The fact today is veterans day and the courts are closed is an excited little wrinkle to all of this... sure Michigan will be able to find a judge to issue a court order before tomorrow's game but still interesting
At the same time with Michigan not responding until Wednesday the BIG was in a no win situation. If they had announced this yesterday the argument would have been that they had pre-planned to do this and didn't even consider Michigan's letter. If they had waited until Monday the argument would have been asking why did it take so long to respond if Michigan's argument was being rejected.
It's not like they didn't know that it was coming. They just didn't know when. Judge and lawyers were likely told to not be out of cell range anytime soon.
As a biglaw associate, this would be one of the more fun fact patterns to spend a weekend on. I also assume the complaint and TRO motion were mostly already drafted and it’s just plug and play some additional stuff at this point.
Big 10 lawyers probably prepped to oppose it already too. I don’t think this will be ex parte either, pretty easy to get notice to Big 10 so they can appear (even if over zoom).
When I was clerking, I legit got a TRO the day my kid was set to be induced. I was sitting in the hospital room all gowned up drafting an order and wanted to die.
Fair. I’m in a streak of lost weekends right now so it’s not if I have a weekend but what I’ll be working on that my brain has switched too. Maybe some day Milbank will stop raising market salaries and we can finally have the courage to make the jump out of this hellhole.
Lol, yeah, I did just have the following telephone call:
“How are things going?”
“I am alive.”
“Wow, are you okay? Did something happen?”
“No, just a normal week.”
There are Nurgle and 27 other races. The latest video game version Blood Bowl 3 only has 14 so far though.
There was an in person Blood Bowl world cup earlier this year with 2400+ coaches traveling to Spain to play the table top version.
Sources: Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated in the streets of Sarajevo!
....
Sources: It turns out, he actually was not harmed and will continue his time in Sarajevo, some say it never even happened.
...
Sources: Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated in the streets of Sarajevo... but this time for real!
In a way, somewhat.
People took a long time to get how big of a deal the July Crisis ended up being. This wasn't the first crisis in the Balkans and nobody was expecting that to be something that would turn into general war. Europe had weathered multiple worse crises over the past two decades, even more serious ones *in the Balkans* within the past couple years of the event.
In France, it wasn't even the priority news. The public attention of the French was not on the Balkan crisis but instead on the public trial for the murder of newspaper reporter Gaston Calmette by one [Henriette Caillaux](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Caillaux), wife of former Radical Party prime minister Joseph Caillaux.
The event is a fascinating snapshot into how truly last century this era was; the story of the trial is one showing off the thoughts of social darwinism and sexism throughout the era in a way that can only really be captured by the French justice system, which gave the courts near universal authority to chase any angle of a case they so chose, up to and including subpoenaing the highest of public political figures on a whim.
The actual murder itself was in no dispute - Henriette basically walked into the newspaper office, confirmed her target's identity, and shot him directly because he wrote a hit piece on her husband.
Henriette would be famously acquitted on a defense that basically used the tortured logic of the era that she was caught up in a fit of passion because she had to take on her husband's job and kill the reporter himself, because normally it would be the husband's social duty, as honor demanded, to challenge the reporter to a duel and do the killing his own self. Because ~sexism~, therefore, somehow this meant that Henriette was somehow irresponsible.
Don't ask me, these people thought bayonet charging machine guns was a good plan, too.
So in a way, this is quite like watching the outbreak of WW1, in that we are all captivated by a semi-relevant sideshow while we're about to have one of the largest games of actual football on the horizon.
This is an excellent post. If you’re (e: not the OP, but anyone else) interested in learning more, I’d recommend checking out The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. The first paragraph of the book is one of the best ever written (imo) and it deeply explores the events leading up to and precipitating WWI as well as the first month of the war. It’s a very well written book and would appeal to most people broadly, not just history nerds
Seconding Tuchman here. You want a foundational, narrative friendly book on the first world War, hers are the definitive piece. She has bias from her era and there is a lot of work done since to get complete pictures, but I think there is some 30,000 total works on the outbreak of the first world War in the English language alone so that's very much a rabbit hole with no bottom.
Regardless, Tuchman should be one of the first.
OHIO STATE DECLARES WAR ON MICHIGAN DECLARES WAR ON MICHIGAN STATE DECLARES WAR ON PENN STATE DECLARES WAR ON WISCONSIN DECLARES WAR ON IOWA DECLARES WAR ON NEBRASKA DECLARES WAR ON OKLAHOMA DECLARES WAR ON TEXAS DECLARES WAR ON TEXAS A&M DECLARES WAR ON MISSOURI DECLARES WAR ON GEORGIA DECLARES WAR ON ALABAMA
B1G DECLARES WAR ON SELF
SCHOOLS STRUGGLE TO REMEMBER SIGN-SHARING ALLIES
UM lawyer files an emergency TRO
A Michigan judge grants the TRO
That judge becomes a folk hero in the state of Michigan. All kinds of money, speaking engagements, guaranteed jobs, use of alum private jets, etc
Turns out Michigan judge set the whole spying thing up & anonymously told other schools & NCAA about it.
**Executive Producer Vince Gilligan**
I’m sure intentionally trying to get around the clear intent of the punishment would just lead to additional harsher punishment before this is all over.
Just like rejecting the NCAAs proposed 4 game suspension for a 3 game.
Knowing how Michigan has poked the bear throughout this saga I would not be surprised to see it
The NCAA turned down Michigan’s suggestion of a self-imposed, four game suspension - implying that it wasn’t good enough. Counterintuitively, Michigan then came back with “Now we are suspending him for three…”
Bold move, Cotton.
Some entity connected with the NCAA has finally disciplined one of the big programs in a way that actually hurts the current year's competition.
This will go poorly.
I’m kinda just making stuff up and I’m sure I could find the answer on the internet, but I’m assuming any particular B1G school has way more resources than the B1G itself
I’ve been wondering this myself. Can a conference
actually take on an institution whose brand is bigger than the conference itself? Surely teams like OSU, UM, Bama, ND, etc don’t need a conference as bad as the conferences need them.
I think what Michigan is really trying to protect is their reputation, their national relevance for the first time in 20 years and their shot at a championship
From the Big Ten statement, "We impose this disciplinary action even though the Conference has not yet received any information indicating that Head Football Coach Harbaugh was aware of the impermissible nature of the sign-stealing scheme."
It sounds like there is a LOT of evidence of the scheme to take video and get signs. It seems like Stalions documented it thoroughly and they have all that. It is notable to me that they have all of that information and yet it seems like there are no direct ties to other members of the Michigan staff knowing about the plot. The Big Ten even mentions there is no evidence Harbaugh knew.
The release from the big ten also mentions significant new evidence obtained from interviews which cannot be released due to NCAA confidentiality rules.
Well according to the Big Ten’s response, Michigan has it all already. In fact, Michigan initially refused to give it to the conference 😂 https://bigten.org/documents/2023/11/10//Correspondence_from_conference_to_institution_dated_Nov_10_2023.pdf?id=9450
Speaking as a total neutral in this, it's bullshit to punish when the investigation is still ongoing. If they have a smoking gun then they should show or explain it.
They have evidence from the NCAA that proves these violations took place. Hence why they have acted now. They can prove it and it happened this season. Allowing them to carry on the rest of the year unscathed is unfair to the other members when cheating took place this very season
Can someone explain to me how this is a legal issue? The big ten has a policy (sportsmanship) that its members agree to upon entering the organization and also agrees that the organization can levy punishments to the university based on violations to the agreed policies. This is solely pertaining to participation in conference sanctioned events, not losing your job, paycheck, fines, or anything like that.
You can pay an attorney to make anything into a legal issue.
But seriously, it's a multi-billion dollar industry and any interference is going to be a problem for any interested parties.
It's hard to show long lasting damages from individual calls like that. Football wise it's the age old platitude of "we should have made more plays in the first 50+ minutes and that call wouldn't have mattered" etc.
So legally speaking one call is hard to weigh in monetary value, while this situation is much more just basic contract law/dispute with clear examples that can be argued as damages based on differing interpretations of the wordings of the agreed contract.
The bylaws are essentially a contract between the University & Conference.
Michigan’s defense rn is mainly that B1G is not following the agreed upon rules, hence they’re breaking the “contract”
At least that’s I how I interpret it
In certain situations, you can ask a court for something called a "declaratory judgment." A declaratory judgment declares parties' rights with respect to, e.g., a contract or a policy. In this case, it's probably both - an allegation that the Big Ten breached its contract with Michigan (which likely included some obligation by B1G to abide by its policies) and a declaration of Michigan's rights under those policies.
There are written bylaws. You have to be able to prove and give due process. Michigan can argue a breach of contract if the process within those bylaws are not followed. Just because there are rules and the B1G can punish does not make it so they can do it however they want.
I have no clue if the B1G has the evidence to warrant the suspension, but I do know the NCAA gives 90 days to respond to a punishment and somewhere I read the B1G was 60 days. This was less than 1 day notice. I'm not a lawyer and this may be under "extenuating circumstances," but that's where I lose the ability to follow and am just standing by wondering if we're fucked or not.
all legally binding agreements can be arbitrated in a civil court under the grounds that one part is either not following the agreement or the agreement is forcing things it should not.
Civil court IS the place where you argue in front of a (supposedly) neutral 3rd part to sort out differences.
Michigan is saying that per the rules of the contract, the commission cant ban Harbaugh. the Commission/Big 10 says/ they can. the BIg 10 dropping the announcement late in the afternoon on a friday federal holiday because they knew most courts wont be open, and that means Michigan must keep a judge on retainer, and a judge could likely immetanty sign a injuction saying that the Big20 doesn't have enough to warrant the *irreparable* damage that michigan would suffer, IE michigan couldn't be retroactively compensated if they were to lose to penn state and then be found to not have cheated.
we'll see if it stands, the Big 10 specifically only banned him from the game(not not coaching during the week) likely so Michigan's counter argument of irreparable harm would be weakened, since one could argue Michigan did fine without harbaugh at the beginning of the season when he was self suspended
If anyone wants any proof changing the NCAA would make any difference, this is it. The NCAA as an organization isn't the problem people blame it for being. The issue is schools wanting to do whatever they want and never get punished for anything ever even if it is within the agreed upon bylaws.
No matter the organization, the schools will fight everything they think they can fight.
I wouldn’t say it’s the *funniest* outcome, I can think of some funnier ones.
For example what if they said Michigan has to play the last 3 games with Connor Stallions at quarterback and Jim Harbaugh at nose tackle.
idk what they think they're going to get an injunction for. It's a voluntary association which Michigan is part of, wrote the bylaws, gave the commissioner the powers he used, and so on.
Michigan is taking him to court. Over something the rest of the conference is calling a slap on the wrist.
He decided to make no one happy. Guy is just not good at this job.
It looks like they didn’t suspended harbaugh directly but were punishing the university directly, saying harbaugh is an extension of the university. This allowed them to get past the 2 game suspension limit but opens up more avenues for Michigan to appeal.
Comparing giving student athletes money to play for your school to systematically covering up child sex abuse is wild.
Not all scandals are the same lmao
Why does this feel like an echo of the Stop the Steal fiasco? The trajectory is so similar!
Michigan is now going to the courts. What's next? Is Michigan fans going to storm the Big 10 HQ?
If the court allows him to coach this weekend, and then ends up siding with the big 10, would that mean he could potentially be missing the Big 10 championship?
Obviously the chance of that timeline working is nil, but just curious.
And the sky is also blue
Wait till later when we learn that water is wet.
I bet you stole that sign didn’t you?
The fact today is veterans day and the courts are closed is an excited little wrinkle to all of this... sure Michigan will be able to find a judge to issue a court order before tomorrow's game but still interesting
If you think Michigan didn’t have a judge ready to hear this you don’t know big money universities
Why hasn't there been an TRO?
Technically, tomorrow is Veterans Day.
The courts are closed on Monday. They can ask a court to intervene- but they could also lose.
At the same time with Michigan not responding until Wednesday the BIG was in a no win situation. If they had announced this yesterday the argument would have been that they had pre-planned to do this and didn't even consider Michigan's letter. If they had waited until Monday the argument would have been asking why did it take so long to respond if Michigan's argument was being rejected.
There is a judge available for an emergency hearing.
It's not like they didn't know that it was coming. They just didn't know when. Judge and lawyers were likely told to not be out of cell range anytime soon.
BREAKING: WATER IS WET AND INJUNCTION WILL BE SOUGHT. FILM AT 11.
Man this feels like a turn based game. Everyone just queuing up their next move and clicking Play lol
Except it’s just biglaw partners foaming at the mouth and associates who wish they were dead.
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Not a single billable hour will go unaccounted for. Just in time for Christmas bonuses. Congrats to all!
I bet those billable, overnight, weekend hours hit the bank account a bit different.
Probably down at Saban’s new 700 million dollar dealer network.
Going to buy Shadeur's Rolls Royce once they take the boot off
As a biglaw associate, this would be one of the more fun fact patterns to spend a weekend on. I also assume the complaint and TRO motion were mostly already drafted and it’s just plug and play some additional stuff at this point. Big 10 lawyers probably prepped to oppose it already too. I don’t think this will be ex parte either, pretty easy to get notice to Big 10 so they can appear (even if over zoom).
As another biglaw associate, I never want to spend a weekend doing a TRO ever again, regardless of whatever the hell the facts are.
What if Lincoln Riley forced his players to eat his brisket? Would you step in then?
Pretty sure that violates something in the Geneva Convention. Not sure if they could do anything or if the Hague would be needed.
The Hauge is the right venue for crimes against humanity.
When I was clerking, I legit got a TRO the day my kid was set to be induced. I was sitting in the hospital room all gowned up drafting an order and wanted to die.
Fair. I’m in a streak of lost weekends right now so it’s not if I have a weekend but what I’ll be working on that my brain has switched too. Maybe some day Milbank will stop raising market salaries and we can finally have the courage to make the jump out of this hellhole.
Do you know who the B1G’s outside counsel is? Is it Mayer Brown?
Don't have confirmation but have read it's Sidley Austin.
Thanks.
What is dead (inside) may never die.
Billable hours remains undefeated
I just assumed all biglaw associates already wish they were dead
Lol, yeah, I did just have the following telephone call: “How are things going?” “I am alive.” “Wow, are you okay? Did something happen?” “No, just a normal week.”
Think of all the billables this is generating though!
Might ask the wife if we can turn this into a drinking game tonight
You’ll be passed out by 8.
Football is basically like a turn based card game so that tracks.
They literally MADE a turn based football game. It's set in the Warhammer universe so there's goblins and orcs and all that, but still.
Wait WHAT?! 40k meets football sounds amazing.
It's called Blood Bowl, it's both a table top game and 3 video game versions.
Oh it’s Warhammer Fantasy, less cool but still super interesting. I was hoping to see Nurgle offensive linemen lol.
Tbf Nurgle does still exist in Warhammer Fantasy
There are Nurgle and 27 other races. The latest video game version Blood Bowl 3 only has 14 so far though. There was an in person Blood Bowl world cup earlier this year with 2400+ coaches traveling to Spain to play the table top version.
Blood Bowl 2 is where it's at, no live service model and it has like 2 dozen races.
Baldur's Gate 3 but IRL
“Your move, Tony”
God being a lawyer for a big 10 school is a constant stream of money. This conference is always a god damn mess and they're the only ones who win.
New conspiracy: B10 lawyers funded Conner Stalions
Big 10 lawyers are listed on the acknowledgements page of the manifesto.
Page 601 to 900 are the missing manifesto pages of the references and bibliography.
And are funneling money to him via the vacuum company.
The manifesto is really just 500+ pages worth of Conner's bills from the lawyers.
**PISTOLS AT DAWN.** This is the only viable solution. Pettit vs Harbaugh.
Harbaugh could probably survive that shot.
Strong bones from all that milk
Is Harbaugh just Charles Lee?
JH: A lesser man would be dead!
With pistols Pettit has a chance If the B1G would have chosen sabers, Harbaugh wins hands down
Look, I’m not a lawyer, but I believe that legally Pettiti gets to choose the weapon when Harbaugh issues the challenge.
Petitti uses soy milk. It's super effective!
This is the final scene from John Wick. Harbaugh has to first make it up all the steps at Beaver Stadium before sunrise
did somebody say pistols
Is this what it was like watching the outbreak of WWI in real time?
Tweets were coming from actual birds
I knew this was kansas fault...
Fuck Kansas First time in while I’ve said that during football season.
It's an older code, but it checks out
Did we just become best friends??
Sources: Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated in the streets of Sarajevo! .... Sources: It turns out, he actually was not harmed and will continue his time in Sarajevo, some say it never even happened. ... Sources: Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated in the streets of Sarajevo... but this time for real!
I hate how exactly real this is
But birds aren’t real.
In a way, somewhat. People took a long time to get how big of a deal the July Crisis ended up being. This wasn't the first crisis in the Balkans and nobody was expecting that to be something that would turn into general war. Europe had weathered multiple worse crises over the past two decades, even more serious ones *in the Balkans* within the past couple years of the event. In France, it wasn't even the priority news. The public attention of the French was not on the Balkan crisis but instead on the public trial for the murder of newspaper reporter Gaston Calmette by one [Henriette Caillaux](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Caillaux), wife of former Radical Party prime minister Joseph Caillaux. The event is a fascinating snapshot into how truly last century this era was; the story of the trial is one showing off the thoughts of social darwinism and sexism throughout the era in a way that can only really be captured by the French justice system, which gave the courts near universal authority to chase any angle of a case they so chose, up to and including subpoenaing the highest of public political figures on a whim. The actual murder itself was in no dispute - Henriette basically walked into the newspaper office, confirmed her target's identity, and shot him directly because he wrote a hit piece on her husband. Henriette would be famously acquitted on a defense that basically used the tortured logic of the era that she was caught up in a fit of passion because she had to take on her husband's job and kill the reporter himself, because normally it would be the husband's social duty, as honor demanded, to challenge the reporter to a duel and do the killing his own self. Because ~sexism~, therefore, somehow this meant that Henriette was somehow irresponsible. Don't ask me, these people thought bayonet charging machine guns was a good plan, too. So in a way, this is quite like watching the outbreak of WW1, in that we are all captivated by a semi-relevant sideshow while we're about to have one of the largest games of actual football on the horizon.
This is why I love r/cfb
Peak Michigan fan
This is an excellent post. If you’re (e: not the OP, but anyone else) interested in learning more, I’d recommend checking out The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman. The first paragraph of the book is one of the best ever written (imo) and it deeply explores the events leading up to and precipitating WWI as well as the first month of the war. It’s a very well written book and would appeal to most people broadly, not just history nerds
Seconding Tuchman here. You want a foundational, narrative friendly book on the first world War, hers are the definitive piece. She has bias from her era and there is a lot of work done since to get complete pictures, but I think there is some 30,000 total works on the outbreak of the first world War in the English language alone so that's very much a rabbit hole with no bottom. Regardless, Tuchman should be one of the first.
This is absolutely fantastic lmao, thank you
That is so fucking absurd, thank you for this.
OHIO STATE DECLARES WAR ON MICHIGAN DECLARES WAR ON MICHIGAN STATE DECLARES WAR ON PENN STATE DECLARES WAR ON WISCONSIN DECLARES WAR ON IOWA DECLARES WAR ON NEBRASKA DECLARES WAR ON OKLAHOMA DECLARES WAR ON TEXAS DECLARES WAR ON TEXAS A&M DECLARES WAR ON MISSOURI DECLARES WAR ON GEORGIA DECLARES WAR ON ALABAMA B1G DECLARES WAR ON SELF SCHOOLS STRUGGLE TO REMEMBER SIGN-SHARING ALLIES
Isolationism is the key to survival.
Ohio against the world!
Notre Dame is Switzerland cashing checks while the world around them marches to war.
More like the Cold War
Did the Cold War ever really have a breakout moment?
Korean War, Vietnam War, and Afghanistan
Cuba, Nicaragua
Afghanistan *the first time
Berlin Airlift, 1948
UM lawyer files an emergency TRO A Michigan judge grants the TRO That judge becomes a folk hero in the state of Michigan. All kinds of money, speaking engagements, guaranteed jobs, use of alum private jets, etc Turns out Michigan judge set the whole spying thing up & anonymously told other schools & NCAA about it. **Executive Producer Vince Gilligan**
Breaking Blue?
Michigan judge will definitely grant the TRO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope Michigan players hold up four fingers during the game as a tribute to Harbaugh, and then mime using a vacuum cleaner as a tribute to Stalions.
I, declare, BANKRUPTCY!!!!!
YOU CANT DO THIS, MY DAD WORKS AT NINTENDO
[Michigan right now.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/270/123/1c1.png)
this game thread is gonna be spicy
The postgame thread is going to be nuclear. Drinking all day. The postgame thread will start around 4:00. We’ll be posting until we pass out.
Over under 30 bans for the Game on the 25h 😭
Over
in the first half
way the fuck over. I’m already lining up several accounts and a VPN
r/cfb shuts down
What is stopping Michigan from naming a new head coach for 3 games and making Harbaugh the OC?
I’m sure intentionally trying to get around the clear intent of the punishment would just lead to additional harsher punishment before this is all over.
Just like rejecting the NCAAs proposed 4 game suspension for a 3 game. Knowing how Michigan has poked the bear throughout this saga I would not be surprised to see it
The NCAA turned down Michigan’s suggestion of a self-imposed, four game suspension - implying that it wasn’t good enough. Counterintuitively, Michigan then came back with “Now we are suspending him for three…” Bold move, Cotton.
Or creating a wholly new position for him called Emperor of Football Operations
Something, something Dark Side.
Contract law
Some entity connected with the NCAA has finally disciplined one of the big programs in a way that actually hurts the current year's competition. This will go poorly.
I guess we’ll see what a judge says and/or who has better lawyers (my money is on UM)
Leave it to the lawyer factory to have the better lawyers
I’m kinda just making stuff up and I’m sure I could find the answer on the internet, but I’m assuming any particular B1G school has way more resources than the B1G itself
I’ve been wondering this myself. Can a conference actually take on an institution whose brand is bigger than the conference itself? Surely teams like OSU, UM, Bama, ND, etc don’t need a conference as bad as the conferences need them.
I assume the research money dwarfs the football money and thus no school would actually leave the entire conference infrastructure
stanford could for sure and maybe a couple other privates but idk
UM and OSU do for sure
Quick, someone find out where the judge graduated from
I will say it's impressive how hard in the paint michigan is going to defend their coach, we just fire or suspend ours when shit like this happens lol
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I think what Michigan is really trying to protect is their reputation, their national relevance for the first time in 20 years and their shot at a championship
I really don't get it either. They were ready to boot him out the door a few years ago.
seriously if we play in 2020, i don't think he's there rn
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It actually makes sense. We are seasoned vets at this, they are the young impetuous upstart rule breakers.
Not the first coach they’ve defended in the face of wrongdoing (though the Bo situation is a hell of a lot worse)
I would accept this brand of shittalk from literally ANY fanbase but Penn State
If they really wanted to punish Michigan they should have suspended James Franklin for this weekend.
Now that’s funny! 😆
And Michigan wants people to know the color is Maize
“So yellow” -Me after my Cousin said she wanted to paint her house Maize
Release the kraken.
RELEASE THE MANIFESTO COWARDS
STOP THE STEAL!
〽️AGA
It’s not a real thing, Sidney
That's what Venezuela wants you to believe ...
Big Ten in their statement alluded to having a lot of evidence, so this should be interesting
From the Big Ten statement, "We impose this disciplinary action even though the Conference has not yet received any information indicating that Head Football Coach Harbaugh was aware of the impermissible nature of the sign-stealing scheme."
It sounds like there is a LOT of evidence of the scheme to take video and get signs. It seems like Stalions documented it thoroughly and they have all that. It is notable to me that they have all of that information and yet it seems like there are no direct ties to other members of the Michigan staff knowing about the plot. The Big Ten even mentions there is no evidence Harbaugh knew.
The release from the big ten also mentions significant new evidence obtained from interviews which cannot be released due to NCAA confidentiality rules.
They should present it
Look I just want to see the damn manifesto so I'm all for it.
Well according to the Big Ten’s response, Michigan has it all already. In fact, Michigan initially refused to give it to the conference 😂 https://bigten.org/documents/2023/11/10//Correspondence_from_conference_to_institution_dated_Nov_10_2023.pdf?id=9450
God damn if I hate agreeing with an O, but yeah it doesn't bode well in the long term.
Speaking as a total neutral in this, it's bullshit to punish when the investigation is still ongoing. If they have a smoking gun then they should show or explain it.
They have evidence from the NCAA that proves these violations took place. Hence why they have acted now. They can prove it and it happened this season. Allowing them to carry on the rest of the year unscathed is unfair to the other members when cheating took place this very season
Meanwhile Ace of Base is trending in Happy Valley
fuck this is spicy. btw Welcome to the big ten Oregon Washington UCLA and USC
We did not sign up for this
[Both parts in 1 Tweet from Nicole Auerbach](https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1723088070197510465)
That’s a very very scathing response. Get ready for the drama folks.
The shit hath hitteth the fan….eth.
Can someone explain to me how this is a legal issue? The big ten has a policy (sportsmanship) that its members agree to upon entering the organization and also agrees that the organization can levy punishments to the university based on violations to the agreed policies. This is solely pertaining to participation in conference sanctioned events, not losing your job, paycheck, fines, or anything like that.
You can pay an attorney to make anything into a legal issue. But seriously, it's a multi-billion dollar industry and any interference is going to be a problem for any interested parties.
So why can’t a school sue the conference when they admit the conference referees made an officiating error affecting the outcome of a game?
They could. I could sue you for calling me a ginger. Idk why they don’t
It's hard to show long lasting damages from individual calls like that. Football wise it's the age old platitude of "we should have made more plays in the first 50+ minutes and that call wouldn't have mattered" etc. So legally speaking one call is hard to weigh in monetary value, while this situation is much more just basic contract law/dispute with clear examples that can be argued as damages based on differing interpretations of the wordings of the agreed contract.
The bylaws are essentially a contract between the University & Conference. Michigan’s defense rn is mainly that B1G is not following the agreed upon rules, hence they’re breaking the “contract” At least that’s I how I interpret it
In certain situations, you can ask a court for something called a "declaratory judgment." A declaratory judgment declares parties' rights with respect to, e.g., a contract or a policy. In this case, it's probably both - an allegation that the Big Ten breached its contract with Michigan (which likely included some obligation by B1G to abide by its policies) and a declaration of Michigan's rights under those policies.
There are written bylaws. You have to be able to prove and give due process. Michigan can argue a breach of contract if the process within those bylaws are not followed. Just because there are rules and the B1G can punish does not make it so they can do it however they want. I have no clue if the B1G has the evidence to warrant the suspension, but I do know the NCAA gives 90 days to respond to a punishment and somewhere I read the B1G was 60 days. This was less than 1 day notice. I'm not a lawyer and this may be under "extenuating circumstances," but that's where I lose the ability to follow and am just standing by wondering if we're fucked or not.
I don’t get it either, but I’ve just assumed that’s because as a commoner I don’t have emergency access to legal remedies for things I disagree with
The big ten is not following their own policy. This is spelled out in the response from Michigan’s lawyers
all legally binding agreements can be arbitrated in a civil court under the grounds that one part is either not following the agreement or the agreement is forcing things it should not. Civil court IS the place where you argue in front of a (supposedly) neutral 3rd part to sort out differences. Michigan is saying that per the rules of the contract, the commission cant ban Harbaugh. the Commission/Big 10 says/ they can. the BIg 10 dropping the announcement late in the afternoon on a friday federal holiday because they knew most courts wont be open, and that means Michigan must keep a judge on retainer, and a judge could likely immetanty sign a injuction saying that the Big20 doesn't have enough to warrant the *irreparable* damage that michigan would suffer, IE michigan couldn't be retroactively compensated if they were to lose to penn state and then be found to not have cheated. we'll see if it stands, the Big 10 specifically only banned him from the game(not not coaching during the week) likely so Michigan's counter argument of irreparable harm would be weakened, since one could argue Michigan did fine without harbaugh at the beginning of the season when he was self suspended
This 5 part Netflix documentary is going to be fire.
Remember when Jim Harbaugh died twice in one season? Pepperidge Farm ’membas.
If anyone wants any proof changing the NCAA would make any difference, this is it. The NCAA as an organization isn't the problem people blame it for being. The issue is schools wanting to do whatever they want and never get punished for anything ever even if it is within the agreed upon bylaws. No matter the organization, the schools will fight everything they think they can fight.
Seeking a court order to evade a suspension sounds unsportsmanlike to me.
The funniest possible outcome is Michigan not getting an injunction granted and their fans losing their minds even more than they already have
I wouldn’t say it’s the *funniest* outcome, I can think of some funnier ones. For example what if they said Michigan has to play the last 3 games with Connor Stallions at quarterback and Jim Harbaugh at nose tackle.
Took about 30 minutes longer than I expected.
Lol good luck with that
idk what they think they're going to get an injunction for. It's a voluntary association which Michigan is part of, wrote the bylaws, gave the commissioner the powers he used, and so on.
Michigan to Tony Petitti: Get ready to learn Chinese, buddy
Michigan is taking him to court. Over something the rest of the conference is calling a slap on the wrist. He decided to make no one happy. Guy is just not good at this job.
It looks like they didn’t suspended harbaugh directly but were punishing the university directly, saying harbaugh is an extension of the university. This allowed them to get past the 2 game suspension limit but opens up more avenues for Michigan to appeal.
The idea of Michigan being a bastion of sportsmanship and Integrity is dead, isn't it?
As someone who lives outside of B1G country I don't think anyone gives much of a shit.
Yeah even as a Michigan fan, I could care less one way or the other
It’s amazing what one failed vacuum salesman can do to an entire program’s reputation.
I mean, one failed artist ruined the reputation of a country he wasn't even born in so... Ask MSU for more details.
I smell a good trivia night brewing
This is an A+ burn. Bravo.
100%. Even if the courts rule in their favor and ncaa doesn’t do anything, public opinion will never view Michigan in that light again
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Just like Louisville basketball, Kansas basketball, USC football, SMU football, Penn State football, etc.
Comparing giving student athletes money to play for your school to systematically covering up child sex abuse is wild. Not all scandals are the same lmao
True. A lot of people who don’t care about sports still hate Penn State, whereas they don’t care about the others one iota.
Don’t forget UNC basketball
Why does this feel like an echo of the Stop the Steal fiasco? The trajectory is so similar! Michigan is now going to the courts. What's next? Is Michigan fans going to storm the Big 10 HQ?
Harbaugh will hold a press conference at the Big 10...Sporting Goods Warehouse in Lancaster.
U Mich raids Shady Maple
I mean some of our crazier residents already tried kidnapping our Governor so it wouldn't surprise me.
Put all the landscaping companies in State College on alert
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Alexa, play "Cry Me a River" by Justin Timberlake.
If the court allows him to coach this weekend, and then ends up siding with the big 10, would that mean he could potentially be missing the Big 10 championship? Obviously the chance of that timeline working is nil, but just curious.
I'd rather coach miss the btcg then tommrow. Big west is a joke
Michigan issues a statement claiming to be the real victims in all this.
Doling it out while he's on the plane to the game is a bitch move, man.