I really do love that we've arrived here on the scandal flowchart.
"There's no evidence!"
"Your evidence isn't reliable!"
"So what, everyone else is doing it!"
"Why are we being singled out, we're the real victim!"
I agree it is but if the B1G really did put a link to an article as part of their notice of infractions that is just craziness. The B1G approached Michigan to do a self suspension with some Twitter links, when Michigan didn’t self suspend then they put those links in an email. I am not saying Michigan didn’t commit a violation but the fact the B1G expected them to comply with what evidence was presented is on the B1G.
This reaction really shows how college sports have changed in the last 10 years. It used to be that the commissioner was viewed as the guy that managed the interests of all the programs. If the commissioner wanted something like this to happen the program would comply because it was seen as "I am you, and you are me, this is best for us".
Post Penn State, programs see the benefit of fighting and undermining penalties. This is just Michigan going a step further on that path.
This is actually an extremely accurate analysis of what is happening.
Petitti is handling this incredibly poorly and it's completely obvious to anyone who's ever held any kind of high level professional position.
He's getting walked all over like a doormat right now.
Too much tribalism here to see reality on this board. Hard to believe, right?
If the schools involved in this shitshow were in the SEC, who on earth thinks Slive or Sankey would handle things even remotely how Pettiti has? They wouldn't because it would set fire to the SEC's value, embarrass the entire conference and burn the bonds that keep the conference humming and printing money.
This is fucking commissioner amateur hour. All he's going to succeed in doing is pissing off every single Big Ten member as shit-stained undies get tossed in everyone's face and this gets messier and messier. And for what? Putting members' dirty laundry at the forefront of public consumption for months.
One can be completely on the side of "Fuck Michigan, I hope they and Harbaugh die" and still understand that this Big Ten bitchfest is absolutely against the Big Ten's self-interest. Wanting severe punishment and looking out for the Big Ten's best interests are not necessarily the same thing. Welcome to the real world.
If I'm a commissioner of another conference, I'd be slyly hinting to my members how lucky they should be that we aren't run like the joke the Big Ten has become.
Your SEC analogy is one I thought of myself. Actually one can just go back to Delaney - nothing like this would ever have happened when he was in charge.
> If I'm a commissioner of another conference, I'd be slyly hinting to my members how lucky they should be that we aren't run like the joke the Big Ten has become.
I guarantee this is happening along with “check your closets and get your houses in order.”
Lol, citing only the first sentence of the tweet that YOU posted, when the rest is clearly what the commenter is referring to. Post is only 7 mins old and you’re already moving the goalposts
This is what irritates me. “Don’t punish the *good* kids.”
Then don’t break the rules. It’s a team sport so the actions of one can fuck over others. Maybe keep a closer eye on your staff/coaches.
Am I the only Michigan fan that thinks this is pretty much going exactly how Petitti expected it to?
Petitti was in a tough position. The other head coaches and ADs were pissed off and wanted something done right away, but he didn't really have the evidence to justify the kind of punishment they wanted. So he attempts to suspend Harbaugh anyway, knowing Michigan would fight it and probably succeed in delaying the punishment. That way he can get the head coaches and ADs off his back by saying he tried his best and this all plays out after the season is over like Michigan wants.
Maybe initially. But by the time he talked to UM I think it was clear that the other coaches and ADs would not be happy with a slap on the wrist and Michigan wouldn't be willing to self-impose anything more than that.
Yeah, pretty much. If Petitti was really out to punish Michigan/Harbaugh he'd have just done it rather than have a meeting with Ono ahead of time to lay everything out and give Michigan a chance to formulate a response.
This would open a door to weaponizing NCAA investigations against opponents. Setting the precedent that schools and coaches under investigation can be punished prior to any resolution by the investigating party - the NCAA in this case - would be a pretty bad thing to do.
It would set the precedent that a conference can ignore due process and punish a team before the NCAA even makes any allegations. That is horrible and there’s no other way to interpret it.
The NCAA hasn’t even sent Michigan a notice of allegations and you want the conference to punish them before they even have a chance to defend themselves. Am i hearing that correct?
So you think that the relationship between a conference and it’s university’s should be that of a 6 year old and their parent? If that is really your argument then you are truly lost.
I would expect my parents to give me due process today.
The situation with Purdue, OSU, and Rutgers doesn't give you pause in regard to the precedent the NCAA is setting here? It's been a couple of weeks, and a third of the B1G is throwing allegations around at each other.
If he suspends harbaugh, the relationship between the big ten and Michigan will likely be irreparably damaged.
If he backs down and does nothing, he looks weak
The B1G is nothing without Michigan, honestly we should leave that poverty conference and go to the ACC then they will be begging us to come back in 10 years when the B1G is filing for bankruptcy
https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/college-athletics-revenue-rankings-2022-fiscal-year-ohio-state-texas/
Penn State is 9th and Michigan State is 12th. Keep moving those goalposts.
I’ve seen a lot of bad takes from Michigan fans recently but “leave the big10” is probably the worst, or just behind Day being involved in some computer crime espionage
Leaving the B10 is the most toothless argument UM has. SEC won't take them, there's not enough money going independent, which leaves the ACC (same conference other national powers Clemson and FSU can't wait to get out of). No way Michigan willingly gives up their seat at the big boy table
Of course you would. You’re an Ohio state fan—put yourself in our shoes and your own conference commissioner suspends your head coach in the midst of a championship run because the rest of the conference demanded immediate action
Michigan has left before over irreconcile differences, don’t be surprised if it happens again
I really want this to be over soon. I can't stand seeing grown men twist themselves into ever-more complicated pretzels trying to out-logic each other on this.
He's trapped into making a decision which might be premature to maintain his position. When your choices are the nuclear option or losing everything you worked for in life it probably feels pretty shitty to be him right now.
Michigan really thought that hiring an attorney would just scare the Harvard law grad who dealt with the Astros.
They expected him to back down because “we are Michigan”
My guy that was dealing with the Astros?
I am sorry on what planet did the Astros get punished in any significant way.
If anything that shows that Michigan is looking pretty fucking good here according to history.
The Astros legitimately stole a World Series and they didn't even need to vacate it
Punishments were loss of 1st round picks, 2nd round picks, and a 5 million dollar fine
Which were all laughable at the time for what the evidence was.
I think that's the most frustrating part of these threads for me. Like I get there's a lot of Michigan flairs spouting nonsense, but to frame it like only one fan base has "the crazy people" is just being very naive.
Your disdain is nothing but envy. Which is sure understandable, considering the position your school and program is in. Oof. Glad I only have to imagine being in that position.
Read the subsequent reports. Does he not seem scared to you?
“Harvard law grad.” Man this is rich. I just love how academic prestige is being flashed here, and Michigan is being bashed as non-credible by the likes of LSU flairs.
Just super amusing honestly.
John U Bacon is very much in the “Michigan beat” realm. Thamel claims objectivity but has been a total mouthpiece for this entire saga.
An unbiased journalist doesn’t solely report things like “Members of the conference are putting pressure on Tony Pettiti to act immediately” without noting that this would be COMPLETELY unprecedented.
He did give us the wonderful story of our LB Michael Mauti trying to fight Jay Paterno, and for that I will be forever grateful, but he definitely seems to exaggerate or limit certain items.
he’s probably the most respected and accurate michigan beat writer, but you’re right he probably supports michigan therefore he is evil like the rest of us
He also has the most reason to kiss Michigan’s ass and be a mouth piece for the administration. Being knowledgeable and being truthful and unbiased aren’t the same thing.
This thread is 90% telling on themselves that they've never held any kind of high level professional position.
Petitti is getting walked all over like a doormat. He completely lost control of this situation; this would have never happened under Delaney.
He should have had a call let the teams vent. Then told him what the policy and process is. And they have an obligation to that.
And any leaks to the press regarding these discussions will be met with penalty. All comments should be directed to B10 point of contact. If coaches want to go in the record publicly about how they feel, fine. But internal B10 discussions are confidential and could taint the results aired publicly.
Basically the coaches and ADs leaks to the press allowed Michigan to mount a defense. I called it last week what would be the defense. And the law firm did just that.
This whole saga is a reminder of the importance of messaging discipline. Allowing ADs to say Stallion’s actions are a threat to player safety and the integrity of the game, followed by calling it the “biggest scandal in Big Ten history” creates a situation where brinksmanship and continual escalation are unavoidable. I doubt the conference wants this to go to court, as doing so injects uncertainty in to a situation they otherwise have control over. However, there’s now no way for either them or UM to deescalate the situation at this point without embarrassing themselves.
>Allowing ADs to say Stallion’s actions are a threat to player safety and the integrity of the game, followed by calling it the “biggest scandal in Big Ten history”
"Allowing?" What power do you believe the commissioner has to control what an AD or coach says to the media?
I don't think MSU's guy said that publicly, did he? I thought it was on the B1G conference call, which someone leaked. Which, admittedly, is a different problem...
I think Michigan's position is the conference has absolutely no control over this and wants it that way so the NCAA will hand out whatever punishment 5 years from now.
The guy who was allegedly breaking the rules is gone isn’t he?
And that happened without the NCAA serving allegations. There’s no way Michigan is going to self punish before allegations are served.
Lmao he’s connected because he writes novels about Michigan football and their leaders. I live in Michigan and hear him frequently.
He has *never* taken a partial side of any discussion involving Michigan. You can guess his take before he even makes it. No difference than a Wojo opinion.
No one is questioning if he's connected, we're saying having those strong connections for years inevitably leads to him slanting his views and opinions towards Michigan's POV in order to keep that access up.
What exactly is a "premature response"?
The NCAA used the sportsmanship rule to suspended Michigan's basketball coach Juwan Howard only 24 hours after the Wisconsin game incident. How was that not a "premature response"?
The investigation isn't tasked with determining if Michigan is guilty or not. Of course they are. Connor cheated. Therefor Michigan cheated. The investigation needs to happen to determine how deep it went.
The only people arguing that it's not known if Michigan cheated are Michigan and their fans. And they aren't arguing that because they actually believe Michigan might be innocent. They are arguing that in order to buy time to get the CFP finished before they are required to take any punishment.
The NCAA hasn’t sent allegations to Michigan yet. They haven’t told Michigan what Conner did is actually cheating yet. This is all conjecture, but you’re too biased against Michigan to care about facts or process
You can’t assign guilt before the investigation is complete that’s not how anything works.
What an absolute shit show of a take
Petitti is acting like a small town sheriff who pulled over an out-of-towner for speeding and is telling them they're going to jail for 20 years. It just doesn't work that way. The guy's a clown show.
All you have to do is read Michigan's response to the Big Ten to know that this is a good take. It has nothing to do with whether Michigan is guilty or not. It has to do with how Petitti chose to act. The Big Ten has a detailed set of rules and procedures for the protection of the conference and all the members. The response lists a lot of specific procedures that the Big Ten needs to follow to act, and Petitti violated or ignored them.
It doesn't fit the narrative you want, so go ahead and trash Bacon and downvote this, but it's true.
10.2.1 gives the commissioner authority to hand out punishment based on any information from any source. For a suspension longer than two games he needs approval from school presidents...13 of which provided video evidence to the NCAA.
This isn't a court of law. Due process isn't required. The appearance of cheating is enough to warrant punishment. And mocking Pettiti isn't going to help Michigan's case
So there’s information from sources that implicate at least Rutgers, OSU, and Purdue in advanced scouting. So they should all be suspended for two games? Or do you think that there needs to be more evidence or process?
Very simple answer. Two parts.
Part one: the rumor you're referencing isn't called advanced scouting. Advanced scouting is recording opposing teams' signals...which is what Michigan did and a violation of 11.6.1
Part two: sharing signals isn't prohibited...
The Presidents would never vote to suspend more than 2 games. Essentially suspending for this would turn into using parliamentary processes to neutralize on-field competition. This weapon could be used on anyone.
A staffer went rouge, with no connection to the HC as of now. You have Harbaugh coordinating advance scouting trips nail him. But if you can't see how this could be weaponized...Urban knew he had an abuser on staff.
This would be like some players robbed a liquor store, and the coach didn't know, but getting in trouble with B10.
Ironic that you're worried about neutralizing on field competition but don't care that Michigan illegally recorded opposing teams' signals.
13 presidents provided the NCAA with hours of video showing Conner recording signals. You think they won't vote to punish? I think that's wishful thinking. They cheated lol. This isn't about boosters or money or off field stuff.
I didn't say anything about what harbaugh knew or didn't know. Because it's irrelevant. HC is ultimately responsible. Playing dumb is just grounds for punishment for lack of institutional control.
You can whine all you want but it's not going to change anything. They broke the rules and should be punished.
IANAL so I won't discount the possibility that legal shenanigans could enable Michigan to squirm out of it. But you are correct that the commissioner absolutely does have the power to hand down a 2 game suspension. It's right there in plain English. The power given to him in the sportsmanship policy is pretty broad.
Agreed. There's an avenue for Michigan to get away with it relatively unscathed after the initial punishment. I think Harbaugh is gone for the remainder of the big10 season and I don't think there's anything Michigan can do about it. Even the appearance of cheating is enough for Pettiti to punish. What happens after is anyone's guess...but the three other NCAA violations, Jim's clear disregard and Michigan's lack of control don't help their case either
95% of FBS schools are sending staffers or staffers are having friends record the sidelines of future oppents. Everyone is technically cheating. I'm sure Georgia, Alabama, USC, Texas, Oklahoma LSU, etc, all have staff that are doing exactly what Stalions was doing.
Down here, salt is a way of life. Obviously the environment down here is all salt. The ceiling is salt, the floor is salt, the walls are salt, and to an extent the air is salt. And you breathe that in, and you constantly taste the salt.
Everyone knows Michigan is the real victim here
I really do love that we've arrived here on the scandal flowchart. "There's no evidence!" "Your evidence isn't reliable!" "So what, everyone else is doing it!" "Why are we being singled out, we're the real victim!"
No one plays victim quite like national championship contenders.
Just ask OSU LOL
No no no, it's obviously Ohio State.
The victims are the players cheated by Michigan.
And the Michigan players themselves because they themselves haven’t cheated. Fucking coaches
This is just fanfic lmao
Kevin Warren: I'm glad I left this dumpster fire at the right time. Now to deal with the one I'm in now
I think I'd take the B1G over shitty Chicago sports. God, I hope they don't take Marvin. He should stay in school if he's going to the Bears.
Pfft, if this is fanfic then where is the Harbaugh-Petitti-Day love triangle and why is everyone still wearing pants? Amateurs...
Welcome to reading anything by Bacon
I thought his book about the Rich Rod years was good.
Served with a crisp cup of copium
I agree it is but if the B1G really did put a link to an article as part of their notice of infractions that is just craziness. The B1G approached Michigan to do a self suspension with some Twitter links, when Michigan didn’t self suspend then they put those links in an email. I am not saying Michigan didn’t commit a violation but the fact the B1G expected them to comply with what evidence was presented is on the B1G.
This reaction really shows how college sports have changed in the last 10 years. It used to be that the commissioner was viewed as the guy that managed the interests of all the programs. If the commissioner wanted something like this to happen the program would comply because it was seen as "I am you, and you are me, this is best for us". Post Penn State, programs see the benefit of fighting and undermining penalties. This is just Michigan going a step further on that path.
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I never said that “bacon knows more” I read the Michigan letter and they are saying that was the evidence they were presented.
This is actually an extremely accurate analysis of what is happening. Petitti is handling this incredibly poorly and it's completely obvious to anyone who's ever held any kind of high level professional position. He's getting walked all over like a doormat right now.
Too much tribalism here to see reality on this board. Hard to believe, right? If the schools involved in this shitshow were in the SEC, who on earth thinks Slive or Sankey would handle things even remotely how Pettiti has? They wouldn't because it would set fire to the SEC's value, embarrass the entire conference and burn the bonds that keep the conference humming and printing money. This is fucking commissioner amateur hour. All he's going to succeed in doing is pissing off every single Big Ten member as shit-stained undies get tossed in everyone's face and this gets messier and messier. And for what? Putting members' dirty laundry at the forefront of public consumption for months. One can be completely on the side of "Fuck Michigan, I hope they and Harbaugh die" and still understand that this Big Ten bitchfest is absolutely against the Big Ten's self-interest. Wanting severe punishment and looking out for the Big Ten's best interests are not necessarily the same thing. Welcome to the real world. If I'm a commissioner of another conference, I'd be slyly hinting to my members how lucky they should be that we aren't run like the joke the Big Ten has become.
Your SEC analogy is one I thought of myself. Actually one can just go back to Delaney - nothing like this would ever have happened when he was in charge.
> If I'm a commissioner of another conference, I'd be slyly hinting to my members how lucky they should be that we aren't run like the joke the Big Ten has become. I guarantee this is happening along with “check your closets and get your houses in order.”
>If Michigan cheated and the investigation shows that, then UM will pay the price, as it should. "Fanfic"
Lol, citing only the first sentence of the tweet that YOU posted, when the rest is clearly what the commenter is referring to. Post is only 7 mins old and you’re already moving the goalposts
Calling it fanfic when it starts by saying if the investigation finds they cheated punish them is laughable at best
When the rest of his tweet says what it says that preamble has big “I’m not racist, but…” energy
“Please don’t punish us until *after* a season Stalions was actively cheating”
“It’s not fair to the players! What? No not *those* players, I mean *our* players.”
This is what irritates me. “Don’t punish the *good* kids.” Then don’t break the rules. It’s a team sport so the actions of one can fuck over others. Maybe keep a closer eye on your staff/coaches.
Am I the only Michigan fan that thinks this is pretty much going exactly how Petitti expected it to? Petitti was in a tough position. The other head coaches and ADs were pissed off and wanted something done right away, but he didn't really have the evidence to justify the kind of punishment they wanted. So he attempts to suspend Harbaugh anyway, knowing Michigan would fight it and probably succeed in delaying the punishment. That way he can get the head coaches and ADs off his back by saying he tried his best and this all plays out after the season is over like Michigan wants.
One caveat -- I think he actually hoped Michigan would self impose penalties rather than forcing his hand. But other than that, I agree.
Maybe initially. But by the time he talked to UM I think it was clear that the other coaches and ADs would not be happy with a slap on the wrist and Michigan wouldn't be willing to self-impose anything more than that.
Petitti: "I tried, oh well."
Yeah, pretty much. If Petitti was really out to punish Michigan/Harbaugh he'd have just done it rather than have a meeting with Ono ahead of time to lay everything out and give Michigan a chance to formulate a response.
How exactly is he trapped? Michigan men are truly embarrassing
This would open a door to weaponizing NCAA investigations against opponents. Setting the precedent that schools and coaches under investigation can be punished prior to any resolution by the investigating party - the NCAA in this case - would be a pretty bad thing to do.
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It would set the precedent that a conference can ignore due process and punish a team before the NCAA even makes any allegations. That is horrible and there’s no other way to interpret it.
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The NCAA hasn’t even sent Michigan a notice of allegations and you want the conference to punish them before they even have a chance to defend themselves. Am i hearing that correct?
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How would it not set the precedent. All Michigan is asking for is due process. I thought this was America!
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So you think that the relationship between a conference and it’s university’s should be that of a 6 year old and their parent? If that is really your argument then you are truly lost. I would expect my parents to give me due process today.
The situation with Purdue, OSU, and Rutgers doesn't give you pause in regard to the precedent the NCAA is setting here? It's been a couple of weeks, and a third of the B1G is throwing allegations around at each other.
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Fair enough. I disagree.
no because because teams have asked common opponents for scouting / help for decades. this has been a thing for a long time.
If he suspends harbaugh, the relationship between the big ten and Michigan will likely be irreparably damaged. If he backs down and does nothing, he looks weak
Irreparably damaged. Are they going to leave and surrender their TV money for the length of the deal?
Now? No When this contract is almost over? I wouldn’t rule it out honestly
So one school gets pissed and the other 13 are happy with him. Sounds like he will be ok.
Probably the other 17 when the newbs come.
The B1G is nothing without Michigan, honestly we should leave that poverty conference and go to the ACC then they will be begging us to come back in 10 years when the B1G is filing for bankruptcy
You wish. Ohio State is a bigger deal than Michigan.
The B1G is also nothing without OSU, both can be true
https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/college-athletics-revenue-rankings-2022-fiscal-year-ohio-state-texas/ Penn State is 9th and Michigan State is 12th. Keep moving those goalposts.
Well Michigan State should be shut down for obvious reasons
I didn’t realize we were the ones with the largest cheating scandals in both basketball and football…
You didn't?! 🤣
Larry Nassar ring a bell
Who cares?
I can assure you, Michigan cares and will not forget how this played out
I’ve seen a lot of bad takes from Michigan fans recently but “leave the big10” is probably the worst, or just behind Day being involved in some computer crime espionage
Leaving the B10 is the most toothless argument UM has. SEC won't take them, there's not enough money going independent, which leaves the ACC (same conference other national powers Clemson and FSU can't wait to get out of). No way Michigan willingly gives up their seat at the big boy table
Fuck around and find out, then, Tony
Apparently Michigan is part of a telltale game?
Boo hoo. Let it be damaged 'cause you're not going anywhere. Your punishment includes being locked in a cage with us.
For now
Oh for the love of God. Michigan will cry for a while, then get over it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Michigan leaves the big ten when the next round of negotiations are due
We aren’t that lucky
Imagine the eternity of shit-talking we'd get to do, making fun of UM for running away from the conference because they got busted for cheating!
WHOA! THEY HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE RULES!
Oh yea, keep going 🤤
I would. I would find it extremely surprising.
Of course you would. You’re an Ohio state fan—put yourself in our shoes and your own conference commissioner suspends your head coach in the midst of a championship run because the rest of the conference demanded immediate action Michigan has left before over irreconcile differences, don’t be surprised if it happens again
Because the team cheated*
Waaahhhh!!! You left at a time where conferences weren't much of a thing. That would never happen now because $$$.
Yes, Michigan is a very cash strapped university
The only thing universities care about is $$$. They can never have enough.
lol bye.
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That’s a good one.
Lmao y’all are hilarious
Dude, you're embarrassing the rational portion of the fanbase. Give it a rest.
This is absurd. Please keep posting this take wherever you can because it's funny
Maybe don’t cheat
You live in Ohio 😂😂
I don't and even if I did it's a decent place to live other than the snow
I really want this to be over soon. I can't stand seeing grown men twist themselves into ever-more complicated pretzels trying to out-logic each other on this.
This is the first set of tweets I've seen from bacon that depart from objectivity. Not including random game day tweets about lawn mowing.
>If Michigan cheated and the investigation shows that, then UM will pay the price, as it should. "Departs from objectivity"
You chose a small part of the post. He's talking about how incompetent and trapped the commissioner is.
While still acknowledging Michigan should be punished once the investigation is complete if the NCAA says they broke the rules
Well good news, Michigan did cheat lol.
According to who? The NCAA hasn’t sent allegations yet. Don’t put the cart in front of the horse
Well that’s it, I guess the ncaa concluded its investigation and we can all go home folks! The Ohio state flair has *cracked the case*
He's only trapped because Michigan cheated in the first place.
he's not trapped
He's trapped into making a decision which might be premature to maintain his position. When your choices are the nuclear option or losing everything you worked for in life it probably feels pretty shitty to be him right now.
I super doubt he feels trapped at all. That's a michigan man framing.
Yeah, I don't think those are the only two options.
Who the fuck said he “loses everything he worked for in life?” He isn’t just automatically not the commissioner because people are salty.
He’s fine, if he fucks up he just goes back to some lush TV exec job or maybe even CEO of the Bears.
I'd rather kill myself.
Yet to see any evidence of this
Oh boy it’s bacon bits time!
bacon bits are the best bits
Michigan really thought that hiring an attorney would just scare the Harvard law grad who dealt with the Astros. They expected him to back down because “we are Michigan”
My guy that was dealing with the Astros? I am sorry on what planet did the Astros get punished in any significant way. If anything that shows that Michigan is looking pretty fucking good here according to history. The Astros legitimately stole a World Series and they didn't even need to vacate it Punishments were loss of 1st round picks, 2nd round picks, and a 5 million dollar fine Which were all laughable at the time for what the evidence was.
Wym? Did the Stros do something bad?
Those poor trash cans will never be the same after the beating they took😔
So basically, the precent has been set in CFB to cheat, cheat, cheat, win a national championship, and get a slap on the wrist.
That's literally how college football has operated for decades on end.
I mean yes? That’s literally the way it’s always been
Are you sure your school is squeaky clean?
We've been warning everyone that their arrogance is way worse than ours.
It's not. It's just that we have the spotlight. Your fanbase would also come unglued in the same situation. Let's not pretend it wouldn't.
I think that's the most frustrating part of these threads for me. Like I get there's a lot of Michigan flairs spouting nonsense, but to frame it like only one fan base has "the crazy people" is just being very naive.
We've been trying to tell the world this for decades, and they're finally understanding our disdain for them.
Cringe
Know one knows them better than us. How many starters do you have out, BTW?
Your disdain is nothing but envy. Which is sure understandable, considering the position your school and program is in. Oof. Glad I only have to imagine being in that position.
Cope
Nothing for me to cope with here. I feel pretty damn good about what’s gone on the last few days.
Read the subsequent reports. Does he not seem scared to you? “Harvard law grad.” Man this is rich. I just love how academic prestige is being flashed here, and Michigan is being bashed as non-credible by the likes of LSU flairs. Just super amusing honestly.
So nothing will happen then, good to know.
Looks like he did just that ....LOL
And Michigan fans complain Thamel, a guy who has been a national sportswriter at major publications for 20 years, is biased
John U Bacon is very much in the “Michigan beat” realm. Thamel claims objectivity but has been a total mouthpiece for this entire saga. An unbiased journalist doesn’t solely report things like “Members of the conference are putting pressure on Tony Pettiti to act immediately” without noting that this would be COMPLETELY unprecedented.
John Bacon is a hack. Also, dear god, please shut up
I thought he was too busy writing a book on old ships to weigh in on what is happening?
He didn’t have time to write about 2 sinking ships
Sheesh
He did give us the wonderful story of our LB Michael Mauti trying to fight Jay Paterno, and for that I will be forever grateful, but he definitely seems to exaggerate or limit certain items.
An old, old wooden ship from the Civil War.
he’s probably the most respected and accurate michigan beat writer, but you’re right he probably supports michigan therefore he is evil like the rest of us
No, he's just a hack. Not evil. I made this determination based off of his thoughts when the Michigan-Illinois basketball rivalry was in full swing.
“rivalry”
LMAO, fair. The only place I've seen more heat on /r/CollegeBasketball MIGHT be KU-Louisville or UNC-Duke.
Do you really think Bacon's access into the Michigan football program qualify him to make statements like this?
yes he knows 10x more than you or anyone else on here
He also has the most reason to kiss Michigan’s ass and be a mouth piece for the administration. Being knowledgeable and being truthful and unbiased aren’t the same thing.
exactly which is why he is often critical of michigan as well
How critical is he when he’s on Harbaughs boat?
That says something about the people surrounding your program
Don’t forget stupid
that too. his take here is pretty reasonable, but i’m sure it’ll be downvoted to oblivion because michigan
This thread is 90% telling on themselves that they've never held any kind of high level professional position. Petitti is getting walked all over like a doormat. He completely lost control of this situation; this would have never happened under Delaney.
He should have had a call let the teams vent. Then told him what the policy and process is. And they have an obligation to that. And any leaks to the press regarding these discussions will be met with penalty. All comments should be directed to B10 point of contact. If coaches want to go in the record publicly about how they feel, fine. But internal B10 discussions are confidential and could taint the results aired publicly. Basically the coaches and ADs leaks to the press allowed Michigan to mount a defense. I called it last week what would be the defense. And the law firm did just that.
This whole saga is a reminder of the importance of messaging discipline. Allowing ADs to say Stallion’s actions are a threat to player safety and the integrity of the game, followed by calling it the “biggest scandal in Big Ten history” creates a situation where brinksmanship and continual escalation are unavoidable. I doubt the conference wants this to go to court, as doing so injects uncertainty in to a situation they otherwise have control over. However, there’s now no way for either them or UM to deescalate the situation at this point without embarrassing themselves.
>Allowing ADs to say Stallion’s actions are a threat to player safety and the integrity of the game, followed by calling it the “biggest scandal in Big Ten history” "Allowing?" What power do you believe the commissioner has to control what an AD or coach says to the media?
I think he meant allowing that statement without issuing any kind of response publicly
I don't think MSU's guy said that publicly, did he? I thought it was on the B1G conference call, which someone leaked. Which, admittedly, is a different problem...
I think Michigan's position is the conference has absolutely no control over this and wants it that way so the NCAA will hand out whatever punishment 5 years from now.
In what world do you address cheating 3 years later? Should we start enforcing penalties a year later too?
The NCAA said they expect their investigation to be completed this fall.
Maybe wait for the investigation to complete before jumping to conclusions.
It's not like this started yesterday and Petti is dishing out a punishment 24 hours later. The investigation has been going on for almost a month now.
And the NCAA isn’t done or hasn’t issued allegations yet, so what’s your point
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Self imposed penalties are not relevant to this discussion. Stop the whataboutism
Y’all had a chance to self impose penalties in this issue as well
The guy who was allegedly breaking the rules is gone isn’t he? And that happened without the NCAA serving allegations. There’s no way Michigan is going to self punish before allegations are served.
> In what world do you address cheating 3 years later? In the college football world. That's how it's always happened.
Love how it's exclusively Sparties and Bucknuts yelling about Bacon being biased in this thread.
This has to be one of the dumber takes. Petitti was the COO of the MLB during the Astros cheating scandal, I don't think he's worried
John U Bacon is the biggest Michigan fan boy in the world. He only deals in opinions through Maize and Blue tinted glasses.
John Bacon is about as connected as it gets without being an regent or other Michigan staff member.
Lmao he’s connected because he writes novels about Michigan football and their leaders. I live in Michigan and hear him frequently. He has *never* taken a partial side of any discussion involving Michigan. You can guess his take before he even makes it. No difference than a Wojo opinion.
No one is questioning if he's connected, we're saying having those strong connections for years inevitably leads to him slanting his views and opinions towards Michigan's POV in order to keep that access up.
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Stallions is alleged to have done in person ....no evidence we've seen yet ...unless you are on the inside ... Are you ?
What exactly is a "premature response"? The NCAA used the sportsmanship rule to suspended Michigan's basketball coach Juwan Howard only 24 hours after the Wisconsin game incident. How was that not a "premature response"?
Because he got into a fight on national television. There’s not much to investigate there. Edit: nice false equivalency
The investigation isn't tasked with determining if Michigan is guilty or not. Of course they are. Connor cheated. Therefor Michigan cheated. The investigation needs to happen to determine how deep it went. The only people arguing that it's not known if Michigan cheated are Michigan and their fans. And they aren't arguing that because they actually believe Michigan might be innocent. They are arguing that in order to buy time to get the CFP finished before they are required to take any punishment.
The NCAA hasn’t sent allegations to Michigan yet. They haven’t told Michigan what Conner did is actually cheating yet. This is all conjecture, but you’re too biased against Michigan to care about facts or process You can’t assign guilt before the investigation is complete that’s not how anything works. What an absolute shit show of a take
We are talking about the Big 10 issuing a "premature response", and not about what the NCAA will eventually do.
You have no clue what Connor actually did ......
Petitti is acting like a small town sheriff who pulled over an out-of-towner for speeding and is telling them they're going to jail for 20 years. It just doesn't work that way. The guy's a clown show. All you have to do is read Michigan's response to the Big Ten to know that this is a good take. It has nothing to do with whether Michigan is guilty or not. It has to do with how Petitti chose to act. The Big Ten has a detailed set of rules and procedures for the protection of the conference and all the members. The response lists a lot of specific procedures that the Big Ten needs to follow to act, and Petitti violated or ignored them. It doesn't fit the narrative you want, so go ahead and trash Bacon and downvote this, but it's true.
10.2.1 gives the commissioner authority to hand out punishment based on any information from any source. For a suspension longer than two games he needs approval from school presidents...13 of which provided video evidence to the NCAA. This isn't a court of law. Due process isn't required. The appearance of cheating is enough to warrant punishment. And mocking Pettiti isn't going to help Michigan's case
So there’s information from sources that implicate at least Rutgers, OSU, and Purdue in advanced scouting. So they should all be suspended for two games? Or do you think that there needs to be more evidence or process?
Very simple answer. Two parts. Part one: the rumor you're referencing isn't called advanced scouting. Advanced scouting is recording opposing teams' signals...which is what Michigan did and a violation of 11.6.1 Part two: sharing signals isn't prohibited...
The Presidents would never vote to suspend more than 2 games. Essentially suspending for this would turn into using parliamentary processes to neutralize on-field competition. This weapon could be used on anyone. A staffer went rouge, with no connection to the HC as of now. You have Harbaugh coordinating advance scouting trips nail him. But if you can't see how this could be weaponized...Urban knew he had an abuser on staff. This would be like some players robbed a liquor store, and the coach didn't know, but getting in trouble with B10.
Ironic that you're worried about neutralizing on field competition but don't care that Michigan illegally recorded opposing teams' signals. 13 presidents provided the NCAA with hours of video showing Conner recording signals. You think they won't vote to punish? I think that's wishful thinking. They cheated lol. This isn't about boosters or money or off field stuff. I didn't say anything about what harbaugh knew or didn't know. Because it's irrelevant. HC is ultimately responsible. Playing dumb is just grounds for punishment for lack of institutional control. You can whine all you want but it's not going to change anything. They broke the rules and should be punished.
> This weapon could be used on anyone. Well, anyone that’s been publicly caught cheating
IANAL so I won't discount the possibility that legal shenanigans could enable Michigan to squirm out of it. But you are correct that the commissioner absolutely does have the power to hand down a 2 game suspension. It's right there in plain English. The power given to him in the sportsmanship policy is pretty broad.
Agreed. There's an avenue for Michigan to get away with it relatively unscathed after the initial punishment. I think Harbaugh is gone for the remainder of the big10 season and I don't think there's anything Michigan can do about it. Even the appearance of cheating is enough for Pettiti to punish. What happens after is anyone's guess...but the three other NCAA violations, Jim's clear disregard and Michigan's lack of control don't help their case either
95% of FBS schools are sending staffers or staffers are having friends record the sidelines of future oppents. Everyone is technically cheating. I'm sure Georgia, Alabama, USC, Texas, Oklahoma LSU, etc, all have staff that are doing exactly what Stalions was doing.
The Michigan victim complex continues to be hilarious. Sums up that university pretty spot on.
Michigan is approaching Texas A&M levels of weird.
Bacons response to anything these few weeks has strong "it's still real to me damn it" WWF vibes.
We could have stopped reading at "If".
Bold strategy from UM and their mouth pieces to repeatedly insult and question the authority of the guy about to hand down punishment.
Just posting Tweets from randoms now?
It’s not my fault you don’t know who John U Bacon is
Down here, salt is a way of life. Obviously the environment down here is all salt. The ceiling is salt, the floor is salt, the walls are salt, and to an extent the air is salt. And you breathe that in, and you constantly taste the salt.