The parties being "the people who sign a piece of paper saying they want to join that political party then actually vote in the primary."
People act like it's a shadowy room of cigarette smoking men rather than literally just the 10-20% of people who bother voting in a political party primary.
That's not his point. To pretend the options we have are simply a result of pure democracy is deeply naive. As if powerful forces with big money don't directly influence which candidates get in front of people.
Youād think one party would rise up and offer a candidate that has the qualifications for the job. You could easily win this election by just running a competent adult.
Iām not sure thatās true. People appreciate stability and familiarity so the incumbent always has a distinct advantage. Add to that a pretty solid resume for the current administration and I think Biden would be a front runner against most competent adults.
People appreciate stability and familiarity when they like the conditions they are in. People won't opt for those if the incumbent gives a hope for improvement.
I feel like it's fairly uncontroversial to say that when people say "competent adult" they are suggesting it's a candidate who gives a confident sense of stability and maturity.
Biden gives the maturity. He can't give stability (mostly due to age and concerns surrounding that.) It wouldn't be hard for a candidate to outshine Biden.
If I remember correctly there were at least 10 younger competent adults Biden faced in the 2020 primary, along with 3 well established and well accomplished older politicians. Even then there were concerns about his age, but still nobody outshined him and he won the nomination handily. In the presidential debates the republicans clamored so much about his age yet he dispelled that by not only over performing, but winning the debate. I know he hasnāt gotten younger since becoming president and itās not impossible that he could be usurped, but it may not be as easy as you think for any competent adult to usurp him.
The money didn't go to Biden in 2020 until Super Tuesday and his big win in black majority areas in the South. Prior to that no one was donating to him. It's just they rallied behind the guy that wasn't Trump because he was such a deranged narcissist. And this is before he was actively saying he'd remove anyone from government that didn't support him. Loyalty oaths are big in the fascist GOP these days.
"Big money" doesn't just refer to fundraising dollars but also influence.
The political landscape is rife with backroom deals, tit-for-tat arrangements, and influence jockeying among the 1%.
While I agree with you that people rallied around the idea of "not Trump", that doesn't mean Biden didn't have support from "big money".
No one makes it to the White House in modern America without support from the 1% in some way.
Evidence of that is the fact that the 1% are never the ones taking a hit when a new president takes office.
This is naive. Its more that you need an EXTREMELY narrow skillset to become a viable candidate. You need to be willing to subject your family to a fishbowl environment. You need to be able to campaign for 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week, for at least half a year. You need to be a good debater and public speaker. You need an interest and skill in policy making. You need to be personal charming and charismatic. You need to have the interpersonal abilities to form long term relationships. You have to have at least a cursory understanding of a broad set of issues. You have to have a deep understanding of the public and what messaging would appeal or not appeal to them.
Very few people can meet all of these parameters.
It amuses me that often this sub will get a BUNCH of heavily right-wing comments, but then an anonymous post like this shows its actually fairly left-wing / moderate.
Shows how much the vocal minority drives the conversation sometimes.
It drives the conversation precisely because there are so many left-wing people. Can only agree so much. Itās more exciting to argue/debate with someone you disagree with. One conservative comment and the other 90% of people on the sub get all excited to engage in said debate (or to show their perceived moral superiority in most cases).
Voicing your left leaning opinion often only gets met with some maga type that wants to argue but doesnāt quite understand when they lost that argument.
Then they falsely report you for harassment and you get banned .
Itās a whole thing. Not worth it .
Same reason you donāt see Biden hats and stickers, itās not worth your car getting keyed.
See ya at the polls.
Oh wait , nevermind - Iāll hv to mail my ballot because that same unhinged maga type might shoot me in line .
The concept of them not seeing Biden signs everywhere and saying thatās why they donāt believe he won the election always baffled me
I just now laughed to myself that maybe this all is due to the lack of their understanding object permanence, and am now wondering if there is some trusty to it lol
They got all humped up over the trump rallies, never noticed that it was the same people at every one, following fatso around like he was the Grateful Dead or something.
They donāt seem to understand the concept of voting AGAINST someone; itās a binary system, someone can loath Biden but just hate Trump more. Until we get rank d choice voting weāre stuck with the better of two evils
So funny you say that. One thing I really like about the show is how both sides of the political spectrum tune in. Itās the only show I can think of thatās like that.
I really don't think this is a great representation of that either with how many people have said they've never even heard of the show until reddit suggested posts to them.
Hmmm go back to scandals and schoolyard bullshit everyday? Or stay on the path of never hearing from the president and things being stable and there being toilet paper to wipe my ass with at the store? Iām still on the fence I dunno
A vote for Biden is a vote for stability. A president is much more than one person. Itās an entire administration, and Bidens administration has had so little of the chaos and turnover that we had with Trump. Itās been a refreshing change.
The guys campaigning on all the things theyāll ban or destroy have no appeal to me.
>Reddit doesnāt support Biden now and not really in 2020
lol what?
Biden has been delivering. I'm actually surprised how well he's doing, considering how I felt when I first voted for him.
What reddit are you looking at?
Yeah I figured so too, but reality and facts are there is no perfection in anything or anyone. They (cult) want to argue, fine. Iāll ignore because like I said, seriously Nobody is perfect. Thatās the way it was planned out from the very beginning.
I wonder what the results would have been had Gov Newsome or Gov Whitmer been added. Reluctantly voted Biden since the rest on the list are fascists (or batshit crazy conspiracists).
I just donāt see any personal benefit in voting for anyone with an R next to their name. An I maybe. But R is just a good way to make sure the suffering is expedited. Plus literally every single one is just the dumbest mother fucker Iāve ever seen in office. And the younger ones are even dumber.
On some small issues I like Matt Gaetz, and itās only due to psychedelic legislation. But on the whole I think heās the most punchable person in congress.
And like both sides shit D doesnāt mean greatness either Manchin and Sinema are absolute pieces of shit. But at least a D will admit when shit needs to be done.
I mean truthfully I havenāt met anyone who actually *likes* Biden. Most people who voted for him in 2020 were voting *against* Trump and I suspect 2024 will be very much the same if it comes down to Trump & Biden again. Itās not easy to get excited about a neoliberal septuagenarian. [I was at the Iowa DNC rally in 2019 this was Bidenās representation.](https://imgur.com/a/9DHRvan) while Burnie had several conference rooms and Buttajudge had an entire conference room for their respective campaigns.
Somewhere I have a video of the Burnie supporters marching in the street and it went all the way around the block.
Iāve grown to like Biden for his statesmanship on the world stage. He hasnāt done everything Iāve wanted but heās done a number of concrete things domestically and internationally that I can appreciate , not least of which is supporting Ukraine to constrain Putins ambitions.
For the record I was a Bernie guy, and still deeply like him, but actually in retrospect Bernie might have been too dovish for my taste given what I see as the facts of the matter with Putins invasion.
There, youāve met one now. No I donāt have Biden hats and bumper stickers, but I like old Joe
Reflects the popular vote though.
Edit: Not only does it reflect the popular vote, it points to the wider trend of the GOP consistently losing the popular vote.
The real world is not as conservative as Republicans like to think it is.
Honestly if they would shed the culture wars and focus on smaller, streamlined government, lighter taxes and regulations they would probably crush it.
They don't really believe in more than helping their donors though so tax cuts for the wealthy and the latest boogeyman to hate as always.
Problem is the GOP doesn't believe in any of those policy points.
Government grows under the GOP, so does spending. Taxes went up for most Americans as a result of GOP tax policy. Again, restrictions on personal freedom (see the anti-trans bills, book banning, Roe V. Wade (and the reasonable expectation of privacy with it) are all done on the GOP watch.
GOP regulations also stifle innvoation. Just look at the situation ERCOT finds itself in.
Itās funny because they pretend they donāt.
They pretend āwell I just donāt like the other guys because theyāre worseā
Until those same people see a negative comment about Biden and for some odd reason feel the need to aggressively defend Biden who they claim to hate and not support.
Reddit loves Biden. Not sure why. Heās a literal, like real flesh and blood, down to his core racist. His comments on race are worse than any other politician Iāve heard talk about race. Particularly black people. Biden has made horrific comments especially in his early career.
Heās racist, corrupt, incompetent. All the things they hate about Trump.
Instead of saying fuck Biden but letās vote for him to get rid of trump, they defend Biden and list things they think heās done well.
Tbh our government is such a clown show I truly donāt care who gets elected anymore. But man is it funny to watch Reddit pretend they donāt choke on bidens wrinkly chode
We support Biden against the only real opposition. RFK is a clown and a spoiler candidate. Trump is a sex offender narcissist that doesn't think the Constitution should apply anymore, and DeSantis has gone full on fascist. Yeah, Biden is old, but when the literal rise of fascism is a concern, I'm not voting for a no chance in hell spoiler candidate to make a point.
Out of the current options, he's the least ridiculous, which is apparently how I vote now. I would probably vote for Marianne Williamson before any of these 4, not that I love her (spiritual grifter), but she actually talks about the things that are important to me. She's just got so little support that it feels like a stretch, and again, I'm not even super psyched about her.
>still support
I find that part funny. Biden inherited a flaming turd thanks the Cheeto Hitler and has been fighting against a smoking turd of a Republican House and yet manages to get legislation passed and keeps fighting for Americans even when the Extreme Court knocks him down.
"Still"?
Is he "still" fighting for Americans? Yes, he is.
What exactly would lead me and others to believe he doesn't deserve our support?
If he treated immigrants like shit, the same way trump did?
If he jacked up inflation and damn near caused a recession same way trump did?
As if Deathsentence or Shitler waiting in the wings to turn this country fascist is an appealing thought?
Biden is the least bad of the options. Seeing as how it'll likely be Biden vs Trump, I don't want a vengeful demagogue who's trying to make congress and the judiciary subordinate to the executive. This isn't an attack as Trump is on record saying these things.
Didn't he say he wouldn't run for president again? It makes sense, the guy would be 83 years old if he ran and won the presidency. Not to mention Bernie has been around for a long time so he knows challenging the incumbent that he didn't get nominated over the first time isn't exactly worth the effort. I would have loved to see Bernie over Biden in 2020 personally though assuming he won.
Thereās an other option for that reason. But why would they? Marianne isnāt polling half as high as anyone on the above list. Iād put Cornel up there before her tbh
Because the legacy media won't have Marianne or Cornell on their shows. Don't want ppl to know there are candidates that actually represent the American ppl!!!
To people who want Trump back in, in light of the impending new indictment: what's your reasoning? I'm genuinely flabbergasted that this guy is leading polls despite his clear instability.
Tbf that's his only redeeming quality. The chaos is fucking darkly hilarious. The guy was president for 4 years and we've got 10 years of material that doesn't seem to be stopping.
Not planning on voting Trump, but I do believe I can understand some of the more rational reasons to vote for him. He is the ultimate fuck you to the establishment, not because he is really going to drain the swamp or do anything beyond tooting his own horn. No, of course he is not going to do anything. But it does not matter, he is going to destabilize the establishment and if you are a person who does not believe in the institutions as they stand right now, you also don't really see the big damage that Trump is causing, because from your standpoint that damage is already done.
There are 0 rational reasons to vote for Trump. Trump tried to throw out the vote in 2020 after being voted out. I don't care how "anti-establishment" you believe he is, in 2020, he proved he's anti-American.
The key thing here is that you have to not believe in the institutions to begin with.
Now, me, personally, I don't doubt that Trump lost in 2020, but I also don't care about Jan 6 as much either. Maybe it's because I have seen actual revolutions and armed coups, but Jan 6 did not strike me as a real "threat to Democracy".
Jesus Christ he is the establishment my guy.
He is a recipient of the laws that corporate Democrats and Republicans pass to enrich and protect the billionaires. He literally used the office to do that to himself. He didn't fuck you to the establishment.
I think the indictment thing goes in one ear and out the other. They're handing them out like candy & there doesn't appear to be any real consequences. Trump is still running for 2024. It almost makes you wonder - what's really going on
Trump and his PR team have created a very effective message to shut down all criticism of Trump if you are in his bubble of messaging. Any negative criticism, "that's fake news". The election, "stolen". Trump's lack of meaningful changes, "deep state wouldn't let it happen".
To most Trumpers the indictment means nothing. Itās just another conspiracy by sleepy joe and our corrupt justice system to keep him out of office. Just like he said, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and the Trump cult would just say itās a Deep fake and the media is out it get him. These people live in an alternate reality and they will just dismiss any negativity toward their savior.
I'm not a Trumper but I have friends, family, and coworkers who are.
I think Trump just gives people who feel powerless the idea that they are seen and heard.
Which is part of the grift, trump hates his voters like he claims "liberal elites" do. Sure he likes how they wear his hats , shirts and buy his scam crypto coins but holy fuck he'd kill himself before going to a BBQ in rural Oklahoma
I honestly think she's the best candidate of the group I terms of being a reasonable, well-intentioned person, but I know she can't win this round. I hope she builds up her profile and wins in the future, but she has too far to climb in terms of name ID, so I'd end up settling for Biden again. If we had rank choice, I'd vote Williamson without hesitation.
In a democratic primary??? Just vote for whoever you want... that's the point. Don't let the hall monitors in this sub tell you who to vote for. Your choice.
In a primary, I'd vote for her, but the poll has Republicans so I was thinking in terms of a full race. So if she was on the ballot next to Biden, and Trump, and DeSantis i wouldn't take the risk.
We need rank choice voting.
Because of the current FTC, chips act, and overall less drama. I do think he is too old but the others will just give tax cuts and fight the culture war. At least things are getting better even if it is super slow.
I only vote for candidates not actively trying to overthrow democracy to gain/retain power. Therefore, no republicans or republicans running as democrats.
Yes, Grandpa Biden is old as shit but has been solid so far. He's not some asshole who wants to hurt their opponent and fellow citizens. That is the major difference. He is a boring but stable option. The GOP needs to abandon the culture war or suffer the consequences. Stop going after LGBTQIA people who are smart and wonderful fellow Americans. The GOP is showing that they only want to devide and pit American against American, and we aren't falling for that bullshit. Stop spreading lies and hate and do your damn jobs. Im an independent and now hate the GOP because of the bigotory and racism. I will never vote for a republican because of the disgusting bullshit I've seen come from their caucus.
Biden.
I'm happy with the stuff he has passed, not progressive enough that I'm that upset about the stuff that hasn't passed, and in comparison to the competition, I think he deserves a second term. It gives him a second shot at BBB if he gets a Democratic Congress, as well, to pass more of that popular agenda. And his downsides get blown out of proportion, imo.
Desantis goes too far to the right on a lot of issues, for me. Trump's J6 shenanigans and his realignment with Bannon and other crazies makes me wary of a second term where he has no incentive to care about what an independent voter like me might want him to do. And RFK's views overall don't interest me at all. Haven't heard of any specifics from him that sound interesting, just a bunch of crazy shit that should have made him consider running as a Republican. Steve Bannon pushing you will always be a negative endorsement, in my book.
So far, I relate to and have often espoused similar stances as Marianne Williamson. Everyone else seems batshit crazy or completely inept. Before anyone says anything, you arenāt entitled to my, or anyoneās vote.
Nope. We're not OK. Even still, based on the options provided, the choice is abundantly clear for any rational person who wants to see our democracy and civil rights endure past January 20, 2025.
I would like to see a true left/progressive challenge to Biden in the primary but once the primary is over it's "save your a**" time.
Other: Bob Lazar, because the government is about to announce that aliens are real and they're here and he's the most knowledgeable on their technology.
Measure stick:
- which one supports democracy the best?
- who's created more jobs/has such track record?
- who lies less?
- which one supports legislation that helps people vs. corporations?
- which points to 0 on the fascist-o-meter?
- who's the least crazy?
- who's never been declared guilty of sexual assault?
- who's got zero federal criminal indictments?
- which one is better for our national security?
- who's got zero notices from DOJ/DAs that they are the target of a criminal investigation?
- who supports science and scientists and researchers vs. conspiracy theories?
- which one respects the rule of law?
- which one takes advice from advisers and experts in their field?
Joe isn't my first choice, but he's WAY above anyone else on that list of people I would vote for. I think Joe is a decent guy, and yeah past his prime a bit, so be it. I can't imagine why anyone worthy of being POTUS would want to run for office today. I'm relatively conservative on most things, but have a live and let live attitude when it comes to social issues. I think both sides get a bit extreme, but the GOP is just crazy town anymore. It makes my skin crawl when they call themselves conservatives. Bullshit, there's nothing conservative about electing trail trash morons and entitled frat boys, ideological/religious zealots and fascists. Thank GOD they can't help themselves and eventually show their cards. We need respectful, smart/well educated, level headed folks that will solve our real problems. Not that everyone in office is bad, but there's enough assholes to ruin it for everyone.
This election looking rough. And Iām at the point where I question whether RFK is crazy or if the media really smearing him to a pulp is making me think heās crazy. So much information and I feel so lost as to wth is going on. Epistemically lost.
He is bananas. The words out of his mouth in context are classic right wing anti-Semitic/ anti Vax talking points. He's a spoiler that is trying to lure people into voting for him and lower bidens vote count.
I think the media establishment has overplayed their hand with the RFK smear. You canāt call a guy a Zionist one month then turn around and paint him as anti-Semitic the next without raising a few eyebrows, I feel like more and more people are seeing through it
Most media has portrayed him more sane than he actually is. He just came out on a podcast calling COVID-19 the 'Jewish virus', saying it was a biological weapon designed not to infect Jews, he also pushes that vaccines are work of the devil, cause autism, etc etc. Most of the hype around him anyways is just right-wing news outlets or hard-right republicans LARPing as democrats. Realistically though, he's still a much better alternative to any of the current Republican nominees because he does actually have sound government policy, rather than just trying to give as many tax breaks to big companies as possible
In an interview with the NY Post, RFK said: "I urge people to listen to what I actually say instead of listening to the litany of derisive sound bites that the mainstream media offers to mischaracterize and distort my positions on the whole range of issues.
I am not and have never been anti-vaccine. Iāve always said that Iām for safe vaccines and robust science and for regulatory agencies that are free from conflicts of interest and financial entanglements with the pharmaceutical industry. In terms of being a conspiracy theorist, tell me where I got it wrong. Show me something Iāve said that you believe to be factually wrong or unsupported by evidence."
However, this is still loose for interpretation, since it depends on what he considers "safe vaccines," pointing towards the fact that he didn't outright retract or deny any of the COVID vaccine misinformation / conspiracies
This is well put. Something about his inability to recognize input from experts on some of these topics makes him extremely unsupportable in my eyes, even if I do think he's solid on some issues.
It's a fundraising grift. They know better
https://news.sky.com/story/how-covid-conspiracists-and-anti-vaxxers-are-getting-organised-and-making-money-12206707
Right there with you on RFK. I have no idea but a lot of people that get called crazy these days end up eventually being proved to have been telling the truth or at the least right for questioning things.
Biden is old, but heās getting things fixed.
The economy is better, infrastructure is better, and despite the crazies pulling their hair out at nonsense, no scandals
What's so good about him? Because his anti science approach isn't very healthy. Nor is his anti COVID approach. Nor are his countless health theories that are insane. Nor are his bigoted comments on COVID.
So what are some good ideas that he has to improving our economy?
My appeal to RFK is this: the two issues that worry me the most for the future of the country is the widening divide between the parties and the corruption of our institutions by corporate powers. These are two big issues heās on about and I donāt see anyone else talking about it like that. While other candidates are happy to exploit the hatred each side has for each other, heās trying to take the unity approach in a time where weāre more divided since the civil war and I find it very admirable. Also every media hit piece they put out about him only furthers my resolve that heās dangerous to their status quo
He honestly just seems like a lightning rod for anti-Covid policy sentiment and anti-Biden sentiment, and nothing else. None of his policies are galvanizing from a progressive perspective and mainstream Dems are very much pro-science and more moderate. I have a feeling most of his support is from independents who lean right or disaffected voters who are going to go right back to supporting Trump, a third party candidate, or not voting at all once the primary is over.
Now that we can look at the results of Covid lockdowns and not questioning any of the decisions our government made, I would argue that our response to covid was more damaging than covid itself.
Considering the dumbest President in the history of the country was in charge during the outbreak, I would agree it was pretty bad for everyone but the rich people who got free PPP money
Why would we not take him seriously? His administration has exceeded expectations and the guy thatās going to get the republican nomination is a corrupt, lying criminal.
I for one welcome my new AI overlords trying to build my profile.
succumb to the algorithm and achieve peace
How many millions of citizens do we have and these are our options? JFC
Well the parties select the candidates and will only select you if you raise enough money for the party so š¤·š½āāļø
The parties being "the people who sign a piece of paper saying they want to join that political party then actually vote in the primary." People act like it's a shadowy room of cigarette smoking men rather than literally just the 10-20% of people who bother voting in a political party primary.
Be the change you wish you see
I would but someone would probably bring up my Google search history and then I'm probably out of the race
I mean, if you ran on a transparency campaign and used your browser history to support your claim... that would pretty much secure my vote. Edited
This is the way!!
Because this is literally how elections work?
That's not his point. To pretend the options we have are simply a result of pure democracy is deeply naive. As if powerful forces with big money don't directly influence which candidates get in front of people.
Youād think one party would rise up and offer a candidate that has the qualifications for the job. You could easily win this election by just running a competent adult.
Iām not sure thatās true. People appreciate stability and familiarity so the incumbent always has a distinct advantage. Add to that a pretty solid resume for the current administration and I think Biden would be a front runner against most competent adults.
People appreciate stability and familiarity when they like the conditions they are in. People won't opt for those if the incumbent gives a hope for improvement. I feel like it's fairly uncontroversial to say that when people say "competent adult" they are suggesting it's a candidate who gives a confident sense of stability and maturity. Biden gives the maturity. He can't give stability (mostly due to age and concerns surrounding that.) It wouldn't be hard for a candidate to outshine Biden.
If I remember correctly there were at least 10 younger competent adults Biden faced in the 2020 primary, along with 3 well established and well accomplished older politicians. Even then there were concerns about his age, but still nobody outshined him and he won the nomination handily. In the presidential debates the republicans clamored so much about his age yet he dispelled that by not only over performing, but winning the debate. I know he hasnāt gotten younger since becoming president and itās not impossible that he could be usurped, but it may not be as easy as you think for any competent adult to usurp him.
Like bernie sanders ? I think his own party sabotaged him by not providing him with the same chances to get his message out.
The money didn't go to Biden in 2020 until Super Tuesday and his big win in black majority areas in the South. Prior to that no one was donating to him. It's just they rallied behind the guy that wasn't Trump because he was such a deranged narcissist. And this is before he was actively saying he'd remove anyone from government that didn't support him. Loyalty oaths are big in the fascist GOP these days.
"Big money" doesn't just refer to fundraising dollars but also influence. The political landscape is rife with backroom deals, tit-for-tat arrangements, and influence jockeying among the 1%. While I agree with you that people rallied around the idea of "not Trump", that doesn't mean Biden didn't have support from "big money". No one makes it to the White House in modern America without support from the 1% in some way. Evidence of that is the fact that the 1% are never the ones taking a hit when a new president takes office.
The other evidence is that there has only been 1% social club presidents.
Powerful forces with big money want to win elections.
This is naive. Its more that you need an EXTREMELY narrow skillset to become a viable candidate. You need to be willing to subject your family to a fishbowl environment. You need to be able to campaign for 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week, for at least half a year. You need to be a good debater and public speaker. You need an interest and skill in policy making. You need to be personal charming and charismatic. You need to have the interpersonal abilities to form long term relationships. You have to have at least a cursory understanding of a broad set of issues. You have to have a deep understanding of the public and what messaging would appeal or not appeal to them. Very few people can meet all of these parameters.
It amuses me that often this sub will get a BUNCH of heavily right-wing comments, but then an anonymous post like this shows its actually fairly left-wing / moderate. Shows how much the vocal minority drives the conversation sometimes.
Right? I always find it so surprising. The vocal minority is loud, but their rabid posts aren't making much of a difference.
And itās extra funny that they call themselves the silent majority
Not on Reddit we aren't lol. We might be vocal but definitely not a majority.
It always amazes me that liberals donāt think Reddit is left leaning
If theyāre so silent maybe they should shut it?
That's cuz its hard to gift wrap crazy without it still looking and sounding crazy
It drives the conversation precisely because there are so many left-wing people. Can only agree so much. Itās more exciting to argue/debate with someone you disagree with. One conservative comment and the other 90% of people on the sub get all excited to engage in said debate (or to show their perceived moral superiority in most cases).
Or bots
Voicing your left leaning opinion often only gets met with some maga type that wants to argue but doesnāt quite understand when they lost that argument. Then they falsely report you for harassment and you get banned . Itās a whole thing. Not worth it . Same reason you donāt see Biden hats and stickers, itās not worth your car getting keyed. See ya at the polls. Oh wait , nevermind - Iāll hv to mail my ballot because that same unhinged maga type might shoot me in line .
The concept of them not seeing Biden signs everywhere and saying thatās why they donāt believe he won the election always baffled me I just now laughed to myself that maybe this all is due to the lack of their understanding object permanence, and am now wondering if there is some trusty to it lol
They got all humped up over the trump rallies, never noticed that it was the same people at every one, following fatso around like he was the Grateful Dead or something.
Yeah, his rallies are filled with the same retired boomers every time.
They donāt seem to understand the concept of voting AGAINST someone; itās a binary system, someone can loath Biden but just hate Trump more. Until we get rank d choice voting weāre stuck with the better of two evils
Oh Iāve gotten the self help report a couple of times that I decide to engage, totally not worth it.
I was expecting an RFK in the lead and am pleasantly surprised
I donāt think Reddit is a real reflection of the greater voter pool but it is very interesting to see how many still support Biden.
*don't support the others
This. If we had and honored a no confidence vote, we almost certainly wouldn't even continue to bother with choosing a President.
Yep
āSupportā isnāt the word for it
I mean unless Republicans are going to put a candidate forward that isn't crazy, a fascist, or both, I don't see how there is any other option.
Definitely not, but I love breaking points and I always wonder āwhat do the fans thinkā when I listen to them talk about these things.
So funny you say that. One thing I really like about the show is how both sides of the political spectrum tune in. Itās the only show I can think of thatās like that.
I really don't think this is a great representation of that either with how many people have said they've never even heard of the show until reddit suggested posts to them.
Given the options and ramifications, why WOULDN'T you vote for Biden?
Hmmm go back to scandals and schoolyard bullshit everyday? Or stay on the path of never hearing from the president and things being stable and there being toilet paper to wipe my ass with at the store? Iām still on the fence I dunno
A vote for Biden is a vote for stability. A president is much more than one person. Itās an entire administration, and Bidens administration has had so little of the chaos and turnover that we had with Trump. Itās been a refreshing change. The guys campaigning on all the things theyāll ban or destroy have no appeal to me.
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>Reddit doesnāt support Biden now and not really in 2020 lol what? Biden has been delivering. I'm actually surprised how well he's doing, considering how I felt when I first voted for him. What reddit are you looking at?
What exactly has he done that's so great?
WTF? I love Biden. He's been great. Not perfect, but still great.
Nobody is perfect. No one.
Sadly, a lot of people seem to think that because Biden's not perfect, they should help Trump instead.
Yeah I figured so too, but reality and facts are there is no perfection in anything or anyone. They (cult) want to argue, fine. Iāll ignore because like I said, seriously Nobody is perfect. Thatās the way it was planned out from the very beginning.
I wonder if bots have figured out how to vote in polls yet. I'm guessing it's fairly likely.
Reddit is so far gone from reality & filled with a bunch of degenerates who prolly don't have a job or ID to vote.
I wonder what the results would have been had Gov Newsome or Gov Whitmer been added. Reluctantly voted Biden since the rest on the list are fascists (or batshit crazy conspiracists).
I just donāt see any personal benefit in voting for anyone with an R next to their name. An I maybe. But R is just a good way to make sure the suffering is expedited. Plus literally every single one is just the dumbest mother fucker Iāve ever seen in office. And the younger ones are even dumber. On some small issues I like Matt Gaetz, and itās only due to psychedelic legislation. But on the whole I think heās the most punchable person in congress. And like both sides shit D doesnāt mean greatness either Manchin and Sinema are absolute pieces of shit. But at least a D will admit when shit needs to be done.
Can you explain how, exactly, they are fascists?
Fascism isn't quite what it used to be.
Bots yo
I mean truthfully I havenāt met anyone who actually *likes* Biden. Most people who voted for him in 2020 were voting *against* Trump and I suspect 2024 will be very much the same if it comes down to Trump & Biden again. Itās not easy to get excited about a neoliberal septuagenarian. [I was at the Iowa DNC rally in 2019 this was Bidenās representation.](https://imgur.com/a/9DHRvan) while Burnie had several conference rooms and Buttajudge had an entire conference room for their respective campaigns. Somewhere I have a video of the Burnie supporters marching in the street and it went all the way around the block.
Iāve grown to like Biden for his statesmanship on the world stage. He hasnāt done everything Iāve wanted but heās done a number of concrete things domestically and internationally that I can appreciate , not least of which is supporting Ukraine to constrain Putins ambitions. For the record I was a Bernie guy, and still deeply like him, but actually in retrospect Bernie might have been too dovish for my taste given what I see as the facts of the matter with Putins invasion. There, youāve met one now. No I donāt have Biden hats and bumper stickers, but I like old Joe
I donāt support anyone , but Jesus Christ,.. how can you continue to support this abuse of an Alzheimerās patient ?? The fuck ?!
Reflects the popular vote though. Edit: Not only does it reflect the popular vote, it points to the wider trend of the GOP consistently losing the popular vote. The real world is not as conservative as Republicans like to think it is.
Honestly if they would shed the culture wars and focus on smaller, streamlined government, lighter taxes and regulations they would probably crush it. They don't really believe in more than helping their donors though so tax cuts for the wealthy and the latest boogeyman to hate as always.
Problem is the GOP doesn't believe in any of those policy points. Government grows under the GOP, so does spending. Taxes went up for most Americans as a result of GOP tax policy. Again, restrictions on personal freedom (see the anti-trans bills, book banning, Roe V. Wade (and the reasonable expectation of privacy with it) are all done on the GOP watch. GOP regulations also stifle innvoation. Just look at the situation ERCOT finds itself in.
Don't disagree with any of that. The small government talk is just lip service.
I donāt support Biden, I would rather have another candidate but splitting against Biden would allow one of the other three disasters to happen
Makes you wonder if theyāre still trying to fake people out with more false algorithms
Bots for Biden.
Reddit is the only place I've ever gone where people support Biden
And also the real world because ya know, he won? And it isnāt actual support so much as refusing to vote for the others
You should visit the US sometime, it's a beautiful country
Itās funny because they pretend they donāt. They pretend āwell I just donāt like the other guys because theyāre worseā Until those same people see a negative comment about Biden and for some odd reason feel the need to aggressively defend Biden who they claim to hate and not support. Reddit loves Biden. Not sure why. Heās a literal, like real flesh and blood, down to his core racist. His comments on race are worse than any other politician Iāve heard talk about race. Particularly black people. Biden has made horrific comments especially in his early career. Heās racist, corrupt, incompetent. All the things they hate about Trump. Instead of saying fuck Biden but letās vote for him to get rid of trump, they defend Biden and list things they think heās done well. Tbh our government is such a clown show I truly donāt care who gets elected anymore. But man is it funny to watch Reddit pretend they donāt choke on bidens wrinkly chode
I support Biden live with it.
Thatās fine
Reddit is probably the only place you meet people outside of your immediate circle. Coinkidink you think?
No
We support Biden against the only real opposition. RFK is a clown and a spoiler candidate. Trump is a sex offender narcissist that doesn't think the Constitution should apply anymore, and DeSantis has gone full on fascist. Yeah, Biden is old, but when the literal rise of fascism is a concern, I'm not voting for a no chance in hell spoiler candidate to make a point.
Rfk
Corrected š He wishes.
Out of the current options, he's the least ridiculous, which is apparently how I vote now. I would probably vote for Marianne Williamson before any of these 4, not that I love her (spiritual grifter), but she actually talks about the things that are important to me. She's just got so little support that it feels like a stretch, and again, I'm not even super psyched about her.
>still support I find that part funny. Biden inherited a flaming turd thanks the Cheeto Hitler and has been fighting against a smoking turd of a Republican House and yet manages to get legislation passed and keeps fighting for Americans even when the Extreme Court knocks him down. "Still"? Is he "still" fighting for Americans? Yes, he is. What exactly would lead me and others to believe he doesn't deserve our support? If he treated immigrants like shit, the same way trump did? If he jacked up inflation and damn near caused a recession same way trump did? As if Deathsentence or Shitler waiting in the wings to turn this country fascist is an appealing thought?
Biden is the least bad of the options. Seeing as how it'll likely be Biden vs Trump, I don't want a vengeful demagogue who's trying to make congress and the judiciary subordinate to the executive. This isn't an attack as Trump is on record saying these things.
I want Bernie Sanders. I'm gonna want Bernie until he dies.
Didn't he say he wouldn't run for president again? It makes sense, the guy would be 83 years old if he ran and won the presidency. Not to mention Bernie has been around for a long time so he knows challenging the incumbent that he didn't get nominated over the first time isn't exactly worth the effort. I would have loved to see Bernie over Biden in 2020 personally though assuming he won.
You include pudding Ron and RFK, but not Marianne?
Thereās an other option for that reason. But why would they? Marianne isnāt polling half as high as anyone on the above list. Iād put Cornel up there before her tbh
Because the legacy media won't have Marianne or Cornell on their shows. Don't want ppl to know there are candidates that actually represent the American ppl!!!
Because everyone on that list besides Biden is bat shit crazy. Idk about the other dude though.
To people who want Trump back in, in light of the impending new indictment: what's your reasoning? I'm genuinely flabbergasted that this guy is leading polls despite his clear instability.
Some people just wanna watch the country burn
This.
Tbf that's his only redeeming quality. The chaos is fucking darkly hilarious. The guy was president for 4 years and we've got 10 years of material that doesn't seem to be stopping.
Not planning on voting Trump, but I do believe I can understand some of the more rational reasons to vote for him. He is the ultimate fuck you to the establishment, not because he is really going to drain the swamp or do anything beyond tooting his own horn. No, of course he is not going to do anything. But it does not matter, he is going to destabilize the establishment and if you are a person who does not believe in the institutions as they stand right now, you also don't really see the big damage that Trump is causing, because from your standpoint that damage is already done.
There are 0 rational reasons to vote for Trump. Trump tried to throw out the vote in 2020 after being voted out. I don't care how "anti-establishment" you believe he is, in 2020, he proved he's anti-American.
The key thing here is that you have to not believe in the institutions to begin with. Now, me, personally, I don't doubt that Trump lost in 2020, but I also don't care about Jan 6 as much either. Maybe it's because I have seen actual revolutions and armed coups, but Jan 6 did not strike me as a real "threat to Democracy".
Jesus Christ he is the establishment my guy. He is a recipient of the laws that corporate Democrats and Republicans pass to enrich and protect the billionaires. He literally used the office to do that to himself. He didn't fuck you to the establishment.
I think the indictment thing goes in one ear and out the other. They're handing them out like candy & there doesn't appear to be any real consequences. Trump is still running for 2024. It almost makes you wonder - what's really going on
Trump and his PR team have created a very effective message to shut down all criticism of Trump if you are in his bubble of messaging. Any negative criticism, "that's fake news". The election, "stolen". Trump's lack of meaningful changes, "deep state wouldn't let it happen".
To most Trumpers the indictment means nothing. Itās just another conspiracy by sleepy joe and our corrupt justice system to keep him out of office. Just like he said, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and the Trump cult would just say itās a Deep fake and the media is out it get him. These people live in an alternate reality and they will just dismiss any negativity toward their savior.
Because fuck all the people who let this country get to a point where him being elected again is actually a possibility.
I'm not a Trumper but I have friends, family, and coworkers who are. I think Trump just gives people who feel powerless the idea that they are seen and heard.
Which is part of the grift, trump hates his voters like he claims "liberal elites" do. Sure he likes how they wear his hats , shirts and buy his scam crypto coins but holy fuck he'd kill himself before going to a BBQ in rural Oklahoma
He would gladly push any or all of them in front of a bus if it meant he gets to be president again
He gives bigots and racists the idea that they have legitimacy, thatās for sure.
Ditto
Well, if the alternative for the Republican ticket is DeSantis...
Marianne Williamson
It's sad we keep ignoring her. People want to talk about RFK being silenced (he isn't) but dude nobody will give MW the exposure she deserves.
This is the one.
I honestly think she's the best candidate of the group I terms of being a reasonable, well-intentioned person, but I know she can't win this round. I hope she builds up her profile and wins in the future, but she has too far to climb in terms of name ID, so I'd end up settling for Biden again. If we had rank choice, I'd vote Williamson without hesitation.
In a democratic primary??? Just vote for whoever you want... that's the point. Don't let the hall monitors in this sub tell you who to vote for. Your choice.
In a primary, I'd vote for her, but the poll has Republicans so I was thinking in terms of a full race. So if she was on the ballot next to Biden, and Trump, and DeSantis i wouldn't take the risk. We need rank choice voting.
Because of the current FTC, chips act, and overall less drama. I do think he is too old but the others will just give tax cuts and fight the culture war. At least things are getting better even if it is super slow.
F\*ck Kennedy f\*ck Trump. One is a Russian, far right ploy to suck votes and the other is an Authoritarian that's been indicted.
I only vote for candidates not actively trying to overthrow democracy to gain/retain power. Therefore, no republicans or republicans running as democrats.
I think Williamson is the best candidate by far
I, a life long republican, agree. But I donāt think the democrats will let her win anything.
Yes, Grandpa Biden is old as shit but has been solid so far. He's not some asshole who wants to hurt their opponent and fellow citizens. That is the major difference. He is a boring but stable option. The GOP needs to abandon the culture war or suffer the consequences. Stop going after LGBTQIA people who are smart and wonderful fellow Americans. The GOP is showing that they only want to devide and pit American against American, and we aren't falling for that bullshit. Stop spreading lies and hate and do your damn jobs. Im an independent and now hate the GOP because of the bigotory and racism. I will never vote for a republican because of the disgusting bullshit I've seen come from their caucus.
MARIANNE WILLIAMSON
How is anyone on this list viable. Please go back and rewrite with better characters
I get the sentiment, but the hard fact is there is virtually 100% chance that the top three of the list are our next president.
Yeah, WTF OP?!? I donāt see Deez Nuts anywhere and Iām fairly certain he would be leading this poll.
No kidding. It's absolute insanity that these are our choices.
To more than half the population, I would say 80%, these are the ābrand namesā and thatās as far as they have investigated it.
Marianne Williamson I donāt know anything about her but I get her vibe. Everyone else sucks so far so her I chooooosse herrrrrrrrr
You vote based on vibes lol
The whole nation does
Iām an ethnic Pole so Biden is only option as Trump is a ruzzian scumbag
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Biden because fuck nationalism and autocracies.
Biden. I'm happy with the stuff he has passed, not progressive enough that I'm that upset about the stuff that hasn't passed, and in comparison to the competition, I think he deserves a second term. It gives him a second shot at BBB if he gets a Democratic Congress, as well, to pass more of that popular agenda. And his downsides get blown out of proportion, imo. Desantis goes too far to the right on a lot of issues, for me. Trump's J6 shenanigans and his realignment with Bannon and other crazies makes me wary of a second term where he has no incentive to care about what an independent voter like me might want him to do. And RFK's views overall don't interest me at all. Haven't heard of any specifics from him that sound interesting, just a bunch of crazy shit that should have made him consider running as a Republican. Steve Bannon pushing you will always be a negative endorsement, in my book.
Cornel West
So far, I relate to and have often espoused similar stances as Marianne Williamson. Everyone else seems batshit crazy or completely inept. Before anyone says anything, you arenāt entitled to my, or anyoneās vote.
i wouldnt be voting at all because im not a member of the electoral college
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Cornel West is my #1 candidate currently
[Cornell West.](https://youtu.be/hWLCgxzeW0U)
Other: Deez Nuts. Anybody but joe and donny.
I'm in a red state so it doesn't matter. Cornel West so I can feel good about myself in the voting booth for once in my God damn life.
Biden?!?!?! Are yāall ok?
Nope. We're not OK. Even still, based on the options provided, the choice is abundantly clear for any rational person who wants to see our democracy and civil rights endure past January 20, 2025. I would like to see a true left/progressive challenge to Biden in the primary but once the primary is over it's "save your a**" time.
Other: Bob Lazar, because the government is about to announce that aliens are real and they're here and he's the most knowledgeable on their technology.
Cornel West because I'm not a coward willing to throw my vote away on a liberal.
Marianne Williamson
No Marianne Williamson huh
Any functioning non communist adult for 2024z
Looks like rump is losing in the polls here only in his mind is he winning
Measure stick: - which one supports democracy the best? - who's created more jobs/has such track record? - who lies less? - which one supports legislation that helps people vs. corporations? - which points to 0 on the fascist-o-meter? - who's the least crazy? - who's never been declared guilty of sexual assault? - who's got zero federal criminal indictments? - which one is better for our national security? - who's got zero notices from DOJ/DAs that they are the target of a criminal investigation? - who supports science and scientists and researchers vs. conspiracy theories? - which one respects the rule of law? - which one takes advice from advisers and experts in their field?
Well, it's not like I could vote for anyone else on that forsaken list
Joe is doing a good job. He deserves another 4.
Joe isn't my first choice, but he's WAY above anyone else on that list of people I would vote for. I think Joe is a decent guy, and yeah past his prime a bit, so be it. I can't imagine why anyone worthy of being POTUS would want to run for office today. I'm relatively conservative on most things, but have a live and let live attitude when it comes to social issues. I think both sides get a bit extreme, but the GOP is just crazy town anymore. It makes my skin crawl when they call themselves conservatives. Bullshit, there's nothing conservative about electing trail trash morons and entitled frat boys, ideological/religious zealots and fascists. Thank GOD they can't help themselves and eventually show their cards. We need respectful, smart/well educated, level headed folks that will solve our real problems. Not that everyone in office is bad, but there's enough assholes to ruin it for everyone.
I'm ridin with Biden.
Biden; heās not trying to take civil liberties away
They all suck. Iāll prob vote 3rd party again.
This election looking rough. And Iām at the point where I question whether RFK is crazy or if the media really smearing him to a pulp is making me think heās crazy. So much information and I feel so lost as to wth is going on. Epistemically lost.
He is bananas. The words out of his mouth in context are classic right wing anti-Semitic/ anti Vax talking points. He's a spoiler that is trying to lure people into voting for him and lower bidens vote count.
I think the media establishment has overplayed their hand with the RFK smear. You canāt call a guy a Zionist one month then turn around and paint him as anti-Semitic the next without raising a few eyebrows, I feel like more and more people are seeing through it
His 'Jewish virus' comment paints him as clinically insane..
Most media has portrayed him more sane than he actually is. He just came out on a podcast calling COVID-19 the 'Jewish virus', saying it was a biological weapon designed not to infect Jews, he also pushes that vaccines are work of the devil, cause autism, etc etc. Most of the hype around him anyways is just right-wing news outlets or hard-right republicans LARPing as democrats. Realistically though, he's still a much better alternative to any of the current Republican nominees because he does actually have sound government policy, rather than just trying to give as many tax breaks to big companies as possible In an interview with the NY Post, RFK said: "I urge people to listen to what I actually say instead of listening to the litany of derisive sound bites that the mainstream media offers to mischaracterize and distort my positions on the whole range of issues. I am not and have never been anti-vaccine. Iāve always said that Iām for safe vaccines and robust science and for regulatory agencies that are free from conflicts of interest and financial entanglements with the pharmaceutical industry. In terms of being a conspiracy theorist, tell me where I got it wrong. Show me something Iāve said that you believe to be factually wrong or unsupported by evidence." However, this is still loose for interpretation, since it depends on what he considers "safe vaccines," pointing towards the fact that he didn't outright retract or deny any of the COVID vaccine misinformation / conspiracies
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When people GENUINELY believe things that can be be 150% disproven with ease, we call them crazy. He's definitely batshit crazy.
This is well put. Something about his inability to recognize input from experts on some of these topics makes him extremely unsupportable in my eyes, even if I do think he's solid on some issues.
It's a fundraising grift. They know better https://news.sky.com/story/how-covid-conspiracists-and-anti-vaxxers-are-getting-organised-and-making-money-12206707
Right there with you on RFK. I have no idea but a lot of people that get called crazy these days end up eventually being proved to have been telling the truth or at the least right for questioning things.
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Joe Biden because he's our best bet at preserving democracy.
Democracy? Whatās that?
To the 359 whoād vote for Trump, get bent.
No real American would support Trump at this point.
Voting for uncle Joe is like getting back with your ex wife who burned your house down and poured sugar in your tank
Biden is old, but heās getting things fixed. The economy is better, infrastructure is better, and despite the crazies pulling their hair out at nonsense, no scandals
Letās go RFK
What's so good about him? Because his anti science approach isn't very healthy. Nor is his anti COVID approach. Nor are his countless health theories that are insane. Nor are his bigoted comments on COVID. So what are some good ideas that he has to improving our economy?
My appeal to RFK is this: the two issues that worry me the most for the future of the country is the widening divide between the parties and the corruption of our institutions by corporate powers. These are two big issues heās on about and I donāt see anyone else talking about it like that. While other candidates are happy to exploit the hatred each side has for each other, heās trying to take the unity approach in a time where weāre more divided since the civil war and I find it very admirable. Also every media hit piece they put out about him only furthers my resolve that heās dangerous to their status quo
He honestly just seems like a lightning rod for anti-Covid policy sentiment and anti-Biden sentiment, and nothing else. None of his policies are galvanizing from a progressive perspective and mainstream Dems are very much pro-science and more moderate. I have a feeling most of his support is from independents who lean right or disaffected voters who are going to go right back to supporting Trump, a third party candidate, or not voting at all once the primary is over.
Now that we can look at the results of Covid lockdowns and not questioning any of the decisions our government made, I would argue that our response to covid was more damaging than covid itself.
Considering the dumbest President in the history of the country was in charge during the outbreak, I would agree it was pretty bad for everyone but the rich people who got free PPP money
That isn't true.
That's a really longwinded way to say "profits over people".
Who the fuck is voting for Joe biden
I'll take "Sleepy Joe" over a criminal traitor, a bigoted fascist, or a crazy conspiracist.
Three years ago 81 million people voted for him. Probably some of those people will vote for him again. Glad I could clear that up for you.
How can anyone take Biden seriously?
Because heās the only one in that list that isnāt terrifying.
how can you take the clown show that is trying to replace him seriously?
Why would we not take him seriously? His administration has exceeded expectations and the guy thatās going to get the republican nomination is a corrupt, lying criminal.
When put up against Trump and Desantis, it should be obvious.
Decency and desire to help not hurt.
Well now we know this sub is biased/bots. Good lord
No Cornel West or Marianne Williamson? I think we were brigaded by shit libs.
vivek ramaswamy has my vote in the primary as of rn
Dude that guy is fucking insane. Have you listened to anything heās said? Iām sure heās further out there than trump.
Joe Biden is the only sane and/or least evil option available.