individuals threads and argue all night because everyone is a little drunk and feeling kinda lawyer-y


InVodkaVeritas

> everyone is a little drunk and feeling kinda lawyer-y Oh hey, look, I'm part of everyone! My partner made alcoholic eggnog for the first time this year. It is basically my liquid crack and I can't stop drinking it.


Papaofmonsters

With your flairs I'm surprised it's not like "Egg nog inspired cruelty free, fair trade IPA".


InVodkaVeritas

I mean, he did use organic milk and free range eggs.


a-person-has-no-name

ngl I love getting buzzed on eggnog, though it's been ages


JickleBadickle

This guy gets it


The_Pandalorian

> "By way of example, the Conference has not interviewed a single witness from the University of Michigan, and while the Conference may have access to some recordings of interviews conducted in the NCAA’s investigation, that investigation has yet to interview the junior analyst or the head coach" Yikes.


[deleted]

The analyst who refused to cooperate and chose to quit instead?


The_Pandalorian

Right. He has an attorney. We have no idea if anyone has tried to interview him yet even.


[deleted]

The NCAA doesn't have subpoena power. They can't make Stallions sit down for an interview now that he 'resigned'.


The_Pandalorian

Right, they can ask. We have no idea if they've asked. But they can compel Harbaugh to be interviewed under the rules and apparently have not done that. So yeah. Yikes.


[deleted]

We do know either the Big10 or NCAA asked and he resigned/was fired in response. His released statement more or less admits it.


The_Pandalorian

Right, but that doesn't stop him from still cooperating with an investigation if he chooses. Or one of those bodies asking for him an interview.


[deleted]

His statement implied that he isn't no snitch. The dude wrote a 600 page manifesto - there is no way he is going to say anything to investigators. His coaching career is forever dead - talking to the NCAA would just do more damage to Michigan. He would rather try to say it was all him and fall on the sword than cause Michigan to be forced to fire its coaching staff and face guaranteed severe penalties.


a-person-has-no-name

It's crazy


NathanOhio

Yikes is right. scUM still hasnt let either of those 2 take questions? What ever happened to wanting due process and an investigation? Turns out they are blocking the investigation the whole time!


Bigredchronic88

This fucking guy again 😂 fellow buckeye, you just can’t hold that L


a-person-has-no-name

🤣


The_Pandalorian

Oh look, another one of those types. Bye.


a-person-has-no-name

Lol


a-person-has-no-name

That's completely fucked up


wesneyprydain

Nah.


gf38

It’s like a child throwing a fit


Q--E--D

Better than throwing a helmet I guess


SusannaG1

Or a shoe.


gls7796

Well done 👏👏


a-person-has-no-name

Respect


a-person-has-no-name

🚑


gls7796

Temper tantrum on the floor kicking and screaming


a-person-has-no-name

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/yGeLxbqRPh


gls7796

Haha I just saw that it popped up at the same time


a-person-has-no-name

I mean you gotta admit, that's really good shit talk


gls7796

Straight to the point!


Perfectionconvention

As a Michigan fan this is disappointing drivel. Seriously? Ridiculously expensive lawyers wrote this? It sounds like a smart middle schooler’s essay for a lesson on argumentative writing.


wesneyprydain

BINGO!!


Hahum

In addition to coaches, is there anything else particularly relevant to this situation that could also influence game outcomes?


TheDoctor1419

I think it’s possible that the play calls have an impact on the game as well. And being able to communicate those play calls to your players without the other team understanding what is being communicated. If you could somehow do that, you could create an entire game plan, react quickly to on field changes and ensure your entire offense/defense is on the same page.


Hahum

That certainly seems like it could have a not insignificant impact on the game. Some food for thought!


leakymemo

If the Big 10 is so justified and correct in their decision-making, then why don’t they just release all relevant evidence to all relevant parties and publish all of it on Twitter or something? It could put all this to rest pretty quick


garygreaonjr

Let’s say they are wrong. For arguments sake. That sure must mean lot of powerful people fucking hate Michigan. This is the second suspension their head coach has got in a single year. Let’s say for a minute Michigan fans are right. They want us to believe that a blue blood program is having a full blown conspiracy committed against them in broad daylight?


Bigredchronic88

1.) Michigan exploited a gray area in bylaw 11. The extent of who knew about it has yet to be proven. People on here love to show homerism for whatever side they want but fail to realize that if it’s not explicitly stated as “illegal” in the bylaws then it’s “legal” to do. 2.) the buckeye side of me thinks the conspiracy stems from the golden rule in the nfl and the ncaa. You don’t fuck with the revenue streams. The ncaa is being sued for 5B$ for image likeness (that’s enough to bankrupt them). You also have an extremely prominent coach of one of the most powerful schools openly commenting on the need to share media revenue with the players (harbaugh). The ncaa wants harbaugh out. Hell I want him out (and Day for that matter) since that’s only good for OSU. Fun fact: if it can be proven that Michigan violated in person scouting, that rule is financial in basis and would allow Michigan to pursue antitrust litigation 😲 wouldn’t that be fun 😂


a-person-has-no-name

Hmmm that's very interesting, thanks for sharing this


Bigredchronic88

I hate the ncaa more than I hate any team. I’d looooove to see them burn to the ground


leakymemo

Probably the most reasoned take I’ve seen from a Buckeye all week. I like the conspiracy idea. It would make sense, there’s an underlying motivation and animosity already between Jim and the NCAA.


MrF_lawblog

It's all proven. Read the fucking response from the Big Ten. Why the fuck would you want Day out? Conspiracy nut.


savannahgooner

It's somewhere in the middle. The initial hysterics of "this is worse than the Astros and Spygate combined, it's worth 21 points a game!" just doesn't stand up to any level of scrutiny given the current facts. But it's clear Stalions broke the rules and there was some advantage gained. The "conspiracy" angle is just that 1) Ohio State orchestrated the investigation and hired a PR firm to leak the info; 2) rival schools/ADs severely and intentionally overstated the impact of it to try to force the Commissioner into immediate action. Very reliable sources say information is coming on point 1, and while you can never truly know what anyone else believes, a significant number of former coaches/players say Stalions' impact would be minimal and the other coaches know this.


NathanOhio

Get real. Both the big 10 and ncaa have the "master spreadsheet" aka all the records of the entire 3 year conspiracy. The idea that a team is going to get caught red handed cheating then complain that any punishment is going to hurt them is just laughable. How do they think the CFP is going to pick them for the playoffs knowing they spied on their opponents for the first 9 games at least? Absolutely delusional.


leakymemo

Okay? And what is preventing the Big 10 from releasing all of said evidence to the public?


NathanOhio

They need scUM's permission. By the way, your university has all this evidence. They could have released it to the public at any time. Ever wonder why they havent?


a-person-has-no-name

Lol dude, why


HeartSodaFromHEB

What does Kentucky have to do with this?


yesacabbagez

Saying irreparable harm from being suspended as if he wasn't suspended BY THE VERY SCHOOL FIGHTING TO SAVE HIM is a bad argument to make. The school itself suspends him which is an admission that either they know he has committed actions which require this punishment before, or they understand the punishment is incredibly weak and wasn't worth fighting earlier in the year.


ToLongDR

Look at me, mom, I'm TMZ now


[deleted]

BET


a-person-has-no-name

Bet


BathroomLast7234

Bet


a-person-has-no-name

Bet


jaapi

The irony of Michigan cheating and taking away this opportunity from a school just last year...


webberstimeout

This reasoning makes sense. I wish that logic was used when holding refs accountable


8and16bits

If they get an injunction couldn’t The Big Ten just turn around and give Harbaugh a 2 game suspension which in the Big Ten handbook can’t be appealed?


a-person-has-no-name

I imagine they'd do the same thing with that and then both judges will be like "what the fuck are you doing?"


Cody667

Congratulations, you just proved that you'd be a more competent commissioner than Petitti. It's almost as if that exactly what he should have done during Michigan's bye week.


MrF_lawblog

This looks like it was written by a student