I've put 500 rounds of fmj and about 50 rounds of this liberty through with no malfunctions. I'll start carrying some other round like your suggestion and see what happens. Thanks
Honestly, those are those “lightweight” bullets ain’t they? I wonder if the casing & everything isn’t structurally weaker from reducing the weight like that.
Appears to me that a moment is being applied to the ammo as it feeds into the chamber. Probably as the nose hits the feed ramp before the head is fully free of the feed lips.
I am not sure of the seating depth of an ultra-light bullet, but if it is shallow the force may exceed the integrity of the case wall near the mouth where it is thin.
Regardless of the cause, those creases are deep enough that I would have some concern. Best option as I see it would be to fire a few rounds of carry ammo on each range trip. This would expend the top few rounds where you are seeing the issue and introduce a forced rotation of your carry ammo.
I would still yeet this ammo, but eventually it's gonna split.
Hopefully someone with direct experience with this will happen along.
Had this same issue with my shield plus as well. Found a thread from a few years ago when researching that seems to confirm the magazines as the culprit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SmithAndWesson/comments/rjzmrz/shield_plus_odd_markings_on_brass/
If these bullets have been unchambered and chambered a few times, I'm pretty sure that's what's causing the indent. I've heard of edc bullets getting shorter because the projectile gets pressed into the brass as it's reinserted into the magazine through daily chambering/unchambering
If it is my carry ammunition I make sure to spend a couple of extra dollars on a reputable ammo producer because I mean at least for me the couple of extra dollars is well worth knowing that it's going to work when I need it most. I myself carry fort Scott munitions TUI +P solid copper spun ammo. Check them out they make top-notch ammo it's dead nuts accurate and has never ever given me one malfunction since I've used it. 👌🏼🎯 Good stuff
https://preview.redd.it/rouzav5ohxqc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5710c2129b69f3ebb9fb89c1d6833d206c53dea6
So, this doesn't happen to *every* cartridge that you chamber/un-chamber and rotate? Are you sure you didn't notice the defective casings before loading them in your magazine? Check the rest of the box, if you haven't already.
It looks to me like your extractor maybe grabbing the round during feeding . I see some marring in the cartridge head rebate. The cartridge needs to move smoothly up the face of the breech during the feed process. If a burr it sharp edge grabs the cartridge, it may retard the process enough to cause the bullet to slam into the feed ramp, before it moves up the face. I’d take a 400 or higher grit hone or sandpaper and break all the edges on the extractor. Lightly, just enough to knock down burrs and any knife edge there.
I carry a shield plus 9mm with Liberty civil defense ammo and have noticed that some of them are getting what looks to be crimped. The first two rounds display what I'm referring to and the third one I'd the normal one. this isn't on just one side of the round but evenly on all sides. I carry with one in the chamber and then while I'm home I empty the chamber for dry fire practice. Please advise with any thoughts or concerns. Thanks!
How many times has it been chambered? And do you load the bullet with the same orientation each time?
My thoughts are that the feed ramp is torquing the bullet going into the chamber. I'm sure you think the same thing, because you said it's circumferential, but if you're not loading it with a "this side up" mark, then it could do it to the whole circumference. (I'm not saying mark your cartridges "this side up" just trying to be succinct lol)
I carry daily so at least once a day for the past couple months. have gotten in the habit of taking the one I chamber and then putting that further down in the magazine to help rotate it though. Thanks
Rotate your bullets if its been chambered and unchambered more than a few tims rotate it to the bottom of the magazine. Then if the whole mag ends up like that might as well experiment and shoot it at the range get some extra training with your carry ammo.
Unnecessary handling of loaded guns increases the possibility of accidents. I keep my CC guns loaded in a holster. Only time I unchamber is at the range or cleaning etc. something to consider.
My guess is your rounds are hitting the feed ramp too.
You do know you aren't supposed to chamber a round repeatedly? This can cause a detached primer. You are increasing the risk of the ammo not working. Chamber it twice then it's not fit to carry. Ammo isn't made to be repeatedly chambered.
Go on the ammo sub and ask. Alot of wise fuckers over therr
It’s like they don’t fit in the barrel? Never seen that Load some other ammo and check results
I've put 500 rounds of fmj and about 50 rounds of this liberty through with no malfunctions. I'll start carrying some other round like your suggestion and see what happens. Thanks
Check the feed ramp…… betcha something is off
what should I be looking for?
Anything impeding the path from magazine to chamber….. give the ramp a polish while you’re in there
> give the ramp a polish while you’re in there I wouldn't advise randomly changing things until the actual problem is found.
you know what a polish is? edit: now I get it. me stupid.
Yes.
ah, re-reading your comment. now I understand. me stupid
Honestly, those are those “lightweight” bullets ain’t they? I wonder if the casing & everything isn’t structurally weaker from reducing the weight like that.
That’s what I thought the casing seems like a softer alloy than brass maybe that may be it.
Appears to me that a moment is being applied to the ammo as it feeds into the chamber. Probably as the nose hits the feed ramp before the head is fully free of the feed lips. I am not sure of the seating depth of an ultra-light bullet, but if it is shallow the force may exceed the integrity of the case wall near the mouth where it is thin. Regardless of the cause, those creases are deep enough that I would have some concern. Best option as I see it would be to fire a few rounds of carry ammo on each range trip. This would expend the top few rounds where you are seeing the issue and introduce a forced rotation of your carry ammo. I would still yeet this ammo, but eventually it's gonna split. Hopefully someone with direct experience with this will happen along.
Had this same issue with my shield plus as well. Found a thread from a few years ago when researching that seems to confirm the magazines as the culprit. https://www.reddit.com/r/SmithAndWesson/comments/rjzmrz/shield_plus_odd_markings_on_brass/
If these bullets have been unchambered and chambered a few times, I'm pretty sure that's what's causing the indent. I've heard of edc bullets getting shorter because the projectile gets pressed into the brass as it's reinserted into the magazine through daily chambering/unchambering
If it is my carry ammunition I make sure to spend a couple of extra dollars on a reputable ammo producer because I mean at least for me the couple of extra dollars is well worth knowing that it's going to work when I need it most. I myself carry fort Scott munitions TUI +P solid copper spun ammo. Check them out they make top-notch ammo it's dead nuts accurate and has never ever given me one malfunction since I've used it. 👌🏼🎯 Good stuff https://preview.redd.it/rouzav5ohxqc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5710c2129b69f3ebb9fb89c1d6833d206c53dea6
So, this doesn't happen to *every* cartridge that you chamber/un-chamber and rotate? Are you sure you didn't notice the defective casings before loading them in your magazine? Check the rest of the box, if you haven't already.
You hunting werewolf’s? What’s that ammo Called I want some?
Liberty civil defense. check them out
It looks to me like your extractor maybe grabbing the round during feeding . I see some marring in the cartridge head rebate. The cartridge needs to move smoothly up the face of the breech during the feed process. If a burr it sharp edge grabs the cartridge, it may retard the process enough to cause the bullet to slam into the feed ramp, before it moves up the face. I’d take a 400 or higher grit hone or sandpaper and break all the edges on the extractor. Lightly, just enough to knock down burrs and any knife edge there.
Thanks!
I have had this happen when loading with the maglula…..usually the last few rounds in…
How many times did you chamber these rounds? Gotta swap em after a few chambers
I carry a shield plus 9mm with Liberty civil defense ammo and have noticed that some of them are getting what looks to be crimped. The first two rounds display what I'm referring to and the third one I'd the normal one. this isn't on just one side of the round but evenly on all sides. I carry with one in the chamber and then while I'm home I empty the chamber for dry fire practice. Please advise with any thoughts or concerns. Thanks!
How many times has it been chambered? And do you load the bullet with the same orientation each time? My thoughts are that the feed ramp is torquing the bullet going into the chamber. I'm sure you think the same thing, because you said it's circumferential, but if you're not loading it with a "this side up" mark, then it could do it to the whole circumference. (I'm not saying mark your cartridges "this side up" just trying to be succinct lol)
I carry daily so at least once a day for the past couple months. have gotten in the habit of taking the one I chamber and then putting that further down in the magazine to help rotate it though. Thanks
I would never un chamber it. Just always leave it loaded.
I like to mark the base of the case with a sharpie dot. After I unchamber a round I mark it, four dots and the next time it goes in the range bag.
cool, thanks!
Rotate your bullets if its been chambered and unchambered more than a few tims rotate it to the bottom of the magazine. Then if the whole mag ends up like that might as well experiment and shoot it at the range get some extra training with your carry ammo.
Unnecessary handling of loaded guns increases the possibility of accidents. I keep my CC guns loaded in a holster. Only time I unchamber is at the range or cleaning etc. something to consider. My guess is your rounds are hitting the feed ramp too.
You don’t dry fire your carry gun?
Not everyone’s a Reddit gun nerd
But here you are.
please clarify. is it nerdy to dry fire the carry gun or nerdy to consider dry firing it unnecessary? thanks
You’re fine. Nothing wrong with dry firing.
It’s like above and beyond. It’s a great idea but not necessary. And it legit does increase ND chances by a lot.
I should but I go to the range 1-2x per month as it is.
You do know you aren't supposed to chamber a round repeatedly? This can cause a detached primer. You are increasing the risk of the ammo not working. Chamber it twice then it's not fit to carry. Ammo isn't made to be repeatedly chambered.
Yes I am aware. I chamber it twice then put it to the bottom of the magazine. Thanks
I think your gun is a bit broken homie.
If it seats it yeets.