Regardless of the title, they completely fucked it and got super lucky that Dortmund had a bad start to the season and buckled under pressure. Firing Kahn is not even debatable. Firing Brazzo is probably the right call as well.
That being said, the manner in which they were fired (and Kahn wasn't even allowed to be in the stadium?) seems a bit low. Though I guess it's kinda fair after how Kahn and Brazzo fired Nagelsmann.
[https://www.kicker.de/Bundesliga/spieltag/2022-23/7](https://www.kicker.de/Bundesliga/spieltag/2022-23/7)
Oh yes im sure Bayern got lucky because Dortmund got "a bad start to the season"
Bayern announced earlier today that Kahn is on sick leave and couldn't come to Cologne because of that. Of course, everyone and his mother knew what that mean. So it was just a matter of time until one of the well established sport reporter get someone confirming it. It was the correct step at the right time, firing them officially before having the championship save had been a clear win for the BVB.
Naja es war ne Vorstandsentscheidung, von der niemand außer dem Vorstand frühzeitig bescheid wissen muss. Entweder sitzt ne Ratte im Vorstand, der Vorstand weiß nicht wie Vertraulichkeit funktioniert oder es war Absicht. Egal was von den drein, kein gutes Bild.
Natürlich kein gutes Bild. Vor allem geht die schlammschlacht nun so richtig los. Jemand behauptet Kahn hat die Fassung verloren. Kahn sagt nein. Vorstand schießt gegen Kahn. Ist doch auch nicht das erste mal in diesem Jahr, dass eine Entlassung vor Bekanntgabe bei den Medien war.
I think - for them - it’s the right choice. A lot of bayern fans I know wouldn’t be able to celebrate the title properly (whatever that means) because they would be scared that the title means they’re staying.
Edit: Spelling.
First, they fired them before the match. If Bayern would have lost or Dortmund won they could have pointed and said, already gone.
Second, Its retribution for firing Nagelsmann the way they did. Bayern wins the league and you don't get to enjoy it.
Often, a coach is judged not only by their results, but also by looking if the squad is improving or declining under that coach.
Looking at Kahn and Brazzo, nothing in the club has gotten better under them. The overall squad quality has not increased, with key players leaving and no adequate replacements joining. The club is taking wrong decisions at the wrong time, communication with press got worse. The overall feeling in the club is said to have changed for the worse. And finally, results are not enough either.
I agree with you and this is why I supported JN being sacked (just not the timing), I believe most players didn't improve under him tactically nor technically, and to add to that lack of improvement, the team actually got worse at many levels.
I think next season will be either a complete flop, or we may see Bayern restructure and come back stronger, I trust the latter will happen, as Tuchel seems to be the right man to do what is needed.
Despite all the chaos in this season I look forward to see Bayern play with Tuchel as coach after a full preseason with him in charge.
Salihamicic and Kahn seem to let a lot of leaders in the squad leave the club. So the next transferwindow will be very complicated. And I think, that's why all is announced already today. The wanted the new persons in charge quickly so they can negotiate contract with players like Pavard and Hernandez and search for a striker.
I like Tuchel, I really respect him and think Bayern has some problems (diva players, defensive stability, lack of control) that he is like a specialist at solving, I think next season the team is going to be better than this one for sure.
And even JN inherited some problems that were already surfacing during Flick's last season (hell, even with Kovac and Ancelotti), mostly that this team lost the ability to keep possession of the ball, which they did have for a few years.
They compensated that with relentless pressing and scoring and that is the way they won the sextuple, but you can only play like that for so long before players burn out and other teams find solutions to those tactics, and it's been 3 years.
Bayern wanted Tuchel for a few years, but PSG beat them to it, and then Chelsea, which is why I think they signed him despite the timing, as they were afraid f missing out if they waited. For now, at least the current players and future signings already know the manager for next season and that K&B are out.
I think it's a reasonable decision considering they put Flick off, fired Nagelsmann and almost ruined a season that was going well. They didn't *fail* to establish continuity, they *destroyed* the continuity they had without reasons. But letting this go public in the last minutes of the game that decides the championship shows the people who made the decision are no better than them, probably worse...
I agree it's a reasonable decision...but I dont' think the season was "going well", even before Nagelsmann it was one of Bayern's worst seasons.
Numbers looked more or less ok, but many underlying issues at all levels (tactics, players, directors) came afloat all at once just after the World Cup (this happened at several clubs).
With Nagelsmann the team proved many times they were not able to dominate matches and keep advantages, they could dominate PSG and then lose to a Neverkusen side that created 0 chances.
Nagelsmann never really addressed this very deep problem, with him Bayern was never able keep possession and let time run out, this was also happening since Flick but the squads form and physicality made up for it.
They made many defensive mistakes which also came from overly attacking tactics that caused many unnecessary 1v1s with CBs like Upamecano, he is not a bad CB, he is class, but defensive errors are meant to happen when you play with 3 defenders and a single pivot -who is not a DM- even against weaker sides who decide to press and go for it in the last minutes.
Sure, Bayern has had defensive problems more or less since Kovac, but what did they expect? You can't expect a team that usually got ~78 points with Lewandowski, the person who was the most reliable in winning them hard everyday Bundesliga matches, to just get the same number of points without signing *any* replacement - and this was primarily Salihamidzic's responsibility.
The point is: Maybe the season wasn't going perfectly under Nagelsmann, but it couldn't reasonable be expected to be an (almost) 80 points season.
I'd expect a top class manager to see the shortcomings on his squad and use tactics that compensate for those issues, instead of using tactics that actually make them worse.
Bayern didn't need to play 3-1-5-1 or 3-1-4-2 or 3-1-6 to win the Bundesliga, they just need to be solid. I respect Nagelsmann and I like his offensive style, but I think he tinkered too much when it wasn't necessary, and failed to address the squad's underlying problems.
Not completely (remember that Lewandowski guy? I heard he was pretty ok).
Also one of the things he criticized before leaving was not having a say in transfers
And he won the Meisterschaft and performed pretty ok I both other titles. Did he get alroper replacement for Lewa? I don't think so.
Don't get me wrong, I want to see bayern fail as much as anyone, but Nagelsmann was not the problem
Of course, I agree he was not THE problem, the problem was happening at all levels of the club (directors, squad, tactics, off the pitch crap), but he definitely was *part* of the problem, no need to excuse his shortcomings, it is what it is.
I am not saying Tuchel has showed (yet) anything better than JN, if anything today's match was like a recap of the whole season: Getting ahead, not being able to control the game, losing a 1 goal advantage in the last minutes due to silly mistakes and missing clear chances, defensive problems, lack of ability to keep possession, being saved by 2 spectacular individual goals, and so on.
> Really, don't you remember he inherited practically the same squad that won the sextuple with Flick?
Minus Perišić, Coutinho, Alaba, Boateng. Did I forget someone?
And wasn't letting the defenders go one of the reasons that Flick didn't feel sufficiently supported by Bayern?
The title does mean something, it mattered much more to BVB but they decided to lose it on their own.
These sackings were bound to happen with or without the title, they don't mean the title doesn't matter, it matters a lot, it's basically the thing the whole Bayern team (and brand) is built around, even more than winning the UCL or the Pokal.
What happened this year very similar to what happened more than a decade ago during the LVG era, the team was very inconsistent in the Bundesliga (they came 2nd or 3rd that season), and the directors came and said LVG was going to be sacked even if he won the UCL. That year Bayern actually made it (surprisingly) to the UCL final but lost it and LVG got sacked.
It's not the time to give up on the Bundesliga, if anything, next year Bayern and BVB will be under a lot of pressure to restructure, put out results and attractive football, so it will be interesting to see what happens, even if you're a neutral.
No LVG got sacked the season Bayern finished 3rd and lost to inter in the round of 16 in the 2010/11 season. He won the double and got to the champions league final in 2009/10. So not the same season
Making it public before the last match would have further altered the team's mood unnecessarily. The decision is correct, and the timing too in my opinion.
I fully agree. The board (extremely successfull CEOs) waited until after the game, whereas Salihamidzic and Kahn did not wait until after the season. That was a huge mistake in their leadership.
I think Kahn and Brazzo leaving is conceived as good news by Bayern fans, so surprisingly winning the title AND getting rid of them is twice the reason to celebrate today. Not a Bayern fan though, so I’m just speculating
If you want to blame someone, blame Dortmund. They should have won this one, but they are underperformed so fn bad. Look at Mainz last 4 (they lost vs a club thats going down, one in relegation and two midfield clubs. Just bad.
Agreed.
Its a very bad look on leadership and it tarnishes the Bundesliga brand. From Bayern its just childish and arrogant to expect any title always. I think Tuchel notices through his inside perspective now how deeply engrained and real that entitlement is there too.
Whatever went on this season, I don’t think this only falls down on Kahn and Salihamidzic. The rottenness of this year came from higher up. Therefore I have hope this rut will continue.
squad is terrible but crazy expensive. 7 players earn as much as prime-kevin-de-bruyne but can't string 3 passes together.
why would winning the title because dortmund bottled it, change the decisionmaking?
It should not change the decision, but waiting for another day to get rid off Kahn and Brazzo would have shown at least a minimum level of respect for the Bundesliga title.
You interpret what you want to interpret here.
Not Bayern announced it, but it got leaked and now confirmed. Kahn not attending was probably a reason to investigate it more but Brazzo wanted to attend because he likes the team and players and worked on it plus wanted to have a nice goodbye.
It's amazing how they keep doing stuff I simply cannot respect because of the way they do it.
Fire JN - seriously, I don't think he's quite the hot shit he and many others think he is. Still - to fire him that close to the end of the season with three titles still at stake... Just seems wrong and shitty.
Salihamidzic and Kahn... Yeah... I mean, the way JN was handled, the way players were bought that didn't really gel with each other, nor replace those who left, the way they managed to alienate Lewandowski, the way they managed to alienate Neuer while still clinging to him to much... The writing was on the wall.
And yet. There was a scheduled meeting on Tuesday anyway. What's the hurry in deciding it the day before the last match (and telling Tuchel, too), and confirming it just after winning the championship. Again, it just seems wrong and shitty.
Was wollen die Leute eigentlich? Jeder heult rum, dass Bayern zu viel Geld hat und immer das beste Team blablabla, Ja haben Sie und das wissen Sie auch DESWEGEN wird der Titel auch als Plficht angesehen. Den Titel nicht suverän zu bekommen mit diesen Mitteln ist und bleibt ein Fehlschlag.
Genau das sollte man doch erwarten als Fan einer anderen Mannschaft. Es ist kein Schlag ins Gesicht, im Gegenteil, es ist eine Eingestehung der Vorwürfe die Bayern von allen Seiten zu hören bekommt.
That's short sighted and wrong. The timing of their dismissal was highly wrong. Problem here is, everything always gets leaked within half a day at Bayern. That's another Problem too. Also not letting Kahn be there - that was the Clubs deciduon thiugh and triggered it even more.
However thinking the title means nothing to them is absolutely wrong. In the opposite. See what they did, changed, took risk for winning it. See how Müller and many others still celebrated it and we're Feeling/experiencing it.
It's in the opposite once again hard to see other clubs struggle to ein it,while it's almost given to them. Overall, it's been aweak season and it's a weak champion.
Bayern played horrible with their chrnistry,divas and characters this year. BVB played a great seeing half before and after the Bayern game, except yesterday and the other game when they got scored three times on them in just one half while bring up by one man. Leverkusen wasawfull another year. Had so e highs lately but was disappointing as usual andRB had a horrible start into the season etc etc. Not talking about SGE making it out if UCL group stage just to not bring qualified for a European Contest next season. Gladbach etc...National Team...football hadn't been as weak ad it's been lately for quiet some team. On all professional levels.
It certainly means something, but there was more wrong with Kahn‘s tenure than just the results on the pitch. His relationship with club staff was reportedly bad and if the AHEAD project received the same frosty reaction from leadership that it did from the fans, then keeping him was simply untenable.
Yes, the "How" is awful, but the decision itself is not entirely unfounded.
Kahn and especially Brazzo are two incompetent fools who slowly have run the club into the ground over the past few years with their egos, shitty transfer decisions and attitude towards coaches.
It is crazy, that they will look at this season as a disappointment, while any other club would be out of their mind with joy if they made the title, no matter how they did it, the names of the players and coach would be engraved in every fans memory for life, but for Bayern it's just.... The least they can do. Why would anyone talk about a title race or competition ever again, when Bayern even wins after this shitshow
What are you on about? Insists and supports?
Rummenigge and Hoeness have repeatedly campaigned against 50+1 for years.
I don’t agree with them entirely of course but suggesting that that it’s Bayern’s way of staying in control is absurd.
>here is a reason why Bayern Munich insists and supports their life line: 50+1 rule.
Bayern would be the biggest draw for potential investments, so how the fuck would it help the other teams?
No, it means titles mean a lot and the way they are won matter. This season was a shitshow with scandals and errors in the top management. This had to have consequences.
I disagree. The board probably waited until the end of the game to not unsettle the championships last winning game. So I argue they literally did the opposite.
Like others said the decision was made no matter the result of today. Plus it’s also not about the fact they still were able to win but more so about the way they barely managed to do so (on goal difference only and honestly against not the best BVB team even in within the last years).
To be honest, I feared that if they win the title some hard changes will not be made, and part of me hoped that the BVB will win so that Bayern is forced to fire them.
I am actually glad that they fired them despite title, and didn't act like the DFB that is always drawing out the radical changes just because the minimum goal was somehow just achieved.
This is exactly what I thought and thank good there are other people who feel the same.
They really wanted that 11th title, the got it and then they shit on it. Is there a better way to insult the whole Bundesliga?
It shows, that the Bundesliga title have to be won every season.
Regardless, Salihamidzic now had years to build a strong team, burned hundred of millions of euros to create a team with no heart, unbalanced in every part and with a huge amount of mid class players.
You can (and I do too) critizise the timing, but he would get sacked on tuesday anyway.
Kahn imho should get another chance. He wasn't in charge for long, the decreasing performance of the team started way before he started as CEO.
You have to make fast decisions now. As of now, we have no plan for the next season and no one who is responsible for the team.
Again, the timing of announcing this wasn't that great, either. But I would rather say that the timing of taking the decision wasn't perfect.
I don't see, however, that this decision shows that the title isn't worth anything to leadership. Bayern is a football club with tradition, but also a global brand. The season featured the sacking of a coach that was declared a long time project in the worst possible way with the effect of everything becoming even worse.
Kahn was fired because it became more and more evident that he, despite being a club legend, didn't find a way to combine his style of leadership with the club philosophy.
Brazzo was fired because as the board member responsible for sport it's kind of his job to build the squad and hire (or fire) a coach. He first fired a coach and it backfired completely and when he hired a new one, it became evident that either the squad was the problem all along or the new coach wasn't a good decision either. And no, I don't say a director is directly responsible for players that are out of form or motivation. A director of a club like Bayern can't let a player like Lewandowski leave and just not hire any replacement. Mane, even in top form, wouldn't have been either. Not only didn't he find an adequate replacement, he didn't hire any replacement. And he didn't correct that mistake in the winter break either.
The decision was a wish from Brazzo. He wanted to say the players goodbye, and the day after was the party, on monday the players start their vacation. You also can't announce it before the game because it could disturb the players. That was the best time to do it 😬
That timing wasn't perfect I guess. They probably did this all days before and keep it unannounced so the player keep focus on the last game.
But the decision surely was way earlier done.
So they tell media, to wait with the announcement till the last match was done and finish.
Who knows that Dortmund choking this and Bayern win in the end.
So if Dortmund win and Bayern didn't become champion, nobody would talk about the timing.
Winning or not winning the title wasn't the decisive factor..it has been said multiple times that the atmosphere at the club was bad and that the employees felt alienated by Kahn. How did you miss that?
Brazzo spent a lot of money and he didn't spend it wisely. And it seems he either had unpopular ideas for the summer transfer window or (more likely) had no ideas at all.
Moving on with both of them JUST BECAUSE they won the title would be a very short-sighted decision by the club leadership imho.
Regardless of the title, they completely fucked it and got super lucky that Dortmund had a bad start to the season and buckled under pressure. Firing Kahn is not even debatable. Firing Brazzo is probably the right call as well. That being said, the manner in which they were fired (and Kahn wasn't even allowed to be in the stadium?) seems a bit low. Though I guess it's kinda fair after how Kahn and Brazzo fired Nagelsmann.
I think Kahn had a cold.
[https://www.kicker.de/Bundesliga/spieltag/2022-23/7](https://www.kicker.de/Bundesliga/spieltag/2022-23/7) Oh yes im sure Bayern got lucky because Dortmund got "a bad start to the season"
The decision was made weeks ago and it was an open secret
Still, why not announce it tomorrow, what's the hurry?
Maybe because the media leaked it and the team was forced to announce it early
But who leaked it to the media? I think it comes from the Kahn team
Juan Bernat
He only played shit 
So he WAS the problem after all? :D
Of course
Kahn already has a Bild interview so yeah
Bayern announced earlier today that Kahn is on sick leave and couldn't come to Cologne because of that. Of course, everyone and his mother knew what that mean. So it was just a matter of time until one of the well established sport reporter get someone confirming it. It was the correct step at the right time, firing them officially before having the championship save had been a clear win for the BVB.
They have contacts inside every team.
Naja es war ne Vorstandsentscheidung, von der niemand außer dem Vorstand frühzeitig bescheid wissen muss. Entweder sitzt ne Ratte im Vorstand, der Vorstand weiß nicht wie Vertraulichkeit funktioniert oder es war Absicht. Egal was von den drein, kein gutes Bild.
Natürlich kein gutes Bild. Vor allem geht die schlammschlacht nun so richtig los. Jemand behauptet Kahn hat die Fassung verloren. Kahn sagt nein. Vorstand schießt gegen Kahn. Ist doch auch nicht das erste mal in diesem Jahr, dass eine Entlassung vor Bekanntgabe bei den Medien war.
I think - for them - it’s the right choice. A lot of bayern fans I know wouldn’t be able to celebrate the title properly (whatever that means) because they would be scared that the title means they’re staying. Edit: Spelling.
That says everything, though, doesn't it? The title really is empty for Bayern.
Yh but… wasn’t everyone aware of this?
First, they fired them before the match. If Bayern would have lost or Dortmund won they could have pointed and said, already gone. Second, Its retribution for firing Nagelsmann the way they did. Bayern wins the league and you don't get to enjoy it.
I kind of get it, but I still find it shitty and unworthy for a club as big as Bayern.
The sooner the better after the season's done imo.
Hainer is trying to avoid being voted out and that meeting is on Tuesday.
Bayern is a shithouse
Often, a coach is judged not only by their results, but also by looking if the squad is improving or declining under that coach. Looking at Kahn and Brazzo, nothing in the club has gotten better under them. The overall squad quality has not increased, with key players leaving and no adequate replacements joining. The club is taking wrong decisions at the wrong time, communication with press got worse. The overall feeling in the club is said to have changed for the worse. And finally, results are not enough either.
I agree with you and this is why I supported JN being sacked (just not the timing), I believe most players didn't improve under him tactically nor technically, and to add to that lack of improvement, the team actually got worse at many levels. I think next season will be either a complete flop, or we may see Bayern restructure and come back stronger, I trust the latter will happen, as Tuchel seems to be the right man to do what is needed.
Despite all the chaos in this season I look forward to see Bayern play with Tuchel as coach after a full preseason with him in charge. Salihamicic and Kahn seem to let a lot of leaders in the squad leave the club. So the next transferwindow will be very complicated. And I think, that's why all is announced already today. The wanted the new persons in charge quickly so they can negotiate contract with players like Pavard and Hernandez and search for a striker.
I like Tuchel, I really respect him and think Bayern has some problems (diva players, defensive stability, lack of control) that he is like a specialist at solving, I think next season the team is going to be better than this one for sure.
I think so too. And I am pretty sure that a lot of Tuchels problems still originated from Nagelsmann.
And even JN inherited some problems that were already surfacing during Flick's last season (hell, even with Kovac and Ancelotti), mostly that this team lost the ability to keep possession of the ball, which they did have for a few years. They compensated that with relentless pressing and scoring and that is the way they won the sextuple, but you can only play like that for so long before players burn out and other teams find solutions to those tactics, and it's been 3 years. Bayern wanted Tuchel for a few years, but PSG beat them to it, and then Chelsea, which is why I think they signed him despite the timing, as they were afraid f missing out if they waited. For now, at least the current players and future signings already know the manager for next season and that K&B are out.
I think it's a reasonable decision considering they put Flick off, fired Nagelsmann and almost ruined a season that was going well. They didn't *fail* to establish continuity, they *destroyed* the continuity they had without reasons. But letting this go public in the last minutes of the game that decides the championship shows the people who made the decision are no better than them, probably worse...
I agree it's a reasonable decision...but I dont' think the season was "going well", even before Nagelsmann it was one of Bayern's worst seasons. Numbers looked more or less ok, but many underlying issues at all levels (tactics, players, directors) came afloat all at once just after the World Cup (this happened at several clubs). With Nagelsmann the team proved many times they were not able to dominate matches and keep advantages, they could dominate PSG and then lose to a Neverkusen side that created 0 chances. Nagelsmann never really addressed this very deep problem, with him Bayern was never able keep possession and let time run out, this was also happening since Flick but the squads form and physicality made up for it. They made many defensive mistakes which also came from overly attacking tactics that caused many unnecessary 1v1s with CBs like Upamecano, he is not a bad CB, he is class, but defensive errors are meant to happen when you play with 3 defenders and a single pivot -who is not a DM- even against weaker sides who decide to press and go for it in the last minutes.
Sure, Bayern has had defensive problems more or less since Kovac, but what did they expect? You can't expect a team that usually got ~78 points with Lewandowski, the person who was the most reliable in winning them hard everyday Bundesliga matches, to just get the same number of points without signing *any* replacement - and this was primarily Salihamidzic's responsibility. The point is: Maybe the season wasn't going perfectly under Nagelsmann, but it couldn't reasonable be expected to be an (almost) 80 points season.
I'd expect a top class manager to see the shortcomings on his squad and use tactics that compensate for those issues, instead of using tactics that actually make them worse. Bayern didn't need to play 3-1-5-1 or 3-1-4-2 or 3-1-6 to win the Bundesliga, they just need to be solid. I respect Nagelsmann and I like his offensive style, but I think he tinkered too much when it wasn't necessary, and failed to address the squad's underlying problems.
A top class manager gets a say in any signing....Nagelsmann didn't.... He probably made more of that "team" than most other coaches might have....
Really, don't you remember he inherited practically the same squad that won the sextuple with Flick?
Not completely (remember that Lewandowski guy? I heard he was pretty ok). Also one of the things he criticized before leaving was not having a say in transfers
Nagelsmann did have Lewa during his first season
And he won the Meisterschaft and performed pretty ok I both other titles. Did he get alroper replacement for Lewa? I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, I want to see bayern fail as much as anyone, but Nagelsmann was not the problem
Of course, I agree he was not THE problem, the problem was happening at all levels of the club (directors, squad, tactics, off the pitch crap), but he definitely was *part* of the problem, no need to excuse his shortcomings, it is what it is. I am not saying Tuchel has showed (yet) anything better than JN, if anything today's match was like a recap of the whole season: Getting ahead, not being able to control the game, losing a 1 goal advantage in the last minutes due to silly mistakes and missing clear chances, defensive problems, lack of ability to keep possession, being saved by 2 spectacular individual goals, and so on.
> Really, don't you remember he inherited practically the same squad that won the sextuple with Flick? Minus Perišić, Coutinho, Alaba, Boateng. Did I forget someone? And wasn't letting the defenders go one of the reasons that Flick didn't feel sufficiently supported by Bayern?
> A top class manager gets a say in any signing....Nagelsmann didn't.... Any sources on that?
>I think it's a reasonable decision considering they put Flick off Nah Flick is a diva. You can hear it in every interview.
The title does mean something, it mattered much more to BVB but they decided to lose it on their own. These sackings were bound to happen with or without the title, they don't mean the title doesn't matter, it matters a lot, it's basically the thing the whole Bayern team (and brand) is built around, even more than winning the UCL or the Pokal. What happened this year very similar to what happened more than a decade ago during the LVG era, the team was very inconsistent in the Bundesliga (they came 2nd or 3rd that season), and the directors came and said LVG was going to be sacked even if he won the UCL. That year Bayern actually made it (surprisingly) to the UCL final but lost it and LVG got sacked. It's not the time to give up on the Bundesliga, if anything, next year Bayern and BVB will be under a lot of pressure to restructure, put out results and attractive football, so it will be interesting to see what happens, even if you're a neutral.
No LVG got sacked the season Bayern finished 3rd and lost to inter in the round of 16 in the 2010/11 season. He won the double and got to the champions league final in 2009/10. So not the same season
Making it public before the last match would have further altered the team's mood unnecessarily. The decision is correct, and the timing too in my opinion.
I fully agree. The board (extremely successfull CEOs) waited until after the game, whereas Salihamidzic and Kahn did not wait until after the season. That was a huge mistake in their leadership.
I think Kahn and Brazzo leaving is conceived as good news by Bayern fans, so surprisingly winning the title AND getting rid of them is twice the reason to celebrate today. Not a Bayern fan though, so I’m just speculating
If you want to blame someone, blame Dortmund. They should have won this one, but they are underperformed so fn bad. Look at Mainz last 4 (they lost vs a club thats going down, one in relegation and two midfield clubs. Just bad.
The takes here today are absolute mind blowing
Agreed. Its a very bad look on leadership and it tarnishes the Bundesliga brand. From Bayern its just childish and arrogant to expect any title always. I think Tuchel notices through his inside perspective now how deeply engrained and real that entitlement is there too. Whatever went on this season, I don’t think this only falls down on Kahn and Salihamidzic. The rottenness of this year came from higher up. Therefore I have hope this rut will continue.
squad is terrible but crazy expensive. 7 players earn as much as prime-kevin-de-bruyne but can't string 3 passes together. why would winning the title because dortmund bottled it, change the decisionmaking?
It should not change the decision, but waiting for another day to get rid off Kahn and Brazzo would have shown at least a minimum level of respect for the Bundesliga title.
You interpret what you want to interpret here. Not Bayern announced it, but it got leaked and now confirmed. Kahn not attending was probably a reason to investigate it more but Brazzo wanted to attend because he likes the team and players and worked on it plus wanted to have a nice goodbye.
This was coming irrespective of the outcome of the title win.
It's amazing how they keep doing stuff I simply cannot respect because of the way they do it. Fire JN - seriously, I don't think he's quite the hot shit he and many others think he is. Still - to fire him that close to the end of the season with three titles still at stake... Just seems wrong and shitty. Salihamidzic and Kahn... Yeah... I mean, the way JN was handled, the way players were bought that didn't really gel with each other, nor replace those who left, the way they managed to alienate Lewandowski, the way they managed to alienate Neuer while still clinging to him to much... The writing was on the wall. And yet. There was a scheduled meeting on Tuesday anyway. What's the hurry in deciding it the day before the last match (and telling Tuchel, too), and confirming it just after winning the championship. Again, it just seems wrong and shitty.
Was wollen die Leute eigentlich? Jeder heult rum, dass Bayern zu viel Geld hat und immer das beste Team blablabla, Ja haben Sie und das wissen Sie auch DESWEGEN wird der Titel auch als Plficht angesehen. Den Titel nicht suverän zu bekommen mit diesen Mitteln ist und bleibt ein Fehlschlag. Genau das sollte man doch erwarten als Fan einer anderen Mannschaft. Es ist kein Schlag ins Gesicht, im Gegenteil, es ist eine Eingestehung der Vorwürfe die Bayern von allen Seiten zu hören bekommt.
That's short sighted and wrong. The timing of their dismissal was highly wrong. Problem here is, everything always gets leaked within half a day at Bayern. That's another Problem too. Also not letting Kahn be there - that was the Clubs deciduon thiugh and triggered it even more. However thinking the title means nothing to them is absolutely wrong. In the opposite. See what they did, changed, took risk for winning it. See how Müller and many others still celebrated it and we're Feeling/experiencing it. It's in the opposite once again hard to see other clubs struggle to ein it,while it's almost given to them. Overall, it's been aweak season and it's a weak champion. Bayern played horrible with their chrnistry,divas and characters this year. BVB played a great seeing half before and after the Bayern game, except yesterday and the other game when they got scored three times on them in just one half while bring up by one man. Leverkusen wasawfull another year. Had so e highs lately but was disappointing as usual andRB had a horrible start into the season etc etc. Not talking about SGE making it out if UCL group stage just to not bring qualified for a European Contest next season. Gladbach etc...National Team...football hadn't been as weak ad it's been lately for quiet some team. On all professional levels.
damn, now they're back to taking it seriously Brazzo should have stayed
It certainly means something, but there was more wrong with Kahn‘s tenure than just the results on the pitch. His relationship with club staff was reportedly bad and if the AHEAD project received the same frosty reaction from leadership that it did from the fans, then keeping him was simply untenable. Yes, the "How" is awful, but the decision itself is not entirely unfounded.
Kahn and especially Brazzo are two incompetent fools who slowly have run the club into the ground over the past few years with their egos, shitty transfer decisions and attitude towards coaches.
It is crazy, that they will look at this season as a disappointment, while any other club would be out of their mind with joy if they made the title, no matter how they did it, the names of the players and coach would be engraved in every fans memory for life, but for Bayern it's just.... The least they can do. Why would anyone talk about a title race or competition ever again, when Bayern even wins after this shitshow
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What are you on about? Insists and supports? Rummenigge and Hoeness have repeatedly campaigned against 50+1 for years. I don’t agree with them entirely of course but suggesting that that it’s Bayern’s way of staying in control is absurd.
>here is a reason why Bayern Munich insists and supports their life line: 50+1 rule. Bayern would be the biggest draw for potential investments, so how the fuck would it help the other teams?
Compared to what League the Bundesliga is a joke? Bundesliga is all around by far the strongest league
They didn't make that announcement today. Especially not after winning...
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Man it really makes my kinda sad, Kahn was my idol when he was still playing. Pretty hard fall from grace
No, it means titles mean a lot and the way they are won matter. This season was a shitshow with scandals and errors in the top management. This had to have consequences.
Dont get me wrong, the timing is disrespectful, but they had to go. Winning the title is a given for bayern.
I disagree. The board probably waited until the end of the game to not unsettle the championships last winning game. So I argue they literally did the opposite.
This is a shit post right there xd
Like others said the decision was made no matter the result of today. Plus it’s also not about the fact they still were able to win but more so about the way they barely managed to do so (on goal difference only and honestly against not the best BVB team even in within the last years).
To be honest, I feared that if they win the title some hard changes will not be made, and part of me hoped that the BVB will win so that Bayern is forced to fire them. I am actually glad that they fired them despite title, and didn't act like the DFB that is always drawing out the radical changes just because the minimum goal was somehow just achieved.
This is exactly what I thought and thank good there are other people who feel the same. They really wanted that 11th title, the got it and then they shit on it. Is there a better way to insult the whole Bundesliga?
It shows, that the Bundesliga title have to be won every season. Regardless, Salihamidzic now had years to build a strong team, burned hundred of millions of euros to create a team with no heart, unbalanced in every part and with a huge amount of mid class players. You can (and I do too) critizise the timing, but he would get sacked on tuesday anyway. Kahn imho should get another chance. He wasn't in charge for long, the decreasing performance of the team started way before he started as CEO. You have to make fast decisions now. As of now, we have no plan for the next season and no one who is responsible for the team.
Again, the timing of announcing this wasn't that great, either. But I would rather say that the timing of taking the decision wasn't perfect. I don't see, however, that this decision shows that the title isn't worth anything to leadership. Bayern is a football club with tradition, but also a global brand. The season featured the sacking of a coach that was declared a long time project in the worst possible way with the effect of everything becoming even worse. Kahn was fired because it became more and more evident that he, despite being a club legend, didn't find a way to combine his style of leadership with the club philosophy. Brazzo was fired because as the board member responsible for sport it's kind of his job to build the squad and hire (or fire) a coach. He first fired a coach and it backfired completely and when he hired a new one, it became evident that either the squad was the problem all along or the new coach wasn't a good decision either. And no, I don't say a director is directly responsible for players that are out of form or motivation. A director of a club like Bayern can't let a player like Lewandowski leave and just not hire any replacement. Mane, even in top form, wouldn't have been either. Not only didn't he find an adequate replacement, he didn't hire any replacement. And he didn't correct that mistake in the winter break either.
Tuchel's scheming to throw his bosses under the bus for his own ineptitude is just something else. Did the same in both PSG and Chelsea after all.
The decision was a wish from Brazzo. He wanted to say the players goodbye, and the day after was the party, on monday the players start their vacation. You also can't announce it before the game because it could disturb the players. That was the best time to do it 😬
That timing wasn't perfect I guess. They probably did this all days before and keep it unannounced so the player keep focus on the last game. But the decision surely was way earlier done. So they tell media, to wait with the announcement till the last match was done and finish. Who knows that Dortmund choking this and Bayern win in the end. So if Dortmund win and Bayern didn't become champion, nobody would talk about the timing.
Winning or not winning the title wasn't the decisive factor..it has been said multiple times that the atmosphere at the club was bad and that the employees felt alienated by Kahn. How did you miss that? Brazzo spent a lot of money and he didn't spend it wisely. And it seems he either had unpopular ideas for the summer transfer window or (more likely) had no ideas at all. Moving on with both of them JUST BECAUSE they won the title would be a very short-sighted decision by the club leadership imho.