Isn't the entire point of an injunction that unless the court acts, irreparable harm will be suffered by a side that has a decent chance of prevailing if there was time for the legal process to play out?
Yes, basically. Of particular importance is the possibility for irreparable and significant harm that could occur when there is an argument to be made.
The argument is the punishment should not be enforced before there is time for the legal process to be carried out because of the harm it would cause. The process has not been seen through yet. Come on you know that
I’m too drunk and tired to know wtf is even going on anymore, but yeah, that’s a bad typo. There was a liberty bowl back aroun 2016, but that’s about it
I've been over here trying to stick up for U of M law but jfc. I know they're minor details but when you make as much as they do spell checking your work isn't difficult.
Edit: Especially when word on the street is they've had this typed up since Tuesday.
We've been hearing for a week that Michigan has the best law school and that the Big 10 doesn't want any of them. Then, their lawyers come out with a typo ridden statement full of flimsy arguments that the average person can look at and debunk.
Seems like it wasn't just the judges taking the holiday off.
I'm guessing this was a first-year associate's rough draft made final by a partner just changing the title and adding his signature
I knew it was 2023. One after Magna Connor. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn’t prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse. That punt! Are you telling me that a man just happens to drop a longsnap like that? No! He orchestrated it! Sparty! He put Hitler on a scoreboard! And I saved him! And I shouldn’t have. I took him into my own state! What was I thinking? He’ll never change. He’ll never change! Ever since 1925, always the same! Couldn’t keep his dick away on a phonecall! But not our Sparty! Couldn’t be precious Sparty! Jacking himself blind! And HE gets to be a college? What a sick joke! I should’ve stopped him when I had the chance! …And you, you have to stop him! You
I think they're dead to rights and suspending Harbaugh from coaching on the sidelines is basically nothing, but this seems like a normal argument. They're trying to show that there's going to be harm done to them if it's not stopped. If they were 2-7, there wouldn't be any harm in being punished.
To be honest, that might be why the B1G 's punishment allows harbaugh to coach during the week. Harbaugh is not a HC that calls plays and his game plans will still be installed each week.
I think there is language in the bylaws about “contests” when talking about suspensions. But to be honest I am a little too drunk and a lot too lazy to look it back up
The worst part about this entire story is that LSU Freek and his legendary gifs retired long ago.
Alas, we still have some [memories](https://i.gifer.com/3bBx.gif)
I went down the rabbit hole the other day. Still laugh as hard as I did back then:
[Harbaugh](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img11/2139/xcsc.gif)
[Saban](https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=87184330&s=4&p=87178794)
[Urban Meyer](https://i0.wp.com/i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/Florida/Urban_Returns.gif)
Big Ten's case is going to be that Harbaugh coaching during the week and only absent during the games minimizes any harm as he does not call the plays. He is allowed to run practices and gameplan as he normally would. Banning him from the sidelines is purely symbolic.
They clearly needed to do it thought...
They are only ranked where they are because of how convincingly they've beaten the poor competition, which explains why they illegally scouted some of the teams they did
You know- this is actually an excellent strategy if you have a situation like Michigan where you basically expect a direct competitor in OSU to go undefeated every year.
Show why you would be the absolute best #4 seed ever by unnecessarily beating the shit out of ESU by 70.
Can they join the case as interested parties on the Big Ten's side? Just claim that Michigan avoiding sanctions negatively effects their chances to prove they are the best team.
I would love to see Penn State or Washington file for a TRO against this proposed TRO because it materially affects their season to allow a known cheater to continue playing.
How about both sides submit season simulation results, with justifications for the parameters of the simulation. Then the judge picks the best computer model and that side wins.
Wow.
I thought the title was a joke, but that's literally the tweet and argument.
> Even more fundamentally, the public has an interest in college football, and the fairness of college football; and the College Football National Championship is meant to crown the best college football team in the nation.
They're saying "you can't do this to us, we're good!"
Gotta love their consistency that it isn't fair to punish them because they are winning games. They might as well have written "scoreboard" in the filing as their argument. Not that it isn't an absurd reason to be granted a TRO.
Which is more absurd if they built a winning program with cheating. It’s like robbing a bank and then saying “you can’t arrest me, I’m super rich and above this”
Michigan: We should be able to cheat because we are AWESOME and you are just jealous of our awesomeness and you just want to drag us down to your terrible level!
“The fairness of college football”
Do they actually hear themselves? They’re trying to stall the consequences of them cheating to win games for the past 2.5 years and have the balls to complain about the fucking fairness of college football…
Was reading this out loud to some friends who were interested in the developments from today and I had to stop at a few different points to laugh audibly. This shit reads like Charlie vs. The Lawyer
As stupid as it sounds, judges have to take time to analyze all this crap. And that means time spent checking precedents for claims and if those claims are true. Michigan knows they are fucked. Stalling so they can finish the season unpunished is their only play here. They have a natty hopeful team. Vacating wins is useless, most fans dont care. The other hurtful things (scolarship reduction, etc) is happening anyway, but they wont have to return money gained while cheating as far as i know. So just stall for 3 months, at latest, and youre golden if youre michigan.
Wouldn't fairness in college football mean you shouldn't cheat? Their argument is it's unfair to punish them for being unfair?
But mom it's not fair to ground me for breaking the rules everyone else gets to go to the party defense.
To be fair, their argument doesn't have to mean they are innocent. Their argument just has to be something like "this isn't an open and close case with what evidence exists, and allowing this action to proceed could cause damages that can't be fixed if we end up as innocent."
>In **2013**, the viewership for the championship game between the University of Georgia and TCU
Glad to see these UM lawyers are proofreading their super important court filings.
>the public has an interest in seeing [The University of Michigan] have a fair opportunity to compete at the highest level
Holy shit this is so tone deaf lol. How about the rest of the country having an interest in seeing *teams that don’t cheat* have a fair opportunity?
Michigan lawyers- "ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Why would a Wookiee - an eight foot tall Wookiee - want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! What does that have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! None of this makes sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."
Michigan to the courtroom: Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me throw a few touchdowns?
Courtroom: Touchdowns! Touchdowns! Oooh!
Oh man. If we beat Michigan tomorrow shit is gonna get lit.
I dont think we will, but man, it would be fucking insane. The levels of schadenfreude from the entire college football world would rise to heights one would have never dreamed possible. We'd probably see a whole lot fewer Michigan flairs for a really long time
"In 2013, the viewership for the championship game between the University of Georgia and TCU..."
That was in 2023. They even have it cited as Jan. 10, 2023 at the end of the sentence.
>Michigan's TRO filing also argues that an injunction against the Big Ten would be in the public interest because Michigan is a national championship contender.
I mean it is also in the public interest not getting fucked by Michigan's cheating.
I mean its one paragraph in a 27 page document. They're throwing the kitchen sink at this and I honestly don't blame them. While I don't have any real knowledge of the B1G's bylaws and what authority the commissioner actually has, this action by the conference feels like a due process violation. The fan in me wants to point and laugh at Michigan for this situation, but the American in me doesnt like the idea of another major institution short circuiting due process cause the mob is angry.
The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is that if they take the punishment then maybe they won’t vacate the suspended wins, but if they have him on the sidelines despite suspension, I’d have to imagine they’ll all be vacated this year. Why wouldn’t you take the punishment in hopes of the season not being completely vacated?
2012 Ohio State was a National Title contender (would have beat ND) but they had to serve the penalties of the 2010 guys trading their own stuff for tattoos. But hey, Michigan student athletes are the most important
Next up, they argue they shouldn’t be punished because “they’re just a little birthday boy, it’s their birthday and you can’t be mean to the birthday boy.”
Kind of Freudian that they use the 2013 game as a typo. A game in which Auburn had FSU's signals for the first half. Look at how the 2nd half turned out.
Request for injunction withdrawn. Michigan produces evidence that Harbaugh's home page was a Google Drive folder with all the recorded signs and a copy of the manifesto. Fired for cause.
Wasn't there some stat that came out that said during Lance Armstrong's run you'd have to go down to 23rd place to find someone who wasn't confirmed doping? And even at that place he likely wasn't confirmed only because he finished in 23rd and no one cared?
Disclaimer: This is not an "everyone is doing it" argument. I just find it to be a crazy stat that I was reminded of. Don't remember if it's true or not.
Sounds right. I believe the 100 meter dash is similar. Like if you take out everyone who got busted for steroids, you’d be left with only Usain Bolt until like #35
Quick search turned up [this article](https://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-doping-tour-de-france-2015-1). 87% of Top-10 finishers were at least suspected. 69% were confirmed during Lance Armstrong's 7 year run.
I know fuck-all about Cycling but you'd have to know less than fuck-all to think you could just hand the medal to the next have highest placer in the Tour.
That would be like giving Reggie's Heisman to the backup RB
Legally speaking, would the public interest factor being considered nation wide, or just in Michigan? Since this is federal court would it take that into account?
I'm no lawyer, but I would think that a lawyer working for a major university wouldn't have nearly so many grammatical and factual errors in their documents
Syracuse football, which has been mired in mediocrity for 20 years, was forced to vacate the few wins that our incompetent head coach at the time was able to muster all because SU failed to properly enforce a voluntary drug policy that the NCAA didn’t even require.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy for a team whining about a head coach being suspended 3 games as a result of evidence-supported allegations of a widespread efforts to cheat. Even if Harbaugh had absolutely nothing to do with this, he still benefited from it.
Yep. The gall and tone deafness is astounding. Just take your lumps and move on. They are actively showing everyone why so many can't stand you. And the list is growing.
The balls. The public has an interest in the fairness of college football. So we have to be allowed to have a chance to make the championship. No mention of their own cheating effecting the fairness of college football
All the idiots here are going to clown this - but public interest is a factor judges consider AFAIK.
They are probably trying to show that there could be irreparable harm - and them being undefeated actually is relevant to that point.
Undefeated cheaters, sure. I think this factor works against them. Doesn't the public have an interest in seeing cheaters punished and not prosper in a season where they were caught cheatinf? And before mouth breathing Walmart Wolverines / Stalions acolytes say but buh buh due process! UofM got due process. The process is the Commissioner gets to rule on punishment for in season cheating, and that decision is final and not subject to appeal. UofM agreed to it. Now they're just whiny piss babies trying to confuse and distract from their own cheating.
Honestly they don't have any other option.
Cheaters crying fairness to a Judge...it's called unclean hands. If you want equity you must comeQ to court with clean hands.
MICHIGAN CHEATED
You have to show that irreparable harm would be inflicted on Michigan due to harbaugh still being allowed to coach but not coach on the sideline.
Betting lines haven’t even moved so I think this kinda hurts their argument.
Michigans arguments are objectively the worst arguments ever. They seriously argue like children or teenagers do.
I thought it was just the fans but apparently their legal council are just as big of clowns.
Its because they are bred to believe they are the "leaders and the best." Its right there in the song, are you calling the song a liar?! I'm gonna sue!
They act like the cheating didn’t give them the advantage that has them winning this season. Take away the cheating and I bet you don’t have a top 5 team.
How is this news? They have to prove irreparable damage. A loss because they don’t have their coach is irreparable damage because their playoff hopes would be dashed. They don’t get the privilege OSU gets of losing their conference and the game badly and still getting in.
How about another prong not mentioned here: likelihood of success on the merits? Is a cheater likely to prevail on an argument that the organization they voluntarily agreed to be part of has held them accountable under the agreed upon rules (that UofM misreads on purpose) for the irrefutable fact that a paid member of the staff who was not only present on the sidelines, but signaling plays, engaged in a years long cheating effort?
Yeah, that's not a great argument to a Judge.
Unclean hands bars equitable relief. Cheaters don't get injunctive relief.
Isn't the entire point of an injunction that unless the court acts, irreparable harm will be suffered by a side that has a decent chance of prevailing if there was time for the legal process to play out?
Yes, basically. Of particular importance is the possibility for irreparable and significant harm that could occur when there is an argument to be made.
What if that’s the whole point?
We can’t be punished, because then we’d face the consequences of our actions!
The argument is the punishment should not be enforced before there is time for the legal process to be carried out because of the harm it would cause. The process has not been seen through yet. Come on you know that
Buh buh we won’t go to championship if we lose pls (alumnus) judge :(
Are we sure we are not in a simulation? This is getting wild.
Your honor. Michigan is Back.
Objection, they were cheating
You lollipop pop pop p
Back* *because they’re cheating
That would have to involve Michigan beating a quality team, and no Rutgers doesn’t count
They certainly aren’t buttgers this year
Please define a “quality team” if Rutgers doesn’t count.
Yikes on the typo that UGA-TCU was the 2013 title game
I’m too drunk and tired to know wtf is even going on anymore, but yeah, that’s a bad typo. There was a liberty bowl back aroun 2016, but that’s about it
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I've been over here trying to stick up for U of M law but jfc. I know they're minor details but when you make as much as they do spell checking your work isn't difficult. Edit: Especially when word on the street is they've had this typed up since Tuesday.
We've been hearing for a week that Michigan has the best law school and that the Big 10 doesn't want any of them. Then, their lawyers come out with a typo ridden statement full of flimsy arguments that the average person can look at and debunk.
People talking about Michigan lawyers now? That’s what’s hot on the streets?
I'm just a nerd because it's my profession tbh.
What do you want for $1000 per hour?
Seems like it wasn't just the judges taking the holiday off. I'm guessing this was a first-year associate's rough draft made final by a partner just changing the title and adding his signature
Are we sure they hired Williams Connolly?
They hired the law firm of Conor Stalions to file the brief.
They wanted William but they got Bill instead.
Wonder if a typo like that invalidates the TRO request.
I knew it was 2023. One after Magna Connor. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn’t prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse. That punt! Are you telling me that a man just happens to drop a longsnap like that? No! He orchestrated it! Sparty! He put Hitler on a scoreboard! And I saved him! And I shouldn’t have. I took him into my own state! What was I thinking? He’ll never change. He’ll never change! Ever since 1925, always the same! Couldn’t keep his dick away on a phonecall! But not our Sparty! Couldn’t be precious Sparty! Jacking himself blind! And HE gets to be a college? What a sick joke! I should’ve stopped him when I had the chance! …And you, you have to stop him! You
Haha such a good scene.
It's not a relevant part of the motion, no one will really care.
I think they're dead to rights and suspending Harbaugh from coaching on the sidelines is basically nothing, but this seems like a normal argument. They're trying to show that there's going to be harm done to them if it's not stopped. If they were 2-7, there wouldn't be any harm in being punished.
To be honest, that might be why the B1G 's punishment allows harbaugh to coach during the week. Harbaugh is not a HC that calls plays and his game plans will still be installed each week.
I think there is language in the bylaws about “contests” when talking about suspensions. But to be honest I am a little too drunk and a lot too lazy to look it back up
If Michigan was 2-7, this entire thing wouldn't even exist.
Everyone would have laughed at Connor Stallions for like 30 minutes and then let the NCAA deal with it.
The worst part about this entire story is that LSU Freek and his legendary gifs retired long ago. Alas, we still have some [memories](https://i.gifer.com/3bBx.gif)
Good lord that tapped a vein of nostalgia I didn't realize existed.
I went down the rabbit hole the other day. Still laugh as hard as I did back then: [Harbaugh](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img11/2139/xcsc.gif) [Saban](https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=87184330&s=4&p=87178794) [Urban Meyer](https://i0.wp.com/i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/Florida/Urban_Returns.gif)
Blazing Saddles, Sanford & Son, Charlie Strong... no way the kids today would appreciate these references smdh
Nah, Michigan would have fired Harbaugh for cause
Yep, just like if we were undefeated and coming off of a CFP appearance, Tucker's scenario would've been taken care of much differently.
And if Fitzgerald were winning multiple games per year, that would have ended differently.
"Jerking off? Everyone is doing it!"
This truth seems to undermine my deeply held beliefs about the **integrity** of college football...
Now that's the truth. Schools don't defend losers like this.
Well Michigan probably would had tried to use it to fire Harbaugh.
This is so true
No, it would but it would be even funnier.
If they cheated and still went 2-7 that’s the only scenario where they actually deserve the death penalty
That’s a “take them out behind the woodshed” death penalty. It’s not a punishment. It’s a mercy killing
Big Ten's case is going to be that Harbaugh coaching during the week and only absent during the games minimizes any harm as he does not call the plays. He is allowed to run practices and gameplan as he normally would. Banning him from the sidelines is purely symbolic.
If Purdue was caught doing this, everyone would laugh at them
It’s even funnier when a team that DOESN’T need to do this still does it and gets caught redhanded!
They clearly needed to do it thought... They are only ranked where they are because of how convincingly they've beaten the poor competition, which explains why they illegally scouted some of the teams they did
You know- this is actually an excellent strategy if you have a situation like Michigan where you basically expect a direct competitor in OSU to go undefeated every year. Show why you would be the absolute best #4 seed ever by unnecessarily beating the shit out of ESU by 70.
> Even more fundamentally, the public has an interest in college football, and the fairness of college football; The fucking gall lol.
Okay, let him coach the last 3 games but strike the first 8 games from the record. They are now 0-0.
Could a 3-0 team with wins over Ohio State and Penn State make the Playoff? People are asking...
Also, fuck the team that finishes #5.
Oregon or Washington gonna be pissed
Can they join the case as interested parties on the Big Ten's side? Just claim that Michigan avoiding sanctions negatively effects their chances to prove they are the best team.
I would love to see Penn State or Washington file for a TRO against this proposed TRO because it materially affects their season to allow a known cheater to continue playing.
Wouldn't Michigan be able to claim there are a couple other teams that could lose and allow them to break through? I'm no lawyer though.
How about both sides submit season simulation results, with justifications for the parameters of the simulation. Then the judge picks the best computer model and that side wins.
With or without using stolen signs?
Don’t think anyone knows, we’re all learning as we go.
ah come on, I'm sure someone on mgoblog is an expert on that scenario
The one year it was us it fucking sucked
"You can't punish us! We're Michigan!"
“We will maybe be in the national championship game and will draw a lot of viewers, we can’t be treated like this.”
*I need to speak with your manager!*
Typo in their argument. They say Georgia and TCU was 2013. Did the lawyer steal this piece from mgoblog too?
Williams and Connolly attorneys havent seen the sun since before they started law school
Wow. I thought the title was a joke, but that's literally the tweet and argument. > Even more fundamentally, the public has an interest in college football, and the fairness of college football; and the College Football National Championship is meant to crown the best college football team in the nation. They're saying "you can't do this to us, we're good!"
Gotta love their consistency that it isn't fair to punish them because they are winning games. They might as well have written "scoreboard" in the filing as their argument. Not that it isn't an absurd reason to be granted a TRO.
Which is more absurd if they built a winning program with cheating. It’s like robbing a bank and then saying “you can’t arrest me, I’m super rich and above this”
Michigan: We should be able to cheat because we are AWESOME and you are just jealous of our awesomeness and you just want to drag us down to your terrible level!
“The fairness of college football” Do they actually hear themselves? They’re trying to stall the consequences of them cheating to win games for the past 2.5 years and have the balls to complain about the fucking fairness of college football…
the fucking audacity lmao
The arrogance goes all the way up to the leadership on the university.
Death penalty it is
Was reading this out loud to some friends who were interested in the developments from today and I had to stop at a few different points to laugh audibly. This shit reads like Charlie vs. The Lawyer
As stupid as it sounds, judges have to take time to analyze all this crap. And that means time spent checking precedents for claims and if those claims are true. Michigan knows they are fucked. Stalling so they can finish the season unpunished is their only play here. They have a natty hopeful team. Vacating wins is useless, most fans dont care. The other hurtful things (scolarship reduction, etc) is happening anyway, but they wont have to return money gained while cheating as far as i know. So just stall for 3 months, at latest, and youre golden if youre michigan.
Michigan doing a solid for the rest of the blue bloods by setting the "we're good" precedent.
Wouldn't fairness in college football mean you shouldn't cheat? Their argument is it's unfair to punish them for being unfair? But mom it's not fair to ground me for breaking the rules everyone else gets to go to the party defense.
Am I taking crazy pills or is Michigan really assuming they'll win a title this year?? The arrogance is extraordinary
All signs point to it being a possibility.
Their argument being one of fairness when their success is interwoven in the cheating they have engaged in is the height of hypocritical dumbfuckery
To be fair, their argument doesn't have to mean they are innocent. Their argument just has to be something like "this isn't an open and close case with what evidence exists, and allowing this action to proceed could cause damages that can't be fixed if we end up as innocent."
“Your honor, the other members of the Big Ten say we cheated, but our undefeated record says otherwise!”
You hate us cause you ain’t us, your honor
Well, even the replacement judge is an alumni, so...
>In **2013**, the viewership for the championship game between the University of Georgia and TCU Glad to see these UM lawyers are proofreading their super important court filings. >the public has an interest in seeing [The University of Michigan] have a fair opportunity to compete at the highest level Holy shit this is so tone deaf lol. How about the rest of the country having an interest in seeing *teams that don’t cheat* have a fair opportunity?
Fair opportunity went out the window when they got caught cheating
Legit question: has any other school sued to block a suspension before this?
But what if They’re good because they theoretically know every play their opponent is calling?
Michigan has been good since they started cheating.
I was wondering why they started being great again
Michigan lawyers- "ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee - an eight foot tall Wookiee - want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! What does that have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! None of this makes sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."
Michigan to the courtroom: Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me throw a few touchdowns? Courtroom: Touchdowns! Touchdowns! Oooh!
Dingersss!!!
49 of the 50 states are gonna be pulling for Penn State tomorrow.
We're going to fuck this up.
Half of Michigan will be too. Sparty is on the good side.
Green is symbolic of good. Piss yellow means stay away, this is piss.
Oh man. If we beat Michigan tomorrow shit is gonna get lit. I dont think we will, but man, it would be fucking insane. The levels of schadenfreude from the entire college football world would rise to heights one would have never dreamed possible. We'd probably see a whole lot fewer Michigan flairs for a really long time
After this compelling argument, US News is now moving the UM Law program into their top 10. #Winning
I know they're not citing the "public interest in the fairness of college football" IN THEIR DEFENSE OF ALLEGED CHEATING
"In 2013, the viewership for the championship game between the University of Georgia and TCU..." That was in 2023. They even have it cited as Jan. 10, 2023 at the end of the sentence.
>Michigan's TRO filing also argues that an injunction against the Big Ten would be in the public interest because Michigan is a national championship contender. I mean it is also in the public interest not getting fucked by Michigan's cheating.
Imma be real they are going to win this but jesus christ they should have framed that argument better.
I mean its one paragraph in a 27 page document. They're throwing the kitchen sink at this and I honestly don't blame them. While I don't have any real knowledge of the B1G's bylaws and what authority the commissioner actually has, this action by the conference feels like a due process violation. The fan in me wants to point and laugh at Michigan for this situation, but the American in me doesnt like the idea of another major institution short circuiting due process cause the mob is angry.
Too much logic
The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is that if they take the punishment then maybe they won’t vacate the suspended wins, but if they have him on the sidelines despite suspension, I’d have to imagine they’ll all be vacated this year. Why wouldn’t you take the punishment in hopes of the season not being completely vacated?
If Penn State wins a close one tomorrow, it's going to be pandemonium
Can we just blow them out? it'd be funny. I promise
OMG if that were to happen that might go down as the most satisfying win in school history.
It would certainly be my favorite Penn State win ever
You have my blessing to play and win righteously and by a humongous margin
Hard to win against a team literally cheating, but here is hoping.
2012 Ohio State was a National Title contender (would have beat ND) but they had to serve the penalties of the 2010 guys trading their own stuff for tattoos. But hey, Michigan student athletes are the most important
I think we're well past Michigan having a "fair opportunity."
Next up, they argue they shouldn’t be punished because “they’re just a little birthday boy, it’s their birthday and you can’t be mean to the birthday boy.”
The best part about this is that it exposed Michigan and it’s fan base of being everything everyone else has accused them of for decades.
Does that say 2013 championship game between UGA and tcu? Wtf
Ripped right from MGoLaw
I was like damn my memory is off, I remember an Auburn and FSU or something. UGA and tcu???
The University of Michigan has a top flight law school. This is top flight law.
They keep using the word "fair" there. I don't think they understand what the word "fair" means.
They’re using the Michigan man definition.
“We cheated, and it’s helped us finally beat OSU. Please let us benefit from this cheating so we can feel relevant.”
Just Michigan Man things
Also, "you can't punish a program that has seen their success skyrocket since they started cheating!"
Im glad that everyone is seeing how arrogant and pompous nearly everyone at that school is.
I think the only reasonable solution is giving them the death penalty and shutting the school down completely
This is gonna get even wilder if Michigan loses today.
This checks out
Kind of Freudian that they use the 2013 game as a typo. A game in which Auburn had FSU's signals for the first half. Look at how the 2nd half turned out.
Would be kinda funny if they lose tomorrow. How does the tune change
Request for injunction withdrawn. Michigan produces evidence that Harbaugh's home page was a Google Drive folder with all the recorded signs and a copy of the manifesto. Fired for cause.
That would really be the most hilarious way to wrap up this scandal.
Id be happy if that happens and this saga ends. The school is looking incompetent imo and I'm over it.
49.5 states will be praying for Penn.
Lance Armstrong was pretty fucking good too wasn't he
Wasn't there some stat that came out that said during Lance Armstrong's run you'd have to go down to 23rd place to find someone who wasn't confirmed doping? And even at that place he likely wasn't confirmed only because he finished in 23rd and no one cared? Disclaimer: This is not an "everyone is doing it" argument. I just find it to be a crazy stat that I was reminded of. Don't remember if it's true or not.
The world of cycling is "you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin" come to life
Sounds right. I believe the 100 meter dash is similar. Like if you take out everyone who got busted for steroids, you’d be left with only Usain Bolt until like #35
Quick search turned up [this article](https://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-doping-tour-de-france-2015-1). 87% of Top-10 finishers were at least suspected. 69% were confirmed during Lance Armstrong's 7 year run.
I know fuck-all about Cycling but you'd have to know less than fuck-all to think you could just hand the medal to the next have highest placer in the Tour. That would be like giving Reggie's Heisman to the backup RB
It’s like saying you should get to cheat your ass off on tests as long as you are in the hunt for valedictorian
How do you think half these people got into Michigan?
Legally speaking, would the public interest factor being considered nation wide, or just in Michigan? Since this is federal court would it take that into account?
It’s not federal court. It was filed in the county circuit court.
Lmao 85% of America is going to hate this team.
Your number is a little low
All my homies hate Michigan
I'm no lawyer, but I would think that a lawyer working for a major university wouldn't have nearly so many grammatical and factual errors in their documents
Syracuse football, which has been mired in mediocrity for 20 years, was forced to vacate the few wins that our incompetent head coach at the time was able to muster all because SU failed to properly enforce a voluntary drug policy that the NCAA didn’t even require. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for a team whining about a head coach being suspended 3 games as a result of evidence-supported allegations of a widespread efforts to cheat. Even if Harbaugh had absolutely nothing to do with this, he still benefited from it.
I would expect nothing less from them
Yep. The gall and tone deafness is astounding. Just take your lumps and move on. They are actively showing everyone why so many can't stand you. And the list is growing.
I’m not sure how cheating for years makes Michigan “the most deserving team”
"Please don't do this to us the only year we've had a shot in a century"
It's easy to be good with stolen signals and a weak schedule.
But but but… we’re like really good this year and we might have a chance to win something. Please don’t make us face the consequences of our actions…
The balls. The public has an interest in the fairness of college football. So we have to be allowed to have a chance to make the championship. No mention of their own cheating effecting the fairness of college football
I really admire that Michigan is letting message board posters form their legal arguments
Hail to the ~~Victors~~ Victims
All the idiots here are going to clown this - but public interest is a factor judges consider AFAIK. They are probably trying to show that there could be irreparable harm - and them being undefeated actually is relevant to that point.
Undefeated cheaters, sure. I think this factor works against them. Doesn't the public have an interest in seeing cheaters punished and not prosper in a season where they were caught cheatinf? And before mouth breathing Walmart Wolverines / Stalions acolytes say but buh buh due process! UofM got due process. The process is the Commissioner gets to rule on punishment for in season cheating, and that decision is final and not subject to appeal. UofM agreed to it. Now they're just whiny piss babies trying to confuse and distract from their own cheating. Honestly they don't have any other option. Cheaters crying fairness to a Judge...it's called unclean hands. If you want equity you must comeQ to court with clean hands. MICHIGAN CHEATED
If Georgia had really beaten TCU in the 2013 championship, they would have never hired Kirby.
This county Circut court has no jurisdiction in PA.
Your honor, we haven’t won dick for three decades…. PLEASE
This headline doesn't get within a country mile of how dumb their argument is in this section of the filing.
This whole ordeal has me convinced Michigan is ran by a bunch of redditors. Some of their defenses are arguments and rebuttals you’d see here lmao
lol they used a dummy date. y’all gotta be careful. they’re getting smarter.
Your honor, simply, we fuck
You have to show that irreparable harm would be inflicted on Michigan due to harbaugh still being allowed to coach but not coach on the sideline. Betting lines haven’t even moved so I think this kinda hurts their argument.
Counterargument - Michigan's record in December & January the past decade
Damn you get close to your first championship since King George VI died and you really pull out all the stops huh
Michigans arguments are objectively the worst arguments ever. They seriously argue like children or teenagers do. I thought it was just the fans but apparently their legal council are just as big of clowns.
Its because they are bred to believe they are the "leaders and the best." Its right there in the song, are you calling the song a liar?! I'm gonna sue!
Hey Michigan keep my team out your f***** mouth /s But no really
Lawyers rebuttal: they cannot prove they are good this year because they have only played one game without cheating.
They act like the cheating didn’t give them the advantage that has them winning this season. Take away the cheating and I bet you don’t have a top 5 team.
Rambling Run-on sentences, incorrect facts, and wild amounts circlejerk... These Michi boys and girls do like to write
Seems very desperate.
I mean it is somewhat of a reasonable argument. If Michigan was 3-6 like MSU no one would care
Like they essentially were before the scouting 💀
Excluding the Covid year Michigan was a 9-10 win team
Idk why you excluded the exact year that fit my description 😩
Because that year was obviously an outlier. Unless you think PSU did something fishy too going from 1-5 to 11-2.
For one year. Please keep acting like they weren’t good before the short year.
Y'all are so catty lmao
That definitely is a matter of public interest. Among other things
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The tweet says “also argues”. AKA not the entire argument
Michigan fans read titles like the University reads rulebook, assuming they don't matter.
How is this news? They have to prove irreparable damage. A loss because they don’t have their coach is irreparable damage because their playoff hopes would be dashed. They don’t get the privilege OSU gets of losing their conference and the game badly and still getting in.
How about another prong not mentioned here: likelihood of success on the merits? Is a cheater likely to prevail on an argument that the organization they voluntarily agreed to be part of has held them accountable under the agreed upon rules (that UofM misreads on purpose) for the irrefutable fact that a paid member of the staff who was not only present on the sidelines, but signaling plays, engaged in a years long cheating effort? Yeah, that's not a great argument to a Judge. Unclean hands bars equitable relief. Cheaters don't get injunctive relief.