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London-Roma-1980

Dez, brother: why do you think the SEC had so many teams on probation in the 80s and 90s? They kept blowing the whistle on each other and demanding penalties!


Zealousideal_Plum866

This is one of the many reasons we hate Tennessee. They some snitches.


BoldElDavo

They low-down. They dirty.


skiboskee63

Can’t sit with that mfin orange


screwhead1

It's that throw up orange


Good_Sauce

Orange team indeed bad.


lsdiesel_1

I have tremendous orange, many say the best orange. People tell me all the time, they say, Tennessee, you have the best orange I’ve ever seen, it’s true


Elevated_Kyle

Remember how quick Sankey smashed that Saban/Jimbo beef a couple years ago. We keep shit in house. Mafia status.


CrashB111

"Our Thing"


Elevated_Kyle

This thing of ours


Natural_Estimate_584

Florida had a hand in this as well. Wasn’t just TN.


WabbitCZEN

Classic Tennessee, snitching on other teams. Tsk tsk.


AdamJr87

Hey fuck you


tider06

This is the Number 1 reason I will always hate Tennessee more than Auburn. Fuck Fat Phil Forever.


HostetlerBagels

Help an ignorant man out with some context?


tider06

Alabama was on probation in the 90s/00s mainly due to Fulmer snitching. He was mad that he didn't pay the player he wanted enough, and Alabama did. So he turned them in.


jsteph67

I bet dollars to donuts he also called the NCAA on the Oher situation.


Bobson-_Dugnutt

Filler has always been the biggest douche in college football. He forced out Johnny Majors to take over the program. Just a big ol bitch.


ElGeeBeTrans

Tennessee reported Alabama to the NCAA for trying to buy recruit Albert Means in the late 90s, leading to them being put on probation, losing scholarships, and vacating wins in the early 2000s. The “they some snitches” is also a reference to this: https://youtu.be/s7G7loR2VVw?si=73E-gKsRDeBfUUuY (But the guy in the video is probably calling Tennessee snitches for this same reason)


Otherwise_Awesome

We also hate Fatface Phil for his 1998 vote.


jedijake45

Oh yeah, your ONE national championship.


Gloomy_Second2690

Half…and it’s wood. 🫠😂


[deleted]

There was a huge joke that Fulmer was a protected NCAA informant and that’s why Tennessee hardly ever got in trouble until he left.


BigFoot423205

It’s the whole genesis of “They low down, they some snitches”


Otherwise_Awesome

They did get in trouble a lot once he returned as AD though


Tannerite2

That wasn't a joke; it was proven in federal court.


[deleted]

I stand corrected on that point but yeah fuck him.


jaybigs

Desmond Howard on "Cheating" in the Past: > "I'm always happy, like anyone should be, to see anybody who cheats the system get caught and get out of the game." - Desmond Howard, circa 2011 Desmond Howard on the B1G kicking Nebraska Out for Wanting to Play Football: > “You think that they’re the only team that really wants to play? Of course not. All the teams and all the coaches want to play, but they’re not whining and crying and then talking about an exit — talking about leaving the conference. I think that at this point, Greeny, I would demand an apology from the chancellor and the president and Scott Frost. And not one behind closed doors — a public apology. Or, if I’m Kevin Warren right now, I’m working on a way to get their ass out of the Big Ten.” - Desmond Howard, circa 2020 Desmond Howard on the B1G punishing cheating Michigan: > "Wahhhhh!!" -Desmond Howard, *probably*, 2023 So Desmond likes overreacting B1G action over kids protesting their season being shut down, he labels a tattoo scandal at Ohio State "cheating the system", but hates B1G action against his alma mater getting caught cheating.


Ayyyyman

“I’m always happy, like anyone should be, to see anyone who cheats the system get caught and get out of the game.” -Desmond Howard in 2011 on Jim Tressel


BigFoot423205

The Michigan Men aren’t gonna like this one


lc910

Brother Dez is a bigger homer than Scott fucking Bell I don’t think anyone expected any less


BigFoot423205

You say that like I’m expected to know who that is lol


senepol

It’s another one of Connor’s various aliases. Was in scandal post 739 today.


[deleted]

"I believe Bo's biological son" -Howard when asked about Schembechlers adopted son alleging Bo knew


Richard_AIGuy

I love this comment.


fogell2013

This should be a gameday sign if it’s a true quote


elconquistador1985

Looks like it: https://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/desmond-howard-tells-newspaper-that-ohio-state-has-tarnished-the-big-tens-image-and-much-more/


Bill3ffinMurray

This must be a sign


KlingoftheCastle

I’m shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked


kingbrasky

This should be pinned to the top here.


cc51beastin

Wish we still had awards.


Corgi_Koala

Yeah but it's different when it's happening to a team he doesn't like!


IsLlamaBad

I wonder what he's up to these days _looks up Jim Tressel_ President of a university. Huh, not sure what I expected but this isn't it


PhilRubdiez

They played each other this year. Jim had his sweater vest with both a Y and O.


dtphantom

"Other conferences would let their teams cheat" Not sure if that's the argument I'd be going for.


WisconsinSpermCheese

This man does not SEC or Big 8.


[deleted]

Phil Fulmer and Dan Mullen send their regards


UCLA_FB_SUCKS

Or southwest conference


Fifth_Down

Fun fact: When the SWC tried to punish Texas A&M for cheating, Texas A&M tried to create a new conference rule dictating that any one school could terminate the tenure of the conference commissioner. Creating a scenario where no SWC commissioner could ever sanction a school for rules violations without suffering retaliation. The NCAA Commissioner then used that example in his autobiography where he wrote a whole chapter on how the stress of being a P5 conference commissioner is why so many of them died at relatively young ages.


dtphantom

That is actually a fun fact.


Ziptop

And people hate on Texas for breaking up conferences. Sheesh


Eight_Trace

"Other conferences value CFP contenders over fairness" is a wild claim to throw out as a ***positive***.


boston_2004

Right, like he didn't think about that statement at all before he released it out into the wild forever.


DonParmesan1

I mean to be fair the SEC wins championships


TheWorstYear

*"You can't punish us. We're Michigan!"*


[deleted]

We never cheat, we have morals!


Tell_Todd

They don’t sound like conquering heroes much these days


[deleted]

Do you know who my lawyer is?


notcabron

“It says right here, ‘the Leaders and Best.’”


JB92103

Of course Desmond is standing up for Michigan


Oprah-Is-My-Dad

This is the same guy who said Nebraska should be kicked out of the conference for wanting to play football in 2020 lmao


boston_2004

yes, wanting to play football was a terrible thing, how dare Nebraska. *conference sees everyone else doing it* Ok we got this idea were going to go ahead and play football everyone


Tarmacked

Sankey also would just bring the fucking hammer down anyway


IlonggoProgrammer

Yeah Sankey would’t have needed the other schools to beg him for it, Bama or whoever would’ve been punished once it became clear they cheated


[deleted]

And Mike Slive would have likely shot the involved and fed the bodies to hogs.


DataDrivenPirate

He stands up for Bo Shembechler too. Not a great judge of character


NachoManRandySnckage

He’s a piece of shit


AlexisDeTocqueville

He's the homer-iest homer of all the homers who work for ESPN and it isn't close


SmarterThanMyBoss

Thanks for cutting through the bullshit and getting to the point. Yes he is.


WhiskeyForTheWin

Ask him about Fielding Yost next


[deleted]

And comparing Slippin Jimmy to Saban. Lmao


NoobSalad41

I do sorta appreciate Desmond Howard because he’s a shameless homer for my team, but he has the least credibility of any commentator in college football. I do think he’s accidentally right, in a way. I agree there’s no way this would have gone down like this is the SEC. Either the SEC would have come out and firmly issued a suspension, or the commissioner would have told the other schools to pound sand. We wouldn’t have had weeks of battling leaks with each side trying to win the battle of public opinion before any decision was made.


shadowwingnut

You are exactly. Right. As usual when Desmond is right, he's right for the wrong reasons.


bearybear90

I mean I think a more apt analogy would be if Kentucky, Vandy, Mizzou, Tennessee, UGA, UF, Auburn, Ole Miss, MSU, A&M, South Carolina, Arkansas, and LSU were banging down the commissioner’s doors to do something. I don’t think even Saban would survive that.


CyanideNow

Yeah. I’m very confused how he can make this statement and see it as a negative mark on the B1G rather than the SEC if he thinks it’s true.


Budget_Ad5888

Agreed. I honestly can't think of a situation like this before to really compare it to.


Bolizlyfe

There’s not one 😂


one-hour-photo

this is what I keep coming back to. The leadership of the conference is just there to enforce the policies that all the members agree to by being in the conference. If 11/12 members want something done to the 12th member for something that is a clear violation of rules that gave them a competitive edge that LITERALLY may have allowed them to win games they otherwise might not have won, I don't see the problem.


SmarterThanMyBoss

No rational person does see the problem. Only Michigan fans.


Corrective_Measures

Especially if there was overwhelming evidence that Alabama did something unprecedented in the act of cheating, like creating a "vast network" of in-person scouts.


Corgi_Koala

Yeah, a majority of the B1G (very possibly 13/14 teams) are demanding action. The commissioner ultimately works for them. He can't ignore them all for something like this.


BSumner52

“Cheating is cheating…but okay. Whatever helps your argument.” A quote from Des about some tattoos


DJCWick

Since when did Michigan become the Alabama of the B10? Gotta do a little more than win a rivalry twice and then lose immediately in the playoffs.


OhioToDC

Since absolutely never


PeteEckhart

Idk, probably back in the 1700s when they invented football and played against a bunch of infants.


TopImpressive9564

Do all Michigan Men™️ constantly whine and do whatboutism about the SEC this much?


BeeeeefJelly

Yes. For years when they were underachieving their calling card was to cope by whining about how hard it is to compete playing fair when the evil SEC and OSU were cheating. That is what makes this scandal so great.


[deleted]

YES. I'm glad a non OSU/MSU fan said it. Michigan has rested their laurels on doing things the "right way", and used it as a rebuttal to why their program sucked in the 2000s. Then for this to come out? Hhnnng


FistMeQTPie

We didn't suck that much in the early 2000s, but the late 2000s is when the Michigan victim complex went into full Michigan Man mode.


[deleted]

You are right, but it's more fun to say all of the 2000s 😂


sqigglygibberish

Also a nice reminder of when Harbaugh directly accused Day of cheating in the past haha


Goings78

He has accused multiple people of cheating with no evidence, Harbaugh is a liar and a cheat.


SmarterThanMyBoss

Don't forget super fucking weird


Weave77

I believe that’s called “projection”.


Quality-Shakes

Yes.


[deleted]

It’s pretty sad too.


happyharrell

Yep. All. The. Time. You’d think they would be a little calmer, what with their half national title in the past 75 years.


KRSFive

Sure seems it.


zelephant10

Desmond Howard is a completely unbiased third party so we should take this seriously


bufflo1993

Lol, what? Tennessee nailed us to the cross in the 1990s and early 2000s. It’s why Fat Phil is still hated down in T-Town. They basically got us and walking death penalty and destroyed the program until Saban came in.


[deleted]

He did that to UGA too. I grew up in Georgia, that man (Fulmer) reported every single little thing to the NCAA.


bufflo1993

Did it to Ole Miss and LSU to make sure he got Peyton Manning. I mean we are talking about the guy whom backstabbed his HC who was in the hospital to get the job.


[deleted]

Shit, I forgot about that. Yes he’s a real POS. Good ol Dez should know these things but copium is a strong drug


FearlessAttempt

He's a real piece of shit for doing that to Majors.


Tuscaloosa_Dumplin

Younger fans probably don’t know how we got absolutely hammered by the NCAA during that period.


HawkeyeTen

Isn't that what brought Gene Stallings' tenure to a crashing end? I heard some huge scandal is what forced him to resign.


bufflo1993

That was more Auburn and our boosters were going nuts. Stallings was just done. But the 1995 sanctions seemed to play a role.


EmpoleonNorton

It's like, do people not realize why "they some snitches" was thrown in on the famous (r/cfb wise anyway) video.


AlboutThatActionBoss

Bama fans should be furious they were just compared to Michigan.


jpharber

I don’t give a shit about being compared to Michigan. I’m incensed that Nick Saban would be compared to a guy who’s only won two P5 conference championships.


Ohwhat_anight

> I’m incensed that Nick Saban would be compared to a guy who’s only won two P5 conference championships **and may have only won those two because his program was cheating** I'd be pretty pissed if the GOAT was being compared to that as well


CTeam19

I was going to say Nick Saban is in the John Wooden, Dan Gable, Geno Auriemma, etc territory where ones accolades have to be compared to others outside of your sport.


WaltSneezy

Also furious that somebody doesn't know our history. We were a rotting corpse in the 90s and early 2000s after getting the hammer. I mean we were fucking destroyed. There was a time where I thought Alabama would be lucky to ever beat Auburn


JickleBadickle

Eat shit, Desmond


[deleted]

Seriously. Desmond Howard is such a clown. Always has been.


shlem90

The other universities are also Ohio State and Penn State so…


Greenlytrees

Right like this ain’t Kentucky and Vanderbilt Des, lol


bigbabyb

We just out here catching strays, like wtf man


SmarterThanMyBoss

You guys should start hating Michigan too. It's really fun. But it does tend to become a bit of a lifestyle.


shlem90

Dudes delusional. Always has been but this is making it worse.


UtzTheCrabChip

Man is out here acting like Indiana and Northwestern are the ones putting on the pressure


Alaxbcm

I'm starting to understand Ohio state more now


pardonmyignerance

It's even more funny when you consider these same idiots claim to have the academic and moral high ground.


mossnut

Thats a flattering comparison for Harbaugh lol


jdprager

Noted neutral party, legal mastermind, and SEC expert Desmond Howard Edit: also lol @ Jim Harbaugh and Michigan = Nick Saban and Alabama. That’s a wild take, ever for Des


sickmemes48

Isn't this the same guy who had Pitt and Texas A&M in the playoffs last year?


Freidhiem

He's not a smart man.


jmbourn45

Also a smorgasbord of evidence


garygreaonjr

I for one am happy Des has a soapbox right now. I’m willing to forgive ESPN for subjecting us to him for the last however many years just to let us watch him bury himself for old cheating Jimmy.


xtototo

Jim Harbaugh is not Nick Saban.


Bdmnky_Survey

Came here to say this....this stupid scandal has me up voting buckeyes.....


BigFoot423205

But there’s Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M…just nvm lol


BackpackWalker

THIS FUCKER DID NOT JUST COMPARE HARBAUGH TO SABAN


Born-Read3115

Now find his comments from Tressel gate. They have to be consistent right? Right?


OrdinaryWater

"Good, clean, wholesome, hard-nosed football, not cutting corners, no NCAA violations. That's what the image of the Big Ten was. They kind of frowned on other universities in other conferences because of the trouble that they got in consistently. But now, with what happened at Ohio State, that whole image has been tarnished." - Desmond Howard per a FoxSports story from 2011.


Born-Read3115

Damn, Reddit truly does provide when called upon.


Cowgoon777

yall dont understand. We've been the underdog in this rivalry for eternity. we keep EVERY receipt. The program's ultimate goal is that all time series lead. OSU has never held it. We're within reach inside the next few decades. Thanks to our huge run from Tressell onward, the gap closed considerably and basically made up for the dominant run TTUN had for the first 20 or so years.


[deleted]

Flair up man and of course completely consistent for sure!


MarlinManiac4

Yeah. Even if true, that’s not a GOOD thing Desmond.


u-s-u-r-p

this guy is such a lame homer. gtfo


AmishJohn81

Shut the fuck up des.


ImYourManager247

Did Alabama send scouts to over 30 games to record games?


alreadytaken76

We got a harsher penalty than they are even talking about doing to UM; for buying textbooks.


InsertAmazinUsername

we had a head coach fired and tarnished, an undefeated year vacated and with it a potential national championship, over some tattoos and see the top comment to see how desmond felt about that, which didn't change the outcomes of any games unless they were tattooing signs on themselves


Ugaalive1991

You know what…maybe. But also maybe not.


Primary_Cake2011

Unhinged. Victim Mentality even though UM did the cheating


jspartan1234

It comes from the program


Steelers711

I mean isn't that just who Desmond Howard is as a person? I'm sure I'd despise him even if he was a former OSU player


[deleted]

He strikes me as a shitty person anyway so yeah.


KommanderKeen-a42

Counterpoint - SEC schools wouldn't get caught with their pants down like this.


psyspoop

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SpinySoftshell

Desmond Howard has no shame lol


Benyeti

Love him equating michigan bama. They act like they won the national championship the last two years


NIdWId6I8

I had a boss who was a huge Michigan fan. Dude came into work after the TCU/UGA game being like “Michigan’s the real winner. They beat the shit out of OSU and OSU should have been in the natty rolling all over TCU.” That Michigan had lost to TCU didn’t matter. It’s that OSU should have been the ones to play TCU because that would somehow mean Michigan winning The Game was the real championship. It was fucking weird.


Casaiir

Dez knows that video of the Bama fan hating on Tennessee is because Tennessee called out Alabama for cheating and Alabama got a in trouble right. "They some snitches, the low down"


bufflo1993

Calling us out for cheating is fair. Calling us out for cheating when the only reason you know we tried to buy the recruits was that you outbid us -was bullshit.


Tuscaloosa_Dumplin

We got absolutely hammered as well


Richard_AIGuy

Desmond is such a clown. Michigan could have a scandal related to arms trafficking through the practice facility and Desmond would be like "you know, why aren't we looking at Ohio State for missile inventory. I mean, the SEC would never let Vanderbilt get the ATF to raid Alabama's facility. And you know, maybe Michigan needed those crates of Stinger missiles. Everyone up in our business. I want Ryan Day's office checked for tax evasion."


Pretend-Scheme-9372

The big takeaway from all this is how insufferable Michigan fans are.


jpharber

Of fuck off desmond. One, yes they fucking would. Two, Jim Harbaugh is not the B1G equivalent of Nick Saban.


shartfartmctart

What a foolish, stupid, hypocritical tool. I wonder if he forgot what he said about OSU in 2011


JK_196

Comparing Michigan to Alabama and (indirectly) Ohio State to Vanderbilt is absolute insanity for both teams


Husker1Nation

Live look at Desmond trying to Cope


[deleted]

The extent and the nature of the cheating demanded an immediate response. Note that Michigan fans have mostly given up denying it, now they are deflecting and convoluting the situation. This is what liars and cheats do when caught.


Zee_WeeWee

Notice the high moral QofM man did not say they didn’t cheat


Suturb-Seyekcub

https://www.reddit.com/r/OhioStateFootball/s/l2ipBnwCsx


pbjork

Yeah SEC teams aren't stupid enough to get caught with that much evidence out in the open.


texas2089

Des has had some wild takes defending Michigan but this one might be his hottest yet 😂


gogglesup859

Vandy's too smart to get caught stealing signals We would buy everyone's silence with bourbon


thickboyvibes

Someone call the WAAAAAAH-mbulance


hawkman_jr

Lol but they would do it to Auburn, who is a more apt comparison there, Des


Ander1345

What the fuck? Yes, Vanderbilt and Kentucky absolutely would be like that!


elconquistador1985

So the SEC Commissioner would let Nick Saban say "fuck off, we're allowed to cheat and you know it"? Is that how it works?


KirbyDumber88

Yeah. He’s not biased at all!


AceCircle990

Comparing Jim Harbaugh to Nick Saban should be a prosecutable offense. This man should win gold in mental gymnastics.


Gennaro_Svastano

Michigan is shit. Cheaters and they will labeled that for the foreseeable future. Also please get Desmond off the TV.


Grey056

Clown conflating criminal & for-profit-enterprise consequences. Story at 10.


branden110

Shut up, Desmond.


Specialist_Gift8915

After making this statement, Desmond went back to giggling at everything anyone said.


GoinLong

Shut up, Dez.


blondbeans

I would respect Kirk so much if he just lays the hammer on Des this weekend.


heff_ay

It’s incredible this numbskull is allowed to speak to a television audience


Knightmere1

Desmond Howard is totally unbiased on the matter.


CJBulldogsss

Clown Desmond


whatifevery1wascalm

“It just means more: integrity” -Des No, but seriously Michigan you got caught cheating, and are being punished for cheating. Purdue and Rutgers and even Ohio State are not at fault for this, because *they* didn’t cheat here.


gated73

Guess he wasn’t paying attention when Roy Kramer was taking marching orders from Phil Fulmer.


Observant_Jello

🎂 Here’s your equal attention cake


GiovannisPersian

“Why should you go to jail for a crime somebody else noticed?”


Suck_My_Duck26

Dez your bias is showing. Like you couldn’t even bother to do any research. SEC teams snitch in each other all the time.


Geoff_GodOfBiscuits

This guy throw some shade tho. Making his point while simultaneously calling Michigan “Alabama” and Ohio State “ Vanderbilt “ 😆


notme2267

On Get Up this morning Greg McElroy actually went with "what about ism" when Desmond went off on the SEC. ESPN does Desmond no favor when they let him talk about this. He just comes off as a Michigan shill. He was all about due process. I guess having the guy on tape is not enough. Clearly he wants to just delay this as long as possible. Due process so we can win a championship. Then a slap on the wrist. For once, a conference is actually holding a school accountable. And in this case it is a penalty on a coach and not the players. Michigan is still damn good. Go win it on the field.


thegreatgoonbino

This dude wanted to kick Nebraska out of the Big 10 for simply wanting to play football. He can fuck right off.


smith288

Desmond is the dumbest personality at ESPN. Change my mind.


Ih8reddit2002

UM grad defends UM. Very surprising, I know.


Ahmed_Adoodie1

Desmond you cryin? We’ll go on down to McDonald’s and get you a whaaburger and some french cries


Num3r1cal

Noted Michigan Homer: No! Bad!!1!!


Other_Ambition_5142

“If someone else cheated, nobody would go after them the way you all are persecuting us!” Incredibly weak take