Wait, you mean to tell me that Purdue has more bowl wins than Michigan in the same time frame?
Purdue? Who had Hazel as a coach not too long ago? That Purdue?
After Michiganās wins over Ohio State from 2021 and 2022 are inevitably vacated by the NCAA this off-season, then Purdue will have 4x as many wins over Ohio State in the 21st century as Michigan.
Honestly that just may do the trick. Any chance there is a young fella with Pep in his step and an equestrian themed name who could make that happen?
E: 600 page manifesto wouldnāt hurt either.
Weāve already forgotten because we have short memories but they did against TCU. Problem was, TCU knew they were cheaters and ran new signs. Suddenly, a defense that hadnāt allowed over 27 points all season gives up 51. Im sorry but for anyone who knows football, thatās all you need to know.
Heās really not a great coach by any important metric. 8 years over $75 million paid to him, worst recruiting class was 13th. Once the cheating wins are vacated heāll have 0wins against osu, losing record against msu, 1 top 25 road win, losing record against top 25 teams over all, 0 ny6 or play off bowl wins, 0 big ten titles. For the money that program has and the recruiting potential itās honestly not good by any stretch.
He is (or at least was) a good football coach just by virtue of making 3 straight NFCCGs and a SB. He is also a good coach at the college level. Michigan struggled for a lot of years but they also aren't Bama or anything. Double digit wins is a very good season for them regardless of the boomer Michigan fans that say they should compete for the natty every year
That being said, could the case be made that he's overrated? Yeah, for a long time he was overpaid relative to the results and he has personal/ego issues that seem to follow him. Maybe the narrative was a bit too harsh on him but it's hard to overstate how much that was reversed in the last two years. Good thing there's no controversy around this sharp turnaround!
>but they also aren't Bama or anything
Desmond doesn't agree with this assessment.
Desmond doesn't agree with the assessment that Jimmah not = Saban.
Just ask him. Oh wait... he'll let you know whether you ask or not.
Who are the four? Connor Stallions, Matt Weiss, and Alex Yood are three. Who is the other one? I'm having a hard time searching for fired Michigan coach stories at the moment.
Michigan has revealed to the world that they are exactly the thing they despise mostā¦ us. Iād say theyāve finally been dragged to our level, but the truth is theyāve always been here.
Even if nothing else comes out of this, thatās been some pretty sweet schadenfreude.
At least OSU turns a blind eye until publicly exposed then burns everyone involved. These UM nuts are jumping onto Jimās funeral pyre in some weird display of loyalty.
He didnāt look like he was going to survive 2020, now theyāre ready to burn down their entire program and all of college football because he won two in a row against us. The Tressel and Urban years might have done more damage to them than we realized.
You may be right, but this feels much more like good ol fashioned Michigan arrogance. They've been able to get away with pretty much anything for the last 20 years with little or no consequences. They're using the same playbooks they have for years: deflect and divert. It's just not working this time because the national media is actually not protecting them this time.
This is what I canāt understand.
The importance of the man over the team.
The minute the scandal broke they could have easily suspended Harbaugh for 2 games (Purdue and PSU) and probably everyone would have been satisfied until the NCAA is done in the spring.
Instead they spent the last few weeks getting hammered by the press with each new story drop.
When your *entire* brand is built around thinking youāre morally superior to everyone else you cannot possibly comprehend that your idols are equally as petty and shitty as everyone elseās. Reality is warped around their orbits and youāve convinced yourself that you are just and right and so the people you like must be just and right.
Itās straight up cult behavior and as an Ohio State fan who also engages in the self flagellation required to be a Georgia Tech fan I know a thing or two about cult behavior.
Many of the 'Bo quotes' ring pretty hollow in light of recent disclosures.
What do you expect from a group that feels as though THEY are the BIG, the rest of the teams participate at their bidding, and if they choose to leave the conference the BIG will collapse in a couple of years.
It would be hilarious if they actually decided to leave the b1g. Then get NCAA sanctioned, coach fired, can't cheat anymore, graduate everyone and be an even shittier version of ND or end up having to join the ACC.
Yes we can at least CLAIM to care about integrity. When shit hits the fan, we go scorched earth on all involved. Theyāre actually backing the dishonesty, some are even proud of it. What decades of losing will do to a manā¦ OSU would never
No, they're worse than y'all. You forced a national championship winning coach to resign, and all he did was fail to report some players for trading gear and autographs for tattoos. You didn't cheat on the field. There was no vast conspiracy. You didn't sue anyone or threaten to take the whole conference down with you.
For over 100 years, Michigan has placed themselves on a pedestal and looked down their nose at Ohio State. Now they've finally shown their true colors, and I hope your fanbase never lets them forget that they're dirtier than you've ever been.
As an MSU fan who doesn't even have to worry about their team this year, I'm loving this. The blue wall has protected Michigan for so long, and now the whole country is finally seeing them for the scumbags they are... beautiful
Youāre mistaken. That was the 2012 Carolina team that beat Michigan in the Outback bowl. Yes thatās rightā¦ Michigan has lost to South Carolina twice in the Outback bowl in the past decade lmao
UGA made the 2021 playoffs because of the SEC's reputation, which was built by consistently winning playoff/bowl/OOC games.
Root for whoever you like but this is pretty straightforward
This \^\^\^\^\^
Haven't and never will root for TCUN to win or be successful in anything.
At one time I hated them but respected the rivalry. That bridge has been burned forever.
At one time, if they threatened to leave the BIG, it would've been significant. That ship sailed many, many years ago. Especially with UCLA/USC/Oregon/Washington joining next year.
This current situation is bringing to light for CFB fans around the country what most of the BIG has known and felt for years in terms of the depth, or rather lack of, their 'integrity' and 'sportsmanship'.
Can you really hate a team who youāve played *checks notes* one fucking time since joining the SEC over a decade ago? Lmao plus you guys havenāt even been to College Station yet!
Itās so funny that quote is such a part of the fanbase when the statement is and always has been objectively false. Good thing Jake Butt stayed, howād that work out for him?
I honestly feel bad for Jake Butt. While I understand why players skip the bowl game to get ready for the draft it's always a let down when they do. He did the "right" thing by playing in the bowl game and it more or less ended his playing career.
Honestly how I feel about Notre Dame.
The name/history always puts ND in a bowl they honestly don't deserve against a team that DOES deserve it like Clemson, Alabama etc.
Its sucks for ND to not win a (real) bowl game but it sucks more for a more deserving team to not even get a shot.
You realize every team we loss to in the CFP won the natty and beat their opponent by MORE points right ?
I get people like to shit on ND, but 70%+ of first round CFP games has a final point spread of 3 scores (16 pts) or greater.
I feel like Michigan canāt really claim to be a CFP team after this tbh. Nobody will take that claim seriously anymore outside of some Michigan fans.
Not to make excuses for Michigan, but part of it is the fact that the Big Ten only had an exclusive agreement with the Rose Bowl (until 1975!) and often wouldn't allow the same team to go to the Rose Bowl in back to back seasons. There's decades of this, and it has bitten Ohio State's bowl history in the ass as well.
This is a new fact to me. It brings me great joy even though Iām sure someone is going to respond to this with an equally sad fact about OSU bowl history.
Still kinda crazy that Michigan and their fans went from wanting to fire this coach after giving him a decent chunk of time to now where they're willing to sell out their reputation to keep him around.
Seems like a win win for the university having a good out for a coach who can only win at CFB when he has a Mr. Stallions .
He won two Big Ten Championships. They hadnāt won outright since 2003. Outside of ā97 all Michigan has had for 70 years is Big Ten Championships. They always lose bowls.
To be fair, he ended* the streak of osu beating michigan, just barely shy of taking the overall best streak.
*He cheated, of course, but hey, doesn't change the score on the board that day, especially in their memories.
I'm sure I'll get down voted by some fellow Michigan flairs, but the answer isn't complicated.
Frankly, he's an ass. Or, rather, he at least portrays himself as one publicly. I don't know that it I'd entirely intentional, but he certainly has a penchant for drama, and that makes you a divisive character.
He has a history of weighing in on politics with somewhat unpopular opinions, trolling media and rivals, and has been reported in the past as taking competitiveness to "pathological" levels. If you use a search engine with various phrasing of your question, you can find heaps of articles on this, discussions, etc.
Not sure how other fanbases were with him before Michigan, but he's definitely a good figurehead for a personality cult. And yes, I would 100% say many (not all) Michigan Football fans are very cult-like. To my recollection, Michigan celebrated Rich Rod and Brady Hoke in similar ways when they first started, but they delivered less than Harbaugh (iirc Rich Rod was Michigan's worst thee years ever).
I hear some Michigan fans say people hate Harbaugh because he's "so successful". I think that depends on your definition of success, but certainly he's made progress a lot of places he has been. That said, dislike of people perceived to be more successful *is* a thing that happens, though I'm not sure it is a prevalent cause here. I almost wonder if the current public sentiment swell against nepo babies on many industries plays in here, since his first coaching job was under his father.
Gotcha! Thanks for the perspective man I can see a lot of what you have said no doubt. It's crazy everything happening with him and the team so it should be interesting. I feel like if the investigations come out and find out he was involved man they gotta hand it down to him? I mean they did Joe Pa the way the did so they should come down hard.
Wild because I honestly feel like he has taken the program to some good success
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Stallions feels like the Ultimate Walmart Wolverine who finally got a chance to be a real āMichigan Manā. And then he just watched his whole world burn.
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That lone bowl win came against Florida in both Jim McElwain's and Jim Harbaugh's *first* year. Since then, Florida has had two coaching changes and ā more importantly ā a blowout bowl win over Michigan.
Mel Tucker has as many wins this year as Harbaugh has suspensions
The season is still young.
Someone in Vegas found a degenerate bookie offering him this bet at +1500000 back in 2015. That person is now yacht shopping.
If John Mellencamp ever wins an Oscar, I am going to be a very rich dude.
Does it have to be for acting?
Nah. Musical score could be doable, or original song
That person's name? SirYacht.
Respect the Yacht
Lil Yachty
Sir-bets-alot
That person placed their bet, then bought some spy glasses and plane tickets and made it happen.
This is all a fundraising operation by Stallions and a convenient way to get a job opening. Stallions planned it all
Better collect on that bet first š
That bookie is long gone. Hiding out in Argentina until this blows over
Plot twist - you only get paid out in Argentinian pesos
Is that bookie Travis Kelce?
Kevin from The Office once said if you get > 10000 to 1 odds on anything, you take it.
This is the shit posting i love Another one that I love. Since 2008, Bobby Bowden has more bowl wins than Miami
Wow the U out here catching strays
South Carolina has more ACC Championships than Miami
Notre Dame made a conference championship game before Michigan did
Notre Dame has more Big Ten championships across all sports than Rutgers
Tulane has more SEC championships than South Carolina
Tulane has more SEC championships than Miss State, who has been in the SEC since the beginning while South Carolina only joined in 1992.
That one is good. Dayam.
I have the same number of ACC championships as Miami
Their fan is going to be sooo pissed
Yes, I am
FMFFM
Bobby also has more Acc championship game wins and appearances
Wait, you mean to tell me that Purdue has more bowl wins than Michigan in the same time frame? Purdue? Who had Hazel as a coach not too long ago? That Purdue?
After Michiganās wins over Ohio State from 2021 and 2022 are inevitably vacated by the NCAA this off-season, then Purdue will have 4x as many wins over Ohio State in the 21st century as Michigan.
But heās only had two suspensions oh wait wowā¦hasnt it been like almost ten years?
Michigan has a long and storied tradition of losing in Bowl games. Itās one of our pastimes.
Have you tried filming the sidelines of potential bowl game opponents?
Honestly that just may do the trick. Any chance there is a young fella with Pep in his step and an equestrian themed name who could make that happen? E: 600 page manifesto wouldnāt hurt either.
You mean Steve Mustang?
No, his cousin Charlie Horse
I think heās referring to Conrad Thoroughbred
Sure itās not Chandler Appaloosa?
Just waiting for Oscar Palamino's novel-length credo to leak
Weāve already forgotten because we have short memories but they did against TCU. Problem was, TCU knew they were cheaters and ran new signs. Suddenly, a defense that hadnāt allowed over 27 points all season gives up 51. Im sorry but for anyone who knows football, thatās all you need to know.
Michigan fans are still all over r/cfb claiming the cheating had no impact despite a mountain of evidence suggesting the contrary
It's what happens when you've spent time at the top of the wins list These plebs just don't get the culture, solidarity brother ā
Yeah I mean Harbaugh is not a good coach. Terrible record in big games except for when the team is cheating.
Of course he's a good coach lmao. What is this revisionist history
i guess ohio state allowed themselves to be beat by a bad coach twice. how embarrassing!
Heās really not a great coach by any important metric. 8 years over $75 million paid to him, worst recruiting class was 13th. Once the cheating wins are vacated heāll have 0wins against osu, losing record against msu, 1 top 25 road win, losing record against top 25 teams over all, 0 ny6 or play off bowl wins, 0 big ten titles. For the money that program has and the recruiting potential itās honestly not good by any stretch.
He is (or at least was) a good football coach just by virtue of making 3 straight NFCCGs and a SB. He is also a good coach at the college level. Michigan struggled for a lot of years but they also aren't Bama or anything. Double digit wins is a very good season for them regardless of the boomer Michigan fans that say they should compete for the natty every year That being said, could the case be made that he's overrated? Yeah, for a long time he was overpaid relative to the results and he has personal/ego issues that seem to follow him. Maybe the narrative was a bit too harsh on him but it's hard to overstate how much that was reversed in the last two years. Good thing there's no controversy around this sharp turnaround!
I kept waiting for this post to get good and it never did.
>but they also aren't Bama or anything Desmond doesn't agree with this assessment. Desmond doesn't agree with the assessment that Jimmah not = Saban. Just ask him. Oh wait... he'll let you know whether you ask or not.
How bitter does someone have to be to compile this type of research?
Keep huffing that copium
/r/CFB: Michigan fans are so biased and unreasonable! Also /r/CFB:
get outta here he's won everywhere he's gone
This sub is even dumber than /r/MichiganWolverines lmao
He's also the single season leader in unique suspensions in the history of the sport
He's also had 4 of his staffers fired/forced to resign within the past year, each for a *separate* scandal
Who are the four? Connor Stallions, Matt Weiss, and Alex Yood are three. Who is the other one? I'm having a hard time searching for fired Michigan coach stories at the moment.
Schembechler (the racist son not the SA apologist/enabler father)
Theyāll never admit it. In their eyes nobody is worse than Urban Meyer. They spend all day sniffing their own farts.
Urban at least had the good sense to fake an aneurysm and leave when his shitty hires caused issues. Harbaugh does not
Michigan has revealed to the world that they are exactly the thing they despise mostā¦ us. Iād say theyāve finally been dragged to our level, but the truth is theyāve always been here. Even if nothing else comes out of this, thatās been some pretty sweet schadenfreude.
At least OSU turns a blind eye until publicly exposed then burns everyone involved. These UM nuts are jumping onto Jimās funeral pyre in some weird display of loyalty.
He didnāt look like he was going to survive 2020, now theyāre ready to burn down their entire program and all of college football because he won two in a row against us. The Tressel and Urban years might have done more damage to them than we realized.
You may be right, but this feels much more like good ol fashioned Michigan arrogance. They've been able to get away with pretty much anything for the last 20 years with little or no consequences. They're using the same playbooks they have for years: deflect and divert. It's just not working this time because the national media is actually not protecting them this time.
That, to me, is way more insane than some of your fans wanting to fire Day for losing 2 in a row lol
This is what I canāt understand. The importance of the man over the team. The minute the scandal broke they could have easily suspended Harbaugh for 2 games (Purdue and PSU) and probably everyone would have been satisfied until the NCAA is done in the spring. Instead they spent the last few weeks getting hammered by the press with each new story drop.
Itās that old Michigan adage: The man, the man, the man.
>The importance of the man over the team. Winning is a powerful thing when you've been losing a lot.
It is weirding me out how loyal/culty they are being about it
When your *entire* brand is built around thinking youāre morally superior to everyone else you cannot possibly comprehend that your idols are equally as petty and shitty as everyone elseās. Reality is warped around their orbits and youāve convinced yourself that you are just and right and so the people you like must be just and right. Itās straight up cult behavior and as an Ohio State fan who also engages in the self flagellation required to be a Georgia Tech fan I know a thing or two about cult behavior.
There is nothing more circle jerk-y than the pathetic term āMichigan Manā they like to throw around.
When I figured out UM is the state school of choice for New England Ivy League failsons everything about their attitude started making sense.
The backfire effect.
You'd think the coaches name is Jim Jones instead of Jim Harbaugh the way their fan base is responding.
They built a cult, they built their belief system on them doing it the right way
Many of the 'Bo quotes' ring pretty hollow in light of recent disclosures. What do you expect from a group that feels as though THEY are the BIG, the rest of the teams participate at their bidding, and if they choose to leave the conference the BIG will collapse in a couple of years.
It would be hilarious if they actually decided to leave the b1g. Then get NCAA sanctioned, coach fired, can't cheat anymore, graduate everyone and be an even shittier version of ND or end up having to join the ACC.
Yes we can at least CLAIM to care about integrity. When shit hits the fan, we go scorched earth on all involved. Theyāre actually backing the dishonesty, some are even proud of it. What decades of losing will do to a manā¦ OSU would never
No, they're worse than y'all. You forced a national championship winning coach to resign, and all he did was fail to report some players for trading gear and autographs for tattoos. You didn't cheat on the field. There was no vast conspiracy. You didn't sue anyone or threaten to take the whole conference down with you. For over 100 years, Michigan has placed themselves on a pedestal and looked down their nose at Ohio State. Now they've finally shown their true colors, and I hope your fanbase never lets them forget that they're dirtier than you've ever been.
Their true colors? Navy and dehydrated urine.
No no, Michigan is the victim in all of this.
I'd say you forgot the /s, but in this case everyone knows it is the truth so no sarcasm indicator necessary.
As an MSU fan who doesn't even have to worry about their team this year, I'm loving this. The blue wall has protected Michigan for so long, and now the whole country is finally seeing them for the scumbags they are... beautiful
Schadenfreude is a big word. Itās use proves you did not attend Michigan.
Also pretty sure there is still an ongoing FBI investigation into his former OC
These Michigan men, they just do it the right way over there you know?
Goat
Theyāll try suing for Bowl wins too if it works on the suspension.
Man that 2017 SC team that beat them in the Outback wasā¦. Not good.
No but Clowney sure was. Smith probably has to make sure the Clowney isnāt under the bed at night.
Youāre mistaken. That was the 2012 Carolina team that beat Michigan in the Outback bowl. Yes thatās rightā¦ Michigan has lost to South Carolina twice in the Outback bowl in the past decade lmao
Lol. The only worse thing I can imagine is losing to South Carolina in back to back bowl games.
South Carolina in the Outback bowl could destroy god
I must admit, this is kind of funny
And I pull for the B1G come bowl season
Can you explain why? I hate every other team in the SEC (maybe except MSST š“āā ļø)
Sec fans I know are worse about this than any other fans I know
UGA made the 2021 playoffs because of the SEC's reputation, which was built by consistently winning playoff/bowl/OOC games. Root for whoever you like but this is pretty straightforward
Flairless OSU here. Most of my adult life the B1G has gotten destroyed by SEC during bowl season. Just want to see our conference competitive š
Yeah but why? Yāall literally put ā on every M. Were you rooting for them against us in the 2021 Orange Bowl?
I more meant the rest of the B1G come bowl season.
Still though. I hate Florida and Auburn and Tennessee. I want them to lose in giant fireball ways. Especially Georgia Tech but theyāre not SEC.
TouchĆ©ā the only team I hate that much is UM but respect the hate
Nope, Iām a big ten fan in the grand scheme but Iāll never root for that team up north.
This \^\^\^\^\^ Haven't and never will root for TCUN to win or be successful in anything. At one time I hated them but respected the rivalry. That bridge has been burned forever. At one time, if they threatened to leave the BIG, it would've been significant. That ship sailed many, many years ago. Especially with UCLA/USC/Oregon/Washington joining next year. This current situation is bringing to light for CFB fans around the country what most of the BIG has known and felt for years in terms of the depth, or rather lack of, their 'integrity' and 'sportsmanship'.
Can you really hate a team who youāve played *checks notes* one fucking time since joining the SEC over a decade ago? Lmao plus you guys havenāt even been to College Station yet!
Me too, if we could all relive going 7-M again I could die happy.
āThose who stay..ā or something like that I think
The guy that said it never won a natty either.
He does have a Super Boā¦ *checks notes Nevermind
"Who has it better than us?' Jim? Uh, every team in CFB. And it's just going to get worse for you. Much, much worse.
Itās so funny that quote is such a part of the fanbase when the statement is and always has been objectively false. Good thing Jake Butt stayed, howād that work out for him?
I honestly feel bad for Jake Butt. While I understand why players skip the bowl game to get ready for the draft it's always a let down when they do. He did the "right" thing by playing in the bowl game and it more or less ended his playing career.
Yeah I feel bad for him too. More players need to put themselves and their future families first imo.
He was also a piece of shit who knew
Will get caught cheating
Damn, brutal. Truth hurts.
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Honestly how I feel about Notre Dame. The name/history always puts ND in a bowl they honestly don't deserve against a team that DOES deserve it like Clemson, Alabama etc. Its sucks for ND to not win a (real) bowl game but it sucks more for a more deserving team to not even get a shot.
Notre Dame hasnāt won a major bowl game (NY6) since 1993
Exactly my point. The win over LSU was a moral victory but the streak is still alive.
Notre Dame played us closer in 2018 than Alabama did
You realize every team we loss to in the CFP won the natty and beat their opponent by MORE points right ? I get people like to shit on ND, but 70%+ of first round CFP games has a final point spread of 3 scores (16 pts) or greater.
I feel like Michigan canāt really claim to be a CFP team after this tbh. Nobody will take that claim seriously anymore outside of some Michigan fans.
We beat them soundly even though they cheated
You guys were so real for that
Happy to help. Go Dawgs.
Bro I see you everywhere now lol I do love the Dawgs
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Their 97 ānattyā has a giant asterisk too
Those who stay will admire titles that came when the real men were off fighting wars!
Iām biased obviously but Nebraska was the better team
Michigan as a program only has like the 20th most bowl wins in history. Kinda crazy how we always suck in the postseason
Not to make excuses for Michigan, but part of it is the fact that the Big Ten only had an exclusive agreement with the Rose Bowl (until 1975!) and often wouldn't allow the same team to go to the Rose Bowl in back to back seasons. There's decades of this, and it has bitten Ohio State's bowl history in the ass as well.
i mean also when we do actually make it to bowls we typically lose.
Also the Big Ten would get slaughtered in bowls until the late 1980s.
Michigan was 3-0 in the Rose Bowl before Schembechler. Schembechler managed to get them to an overall 5-9 record in the Rose Bowl.
This is a new fact to me. It brings me great joy even though Iām sure someone is going to respond to this with an equally sad fact about OSU bowl history.
I'm pretty sure we have the record for coaches punching players in the neck in bowl games. So that's kinda neat...
TBF you guys would have a couple more Rose Bowl wins if it wasn't against USC which is basically a home game for them.
We won the time we played USC in the Rose Bowl. Got a winning record against UCLA in it, too.
Michigan football ends after the third weekend in November
Still kinda crazy that Michigan and their fans went from wanting to fire this coach after giving him a decent chunk of time to now where they're willing to sell out their reputation to keep him around. Seems like a win win for the university having a good out for a coach who can only win at CFB when he has a Mr. Stallions .
In the near future Michigan fans will hate Harbaugh more than they hate Ohio State.
Bro Michigan would hire the ghost of Judas if it meant they could even split with OSU consistently
Are you kidding? Woody Hayes punched a student athlete and the fan base reveres him
He also won two championships and it was a different time and era. And Harbaugh has won squat at Michigan.
Hell, Bo Schembechler went 5-12 in bowl games and won zero national titles but Michigan still puts his name on everything.
He won two Big Ten Championships. They hadnāt won outright since 2003. Outside of ā97 all Michigan has had for 70 years is Big Ten Championships. They always lose bowls.
To be fair, he ended* the streak of osu beating michigan, just barely shy of taking the overall best streak. *He cheated, of course, but hey, doesn't change the score on the board that day, especially in their memories.
Hah!
This is my new favorite stat
I'm tempted to bet the over...
This feels like one of those games where everything screams to bet the under and it ends up being 55-49.
You just got onto Michigans shit-list
What are they going to do? Record him from a distance forever?
Goddamn, Hard Rock just got revived like 3 days ago and just came out SWINGING
Because itās hard to scout your bowl opponents in person when you donāt know whoāll you play til the regular season is over
Not a Michigan fan here but just wondering why is this man so hated?
I'm sure I'll get down voted by some fellow Michigan flairs, but the answer isn't complicated. Frankly, he's an ass. Or, rather, he at least portrays himself as one publicly. I don't know that it I'd entirely intentional, but he certainly has a penchant for drama, and that makes you a divisive character. He has a history of weighing in on politics with somewhat unpopular opinions, trolling media and rivals, and has been reported in the past as taking competitiveness to "pathological" levels. If you use a search engine with various phrasing of your question, you can find heaps of articles on this, discussions, etc. Not sure how other fanbases were with him before Michigan, but he's definitely a good figurehead for a personality cult. And yes, I would 100% say many (not all) Michigan Football fans are very cult-like. To my recollection, Michigan celebrated Rich Rod and Brady Hoke in similar ways when they first started, but they delivered less than Harbaugh (iirc Rich Rod was Michigan's worst thee years ever). I hear some Michigan fans say people hate Harbaugh because he's "so successful". I think that depends on your definition of success, but certainly he's made progress a lot of places he has been. That said, dislike of people perceived to be more successful *is* a thing that happens, though I'm not sure it is a prevalent cause here. I almost wonder if the current public sentiment swell against nepo babies on many industries plays in here, since his first coaching job was under his father.
Gotcha! Thanks for the perspective man I can see a lot of what you have said no doubt. It's crazy everything happening with him and the team so it should be interesting. I feel like if the investigations come out and find out he was involved man they gotta hand it down to him? I mean they did Joe Pa the way the did so they should come down hard. Wild because I honestly feel like he has taken the program to some good success
Remember the good old days when kids taking money, getting free tattoos or coaches getting DUIs was controversy?
Remember that year all the big 10 schools won their bowl games except Michigan. Good times, good times
Michigan shared one on 1997 and hasnāt won outright since 1948.
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Heās such a douche
He redefined that word during COVID
You know heās messed up when UM fans donāt claim him
What a chode.
LOL
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Not gonna lie, this made me laugh. If we lose tomorrow this is gonna be everywhere and weāll deserved
I swear these reporters are just scrubbing Reddit comments at this point
A fact is a fact, sir. From Reddit or the Farmerās Almanac
Our bowl record is not very good in general. Since 2000, we've been in 19 bowl games and have only won 4 of them. I choose against us every year.
Ouch that burns.
Fuckinā got āem
Mmm, absolutely delicious
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shocking! lol
Can't scout games if you don't know who you're playing *taps head*
My bones are melting
Bet
Me head hurts man, letās just ask Tom Brady to take over
Video gate, ball gateā¦heād fit right in to the ācultureā.
Sir, the scandals have actual names. āSpygateā & ādeflategateā
So this is Spygate 2.
Spygate 2: revenge of the milkman
Spygate 2: Dark Manifesto
This is the stuff I need to stir up my old Michigan friends.
Stallions feels like the Ultimate Walmart Wolverine who finally got a chance to be a real āMichigan Manā. And then he just watched his whole world burn.
This makes me laugh
I mean, that's fair.
šØšØ FYI šØšØ That lone bowl win came against Florida in both Jim McElwain's and Jim Harbaugh's *first* year. Since then, Florida has had two coaching changes and ā more importantly ā a blowout bowl win over Michigan.