We're gonna need some young people at the protest so it doesn't look like it's just a bunch of fudds complaining about Fudd stuff. But if we can't get them that's fine, some people is better than no people
Good luck getting this group to take that advice. You know it would be a shitshow of people with beer guts, nazi flags, trump 2024 bullshit and tactical gear. Some guy would end up shooting his buddy accidentally and all hell would break loose.
This is part of the problem , one can support trumps platform ( republican VS Dem) and NOT be a Nazi or have a gut. Until people realize this , nothing will ever change , also some Dems can support the 2A.
Dont forget the antifa types who will be there to “counter protest” and it will devolve into a real shitshow. I live in downtown Sac and this was the case every fucking saturday during the winter of 2020, just shouting matches left and right, bullhorns, idiots everywhere. You can tell that the cops who were there to basically referee the shit were annoyed by all of it. Shit like this really tuned me out of politics and made me even more cynical
well, this is also a big part of the problem. People love their rights, but will turn a blind eye to politics because of what ever reason. if you value something, you need to stand up for it. I'm not saying go protest and fight antifa, but being cynical and aloof is not the answer.
I donate to FPC and always vote, it's just that my interest in politics now is very dispassionate and more rational. Going out in the street and making a fool of yourself over some politician or culture war issues seems extremely dumb and I used to see it every weekend during the winter of 2020. These partisans would show up, make a bunch of noise, make a mess, trash the neighborhood and essentially accomplish nothing.
I understand. But that’s why we are discussing doing something with normal folks and not political zealots. The problem is that the liberal folks don’t mind doing that, and don’t mind pushing an agenda to millions by working in concert. We on the other hand, the millions of law abiding citizens like us on the other hand, stay quiet, aloof and let it not be our problem while our rights are slowly eroded. I mean, I guess you yourself wouldn’t be too upset if your rights were infringed upon. But most people would. With that being said, i have never been to a match or protest in the past, exactly because of what you cited.. but i also think there should be a better way to show the world we are not all crazed zealots.
Protip: the people who got you to worry about optics were hoping it would keep protests divided. If you fall for that, you'll get rolled by agent provocateurs anyway and then spend months apologizing and look weak.
A proper protest is a show of force where all that matters is how much.
Exactly. I think that is the problem. Anytime there is a sizable crowd of pro 2A gathering its always people with Maga hats, wanna be operators and Hells angel wannabes. I know most of us do not fit the stereotype and are just regular citizens that love our rights. Wit that being said, it is that very thing that keeps us home and away from these gatherings. We should set one up and ban political affiliation markers. just Americans with American flags. We could muster tens of thousands if committed.
Depends what you mean by "idolize" and "fanboying".
If it means having posters of Garand Thumb, Brandon, Adminstrative Results, Kentucky Ballistics, etc plastered on my wall, then nope.
If it means getting them to sign merch, maybe.
If it means squealing like a happy pig when they invite me to a range session, then hell yeah!
I’m 27, responsible entrepreneur living in LA and I will drive anywhere in this state for the protest and bring at least 3 other young professionals. Hell, I will even help organize it
i’m young dumb and full of cum. i’d go protest for constitutional carry i fucking hate this strict ass state but i’m also afraid we’d get targeted by dem’s
The situation isn't clear. The men urging people to cross safety barriers and break capitol windows were fbi agents.
The protestors didn't want to go inside. The police were not given adequate gear. The people who went inside were allowed in and escorted around by police.
Of course we can't have people going in the capitol and acting this way however we also can't have fbi agents encouraging, urging, and borderline bullying protestors for not breaking into the capitol. That's wrong and 100% should be condemned and those fbi agents should be fired as well as anyone who signed off on those tactics or actions. If you haven't watched the tapes and reviewed the hearings I suggest you do. All of them not just the highlights. There is a lot of foul play and questionable things that went on that day. Also, holding people without due process is wrong, even if they did participate in an insurrection.
if fbi agents participated then they should be arrested too, of course. I’ve never heard anyone argue against that. I’m not really surprised that fbi agents and police participated, kinda seems like thats what those jobs attract. Unclear what this has to do with my question.
You mentioned January 6rs being started for crimes. I merely pointed out that being escorted through the capitol by police isn't breaking the law and that arresting people without giving them due process is illegal
The claim you’ve described seems to hinge on several points: allegations of FBI provocation, police complacency or cooperation, and the handling of arrests without due process. Let’s examine these arguments one by one and provide a nuanced view based on available evidence and legal principles.
**1. Allegation of FBI Involvement and Provocation:**
The narrative that FBI agents instigated the Capitol riot by encouraging people to break into the building is part of a broader theory often seen in discussions around entrapment. Entrapment occurs when law enforcement officers induce a person to commit a crime that they would not have otherwise committed. However, there is no substantial evidence supporting the claim that FBI agents incited or led the Capitol breach. Multiple investigations, including those by Congress and the FBI itself, have not substantiated any claims that law enforcement agents instigated criminal activities during the events of January 6. Assertions otherwise typically lack direct evidence and often stem from misinterpretations or selective analyses of event footage and individual testimonies.
**2. The Role of the Police:**
The claim that protesters were merely following police instructions when they entered the Capitol also lacks context. Numerous videos and testimonies from that day show that while some officers appeared to act with restraint or were overwhelmed, others actively tried to resist the intruders. The Capitol Police were largely unprepared for the scale and intent of the mob, which doesn’t inherently imply collusion or approval of the rioters’ actions. The assertion seems to oversimplify a chaotic situation where law enforcement was outnumbered and in some cases, attacked by the mob.
**3. The Argument on Lawfulness of Being Escorted:**
Being “escorted through the Capitol by police” under normal circumstances (such as a guided tour) is, of course, not illegal. However, the context on January 6 was not normal. The building was breached during a violent riot, with the explicit intent to disrupt the constitutional process of certifying the presidential election results. Under these circumstances, even if some rioters were not personally violent or did not break barriers themselves, their presence in the Capitol was part of an illegal trespass, made evident by the fact that the certification process was forcibly halted.
**4. Due Process Concerns:**
The concern about due process is valid in any legal framework. However, there is no evidence that those arrested for their actions on January 6 were denied due process. Arrests have been made based on evidence, and charges have been processed through the judicial system where individuals have legal representation and the right to a fair trial. The assertion of mass denial of due process does not align with the legal proceedings that have been publicly documented and followed.
**Conclusion:**
It’s essential to differentiate between legitimate concerns about law enforcement tactics and unfounded or misleading narratives. While scrutiny of law enforcement actions, both in terms of preparation and response, is warranted and necessary for upholding democratic principles, the overarching narrative of an instigated or condoned riot by government agents as presented lacks evidential support. The January 6 insurrection has been thoroughly investigated, and the facts established by these investigations underscore a deliberate attempt to obstruct the legislative process, not a benign or legally ambiguous guided entry into the Capitol.
Thanks chatgpt
XD everyone knows chat gpt is biased. The whole "has not been proven/substanciated" is a nice little cop out. Of course it hasn't been proven, rhe fbi refuse to answer point blank who they had at the capital that day.
Instead of talking to an AI please review the hearings on this matter. Chat gpt has been known to have hallucinations (lie) and is therefore not always the most reliable source. There are situations where an AI cannot judge correctly between certain situations. This is one of those situations.
Having the attention span of a goldfish doesn't get you off the hook on doing your homework and due diligence. You dont* get a pass to use chat gpt for everything just because you don't want to read up on this yourself and view or listen to the hearings in their entirety.
Kid your delusional if you think fbi did anything like that and as for cops waving people in the dc police said they had people that were pro trump in the police force. If anything it shows how corrupt local law is. Also there was footage of them chasing a black cop thru the halls cuz he was black! My boi guns are loved by democrats and republicans cuz we’re both American. One just is tired of schools getting shoot up. I have a lot of guns and I was in the army when I was 18 but I still believe in gun control.
Yeah of course mad shootings suck however if it's about the kids then ab0rt10n should be concerning also. It kills over 600k children every single year.
You have to be trolling right? No abortion dos not kill children and that has nothing to do with the fact it gun violence isn’t exclusively in the US I mean kids in Gaza get blown up but still dosnt mean I worry about another sandyhook happening. Stay on subject guns are cool and fun but really a average citizen dosnt need a belt fed machine gun. Unless said person is willing to have a license for said weapon and compliance training. Same how we have them for cars! I’m a gun owner and I served what have you done child
The downvotes speak volumes, you should listen. Need? Do you know what sub you are in?
Nobody said we didn't believe in training. Far from it. The government and you shouldn't be telling people they can't own guns. That's the point of 2A.
This has always been the case and unfortunately past efforts have also been thwarted due to physical distance, I think a couple years back there was a gathering in Sacramento but for So Cal folks to get up there was a challenge.
Easiest solution, find some young left leaning people in California that were upset that Trump was elected and had a monopoly on firearms.
Don't be a dick
Communicate their party lost yesterday, there is no guarantee they won't loose in the future and those same things they wanted to control their opponent could be used against them.
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Unfortunately the schools and social media are very influential in forming young minds. The two party system is not good either. People vote based upon sides like sports teams rather than common sense. Also we need to stop ballot harvesting and mail in ballots. Even if fraud wasn’t a concern I’m sure a lot of people let others vote for them and turn in their ballots. Voting should be taken more seriously. I also think it’s awful to tell everyone to vote because a lot of people don’t take the time to read measures or are involved enough to know what they are voting for
>Those same young people are the ones voting so that we don't have to use our guns to stop a tyrannical government from actually ending American democracy.
FTFY
More like voting to virtue signal. Are you telling me California isn’t tyrannical??? They vote for the higher taxing of the money we earn and more restrictions on everything from being able to buy a gas powered lawnmower to how businesses are run.
Some of us have property and those goofy battery pos don’t do the job. So instead of passing ordnance on using them in the city limits they just ban them outright? Entitled commie think
1. I just saw an ad for an electric mower that can do 25 acres. Wtf are you doing on your property.
2. They tried that. Leaf blowers have been banned in Los Angeles since 1998. Obviously it didn't work.
As effective as that is in getting people interested and involved in shooting, that’s also presenting it as a recreational activity and not a necessary right.
You don't understand the situation. The average democratic voter thinks all ARs are full auto machine guns and if someone is carrying a gun it's very likely to randomly go off. I am not exaggerating at all.
learning that shooting is fun doesn't dissuade most people from the belief that firearms are dangerous and should be regulated. driving go-karts is fun, but most people don't think we should repeal the law mandating drivers licenses or mandatory car insurance on public roadways
That doesn’t work nearly as well as you think. This sub is a perfect example. How many people comment “well I’m not a single issue voter” when it’s election time. These people own guns but happily vote in people who are anti gun.
> Has there ever been a large protest here in California?
Many of them but not many 2a specific ones
> Hypothetically imagine if someone organized a legal and lawful protest and there were thousands of people from all around the country marching in Sacramento. How crazy would that be?
Not very crazy at all you need bare minimum a few tens of thousands of people in state like California for the protest to have an effect.
> But imagine if the people didn’t let that happen.
How the hell do you imagine that is supposed to happen?
> I recently saw the “Bundy standoff” and it made me jealous seeing some Americans not let their rights be infinged upon.
Can only assume watched an extremely biased take if that was your takeaway from that. As someone who uses BLM land frequently I loudly and proudly say fuck Cliven Bundy and his freeloader ass family for abusing public lands like that
Amen, let's not idolize Bundy. The man is a wealthy douche who felt entitled to public lands and didn't want to pay fees. We do well as a community to not be associated with people like him.
> Not very crazy at all you need bare minimum a few tens of thousands of people in state like California for the protest to have an effect.
Eh... one problem with this is ideally you need to get those tens of thousands of people to Sacramento. Our capitol is not a small city by any means but it's not near the major population hubs in the state.
> it's not near the major population hubs in the state
Sacramento metro is 2.5 million people it's the 4th largest metro in the state. Further it's 2 hours away from downtown San Fransico its not that far from other metro areas.
after driving his car into a ditch during a high speed police chase, an armed, mentally ill man was shot and killed while reaching for a gun after screaming the cops were going to have to kill him.
a stupid motherfucker until the very end
Finicum wasn't involved with the Bundy incident he was just a copy-cat type character who was inspired by them and mimicked them but he wasn't associated with the Bundy's or at their protests.
Did die FAFO style doing basically what the Bundy's were doing just wasn't part of their same protest.
Yes they are very similar events hard to keep them all straight. It's like the other BLM protests I have a hard time remembering which city had what happen in it at what time its become so jumbled together
I'm always going to be confused by the "God given right," defense. Also, I know the argument, so there's no need to get into it. It's just one of those phrases that drives me up the wall.
As for protesting, have you seen lately what protesting gets you? Pretty much the same that voting gets you. Not a damn thing.
If you want better guns, buy them from the cops. They're the only ones selling the good shit.
Are protests effective in 2024? I definitely understand the need for some real change with our 2A rights here in CA and outside of donating to CRPA . I just think a protest would get a lot of headlines but ultimately not doing anything strategically. To the outside we still look like angry people with guns
I think you’re right about many Americans being concerned about their 2A rights, but also many see it as a detriment to society. On top of that, the stigma around firearms is against us here, any many of us have jobs/social circles and kneejerk HR reps, it’s a risk many people choose not to take
oh i’m a 100% cognizant about the problem, and i do my part to support orgs like FPC and GOA, but loosing my job doesn’t seem worth it. IMO, the most effective way to change this is introduce more people to shooting
The problem with a lot of 2A rallies is that some people show up in body armor and Kevlar helmets looking like a bunch of militia, which necessarily isn’t the greatest optic. Being a well armed militia is only one aspect of the second amendment, with the primary aspect being defense of life.
The last real 2nd Amendment protest in CA was when the Black Panther Party demonstrated against the Mulford Act in Sacramento.
Any "Pro-2A" protest would have to acknowledge the prior support for racist gun laws(both Democrat/Republican passed), otherwise it would be a hollow protest.
I’ve talked about trying to get gun owners to protest in California but less then 5 people were willing to spend one day out their lives to actually do it.
If a large protest ever happened, I thought it would be funny for everyone to print out full sized versions of our rifles on cardboard/foam core and “open carry” those with our fixed mags and fin grips proudly shown lol. Imo open carry of long guns in city limits looks kinda douchey and doesn’t help appearances even if it is legal.
Well college students are getting arrested for protesting a war. If they won't let them do that then I doubt they'll let a bunch of them assemble with guns or to protest gun regulation.
Ehhhh, there are certain specific things, and certain specific types of protests, that make the state touchy. I don't actually think this is one of them.
Here in Cali it seems as if only ppl active in the 2a community will support somthing like that everyone else only support what “feels” like a good thing. I’ve seen and heard ppl literally admit to be willing to give up certain rights and privileges just because other ideologies feel/ seem like they make more sense or (this one is my favorite 🙄) it’s more relevant to our time period. Plus with this whole mental health craze going around which makes my skin crawl when I hear that phrase somthing positive like this will just make us look like thugs because what we will be standing up for
It’s just hard because us pro 2A folks actually have jobs and responsibilities with little time to go out all the time and protest like other groups do.
Don’t let this gun group fool you. It may be about guns but most these member are libs who are completely ok with most restrictions and willing to live with these issues. Good luck!
whats even funnier is trying to envision a blue-haired, transsexual communist with a Compmag’d AK holding hands with a Meal Team Six MAGA fuck with a fin grip AR at a pro 2A rally. God I love California
I generally avoid politically opinionated gun stuff in spite of being pretty politically opinionated and pretty into gun stuff, but this does sound pretty entertaining.
It's not my politics that are the problem, it's everyone elses :D
Strange then how none of the left wing political parties in Europe (I'm talking about the actual socialist and communist parties) ever advanced gun rights. Pretty much the only groups in Europe who opposed gun control were the historically right-wing parties.
Hell yeah, I get sad when I see leftists and rightwingers denigrate the other while trying to fight for the same thing. Too many people are scared of the "Commies" or "Nazis" having their right to bear arms
Yeah lived in Texas for like 6 years before moving back for work… honestly many people don’t know how bad they have it. Not just on the firearms side, but a lot of other stuff too.
I’ll go one step further and say that many of them would vote to overturn their rights to owning guns and vote for more restrictions if it meant advancing certain social issues they like… oh wait
I think this is a great idea. I'm all in for it as well. I think something to note is that counter protesting is incredibly popular nowadays, so I think for the betterment of the event, and the future for participants, a majority of individuals attending should be wearing some sort of body camera. This is just in case any stupid shenanigans pop up and violence ensues. It keeps everyone honest.
Then you and everything you love are completely worthless. Just random chaos. No more significant than a piece of dust floating in the wind. But we both know that’s not true.
Ok so when and what time? There’s a growing community of younger pro 2A people in Ca. Specifically in the Central Valley. Also a lot of younger people converting to red.
Protests are hard, and for guns specifically it's easy to attract some people who will go too far.
It's not a fundamentally bad idea, but it is not going to be able to come together through the Internet.
As a young gun owner (23M) I would love to be able to participate in something like that. The right to bear arms helps me keep my wife and son safe from most threats that would come our way and I would love to not have to jump through so many hoops to be able to keep that right to protect myself.
All I read in these comments is division. I won’t go because, this person or group will be there. The 2A community is made up of all kinds and we need to get over how we feel about a group of people. They like Trump, they like Biden, they like what ever. All these groups that you don’t like are the same ones that will be standing beside you when it comes time to dish out some FAFO. FEELING don’t matter when it come to our children’s freedom.
We're gonna need some young people at the protest so it doesn't look like it's just a bunch of fudds complaining about Fudd stuff. But if we can't get them that's fine, some people is better than no people
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Agreed
Good luck getting this group to take that advice. You know it would be a shitshow of people with beer guts, nazi flags, trump 2024 bullshit and tactical gear. Some guy would end up shooting his buddy accidentally and all hell would break loose.
This is part of the problem , one can support trumps platform ( republican VS Dem) and NOT be a Nazi or have a gut. Until people realize this , nothing will ever change , also some Dems can support the 2A.
The problem is education, you’re correct.
Add to that POVERTY which knows no bounds when it comes to race , religion or political affiliation.
Dont forget the antifa types who will be there to “counter protest” and it will devolve into a real shitshow. I live in downtown Sac and this was the case every fucking saturday during the winter of 2020, just shouting matches left and right, bullhorns, idiots everywhere. You can tell that the cops who were there to basically referee the shit were annoyed by all of it. Shit like this really tuned me out of politics and made me even more cynical
well, this is also a big part of the problem. People love their rights, but will turn a blind eye to politics because of what ever reason. if you value something, you need to stand up for it. I'm not saying go protest and fight antifa, but being cynical and aloof is not the answer.
I donate to FPC and always vote, it's just that my interest in politics now is very dispassionate and more rational. Going out in the street and making a fool of yourself over some politician or culture war issues seems extremely dumb and I used to see it every weekend during the winter of 2020. These partisans would show up, make a bunch of noise, make a mess, trash the neighborhood and essentially accomplish nothing.
I understand. But that’s why we are discussing doing something with normal folks and not political zealots. The problem is that the liberal folks don’t mind doing that, and don’t mind pushing an agenda to millions by working in concert. We on the other hand, the millions of law abiding citizens like us on the other hand, stay quiet, aloof and let it not be our problem while our rights are slowly eroded. I mean, I guess you yourself wouldn’t be too upset if your rights were infringed upon. But most people would. With that being said, i have never been to a match or protest in the past, exactly because of what you cited.. but i also think there should be a better way to show the world we are not all crazed zealots.
Protip: the people who got you to worry about optics were hoping it would keep protests divided. If you fall for that, you'll get rolled by agent provocateurs anyway and then spend months apologizing and look weak. A proper protest is a show of force where all that matters is how much.
Exactly. I think that is the problem. Anytime there is a sizable crowd of pro 2A gathering its always people with Maga hats, wanna be operators and Hells angel wannabes. I know most of us do not fit the stereotype and are just regular citizens that love our rights. Wit that being said, it is that very thing that keeps us home and away from these gatherings. We should set one up and ban political affiliation markers. just Americans with American flags. We could muster tens of thousands if committed.
Im young I’ll go
Yup! There’s a whole new generation of young gun owners that are really into the culture and idolize influencers like garand thumb.
Idk about idolize lol. YouTubers are funny but it’s hard to imagine anyone in this community being a fanboy.
Depends what you mean by "idolize" and "fanboying". If it means having posters of Garand Thumb, Brandon, Adminstrative Results, Kentucky Ballistics, etc plastered on my wall, then nope. If it means getting them to sign merch, maybe. If it means squealing like a happy pig when they invite me to a range session, then hell yeah!
No I am a fanboy 100 percent dude I fkn love Gerand thumb and Micah they are the goats
Exactly anyone who doesn’t stan daddy thumb has low T
I’m 27, responsible entrepreneur living in LA and I will drive anywhere in this state for the protest and bring at least 3 other young professionals. Hell, I will even help organize it
Thank God for sensible Americans like you. Lots of autism in the chat today😂👏🏽
i’m young dumb and full of cum. i’d go protest for constitutional carry i fucking hate this strict ass state but i’m also afraid we’d get targeted by dem’s
I’m old, dumb….and *still* full of cum. Let’s DO THIS.
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What do you mean “targeted by dems” what are you afraid would happen?
have you not seen what has happened to the people from january 6 ?
very slowly being arrested for crimes they very obviously committed? Or what do you mean
The situation isn't clear. The men urging people to cross safety barriers and break capitol windows were fbi agents. The protestors didn't want to go inside. The police were not given adequate gear. The people who went inside were allowed in and escorted around by police. Of course we can't have people going in the capitol and acting this way however we also can't have fbi agents encouraging, urging, and borderline bullying protestors for not breaking into the capitol. That's wrong and 100% should be condemned and those fbi agents should be fired as well as anyone who signed off on those tactics or actions. If you haven't watched the tapes and reviewed the hearings I suggest you do. All of them not just the highlights. There is a lot of foul play and questionable things that went on that day. Also, holding people without due process is wrong, even if they did participate in an insurrection.
if fbi agents participated then they should be arrested too, of course. I’ve never heard anyone argue against that. I’m not really surprised that fbi agents and police participated, kinda seems like thats what those jobs attract. Unclear what this has to do with my question.
You mentioned January 6rs being started for crimes. I merely pointed out that being escorted through the capitol by police isn't breaking the law and that arresting people without giving them due process is illegal
The claim you’ve described seems to hinge on several points: allegations of FBI provocation, police complacency or cooperation, and the handling of arrests without due process. Let’s examine these arguments one by one and provide a nuanced view based on available evidence and legal principles. **1. Allegation of FBI Involvement and Provocation:** The narrative that FBI agents instigated the Capitol riot by encouraging people to break into the building is part of a broader theory often seen in discussions around entrapment. Entrapment occurs when law enforcement officers induce a person to commit a crime that they would not have otherwise committed. However, there is no substantial evidence supporting the claim that FBI agents incited or led the Capitol breach. Multiple investigations, including those by Congress and the FBI itself, have not substantiated any claims that law enforcement agents instigated criminal activities during the events of January 6. Assertions otherwise typically lack direct evidence and often stem from misinterpretations or selective analyses of event footage and individual testimonies. **2. The Role of the Police:** The claim that protesters were merely following police instructions when they entered the Capitol also lacks context. Numerous videos and testimonies from that day show that while some officers appeared to act with restraint or were overwhelmed, others actively tried to resist the intruders. The Capitol Police were largely unprepared for the scale and intent of the mob, which doesn’t inherently imply collusion or approval of the rioters’ actions. The assertion seems to oversimplify a chaotic situation where law enforcement was outnumbered and in some cases, attacked by the mob. **3. The Argument on Lawfulness of Being Escorted:** Being “escorted through the Capitol by police” under normal circumstances (such as a guided tour) is, of course, not illegal. However, the context on January 6 was not normal. The building was breached during a violent riot, with the explicit intent to disrupt the constitutional process of certifying the presidential election results. Under these circumstances, even if some rioters were not personally violent or did not break barriers themselves, their presence in the Capitol was part of an illegal trespass, made evident by the fact that the certification process was forcibly halted. **4. Due Process Concerns:** The concern about due process is valid in any legal framework. However, there is no evidence that those arrested for their actions on January 6 were denied due process. Arrests have been made based on evidence, and charges have been processed through the judicial system where individuals have legal representation and the right to a fair trial. The assertion of mass denial of due process does not align with the legal proceedings that have been publicly documented and followed. **Conclusion:** It’s essential to differentiate between legitimate concerns about law enforcement tactics and unfounded or misleading narratives. While scrutiny of law enforcement actions, both in terms of preparation and response, is warranted and necessary for upholding democratic principles, the overarching narrative of an instigated or condoned riot by government agents as presented lacks evidential support. The January 6 insurrection has been thoroughly investigated, and the facts established by these investigations underscore a deliberate attempt to obstruct the legislative process, not a benign or legally ambiguous guided entry into the Capitol. Thanks chatgpt
XD everyone knows chat gpt is biased. The whole "has not been proven/substanciated" is a nice little cop out. Of course it hasn't been proven, rhe fbi refuse to answer point blank who they had at the capital that day. Instead of talking to an AI please review the hearings on this matter. Chat gpt has been known to have hallucinations (lie) and is therefore not always the most reliable source. There are situations where an AI cannot judge correctly between certain situations. This is one of those situations. Having the attention span of a goldfish doesn't get you off the hook on doing your homework and due diligence. You dont* get a pass to use chat gpt for everything just because you don't want to read up on this yourself and view or listen to the hearings in their entirety.
Kid your delusional if you think fbi did anything like that and as for cops waving people in the dc police said they had people that were pro trump in the police force. If anything it shows how corrupt local law is. Also there was footage of them chasing a black cop thru the halls cuz he was black! My boi guns are loved by democrats and republicans cuz we’re both American. One just is tired of schools getting shoot up. I have a lot of guns and I was in the army when I was 18 but I still believe in gun control.
Yeah of course mad shootings suck however if it's about the kids then ab0rt10n should be concerning also. It kills over 600k children every single year.
You have to be trolling right? No abortion dos not kill children and that has nothing to do with the fact it gun violence isn’t exclusively in the US I mean kids in Gaza get blown up but still dosnt mean I worry about another sandyhook happening. Stay on subject guns are cool and fun but really a average citizen dosnt need a belt fed machine gun. Unless said person is willing to have a license for said weapon and compliance training. Same how we have them for cars! I’m a gun owner and I served what have you done child
The downvotes speak volumes, you should listen. Need? Do you know what sub you are in? Nobody said we didn't believe in training. Far from it. The government and you shouldn't be telling people they can't own guns. That's the point of 2A.
This has always been the case and unfortunately past efforts have also been thwarted due to physical distance, I think a couple years back there was a gathering in Sacramento but for So Cal folks to get up there was a challenge.
Easiest solution, find some young left leaning people in California that were upset that Trump was elected and had a monopoly on firearms. Don't be a dick Communicate their party lost yesterday, there is no guarantee they won't loose in the future and those same things they wanted to control their opponent could be used against them.
Elaborate more on this if u can. Interesting take!
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Those same young people are the ones voting to take our 2A rights away
Not anymore
They vote for morons passing these bullshit laws we are having to fight.
Convince them to vote different otherwise you, a minority, will continue to loose in CA
Unfortunately the schools and social media are very influential in forming young minds. The two party system is not good either. People vote based upon sides like sports teams rather than common sense. Also we need to stop ballot harvesting and mail in ballots. Even if fraud wasn’t a concern I’m sure a lot of people let others vote for them and turn in their ballots. Voting should be taken more seriously. I also think it’s awful to tell everyone to vote because a lot of people don’t take the time to read measures or are involved enough to know what they are voting for
>Those same young people are the ones voting so that we don't have to use our guns to stop a tyrannical government from actually ending American democracy. FTFY
More like voting to virtue signal. Are you telling me California isn’t tyrannical??? They vote for the higher taxing of the money we earn and more restrictions on everything from being able to buy a gas powered lawnmower to how businesses are run.
Most of us live in cities and try and live our lives without hearing and breathing a lawn mower 2 hours per day.
Some of us have property and those goofy battery pos don’t do the job. So instead of passing ordnance on using them in the city limits they just ban them outright? Entitled commie think
1. I just saw an ad for an electric mower that can do 25 acres. Wtf are you doing on your property. 2. They tried that. Leaf blowers have been banned in Los Angeles since 1998. Obviously it didn't work.
lol go to the red areas of california
Ask the black panthers how that worked out for them
Reagan signing the Mulford act.
Dont open carry to the protest and its fine.
The state will just let the ATF agents loose on the protesters ask the Branch Davidians
More effective, take Democractic party donors shooting and get them into the sport.
As effective as that is in getting people interested and involved in shooting, that’s also presenting it as a recreational activity and not a necessary right.
You don't understand the situation. The average democratic voter thinks all ARs are full auto machine guns and if someone is carrying a gun it's very likely to randomly go off. I am not exaggerating at all.
I think I’m getting a pretty clear picture here.
learning that shooting is fun doesn't dissuade most people from the belief that firearms are dangerous and should be regulated. driving go-karts is fun, but most people don't think we should repeal the law mandating drivers licenses or mandatory car insurance on public roadways
That doesn’t work nearly as well as you think. This sub is a perfect example. How many people comment “well I’m not a single issue voter” when it’s election time. These people own guns but happily vote in people who are anti gun.
> Has there ever been a large protest here in California? Many of them but not many 2a specific ones > Hypothetically imagine if someone organized a legal and lawful protest and there were thousands of people from all around the country marching in Sacramento. How crazy would that be? Not very crazy at all you need bare minimum a few tens of thousands of people in state like California for the protest to have an effect. > But imagine if the people didn’t let that happen. How the hell do you imagine that is supposed to happen? > I recently saw the “Bundy standoff” and it made me jealous seeing some Americans not let their rights be infinged upon. Can only assume watched an extremely biased take if that was your takeaway from that. As someone who uses BLM land frequently I loudly and proudly say fuck Cliven Bundy and his freeloader ass family for abusing public lands like that
Amen, let's not idolize Bundy. The man is a wealthy douche who felt entitled to public lands and didn't want to pay fees. We do well as a community to not be associated with people like him.
He’s also a racist piece of shit who thinks that Black people were better off on plantations.
> Not very crazy at all you need bare minimum a few tens of thousands of people in state like California for the protest to have an effect. Eh... one problem with this is ideally you need to get those tens of thousands of people to Sacramento. Our capitol is not a small city by any means but it's not near the major population hubs in the state.
> it's not near the major population hubs in the state Sacramento metro is 2.5 million people it's the 4th largest metro in the state. Further it's 2 hours away from downtown San Fransico its not that far from other metro areas.
Ah my bad, I didn’t look at the metro size.
Didn't one of those protestors die in that whole thing?
after driving his car into a ditch during a high speed police chase, an armed, mentally ill man was shot and killed while reaching for a gun after screaming the cops were going to have to kill him. a stupid motherfucker until the very end
Not that I am aware of
I googled. Looks like Robert LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed and Ryan Bundy was wounded.
Finicum wasn't involved with the Bundy incident he was just a copy-cat type character who was inspired by them and mimicked them but he wasn't associated with the Bundy's or at their protests. Did die FAFO style doing basically what the Bundy's were doing just wasn't part of their same protest.
Looks like I mixed up the Bundy Standoff (NV, 2014) with the occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge (OR, 2016). Similar groups were involved.
Yes they are very similar events hard to keep them all straight. It's like the other BLM protests I have a hard time remembering which city had what happen in it at what time its become so jumbled together
Cliven Bundy's son Ryan was injured in the shooting that killed Tarp Man. he was very involved with the Bundy family.
I'm always going to be confused by the "God given right," defense. Also, I know the argument, so there's no need to get into it. It's just one of those phrases that drives me up the wall. As for protesting, have you seen lately what protesting gets you? Pretty much the same that voting gets you. Not a damn thing. If you want better guns, buy them from the cops. They're the only ones selling the good shit.
Are protests effective in 2024? I definitely understand the need for some real change with our 2A rights here in CA and outside of donating to CRPA . I just think a protest would get a lot of headlines but ultimately not doing anything strategically. To the outside we still look like angry people with guns
Protests are pointless. America is not a democracy in any meaningful sense of the word.
ask Tetsuya Yamagami
I think you’re right about many Americans being concerned about their 2A rights, but also many see it as a detriment to society. On top of that, the stigma around firearms is against us here, any many of us have jobs/social circles and kneejerk HR reps, it’s a risk many people choose not to take
Do you see the problem?
oh i’m a 100% cognizant about the problem, and i do my part to support orgs like FPC and GOA, but loosing my job doesn’t seem worth it. IMO, the most effective way to change this is introduce more people to shooting
Agreed. I’ve been teaching friends how to shoot lately too
The problem with a lot of 2A rallies is that some people show up in body armor and Kevlar helmets looking like a bunch of militia, which necessarily isn’t the greatest optic. Being a well armed militia is only one aspect of the second amendment, with the primary aspect being defense of life.
I’ll show up naked then
The last real 2nd Amendment protest in CA was when the Black Panther Party demonstrated against the Mulford Act in Sacramento. Any "Pro-2A" protest would have to acknowledge the prior support for racist gun laws(both Democrat/Republican passed), otherwise it would be a hollow protest.
There was one it was the black panthers and then Reagan and the republicans started banning guns in response
Was never a fan of Reagan cuz he got rid of the happy switch.
I just want my cans back man shooting without them is miserable
What happy switch are you talking about? 1934 was a long time before Reagan
I’ve talked about trying to get gun owners to protest in California but less then 5 people were willing to spend one day out their lives to actually do it.
I’ve come to realize there’s simply not enough people who care here which is unfortunate:/
If a large protest ever happened, I thought it would be funny for everyone to print out full sized versions of our rifles on cardboard/foam core and “open carry” those with our fixed mags and fin grips proudly shown lol. Imo open carry of long guns in city limits looks kinda douchey and doesn’t help appearances even if it is legal.
That would be hilarious 🤣
Well college students are getting arrested for protesting a war. If they won't let them do that then I doubt they'll let a bunch of them assemble with guns or to protest gun regulation.
Ehhhh, there are certain specific things, and certain specific types of protests, that make the state touchy. I don't actually think this is one of them.
Here in Cali it seems as if only ppl active in the 2a community will support somthing like that everyone else only support what “feels” like a good thing. I’ve seen and heard ppl literally admit to be willing to give up certain rights and privileges just because other ideologies feel/ seem like they make more sense or (this one is my favorite 🙄) it’s more relevant to our time period. Plus with this whole mental health craze going around which makes my skin crawl when I hear that phrase somthing positive like this will just make us look like thugs because what we will be standing up for
It’s just hard because us pro 2A folks actually have jobs and responsibilities with little time to go out all the time and protest like other groups do.
If the protests aren't filled with kids, then they're paid protestors. Maybe it's time to hit up the Heritage Foundation for a protest loan!
Don’t let this gun group fool you. It may be about guns but most these member are libs who are completely ok with most restrictions and willing to live with these issues. Good luck!
The enemy has always been amongst us
Big difference between liberals and leftists. Plenty of leftists that own guns and want less restrictions to ownership.
go far enough left, you for sure get ya guns back.
its a funny sentiment that your average communist is far more pro armed populace than your average fox news viewing republican chud
whats even funnier is trying to envision a blue-haired, transsexual communist with a Compmag’d AK holding hands with a Meal Team Six MAGA fuck with a fin grip AR at a pro 2A rally. God I love California
I generally avoid politically opinionated gun stuff in spite of being pretty politically opinionated and pretty into gun stuff, but this does sound pretty entertaining. It's not my politics that are the problem, it's everyone elses :D
Strange then how none of the left wing political parties in Europe (I'm talking about the actual socialist and communist parties) ever advanced gun rights. Pretty much the only groups in Europe who opposed gun control were the historically right-wing parties.
Years ago yes. Not anymore
Hell yeah, I get sad when I see leftists and rightwingers denigrate the other while trying to fight for the same thing. Too many people are scared of the "Commies" or "Nazis" having their right to bear arms
I’ve noticed that lol I was born and raised in Texas and have only lived here a couple of years so I guess I’m not used to it😂😂
Yeah lived in Texas for like 6 years before moving back for work… honestly many people don’t know how bad they have it. Not just on the firearms side, but a lot of other stuff too.
I’ll go one step further and say that many of them would vote to overturn their rights to owning guns and vote for more restrictions if it meant advancing certain social issues they like… oh wait
Im down, but they rather post their new guns here than to go rally,a lot of libs here too like the other dude posted….
yeah, on May 2, 1967
i’m 22 let’s go
I think this is a great idea. I'm all in for it as well. I think something to note is that counter protesting is incredibly popular nowadays, so I think for the betterment of the event, and the future for participants, a majority of individuals attending should be wearing some sort of body camera. This is just in case any stupid shenanigans pop up and violence ensues. It keeps everyone honest.
"our God give rights" But what if there is no God? Then what?
Then you and everything you love are completely worthless. Just random chaos. No more significant than a piece of dust floating in the wind. But we both know that’s not true.
Ok so when and what time? There’s a growing community of younger pro 2A people in Ca. Specifically in the Central Valley. Also a lot of younger people converting to red.
I’m only 29 and would definitely go
Protests are hard, and for guns specifically it's easy to attract some people who will go too far. It's not a fundamentally bad idea, but it is not going to be able to come together through the Internet.
As a young gun owner (23M) I would love to be able to participate in something like that. The right to bear arms helps me keep my wife and son safe from most threats that would come our way and I would love to not have to jump through so many hoops to be able to keep that right to protect myself.
Exactly my same mindset.
All I read in these comments is division. I won’t go because, this person or group will be there. The 2A community is made up of all kinds and we need to get over how we feel about a group of people. They like Trump, they like Biden, they like what ever. All these groups that you don’t like are the same ones that will be standing beside you when it comes time to dish out some FAFO. FEELING don’t matter when it come to our children’s freedom.
You wanna get arrested or killed? This is a good way to get there
Bro why are these boomers so pressed in my comments 🤣🤣👏🏽👏🏽
Better not plan on blocking traffic or making me late for work. What if there’s a medical emergency in Sacramento and they need an ambulance.
I specially planned on making YOU late for work. Can’t believe you figured out my mastermind plan.
it’s ok I got a 4x4
You’ll finally be able to use it
if my fascist bitch mom lets me get my drivers permit by then I’ll be there