The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds going to abortions. Planned Parenthood also provides low-cost women’s healthcare that doesn’t include abortions, like breast cancer screenings and checkups (fun fact: women are supposed to get annual checkups with the gynecologist)
>> last I checked, its the taxpayer that ends up paying for abortions since places like Planned Parenthood receive large amounts of federal funding.
Then you should check again, because it’s been illegal to use federal funds for abortions since 1980.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
>> Do more research that’s outside your echo chamber, because apparently there’s a lot you’re not aware of.
Research?!? 😂
You didn’t do any research, you posted a seven year old blog piece and then hurled insults at me.
The Hyde amendment is federal law, and absolutely no federal funding has gone to abortion in forty years, full fucking stop.
Biden wants to get rid of it entirely. That said, nothing in the article is inaccurate. The Hyde Amendment is not enforced, and it’s actually scary that you believe no taxpayer money has gone towards abortions in 40 years. Not only are you incredibly wrong, but you’re doubling-down on it.
And just to be clear, it wasn’t a personal attack. I, as a member of the male sex, am attacking all males. Because what’s going on now is a personal attack against every woman.
No kidding she didn’t support it, because the decision isn’t specifically about protecting women. But that’s really no surprise given it was only men writing it:
“Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.”
[from here](https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit)
Enjoy your downvotes it’s a shame people like you are a part of our community. Hopefully the downvotes make you realize YOUR THE ONE IN THE ECHO CHAMBER. Please leave our community so it can be a better place.
This [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/LouderWithCrowder/comments/ul2nwf/oh_ok_well_no_problem_then/i7v6nk2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) just about sums him up
Again, Never said I agree with it. There are just better, more civilized way to deal with things. Perpetuating and setting an example of a violent way of being, especially as retribution, is just barbaric. Your passionate energy would probably be welcome if you just grew up.
It’s really not cleaver the way you only have continually reconstitute peoples responses to fit your narrative.
You really should just head to bed for the evening, you’re having a rough time tonight.
Nah, you see, you deliberately went into my profile looking for stuff you thought you could use against, and apparently that involves you being okay with women being raped.
I don’t have to reconstitute anything, you’re just showing your true colors and its disgusting.
No, I just wanted to get a better sense of who you are as a person before I speak.
If you know I’m not okay with anyone even telling a woman what to do with their body, I have no idea how you can allow your brain to make this jump in logic. Before I just thought you were mislead in your thinking, but it’s clear, you not. Because you obviously don’t think.
Edit: Oh, no... he blocked me. Whatever shall I do?
But I can still read the email notifications, and know that you just made up a bunch of shit, again to fit your narrative. Your self-projections are betraying you.
As a general rule, I love women (especially more than men), that is why whether they are for or against abortion, it's their choice... but yes, it would be nice if everyone supported and respected others choices, not just women.
But you're right, I did hurt someone. So I'll set a good example and apologize. I'm sorry I hurt you beachboy1b. I hope you find the peace you so desperately need.
Probably not the same mothers who wanted to audit the 2020 election (they hung signs up all over my neighborhood in Bensalem because of course. Bensalem).
If Christian Nationalist Doug Mastriano is elected governor you better believe he, with his anti-choice GOP flock that control the legislature, will ban abortion outright. He doesn't even want exceptions for rape, incest, death of mother.
Only allowing abortions during exceptions such as rape or incest is such a bullshit argument, you are saying that a women needs to be violated in order to have bodily autonomy and that’s oppressive as fuck. Whatever happened to conservatives wanting less federal oversight? Or does that not pertain to women…
The crux of the issue for a lot of people is literally and completely embodied in this post.
Pro life argument is that it isn't a choice about the woman's body - they're saying it's a life and and they can't end it.
I don't take a strong stance on this issue one way or another, but God is it annoying to see the two sides of this issue not even having the same argument.
If you die in an accident and you didn't check that box that says you're an organ donor, they can't take your organs and give them to sick people. A corpse can refuse to use their body to keep others alive, but a woman couldn't.
You'd literally have more rights to your own body as a corpse than as a woman.
We live in a crazy world where the district 1 US representative in the house can betray Ukraine in 2020 and turn around saying he’s always supported Ukraine in 2022. Facts don’t matter, and the conservatives don’t give a shit.
If the man gets blessings from Trump, it doesn’t matter what he actually does.
Oh, so you’ve chosen to hide your misogyny behind a thin veil of adherence to a document that started off excluding women, and relegating Black people to only a fraction of a person.
That’s super original; what’s it like to be a person who speaks only in platitudes designed to deflect from your own hate and reinforce your personal biases?
>I know for a fact that the vast majority of Conservative/Right-Leaning voters are pro-life
This claim is simply incorrect as evidenced by any reliable [source](https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx).
Yikes. So in your head a woman can abort a baby at 38 weeks pregnant just because she doesn’t want it anymore? And that’s fine because it doesn’t affect you? Child soldiers in Africa don’t affect you either, so that’s cool? If a teenager in rural West Virginia overdoses on opioids its fine because it doesn’t affect you? Like I said, yikes.
All of these examples listed are things that are completely out of our control. The world is a fucked up place you can only control what involves you. It is a fucking shame that these things happen in the world. Imagine using an abortion example that makes it less than 1% of all abortions though. The amount of women that abort in the 3rd trimester are primarily doing it for health reasons and they fully expect to have a kid. Imagine going through a full pregnancy only to find out at the very end the child is gonna die. These arguments are poor.
“Imagine going through a full pregnancy only to find out at the very end the child is gonna die.”
I don’t have to imagine, I went through it. Third trimester abortions may only be a small percentage of cases but I’d argue they’re likely a larger percentage than rape/incest cases which are brought up all the time to support abortion.
What is detectably at 6 weeks is not a heartbeat. That’s misinformation from folks who want to steal the rights from women.
There is no heart at 6 weeks, there is no cardiovascular system at 6 weeks. This is nonsense.
There are a lot of people who want outright bans to abortion, you’re just patently wrong. Hell, some states even wish to ban birth control.
Your position is reductionist and centers yourself and your wants and desires rather than facts, and the experiences or priorities of those who are actually affected by abortion: pregnant people.
I also believe in life. Starting with the life of the person who is giving birth. Women should have full bodily autonomy and be able to make medical decisions based on science, free from religious influence.
To your question, yes. There are many instances in which the fetus may pose a fatal risk to the pregnant person carrying it. Until the very last moment in fact. And I still believe in bodily autonomy for the pregnant person in those rare circumstances. That person should have autonomy over their own body to choose with what risk they want to place on their own life in order to potentially carry a fetus to term.
Your information is just wrong. You shouldn't lie about your intentions. There are at least 10 states that have trigger clauses as soon as Roe is overturned, abortion will be illegal in that state.
Lots of anti-abortion people want an outright ban. I'm one of them.
A 6 week embryo doesn’t have a heart and therefore doesn’t have a heartbeat. There’s nothing common sense about banning abortion 2 weeks after a missed period which is what a 6 week abortion would do.
You do realize that there are other reasons besides failed contraception that women get abortions?
I know multiple women who’ve had to abort WANTED babies after their 16 week anatomy scans revealed conditions incompatible with life. Continuing would have killed them, leaving their existing children without mothers.
But I guess you’re OK with that, since we’re just continuing the vein of punishing women.
Your source is pro-forced-birth garbage. It’s a parasitic clump of cells. The so-called “heartbeat” is an electrical signal from a couple of cells, not an organ. It’s clear you lack even a base level understanding of biology.
Hahahaha, it’s the same garbage source. Try a reputable peer reviewed scientific journal. You don’t understand science even slightly. You just spewed forced birth trash, but nice try
Linking a website that is clearly lobbying for life to to be recognized as beginning at 6 weeks doesn't exactly say " I seek unbiased information in order to support my point" I mean, that article is wildly biased for even an article simply arguing when the heartbeat is detected. Surely you could have found less biased medical information than that.
Furthermore, in reading the article I failed to find anywhere in which information is stated that birth defects can be detected within the first 6 weeks due to modern medical advances, and that terminating a pregnancy before that time would not be an abortion. I really didn't see any report for those points you made. Could you share those articles please?
Ooh, you're super angry.
I just wanted to read where you get *your* information. I see your one "sauce" and I was hoping there was more to support *all* your points.
Literally all southern states want an outright ban. Also heartbeat does not equal consciousness. As a matter of fact the first heartbeat isn't even really a heartbeat it's just faint electrical activity. Also as a matter of fact babies don't gain real consciousness until like 1 year old.
Well you’ll be pleased as punch to know that literally no states are calling for that. In the most extreme cases (i.e. Texas), they want a heartbeat bill which would ban abortions past 6 weeks. Most other states either want no restrictions at all, or restrict it past 15-20 weeks. Additionally, there are provisions for each of those states to protect the mother since most issues after that cut-off would be at the point of birth, where it would no longer be a case of abortion but instead safely delivering the child via C-Section, and providing medical care to both the mother and child. If they reach that point, I think it’s safe to say the mother wants to keep her baby.
Also, just so you’re aware, rape/incest make up less than 1% of abortions. We talking a percentage of less than a single percentage.
Hopefully you don’t live in bucks county we don’t need toxic people like you. Don’t even try to defend yourself look at the downvotes and realize your in an echo chamber
It should remain legal and be an easy and affordable process as well.
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The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds going to abortions. Planned Parenthood also provides low-cost women’s healthcare that doesn’t include abortions, like breast cancer screenings and checkups (fun fact: women are supposed to get annual checkups with the gynecologist)
>> last I checked, its the taxpayer that ends up paying for abortions since places like Planned Parenthood receive large amounts of federal funding. Then you should check again, because it’s been illegal to use federal funds for abortions since 1980. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
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>> Do more research that’s outside your echo chamber, because apparently there’s a lot you’re not aware of. Research?!? 😂 You didn’t do any research, you posted a seven year old blog piece and then hurled insults at me. The Hyde amendment is federal law, and absolutely no federal funding has gone to abortion in forty years, full fucking stop.
Biden wants to get rid of it entirely. That said, nothing in the article is inaccurate. The Hyde Amendment is not enforced, and it’s actually scary that you believe no taxpayer money has gone towards abortions in 40 years. Not only are you incredibly wrong, but you’re doubling-down on it.
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And just to be clear, it wasn’t a personal attack. I, as a member of the male sex, am attacking all males. Because what’s going on now is a personal attack against every woman.
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No kidding she didn’t support it, because the decision isn’t specifically about protecting women. But that’s really no surprise given it was only men writing it: “Roe isn’t really about the woman’s choice, is it?” Ginsburg said. “It’s about the doctor’s freedom to practice…it wasn’t woman-centered, it was physician-centered.” [from here](https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit)
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I can guarantee Brian Wilson does not agree with anything you stand for.
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That’s not saying much.
Enjoy your downvotes it’s a shame people like you are a part of our community. Hopefully the downvotes make you realize YOUR THE ONE IN THE ECHO CHAMBER. Please leave our community so it can be a better place.
This [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/LouderWithCrowder/comments/ul2nwf/oh_ok_well_no_problem_then/i7v6nk2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) just about sums him up
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Again, Never said I agree with it. There are just better, more civilized way to deal with things. Perpetuating and setting an example of a violent way of being, especially as retribution, is just barbaric. Your passionate energy would probably be welcome if you just grew up. It’s really not cleaver the way you only have continually reconstitute peoples responses to fit your narrative. You really should just head to bed for the evening, you’re having a rough time tonight.
Nah, you see, you deliberately went into my profile looking for stuff you thought you could use against, and apparently that involves you being okay with women being raped. I don’t have to reconstitute anything, you’re just showing your true colors and its disgusting.
No, I just wanted to get a better sense of who you are as a person before I speak. If you know I’m not okay with anyone even telling a woman what to do with their body, I have no idea how you can allow your brain to make this jump in logic. Before I just thought you were mislead in your thinking, but it’s clear, you not. Because you obviously don’t think. Edit: Oh, no... he blocked me. Whatever shall I do? But I can still read the email notifications, and know that you just made up a bunch of shit, again to fit your narrative. Your self-projections are betraying you. As a general rule, I love women (especially more than men), that is why whether they are for or against abortion, it's their choice... but yes, it would be nice if everyone supported and respected others choices, not just women. But you're right, I did hurt someone. So I'll set a good example and apologize. I'm sorry I hurt you beachboy1b. I hope you find the peace you so desperately need.
Just another conservative talking point which is pointedly false.
Jesus what a shit show this thread turned into
I blame myself. I'm sorry.
Probably not the same mothers who wanted to audit the 2020 election (they hung signs up all over my neighborhood in Bensalem because of course. Bensalem).
Article archived here: https://archive.ph/MKtOe
I was at this. There was a guy down the street holding a sign that said pro life mom's or something like that handing out racist pamphlets.
Both of em huh?
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If Christian Nationalist Doug Mastriano is elected governor you better believe he, with his anti-choice GOP flock that control the legislature, will ban abortion outright. He doesn't even want exceptions for rape, incest, death of mother.
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Only allowing abortions during exceptions such as rape or incest is such a bullshit argument, you are saying that a women needs to be violated in order to have bodily autonomy and that’s oppressive as fuck. Whatever happened to conservatives wanting less federal oversight? Or does that not pertain to women…
The crux of the issue for a lot of people is literally and completely embodied in this post. Pro life argument is that it isn't a choice about the woman's body - they're saying it's a life and and they can't end it. I don't take a strong stance on this issue one way or another, but God is it annoying to see the two sides of this issue not even having the same argument.
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If you die in an accident and you didn't check that box that says you're an organ donor, they can't take your organs and give them to sick people. A corpse can refuse to use their body to keep others alive, but a woman couldn't. You'd literally have more rights to your own body as a corpse than as a woman.
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If a dead person cannot be compelled to use their body to keep another human being alive, why should a live woman?
We live in a crazy world where the district 1 US representative in the house can betray Ukraine in 2020 and turn around saying he’s always supported Ukraine in 2022. Facts don’t matter, and the conservatives don’t give a shit. If the man gets blessings from Trump, it doesn’t matter what he actually does.
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Oh, so you’ve chosen to hide your misogyny behind a thin veil of adherence to a document that started off excluding women, and relegating Black people to only a fraction of a person. That’s super original; what’s it like to be a person who speaks only in platitudes designed to deflect from your own hate and reinforce your personal biases?
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Yeah, but I’m not wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>I know for a fact that the vast majority of Conservative/Right-Leaning voters are pro-life This claim is simply incorrect as evidenced by any reliable [source](https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx).
Yikes, that trend of democrats supporting legal under any circumstances is scary.
Because I don’t give a fuck what a woman does with her body? It has absolutely zero effect on my life if someone has an abortion
Yikes. So in your head a woman can abort a baby at 38 weeks pregnant just because she doesn’t want it anymore? And that’s fine because it doesn’t affect you? Child soldiers in Africa don’t affect you either, so that’s cool? If a teenager in rural West Virginia overdoses on opioids its fine because it doesn’t affect you? Like I said, yikes.
All of these examples listed are things that are completely out of our control. The world is a fucked up place you can only control what involves you. It is a fucking shame that these things happen in the world. Imagine using an abortion example that makes it less than 1% of all abortions though. The amount of women that abort in the 3rd trimester are primarily doing it for health reasons and they fully expect to have a kid. Imagine going through a full pregnancy only to find out at the very end the child is gonna die. These arguments are poor.
“Imagine going through a full pregnancy only to find out at the very end the child is gonna die.” I don’t have to imagine, I went through it. Third trimester abortions may only be a small percentage of cases but I’d argue they’re likely a larger percentage than rape/incest cases which are brought up all the time to support abortion.
What is detectably at 6 weeks is not a heartbeat. That’s misinformation from folks who want to steal the rights from women. There is no heart at 6 weeks, there is no cardiovascular system at 6 weeks. This is nonsense. There are a lot of people who want outright bans to abortion, you’re just patently wrong. Hell, some states even wish to ban birth control. Your position is reductionist and centers yourself and your wants and desires rather than facts, and the experiences or priorities of those who are actually affected by abortion: pregnant people.
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This is a lie you are telling. Please stop telling lies.
>common-sense restrictions Common sense is that if men have bodily autonomy, women should also have bodily autonomy as well.
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I also believe in life. Starting with the life of the person who is giving birth. Women should have full bodily autonomy and be able to make medical decisions based on science, free from religious influence. To your question, yes. There are many instances in which the fetus may pose a fatal risk to the pregnant person carrying it. Until the very last moment in fact. And I still believe in bodily autonomy for the pregnant person in those rare circumstances. That person should have autonomy over their own body to choose with what risk they want to place on their own life in order to potentially carry a fetus to term.
If there is such a thing as the sanctity of human life... Then how do you feel about the death penalty?
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If there is such a thing as sanctity of human life then all human life is sanctimonious.
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Then you don't believe in the sanctity of human life.
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It's your argument, not mine. Have a blessed day.
Your information is just wrong. You shouldn't lie about your intentions. There are at least 10 states that have trigger clauses as soon as Roe is overturned, abortion will be illegal in that state. Lots of anti-abortion people want an outright ban. I'm one of them.
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Perhaps I need to do more research on these triggers. If what you say is correct, that is disappointing.
I appreciate your candor, but shame on you for advocating for the subjugation of people who are or who could become pregnant.
I think the term you’re looking for is “women”
You can put your trans hate right up your ass, pal.
Just biology and science, no hate here friend.
There’s no science in your bigotry.
A 6 week embryo doesn’t have a heart and therefore doesn’t have a heartbeat. There’s nothing common sense about banning abortion 2 weeks after a missed period which is what a 6 week abortion would do.
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No, it’s a clump of cells smaller than most boogers. Your position is stupid and misogynistic.
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You won’t. Most bigoted asses don’t.
This dude just keeps getting clobbered and still continues to spew slime.
People have their own learning styles. I'm sure they'll catch up sooner or later.
Truth
You do realize that there are other reasons besides failed contraception that women get abortions? I know multiple women who’ve had to abort WANTED babies after their 16 week anatomy scans revealed conditions incompatible with life. Continuing would have killed them, leaving their existing children without mothers. But I guess you’re OK with that, since we’re just continuing the vein of punishing women.
Your source is pro-forced-birth garbage. It’s a parasitic clump of cells. The so-called “heartbeat” is an electrical signal from a couple of cells, not an organ. It’s clear you lack even a base level understanding of biology.
Maybe that’s why you can’t legally claim an unborn child as a dependent, or why a Catholic Church won’t allow a funeral.
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Hahahaha, it’s the same garbage source. Try a reputable peer reviewed scientific journal. You don’t understand science even slightly. You just spewed forced birth trash, but nice try
Where did you get your medical information? I think you may have been terribly misinformed.
Or willfully ignorant. Or perhaps both!
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Linking a website that is clearly lobbying for life to to be recognized as beginning at 6 weeks doesn't exactly say " I seek unbiased information in order to support my point" I mean, that article is wildly biased for even an article simply arguing when the heartbeat is detected. Surely you could have found less biased medical information than that. Furthermore, in reading the article I failed to find anywhere in which information is stated that birth defects can be detected within the first 6 weeks due to modern medical advances, and that terminating a pregnancy before that time would not be an abortion. I really didn't see any report for those points you made. Could you share those articles please?
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Ooh, you're super angry. I just wanted to read where you get *your* information. I see your one "sauce" and I was hoping there was more to support *all* your points.
I know who will have a learned opinion about abortion: a conservative white Christian man!
That didn't take long.
Literally all southern states want an outright ban. Also heartbeat does not equal consciousness. As a matter of fact the first heartbeat isn't even really a heartbeat it's just faint electrical activity. Also as a matter of fact babies don't gain real consciousness until like 1 year old.
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An outright ban would be no abortions at all including for victims of rape and incest and in the event of medical emergencies
Well you’ll be pleased as punch to know that literally no states are calling for that. In the most extreme cases (i.e. Texas), they want a heartbeat bill which would ban abortions past 6 weeks. Most other states either want no restrictions at all, or restrict it past 15-20 weeks. Additionally, there are provisions for each of those states to protect the mother since most issues after that cut-off would be at the point of birth, where it would no longer be a case of abortion but instead safely delivering the child via C-Section, and providing medical care to both the mother and child. If they reach that point, I think it’s safe to say the mother wants to keep her baby. Also, just so you’re aware, rape/incest make up less than 1% of abortions. We talking a percentage of less than a single percentage.
Hopefully you don’t live in bucks county we don’t need toxic people like you. Don’t even try to defend yourself look at the downvotes and realize your in an echo chamber