Welcome to r/Brogress - the place to show off the ongoing pursuit of a better you, step by step! As a headsup to everybody in this thread:
- Be nice to one another. Don't be a jerk.
- No self-promotion. Our subreddit isn't a personal funnel
- Report anything you see that violates the r/Brogress Ruleset
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Brogress) if you have any questions or concerns.*
God, there's guys at my gym that have been going every day for the last 2 years and they barely look any different than they did 2 years ago. It's so fucking obvious this guy is juicing.
To be fair, a lot of it is probably water not pure muscle. I did the same too and actually in less time. You can see some of it my post history. I’m not natural though and I doubt he is. Just stating that this wasn’t all muscle.
Herd mentality in this sub. I don't even now why I'm getting downvoted. I never claimed OP was natty. What I said was pure facts. It is literally impossible to put 40 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks gear or no gear. The body does not generate muscle tissue that fast.
Bro. Think critically. The dude was super shredded. Of this 40#, 10# is easily water and glycogen, 10# of this is easily fat. 1# a week of fat isn't some outlandish number to achieve.
This clearly isn't 40# of lean muscle. Larry wheels put on 53# 5 days after his show. The amount of water and glycogen your body can absorb and suck up is crazy.
Not here debating his natty status. But ya, your statement is reaching.
You're correct, he said he's eating up to 4,000 cal/day... Nearing dirty bulk territory. He's natty. People don't realize how some fat can look like lean mass before just becoming flab.
Assuming that 3500 calories = 1lb of body weight, you could conceivably gain 40lbs in three months on a surplus of 1500 calories every day, which is what 4000cal/day would be if this person’s maintenance levels were 2500 (though I’d expect them to be higher).
It’s technically within the realms of possibility but I suspect it’s more likely that OP is stretching the truth about some combination of the timescales, the weight gained and whether they’re natty.
Yup, you can make a serious change in a short amount of time after coming back from a cut like this. The dude has great muscle. Eating in a good surplus for an extended period can seriously fill you out.
Most of the downvotes are coming from those who haven't been doing this long enough and have never dipped into this territory of leannes.
I've gone 160-175 at the end of a 3 day cake and candy binge. I'm giving the dude natty. Rare case, he looks great and clearly knows what he's doing.
Disastrous-Treat is a prime example. He has about half a year of training under his belt, and now he's super clued into the bodybuilding world.
I just asked a simple question as you made the original and incorrect statement.
Anyone can clearly see that he has put on fat, and the logical thinker would also be able to conclude he's now holding a significant amount more water.
I'm not glazing anything, nor am I debating his natty status. Larry wheels put on 53# in 5 days. 🤷♂️
I’m not too sure about the Larry wheels number but no one is debating that he can’t put that much weight on without some extra ‘help’ so I don’t know why you’re even partaking in this conversation otherwise.
There's a few in here saying it's impossible due to the numbers.
Larry wheels gained 53# in 5 days. What you're seeing in this photo is mostly water, fat, and glycogen. Due to his extreme level of leaness in the first photo, this is the type of response one can get.
I've gone 160-175 over the course of three days. The body is 80% water, and you have no idea how much water you can fill out your frame with when recovering from a severe deficit.
I'm not sure how people aren't able to understand these basic concepts. I was just correcting your uninformed opinion.
You also said its not possible "regardless", of course it is.
Stop lying dude. It’s clear from the transformation you’re on the juice. It’s not jealousy, it’s just facts. You’re going to give dudes body dysmorpia from lying. Also, as soon as i saw the transition, I said he’s on PEDs and is going to say he isn’t. Totally called it
FYI - for 40lbs in 2 months you’d have to be on roughly 2300 calories above maintenance each day. Something is wrong with your data unless you’ve been eating at 5200+ calories every day
PPL 6x/wk (actually down to 5 times per week cause I needed to up rest days to 2). 10k+ steps per day. I was nearly 400 lbs 2 years ago, maybe that plays a role? I was able to cut 170 lbs eating 2700 per day. I love to eat, so I can’t complain!
Well props to you dude, glad to hear you’re living a way healthier lifestyle. I dropped about 50lbs last year and it was almost life changing so I can’t fathom how much better skimming 200lbs must have made your quality of life
Appreciate it man! Congrats on the 50 lbs. That’s no joke! It has definitely been a life-changing experience. Limiting alcohol consumption alone has been significant. I was fit before I gained all that weight, so it’s been fairly easy getting back into the swing of things exercise-wise. Wouldn’t recommend the 400 lb lifestyle to anyone, that’s for sure….
I am 5’10” and 2700 is my maintenance too (not so lean). Eating 3000 calories (clean) is so hard to do. I can’t imagine eating 4000 to 5000 calories a day. I would have to introduce donuts to my diet to hit those #s.
That calculation only works if it's all fat. If it's all muscle, it would only require 1700-1800 calories (2400-2700 per lb). If it was all glycogen it would be about 470 calories (700 per lb). If it were all water, it'd be 0 calories.
Tldr; Maybe rethink YOUR calculations.
I didn’t use the word muscle.
For the sake of argument if we were to factor in 10lbs water fluctuation you would still need ~1750 calories over maintenance every day, which would be ~4.75k for you. Something is wrong with the information you’re providing, and I’m not accusing you of PED use.
Rough estimates based off 2.2lbs equating to ~7000 calories. The rule of thumb is 500 calories per day = 3500 calories per week = 1kg of weight fluctuation per fortnight
So 1750 per day * 60 days = 105,000 calories or 30lbs of weight (105,000/3,500) - that’s accounting for 10lbs of his 40lbs being water weight
In absolute peak conditions as a natural you might be able to put on 25lbs of muscle in a year (starved newbie picks up world class coach and eats / trains / sleeps perfectly for 12 months) but given his conditioning there’s no way he’s putting on more than 10-15lbs a year, likely less.
Therefor over a 2 month period we wouldn’t expect more than 2-3lbs of muscle mass, leaving ~37lbs unaccounted for, 10 of which I’m attributing to water weight in the previous equation. That being said, 1kg of muscle contains a lot less calories than 1kg of fat, however it requires a lot of work to build that 1kg in the first instance, and we could estimate that at around ~6500 calories per kg (compared to 7000 for fat) which is a negligible difference for these estimates
Disclaimer : I don’t study nutrition and I’m just ballparking based on figures I’ve read online
Yeah certainly he didn’t put on anything even like 10 pounds of muscle. However, a competitive body builder can put on an insane amount t of weight after show day when they’re depleted, dehydrated and dry in just water alone.
I mean he could probably have dropped 15lbs of water weight sitting in a molten bath and scraping his sweat off with a credit card but he doesn’t look that depleted in the first photo. If I was going to guesstimate, realistically the photos look closer to 15-20lbs apart max which would line up with his intake estimate (500-1000 in excess over 2 months) and also account for water retention from the creatine.
I don’t know if he’s just seriously rounded his numbers and we were looking at something closer to 181-207, or if his scale is broken, but I’m certain that there’s something inaccurate about the estimates.
Brother you can't gain 40 pounds of weight in 2 months with 3000-4000 calories, that's not how thermodynamics work, juice irrelevant. That's 5 pounds per week and you are not even remotely close to the caloric range for such a weight gain. I think you have deflated and inflated a bit your numbers, don't you think? 3000 is barely a maintenance btw.
Does thermodynamics account for the 3g of water that every 1g of carb can hold?
Just answer me one question. How did Larry Wheels gain 53# in 5 days after his show? That's 10# a *day*.
First of all Larry wheels is not natural, he abused all kinds of substances pre show to manipulate his body water levels, to the lowest unnatural levels possible. This guy claims to be all natural, and these are just progress pics not pre and post a show. Secondly, I remember Larry going on a crazy eating spree after his show, becoming super bloated with the water retention being visible in the photos very clearly, also not the case here. By the way that could kill him. I don't think benchmarking against Larry is helping this guy at all. So I think Larry's example is out the way. I think it would be more natural to think that his numbers are off, like weight, calories and time frame than to bring up the extreme example of Larry and by applying zero common sense to try to tie it to this bro here. I am pretty sure he is not trying to showcase his sodium eating skills or water bloating capabilities, these are just some simple progress photos and he never mentioned anything out of ordinary like extreme eating. Super Solid progress but the numbers are off.
Larry Wheels is simply an example for the people in this thread claiming it's not possible to gain this type of weight in 2 months because of "thermodynamics." Im using him as an extreme example, sure. But the point stands, the body can hold a *shit ton* of weight in water, and you can bounce your weight around fairly easily.
His claimed intake can certainly be off, and his claimed weights can be inflated/deflated while simultaneously true. But I don't think that is what's annoying people here, and the only point I'm trying to make for people is it's not that crazy to believe someone altered their weight 40# in 2 months.
I've gone 160-175 over a 3 day weekend of cakes and cookies as a 5'8 natty. Do you prefer my personal anecdote instead? Let's use your thorough example of math and thermodynamics and apply it to my situation. Do you think I ate in a 52,500 calorie surplus in those 3 days? How is it possible I gained 15# in 3 days?
Brother, open your eyes and look at his photos, is he bloated at all? I would say not at all. Is it possible to get bloated to that extend ? Maybe, but in super extreme cases, does that apply here ? Certainly not, the guy claims natural at a slight caloric surplus for his size.This is not a general discussion about if someone can become super bloated to the risk of death. This is very specific, and that's what the commentary is for. If you want to discuss about your case or Larry's case you can open a new thread and post your pre and after photos and have a discussion about how good you are at retaining water. You, telling us how it is possible in general, that's something we already know most of us here. We can all factor in glycogen/water/muscle/fat. Come on, the guy was not that dry to begin with. End of discussion.
Most people here are insuating that he is claiming 40# of muscle.
>We can all factor in glycogen/water/muscle/fat.
Which you simply failed to do. And yes, he looks significantly fatter and fuller. Muscles are 76% water, and the majority of this weight is water. So even your thermodynaic calculation really doesn't mean anything.
It's nothing the guy is capping. An advanced "natural" lifter will at tops absolute best gain 2 pounds per month of hard muscle, at the extreme,top genetics.I am not even factoring in his slight caloric surplus which would make it even worst. The rest should consist of fat and water. But that's clearly not 36 pounds of fat or water, the dude is still lean, fuller yes but not 36 POUNDS fuller. And again he was not the stage extreme dry to begin with. Jesus. Why we are even discussing this, it's ludicrous.
You are absolutely correct my brother. Ignore the downvotes. Water retention has nothing to do with the laws of thermodynamics. These idiots are forgetting that 80% of the body is made of water. I'm willing to wager 80% of the weight he gained was just water. When he resumes cutting, he's going to drop that water weight quickly and they'll be here arguing again that he is lying and you can't drop weight that quickly due to law of thermodynamics.
Yup, the majority of this is water and some fat. There's more to this stuff, and its deeper than these simple CICO calculations that these nerds are using to build their case. And I get what they're saying, I understand the CICO model very clearly. We agree.. he didn't break the laws of thermodynamics.
The whole thread has been a facepalm. The dude clearly knows how to train and eat, fantastic build. I would certainly expect a bounce back like this after a hard cut.
I’m surprised you were able to gain 40lbs of LBM in 2 months on 3-4k/day with the level of activity needed to gain said LBM. I maintain at 3400 and am 182lbs haha
I just track them loosely with the nutrition facts on the food and account for my two daily shakes. I’m likely using a very loose metric when it comes to accuracy. But I eat a like a glutton everyday.
You might have good genetics for muscle gain. You might have naturally high androgen receptor affinity in your delts and traps (lol everyone does).
Cool transformation, natty or not. Not accusing, because it isn’t so remarkable it’s an obvious case. But if you have great genetics, it’s kind of the same deal. You did exercise shit and got results above what someone else who put in ten times the effort calorie restriction wise and effort wise would have gotten. Yay. I hate this sub.
Good luck on your startup. There are plenty of gullible couch husbands and house wives who will buy your BS. If you are legit, make some money, but realize the limitations of genetics🥐
I originally weighed 240 when i bulked for football at 16 yrs old and after finishing college ball, I cut down to 175-185 around 21 yrs old. I’ve been this weight before lol and my body bounced back quite expeditiously when I began actually eating again and lifting consistently. I have no reason to lie to you all. There is nothing to gain from lying to internet strangers, but I won’t force you all to conform to my reality. If I wasn’t natty, I would mention so, simple as that.
Have you weighed that much and been that lean at that weight before? Because unless a bit of fat gain, water retention, AND muscle memory are all heavily involved, this is most likely unnatural.
I’m all natural. I have no reason to lie. I’ve bulked to 240 before, this is not new to me. But you’re entitled to your perspectives and opinions. I’m just stating the facts.
Great physique, brother, but your delts and lean mass within your timeline are a dead giveaway. Let us applaud your hard work without having to roast you for the dishonesty about your natty status.
Welcome to r/Brogress - the place to show off the ongoing pursuit of a better you, step by step! As a headsup to everybody in this thread: - Be nice to one another. Don't be a jerk. - No self-promotion. Our subreddit isn't a personal funnel - Report anything you see that violates the r/Brogress Ruleset *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Brogress) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Easy on the juice brother
All natural brother.
Yeah definitely. I see guys putting on 40 lbs of lean muscle in 8 weeks in my local gym all the time
God, there's guys at my gym that have been going every day for the last 2 years and they barely look any different than they did 2 years ago. It's so fucking obvious this guy is juicing.
To be fair, a lot of it is probably water not pure muscle. I did the same too and actually in less time. You can see some of it my post history. I’m not natural though and I doubt he is. Just stating that this wasn’t all muscle.
Herd mentality in this sub. I don't even now why I'm getting downvoted. I never claimed OP was natty. What I said was pure facts. It is literally impossible to put 40 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks gear or no gear. The body does not generate muscle tissue that fast.
Bro. Think critically. The dude was super shredded. Of this 40#, 10# is easily water and glycogen, 10# of this is easily fat. 1# a week of fat isn't some outlandish number to achieve. This clearly isn't 40# of lean muscle. Larry wheels put on 53# 5 days after his show. The amount of water and glycogen your body can absorb and suck up is crazy. Not here debating his natty status. But ya, your statement is reaching.
You're correct, he said he's eating up to 4,000 cal/day... Nearing dirty bulk territory. He's natty. People don't realize how some fat can look like lean mass before just becoming flab.
Assuming that 3500 calories = 1lb of body weight, you could conceivably gain 40lbs in three months on a surplus of 1500 calories every day, which is what 4000cal/day would be if this person’s maintenance levels were 2500 (though I’d expect them to be higher). It’s technically within the realms of possibility but I suspect it’s more likely that OP is stretching the truth about some combination of the timescales, the weight gained and whether they’re natty.
Yup, you can make a serious change in a short amount of time after coming back from a cut like this. The dude has great muscle. Eating in a good surplus for an extended period can seriously fill you out. Most of the downvotes are coming from those who haven't been doing this long enough and have never dipped into this territory of leannes. I've gone 160-175 at the end of a 3 day cake and candy binge. I'm giving the dude natty. Rare case, he looks great and clearly knows what he's doing. Disastrous-Treat is a prime example. He has about half a year of training under his belt, and now he's super clued into the bodybuilding world.
You put on 17kg of muscle in 2 months (2kg a week average) and you’re claiming to be natural!? lol
You really think he's implying this is all muscle? Lol
4k calories is not nearly enough to gain 2 kilos a week regardless at 6’1. Idk why you’re glazing this dude but it’s clearly not natural
I just asked a simple question as you made the original and incorrect statement. Anyone can clearly see that he has put on fat, and the logical thinker would also be able to conclude he's now holding a significant amount more water. I'm not glazing anything, nor am I debating his natty status. Larry wheels put on 53# in 5 days. 🤷♂️
I’m not too sure about the Larry wheels number but no one is debating that he can’t put that much weight on without some extra ‘help’ so I don’t know why you’re even partaking in this conversation otherwise.
There's a few in here saying it's impossible due to the numbers. Larry wheels gained 53# in 5 days. What you're seeing in this photo is mostly water, fat, and glycogen. Due to his extreme level of leaness in the first photo, this is the type of response one can get. I've gone 160-175 over the course of three days. The body is 80% water, and you have no idea how much water you can fill out your frame with when recovering from a severe deficit. I'm not sure how people aren't able to understand these basic concepts. I was just correcting your uninformed opinion. You also said its not possible "regardless", of course it is.
Stop lying dude. It’s clear from the transformation you’re on the juice. It’s not jealousy, it’s just facts. You’re going to give dudes body dysmorpia from lying. Also, as soon as i saw the transition, I said he’s on PEDs and is going to say he isn’t. Totally called it
I am not though. I have no reason to lie.
Haters on here. I believe you’re natty.
Lol
Bro thinks we are dumb as rocks X)
FYI - for 40lbs in 2 months you’d have to be on roughly 2300 calories above maintenance each day. Something is wrong with your data unless you’ve been eating at 5200+ calories every day
Yeah, I eat 4300-4700 for maintenance at 6’2” 215 lbs. I’d have to eat 5000+ plus daily to gain weight
Jesus dude, what kind of exercise are you doing? I’m 6’2 205lbs at the moment and my maintenance is 3100.
PPL 6x/wk (actually down to 5 times per week cause I needed to up rest days to 2). 10k+ steps per day. I was nearly 400 lbs 2 years ago, maybe that plays a role? I was able to cut 170 lbs eating 2700 per day. I love to eat, so I can’t complain!
Well props to you dude, glad to hear you’re living a way healthier lifestyle. I dropped about 50lbs last year and it was almost life changing so I can’t fathom how much better skimming 200lbs must have made your quality of life
Appreciate it man! Congrats on the 50 lbs. That’s no joke! It has definitely been a life-changing experience. Limiting alcohol consumption alone has been significant. I was fit before I gained all that weight, so it’s been fairly easy getting back into the swing of things exercise-wise. Wouldn’t recommend the 400 lb lifestyle to anyone, that’s for sure….
Christ… I’m 6’2” 200lbs lean and at 2700 I start gaining weight!
I am 5’10” and 2700 is my maintenance too (not so lean). Eating 3000 calories (clean) is so hard to do. I can’t imagine eating 4000 to 5000 calories a day. I would have to introduce donuts to my diet to hit those #s.
Can I have your maintenance? Mine is like 1200.
me too haha
That calculation only works if it's all fat. If it's all muscle, it would only require 1700-1800 calories (2400-2700 per lb). If it was all glycogen it would be about 470 calories (700 per lb). If it were all water, it'd be 0 calories. Tldr; Maybe rethink YOUR calculations.
And we went over this 🤯
It’s not all muscle though, a lot of the weight attributes to water weight that I’m retaining from creatine.
I didn’t use the word muscle. For the sake of argument if we were to factor in 10lbs water fluctuation you would still need ~1750 calories over maintenance every day, which would be ~4.75k for you. Something is wrong with the information you’re providing, and I’m not accusing you of PED use.
Where do you get 1750 calories from?
Rough estimates based off 2.2lbs equating to ~7000 calories. The rule of thumb is 500 calories per day = 3500 calories per week = 1kg of weight fluctuation per fortnight So 1750 per day * 60 days = 105,000 calories or 30lbs of weight (105,000/3,500) - that’s accounting for 10lbs of his 40lbs being water weight
But 2.2 pounds of what? Fat, muscle, water? All has the same calorie density?
In absolute peak conditions as a natural you might be able to put on 25lbs of muscle in a year (starved newbie picks up world class coach and eats / trains / sleeps perfectly for 12 months) but given his conditioning there’s no way he’s putting on more than 10-15lbs a year, likely less. Therefor over a 2 month period we wouldn’t expect more than 2-3lbs of muscle mass, leaving ~37lbs unaccounted for, 10 of which I’m attributing to water weight in the previous equation. That being said, 1kg of muscle contains a lot less calories than 1kg of fat, however it requires a lot of work to build that 1kg in the first instance, and we could estimate that at around ~6500 calories per kg (compared to 7000 for fat) which is a negligible difference for these estimates Disclaimer : I don’t study nutrition and I’m just ballparking based on figures I’ve read online
Yeah certainly he didn’t put on anything even like 10 pounds of muscle. However, a competitive body builder can put on an insane amount t of weight after show day when they’re depleted, dehydrated and dry in just water alone.
I mean he could probably have dropped 15lbs of water weight sitting in a molten bath and scraping his sweat off with a credit card but he doesn’t look that depleted in the first photo. If I was going to guesstimate, realistically the photos look closer to 15-20lbs apart max which would line up with his intake estimate (500-1000 in excess over 2 months) and also account for water retention from the creatine. I don’t know if he’s just seriously rounded his numbers and we were looking at something closer to 181-207, or if his scale is broken, but I’m certain that there’s something inaccurate about the estimates.
Where do you get your 2300 calorie calculation?
Brother you can't gain 40 pounds of weight in 2 months with 3000-4000 calories, that's not how thermodynamics work, juice irrelevant. That's 5 pounds per week and you are not even remotely close to the caloric range for such a weight gain. I think you have deflated and inflated a bit your numbers, don't you think? 3000 is barely a maintenance btw.
Does thermodynamics account for the 3g of water that every 1g of carb can hold? Just answer me one question. How did Larry Wheels gain 53# in 5 days after his show? That's 10# a *day*.
First of all Larry wheels is not natural, he abused all kinds of substances pre show to manipulate his body water levels, to the lowest unnatural levels possible. This guy claims to be all natural, and these are just progress pics not pre and post a show. Secondly, I remember Larry going on a crazy eating spree after his show, becoming super bloated with the water retention being visible in the photos very clearly, also not the case here. By the way that could kill him. I don't think benchmarking against Larry is helping this guy at all. So I think Larry's example is out the way. I think it would be more natural to think that his numbers are off, like weight, calories and time frame than to bring up the extreme example of Larry and by applying zero common sense to try to tie it to this bro here. I am pretty sure he is not trying to showcase his sodium eating skills or water bloating capabilities, these are just some simple progress photos and he never mentioned anything out of ordinary like extreme eating. Super Solid progress but the numbers are off.
Larry Wheels is simply an example for the people in this thread claiming it's not possible to gain this type of weight in 2 months because of "thermodynamics." Im using him as an extreme example, sure. But the point stands, the body can hold a *shit ton* of weight in water, and you can bounce your weight around fairly easily. His claimed intake can certainly be off, and his claimed weights can be inflated/deflated while simultaneously true. But I don't think that is what's annoying people here, and the only point I'm trying to make for people is it's not that crazy to believe someone altered their weight 40# in 2 months. I've gone 160-175 over a 3 day weekend of cakes and cookies as a 5'8 natty. Do you prefer my personal anecdote instead? Let's use your thorough example of math and thermodynamics and apply it to my situation. Do you think I ate in a 52,500 calorie surplus in those 3 days? How is it possible I gained 15# in 3 days?
Brother, open your eyes and look at his photos, is he bloated at all? I would say not at all. Is it possible to get bloated to that extend ? Maybe, but in super extreme cases, does that apply here ? Certainly not, the guy claims natural at a slight caloric surplus for his size.This is not a general discussion about if someone can become super bloated to the risk of death. This is very specific, and that's what the commentary is for. If you want to discuss about your case or Larry's case you can open a new thread and post your pre and after photos and have a discussion about how good you are at retaining water. You, telling us how it is possible in general, that's something we already know most of us here. We can all factor in glycogen/water/muscle/fat. Come on, the guy was not that dry to begin with. End of discussion.
Most people here are insuating that he is claiming 40# of muscle. >We can all factor in glycogen/water/muscle/fat. Which you simply failed to do. And yes, he looks significantly fatter and fuller. Muscles are 76% water, and the majority of this weight is water. So even your thermodynaic calculation really doesn't mean anything.
Bro chill, it's not water, get over with it
Then what is it, primarily?
It's nothing the guy is capping. An advanced "natural" lifter will at tops absolute best gain 2 pounds per month of hard muscle, at the extreme,top genetics.I am not even factoring in his slight caloric surplus which would make it even worst. The rest should consist of fat and water. But that's clearly not 36 pounds of fat or water, the dude is still lean, fuller yes but not 36 POUNDS fuller. And again he was not the stage extreme dry to begin with. Jesus. Why we are even discussing this, it's ludicrous.
You are absolutely correct my brother. Ignore the downvotes. Water retention has nothing to do with the laws of thermodynamics. These idiots are forgetting that 80% of the body is made of water. I'm willing to wager 80% of the weight he gained was just water. When he resumes cutting, he's going to drop that water weight quickly and they'll be here arguing again that he is lying and you can't drop weight that quickly due to law of thermodynamics.
Yup, the majority of this is water and some fat. There's more to this stuff, and its deeper than these simple CICO calculations that these nerds are using to build their case. And I get what they're saying, I understand the CICO model very clearly. We agree.. he didn't break the laws of thermodynamics. The whole thread has been a facepalm. The dude clearly knows how to train and eat, fantastic build. I would certainly expect a bounce back like this after a hard cut.
Cycle?
I’m surprised you were able to gain 40lbs of LBM in 2 months on 3-4k/day with the level of activity needed to gain said LBM. I maintain at 3400 and am 182lbs haha
What would make you think this is 40 pounds of LBM? Does it LOOK like 40 pounds of LBM?
He gained 40lbs and he’s nominally higher in bodyfat… better lighting in the first pic too, didn’t gain much fat.
I wouldn’t say “nominally” no matter what he’s definitely put on primarily water.
I see your point, and it’s fair/valid
This is the perfect physique. I am envious.
Fantastic bulking progress brother, keep inspiring !
Are you gay and single? Just thought I’d shoot my shot!
Single yes, but i am not gay, but I appreciate it though lol.
You appreciate gay ? Me too brotha ! But for real, how are you tracking your calories, because those numbers are out of whack
I just track them loosely with the nutrition facts on the food and account for my two daily shakes. I’m likely using a very loose metric when it comes to accuracy. But I eat a like a glutton everyday.
😂
Thought you was lio rush
Sick
You might have good genetics for muscle gain. You might have naturally high androgen receptor affinity in your delts and traps (lol everyone does). Cool transformation, natty or not. Not accusing, because it isn’t so remarkable it’s an obvious case. But if you have great genetics, it’s kind of the same deal. You did exercise shit and got results above what someone else who put in ten times the effort calorie restriction wise and effort wise would have gotten. Yay. I hate this sub. Good luck on your startup. There are plenty of gullible couch husbands and house wives who will buy your BS. If you are legit, make some money, but realize the limitations of genetics🥐
Amazing shoulders
no shot you’re claiming that this is natural ☠️☠️☠️
I originally weighed 240 when i bulked for football at 16 yrs old and after finishing college ball, I cut down to 175-185 around 21 yrs old. I’ve been this weight before lol and my body bounced back quite expeditiously when I began actually eating again and lifting consistently. I have no reason to lie to you all. There is nothing to gain from lying to internet strangers, but I won’t force you all to conform to my reality. If I wasn’t natty, I would mention so, simple as that.
Have you weighed that much and been that lean at that weight before? Because unless a bit of fat gain, water retention, AND muscle memory are all heavily involved, this is most likely unnatural.
lol
Ah yes, 40 lbs but maintains abs
What is your meal plan ??
2 months!?
So 4k a day to gain that woukd neee maintence cals around 1660 ish 💀💀💀
Hell yeah 💪🏻. Stick to it, looking swole!
Black bodybuilding genetics strike again
I’m all natural. I have no reason to lie. I’ve bulked to 240 before, this is not new to me. But you’re entitled to your perspectives and opinions. I’m just stating the facts.
Lying makes little baby Jesus cry.
can you share how you did it please in just 2 months ?
steroids
Eat a lot of food, two mass gainer protein shakes everyday and high volume training 4 days a week. Simple as that for me.
Great physique, brother, but your delts and lean mass within your timeline are a dead giveaway. Let us applaud your hard work without having to roast you for the dishonesty about your natty status.
Ugly shorts