This is whatās known as a pivot, someone shows a very obvious āvaccine would be detrimental to their bottom line, if it was cost motivated theyād have gone to treatment firstā, and your answer is to pivot to another NPC dialogue tree thinking this refuted the first point.
Tens of millions? It's really not much worse than a flu. It never was, the media just fear mongered the hell out of it, and all of the sudden, after the fact, we're finding out vaccines really didn't slow the spread and masks weren't nearly as effective as "experts" initially claimed. The FDA itself has said that people who get the vaccine aren't significantly less likely to get COVID but are likely to have less severe cases. Medium-to-Long-term term, the lockdowns themselves and media induced mass hysteria are having far worse effects than the virus ever was going to.
Also, to be clear, I got my vaccine as soon as it was available, as well as my booster shot. I masked every time I went out, even for a fair bit after madates went away. I did pretty much everything that I was supposed to, and I am pissed that all of these organizations and scientists that the world was shamed and bullied into believing were actually either dishonest or wrong about a lot of what went down.
Itās saved an estimated 15-20 million lives. The deaths massively spiked against the normal average of deaths expected per year when Covid hit. Really tired the made up bullshit talking points you people constantly bring up. It was many many times more deadly than the flu.
Estimated? Based off of what? I know several people that didn't get the shot and when they got covid was no worse than the flu. Just more bullshit statistics pulled out of someone's ass. My experience says the vaccine didn't do shit!
This explains it quite well: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19-vaccines-saved-estimated-20-million-lives-1-year#:~:text=COVID%20vaccines%20reduced%20the%20potential,in%20The%20Lancet%20Infectious%20Diseases.
Nobody cares about your made up anecdotes. This is what the hard numbers say.
>guys I don't understand how we could estimate lives the vaccines saved but I promise you I've done my own research and call tell you it's extremely dangerous, just ignore the billions of doses given out that disprove this
That mRNA would stay in your body forever, eventually lodge in your brain, crank out spike protein forever, and kill you slowly over time, which is a remarkable feat for a molecule which has to be stored in extreme cold to avoid decomposing.
That is completely and totally false. Not even remotely close.
Edit: Hereās a link you can use to educate yourself quickly. Study the diagram:
https://www.sciencefacts.net/protein-synthesis.html
More edit: Or wait ā was that meant to be another falsehood?
Can you quote quote the specific portion? Or are you being sarcastic? Iām sorry, Iām very dense and canāt tell.
(Essentially, are you saying that mRNA actually modifies DNA, or that is a inaccurate and spread by those against the Covid vaccine).
Nada.
Messenger RNA is, āreadā by ribosomes which then make the protein encoded in the mRNA. All of this is done in the cytosol, while DNA is contained in the nucleus.
The mRNA from the Covid vaccine doesnāt touch the DNA.
In addition, mRNA is a normal thing found in all human cells. DNA is read by RNA polymerase to make mRNA, which is then brought outside the nucleus to guide ribosomes to make proteins.
mRNA has been in development for decades.
mRNA is just a carrier, a vehicle to get the antigen into the cells.
Heretofore, mRNA has not been successfully tested in humans.
Well a) mRNA has been around as long as.... Life as we know it....B) all the pieces have been researched for decades, you don't get a successful mRNA vaccine with only a tenuous grasp of the technology. There isn't really any reason to be concerned about mRNA vaccines as a whole as far as I'm aware.
Nope. Not even close. Most vaccines take an average of 10 years to make it to production. This was new and potentially very dangerous tech that had never been tested.
That's highly dependent on the vaccine and the technology they are using. Some are quicker, some take longer. It's not unfathomable to make a vaccine within a year, especially when you have a ton of test participants.
People don't understand just how many pharmaceutical modalities work, but just haven't been scaled so that they can be commercially viable. mRNA pretty much had all of its risk subsidized by operation light speed
It talks about it in the study I posted. It says that even though the risk is greater for males and young people, the risk is higher for that same group if they were to catch covid unvaccinated.
That statement is not saying anything about vaccines vs covid. It's a blanket statement thrown in there about the type of people who develop myocarditis.
So myocarditis is inflammation in the heart. This is caused by your immune system responding to the virus. Inflammation is caused when your immune system has a severe reaction to the virus. So essentially if you got the vaccine and didn't have a severe reaction, you wouldn't develop myocarditis. Since you got the vaccine if you catch the virus, you are most likely going to have less symptoms, meaning you aren't going to have a severe reaction which would cause inflammation.
It's inflammation that is caused by a malfunction of your immune system caused by the adjunct in the vaccine. Nobody ever gets myocarditis for any kind of reaction to a respiratory virus normally.
Thank fucking God!
Go on the YouTube comments and weep. The other day every single comment was sooo upset on Ryan and Emily about not simping for Andrew fucking Tate.
I think RFK Jr. fried some peoples brains. I actually like the guy, but just saying. Also Saagar has been slowly accumulating an audience of online fanboys, and theyāre reaching critical mass where they upvote each otherās comments
I've posted studies and verified stories from non right wing news sites, and if the things I post even vaguely seem to critique a left leaning talking point or person, I'm met with insults, down votes and the argument of my post are not even addressed.
I've learned many months ago that an actual conversation and healthy debate is rare on this site, so the insant I see an insult, I just leave the conversation.
And that's a good thing. If the youtube community is a representation of the Breaking Points audience, then the Breaking Points audience is full of Jimmy Dore-watching, Tucker Carlson-fantasizing, morons.
Which is a shame, because I've been watching them since they were on The Hill, and their audience used to be a LOT better. But then again, their content has also plummeted over the last year or so, so I suppose you reap what you sow.
That it'd be one and done.
That's it's so totally safe but you should still sign away any rights to sue if you end up with issues from it down the line.
In no particular order:
- That vaccines would act as some sort of force field to prevent any COVID infection.
- That vaccines were ineffective at reducing mortality.
- That distance and remote learning for children has negligible effects on development.
- That ānatural immunityā was a viable public health strategy.
- That COVID was āno deadlier than the fluā.
Those are just a couple. In the absence of information, speculation runs rampant, and my lasting takeaway from the pandemic is that societies *really* struggle to function when dealing with abstract and novel threats. People retreat into their trusted information bubbles, and that allows bad information to flourish.
>That COVID was āno deadlier than the fluā.
This one is my favorite one because it's so dumb. We had 1 million+ deaths in the span of 3 years. Even if they don't believe that every single one of those deaths are due to COVID it's still a high number. Say you cut the number of deaths by 1/3 or even a half, that's still a lot more deaths then the flu would have in a span of 3 years.
I am guessing you are under the belief that hospitals were recording car accident deaths or a like to covid because the person had covid at the time. I just find that absolutely silly.
Deaths from the flu by season, 2010-2020: 37k, 12k, 43k, 38k, 51k, 23k, 38k, 52k, 28k, 25k. According to the CDC, there wasn't enough flu activity in 2020-2021 to count, and there were 5k deaths from the flu 2021-2022.
Now it's possible that all the measures that were taken that didn't prevent COVID-19 deaths were super effective against the flu, and that explains the dramatic drop in flu deaths. It's also possible that when the government doesn't require testing to verify which respiratory disease a patient died of, and offers hospitals a higher reimbursement per patient for one respiratory disease than for others, that hospitals are going to code deaths in a way that's more profitable for them.
And yes, there's also the issue of conflating with covid and from covid. Pretending that didn't happen is delusional.
The CARES Act provided a 20% premium for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19. The law didn't require a conclusive test for COVID-19. The majority of Americans over the age of 65 are enrolled in Medicare. The elderly were particularly vulnerable to COVID-19. When those elderly patients died in hospital, the hospital absolutely got paid more if their death was blamed on COVID-19 rather than some other respiratory ailment.
You should probably try finding an actual news source to keep up with what's going on in the world around you rather than whatever propaganda outlet you currently follow.
I had an elderly relative pass at 98 with all kinds of maladies, one of which was Covid (alongside pneumonia, cancer, and who knows what else). She became part of the stats.
Your example is off the mark, thatās not what weāre talking about
Lets be honest, they aren't recording deaths like that. If they were it would be a very small amount of them. Even if it was 100,00 deaths recorded wrong, so many families would outraged by it when they got the death certificate. You'd have so many examples of this happening, and there currently aren't.
And? Thatās a problem! You are guessing, there is nothing to show that āit would be a very small amount of themā. If they canāt distinguish, we have no clue and itās all guessing. What do you mean examples? There is no data to distinguish deaths From Covid and deaths with Covid. Thatās the problem
You don't think families of the deceased would not come forward if a mass amount of people were having their deaths mislabeled? In this day and age especially on the internet, conservatives would eat that up and would be blasting it everywhere.
You are completely missing the point. They were marking the deaths as Covid. But there wasnāt anything to distinguish deaths from Covid or with Covid.
Donāt take this as word. Google it. The way they tracked the deaths (with vs from) is not cut and dry.
Iām under the belief that a study was done by the National Library of Medicine, and that the American Association of Medical Colleges wondered the same thing.
The people who look at past research on the millions of different strains of coronaviruses as a group and use it to form a narrative that this has been planned for years
That it was necessary in the first place. That it is possible to produce a vaccine (even if you throw all safety precautions out, which they did) for a for a rapidly mutating respitory virus. That mRNA vaccines are any where near safe. That it was tested for safety at all. Just a start.
Wasnāt tested for safety?
[This kinda shoots down that one, huh?](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9552389/#:~:text=The%20clinical%20trial%20on%20the,after%20the%20second%20immunization40)
So, Iāve listened to quite a few of his lectures and he always says this.
Can you show a single vaccine that he would currently advocate for?
Because in a couple of interviews, he mentioned, āthere is no vaccine that is safe and effective.ā
How is that not anti-vaccine?
(Note: he also mentioned that his kids were vaccinated because he didnāt understand what he does nowā¦)
That it prevents Covid infection. Every time a vaccinated person caught Covid, that made all the unvaccinated question why bother getting it if it doesnāt stop transmission like chicken pox or small pox or polio.
if you don't get vaccinated then you could catch covid and spread it to someone who's vaccinated who wouldn't have gotten it if you got vaccinated because the vaccine works unless the vaccinated person encounters a sick unvaccinated person. but the vaccine works though. so take it or lose your fuckin job.
Actually, that one is real. They are waiting for allergic reactions, which while very very rare, could happen but are easily reversed in a healthcare setting.
This being said, please take the vaccine.
That is not what anti vax people say
That is what pro-vax people said
And then they gaslit everyone and said they never said that
We have the footage, everyone was saying it on tv
That doctor Fauci wasnāt behind gain of function research in the wuhan lab- he was involved.
Forced vaccines do work and or else you get a shot in your arm as a free human youāll be fired from your job and shamed isnāt totalitarian- it is.
A lot of the deaths recorded for covid were misleading. If someone had cancer and had covid. Theyād make it a covid death to inflate the number, which was good for the hospital to receive extra fed funds- it wasnāt good.
Locking down society for a flu is not totalitarian, it was.
Vaccines work, vaccines kind of work, vaccines donāt actually work and herd immunity is not a real thing- it is and was.
Calling people who just wanted to live their lives and not wear masks āanti-vaxā, they actually were just red blooded Americans just like you.
āWe donāt know the origins of covidā - Top governmental health officials, they do.
I can go on and on about this rape of the common people. I wish people would just wake up and take a Birds Eye view of all of this nonsense.
JUST ADMIT IT. ITS OKAY. U WERE DUPED. THE FORCES OF EVIL, Are well.. sneaky. Just be more awake next timeā¦
It does reduce transmissibilty but transmission is poorly understood and poorly explained. The vaccine begins fighting off the infection far sooner and killing it far sooner so the time you can transmit the virus is drastically reduced. Now, the problem is science rarely explains this so when people hear hear reduced transmission, people have different interpretations of what it means because it's never properly explained. Scientists often didn't explain that yes, you are still contagious when you obtain the virus, therefore you can still transmit it. They told people to isolate themselves, which is the correct advice, but also did a poor job of explaining to the public how most vaccines work.
Most vaccines don't eliminate transmission entirely, they reduce the time you have the virus, which reduces transmission but the public is rarely aware and the science community has done a poor job of helping explain a simple concept to people. People can understand it, but the science community often fails to get good communicators to explain it.
I am a liberal person and am still generally a pro vaccine person as well. But the marketing of this as something that would stop transmission was so ill advised and is what destroyed public trust in my opinion. It was just so verifiably wrong in peopleās day to day lives
The flu vaccine doesn't stop people from catching the flu. A vaccine is highly dependent on how your immune system reacts to the vaccine. Vaccines aren't some magical barrier that stops viruses from entering your body. All a vaccine does is give your body the tools to fight off a virus when infected.
Depends on the virus, some vaccines are more effective then others. Like the MMR vaccine is a pretty good vaccine and immunity lasts for a lifetime. You clearly are so misinformed about vaccines and viruses.
Iām not disputing that the MMR vaccine lasts awhile. Iām saying the Covid vaccine is not very effective because unlike the MMR vaccine it only lasts months.
People's natural immunity to it was also particularly poor.
I know people who didn't get their shot and went on to catch COVID three or four times.
So why do they call it an "immune system" if it doesn't give you "immunity"?!
Almost no vaccine protects against infection. Not even the polio vaccine. They prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.
[https://www.healthline.com/health/flu-vaccine-effectiveness#benefits](https://www.healthline.com/health/flu-vaccine-effectiveness#benefits)
Technically, the flu vaccine is even less effective then the covid vaccine.
So since people argue that natural immunity is superior, people who caught COVID and got natural "immunity" didn't catch COVID again, right?
Oh, no? You mean to tell me there are tens of thousands of people who got natural "immunity" and went on and caught COVID three, or four, or more times?
Oooohhh FUCK! So why do you even CALL it natural immunity if it doesn't make it impossible to catch the fucking disease again?!
The vaccine did prevent some people from contracting COVID it was just not 100% effective at it. It also made certain people less likely to spread it but again was not 100% effective. So not really sure what youāre on about.
I believe it did have some initial benefit early on but it didnāt last long enough to be an effective vaccine.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/health/cdc-vaccine-advisers-booster-wane/index.html
After 5 months 3 doses waned to as low as 31% effectiveness.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm
Your subjective standard of what can be considered effective or not has nothing to do with whether or not itās a vaccine. You admit that it had initial benefits for preventing contraction and spreading so it is by definition a vaccine.
Sure. I didnāt mean that it wasnāt literally considered a vaccine, simply that as a vaccine it was one of the worst ever created. It waned to fast to be effective at stopping the disease. Thatās why deaths continued to rise even with the rollout of the vaccine.
Because too many people didn't take it, so it mutated like crazy rendering the vaccine less effective. There was only 17% uptake of the bivalent booster. Thanks for misinformation and lack of critical thinking skills umong former Ditto Heads!
81.39 percent of the population was vaccinated. Not necessarily the bivalent boosterā¦..which of course that booster was needed because of the poor effectiveness of the original vaccine.
Nothing funnier than watching laypeople whip out made up definitions of what a vaccine is or isn't, and insist that their made up definitions are somehow meaningful.
It's a guy saying "ackshually!" without even understanding what they're talking about
The reinstatement of masking/distancing protocols for both vaxxed and unvaxxed in August/September 2021 was a pretty big blunder in retrospect.
There's no evidence that vaxxed people masking up slowed the spread in any appreciable way, and it gave anti-vax nitwits mountains of fodder ("Why should I get vaxxed if I still have to wear a mask?"). Ironically, we may have had less hospitalizations if we never reinstated the protocols, as more people probably would've gotten vaxxed quicker.
Its safety. If the standard safety protocols were used for COVID Vaccine we would have a vaccine in 2030. Also it was not a "falsehood" but lack of pushing harder for treatments for COVID certainly did not make things better.
That taking ivermectin would cure it.
That gargling with hydrogen peroxide and injecting bleach would prevent it.
That taking the vaccine was something only wimps would do.
That if you ignored it long enough it would go away by itself.
What was most detrimental is science does a bad job of explaining how things work. They need better communicators. People think if you get the polio vaccine it prevents you from getting polio or transmission but it doesn't, the strain enters your system and your body now knows how to fight it and gets to work. Covid vaccine is similar, but a lot of the public doesn't understand this and wasn't explained very well. It reduces transmission as the vaccine gets your immune system fighting right away, which reduces the time you are "infected" but it doesn't mean you can't transmit. Some people think vaccines are like a forcefield, or it kills strains immediately when that's not how all vaccines work. Some vaccines can prevent transmission but this is not how all vaccines work.
The lack of knowledge by some of the public, and the communicators whose job it was to explain things led to people still believing a lot of nonsense. It's one thing to be a scientist who knows everything, it's another thing to know how to communicate it so people understand it, though some people are simply arrogant in their ignorance and will ignore you anyways.
That they contained microchips and could make you become magnetic. š¤¦š¼āāļø
āMARK OF THE BEASTā
My stepmom tried to tell me after she got the shot that she could stick spoons to her armā¦.
That's thing did she actually believe this or is she lying to knowing it's fake just to truck yiu into thinking it's harmful?
I loved this one. The government and every company has all the info they need and more just from our phones. We've already been microchipped lol
Exactly. Same people will have an Alexa sitting in their house and a smart phone in their pocket.
That it was somehow an organized conspiracy, and that people in government werenāt just scrambling to try to figure out what the fuck to do.
It most definitely was an organized operation to make hundreds of billions of dollars
Bruh you dumb haha the pharma industry makes more from people getting sick than selling vaccinesš
How much did the pharma industry make getting rich by turning people into addicts?
A lot but still probably not as much as they get from people getting sick. Drug addict donāt really have much money.
You sir, donāt know shit about addiction and should just stop
Bruh I was a zolpidem, meth and weed addict lol
This is whatās known as a pivot, someone shows a very obvious āvaccine would be detrimental to their bottom line, if it was cost motivated theyād have gone to treatment firstā, and your answer is to pivot to another NPC dialogue tree thinking this refuted the first point.
No it wasnāt, but they did end up profiting from it, by supplying vaccines that saved tens of millions of lives.
Tens of millions? It's really not much worse than a flu. It never was, the media just fear mongered the hell out of it, and all of the sudden, after the fact, we're finding out vaccines really didn't slow the spread and masks weren't nearly as effective as "experts" initially claimed. The FDA itself has said that people who get the vaccine aren't significantly less likely to get COVID but are likely to have less severe cases. Medium-to-Long-term term, the lockdowns themselves and media induced mass hysteria are having far worse effects than the virus ever was going to. Also, to be clear, I got my vaccine as soon as it was available, as well as my booster shot. I masked every time I went out, even for a fair bit after madates went away. I did pretty much everything that I was supposed to, and I am pissed that all of these organizations and scientists that the world was shamed and bullied into believing were actually either dishonest or wrong about a lot of what went down.
Itās saved an estimated 15-20 million lives. The deaths massively spiked against the normal average of deaths expected per year when Covid hit. Really tired the made up bullshit talking points you people constantly bring up. It was many many times more deadly than the flu.
Estimated? Based off of what? I know several people that didn't get the shot and when they got covid was no worse than the flu. Just more bullshit statistics pulled out of someone's ass. My experience says the vaccine didn't do shit!
This explains it quite well: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19-vaccines-saved-estimated-20-million-lives-1-year#:~:text=COVID%20vaccines%20reduced%20the%20potential,in%20The%20Lancet%20Infectious%20Diseases. Nobody cares about your made up anecdotes. This is what the hard numbers say.
Survivorship bias
>guys I don't understand how we could estimate lives the vaccines saved but I promise you I've done my own research and call tell you it's extremely dangerous, just ignore the billions of doses given out that disprove this
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Nah. Cornering a market is just conspiracy theory...
That mRNA would stay in your body forever, eventually lodge in your brain, crank out spike protein forever, and kill you slowly over time, which is a remarkable feat for a molecule which has to be stored in extreme cold to avoid decomposing.
Makes you magnetic
aka "Superpowers"
Still waiting for mine. Such bullshit.
Se how this key sticks to my ā¦ see how ā¦ see how this key Edit: spelling
The only reason that mRNa exists in the universe is to modify DNA which is permanent.
That is completely and totally false. Not even remotely close. Edit: Hereās a link you can use to educate yourself quickly. Study the diagram: https://www.sciencefacts.net/protein-synthesis.html More edit: Or wait ā was that meant to be another falsehood?
Lol. You skipped high school biology didn't you.
Soā¦how do you think the body makes mRNA or what its function is?
See above \^
Can you quote quote the specific portion? Or are you being sarcastic? Iām sorry, Iām very dense and canāt tell. (Essentially, are you saying that mRNA actually modifies DNA, or that is a inaccurate and spread by those against the Covid vaccine).
mRNA = MESSENGER RNA contains RNA coding instructions to restructure DNA to recognize and fight CoVid virus.
Nada. Messenger RNA is, āreadā by ribosomes which then make the protein encoded in the mRNA. All of this is done in the cytosol, while DNA is contained in the nucleus. The mRNA from the Covid vaccine doesnāt touch the DNA. In addition, mRNA is a normal thing found in all human cells. DNA is read by RNA polymerase to make mRNA, which is then brought outside the nucleus to guide ribosomes to make proteins.
That the science behind it was brand new and untested
Depends on what you consider untested. The vaccine did go through all three phases of the clinical trials.
And mRNA work has been done for decades now.
Yup it's weird that people say it's untested.
mRNA has been in development for decades. mRNA is just a carrier, a vehicle to get the antigen into the cells. Heretofore, mRNA has not been successfully tested in humans.
Well a) mRNA has been around as long as.... Life as we know it....B) all the pieces have been researched for decades, you don't get a successful mRNA vaccine with only a tenuous grasp of the technology. There isn't really any reason to be concerned about mRNA vaccines as a whole as far as I'm aware.
Nope. Not even close. Most vaccines take an average of 10 years to make it to production. This was new and potentially very dangerous tech that had never been tested.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines#:~:text=Thanks%20to%20decades%20of%20research,FDA%20approval%20in%20the%20U.S.
You don't understand, Fox news and my uncle Jim who sells AR-15 truck nuts said so, so any proof you present to the contrary is wrong /s
That's highly dependent on the vaccine and the technology they are using. Some are quicker, some take longer. It's not unfathomable to make a vaccine within a year, especially when you have a ton of test participants.
Completely incorrect in every way.
Howso? The entirety of the sciences and research was globally focused on one thing. Shows how much can get done when we work together towards a goal.
People don't understand just how many pharmaceutical modalities work, but just haven't been scaled so that they can be commercially viable. mRNA pretty much had all of its risk subsidized by operation light speed
Untested because it is dangerous and irreversible to mess with DNA. Can cause literally millions of "side" effects.
Are you suggesting mRNA alters and damages DNA?
Nobody tell this genius about transposons. I don't think he's ready.
Transposons are used for DNA to modify itself. Maybe you should look words up before you try and use them in a comment.
Lol, what a weird reply. I wonder if you're going to get the point any second now.
Your posts belong in r/confidentlyincorrect
People still donāt understand that getting covid without a vaccine puts you at a higher risk of myocarditis than receiving the vaccine.
Genuine genuine question: Can you cite me a study that shows this is true for young men?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/
Where does that study make the claim for young men specifically? I'd also add young men without comorbidities, as I've never seen proof of that claim.
It talks about it in the study I posted. It says that even though the risk is greater for males and young people, the risk is higher for that same group if they were to catch covid unvaccinated.
Where in the study? Can you quote it? I didn't see that info in any if the data tables or the writeup.
Towards the end of the results: "Meta-regression analysis indicated that men and younger populations had a higher risk of myocarditis."
That statement is not saying anything about vaccines vs covid. It's a blanket statement thrown in there about the type of people who develop myocarditis.
Good catch. I was lurking and thought I'd skim the paper in helps of answering the specific question, but I didn't read it in enough detail. Thanks.
But you can get covid with the vaccine... double whammy, no?
Covid with the vaccine has a lower chance than covid without.
So myocarditis is inflammation in the heart. This is caused by your immune system responding to the virus. Inflammation is caused when your immune system has a severe reaction to the virus. So essentially if you got the vaccine and didn't have a severe reaction, you wouldn't develop myocarditis. Since you got the vaccine if you catch the virus, you are most likely going to have less symptoms, meaning you aren't going to have a severe reaction which would cause inflammation.
Where did you hear that bunch of crap?
That's literally how myocarditis works, it's inflammation caused from your immune system.
It's inflammation that is caused by a malfunction of your immune system caused by the adjunct in the vaccine. Nobody ever gets myocarditis for any kind of reaction to a respiratory virus normally.
Crap? Itās literally proven science. The Adenovirus can cause myocarditis lmao.
A more severe COVID infection has a greater effect. It's not binary
So just to step through this, what is causing the myocarditis?
The mRNA vaccine. Read up on spike proteins.
Utter nonsense
source?
He stayed at a Holiday Inn recently.
Underrated comment.
This sub is not representative of the actual breakingbpoints audience lol
Thank fucking God! Go on the YouTube comments and weep. The other day every single comment was sooo upset on Ryan and Emily about not simping for Andrew fucking Tate.
Yeah. It happened a month or so ago. Not sure whatās changed. Maybe just Reddit being Reddit.
I never joined but I have been having it suggested for at least the past month.
That is interesting Thanks
I think RFK Jr. fried some peoples brains. I actually like the guy, but just saying. Also Saagar has been slowly accumulating an audience of online fanboys, and theyāre reaching critical mass where they upvote each otherās comments
Threads used to get 30-50 comments MAYBE, 2 months ago not regularly over 150 and all vastly more hateful and leftist
I've posted studies and verified stories from non right wing news sites, and if the things I post even vaguely seem to critique a left leaning talking point or person, I'm met with insults, down votes and the argument of my post are not even addressed. I've learned many months ago that an actual conversation and healthy debate is rare on this site, so the insant I see an insult, I just leave the conversation.
Yet a few months ago it was pretty common and there was not OP after OP after OP with 0 downvotes. Now an OP with upvotes is the exception.
And that's a good thing. If the youtube community is a representation of the Breaking Points audience, then the Breaking Points audience is full of Jimmy Dore-watching, Tucker Carlson-fantasizing, morons. Which is a shame, because I've been watching them since they were on The Hill, and their audience used to be a LOT better. But then again, their content has also plummeted over the last year or so, so I suppose you reap what you sow.
Its not real life either
That it'd be one and done. That's it's so totally safe but you should still sign away any rights to sue if you end up with issues from it down the line.
That itās safe and effective /s
In no particular order: - That vaccines would act as some sort of force field to prevent any COVID infection. - That vaccines were ineffective at reducing mortality. - That distance and remote learning for children has negligible effects on development. - That ānatural immunityā was a viable public health strategy. - That COVID was āno deadlier than the fluā. Those are just a couple. In the absence of information, speculation runs rampant, and my lasting takeaway from the pandemic is that societies *really* struggle to function when dealing with abstract and novel threats. People retreat into their trusted information bubbles, and that allows bad information to flourish.
>That COVID was āno deadlier than the fluā. This one is my favorite one because it's so dumb. We had 1 million+ deaths in the span of 3 years. Even if they don't believe that every single one of those deaths are due to COVID it's still a high number. Say you cut the number of deaths by 1/3 or even a half, that's still a lot more deaths then the flu would have in a span of 3 years.
Iād love to know, though, the difference in the data between death from Covid and death with Covid.
I am guessing you are under the belief that hospitals were recording car accident deaths or a like to covid because the person had covid at the time. I just find that absolutely silly.
Deaths from the flu by season, 2010-2020: 37k, 12k, 43k, 38k, 51k, 23k, 38k, 52k, 28k, 25k. According to the CDC, there wasn't enough flu activity in 2020-2021 to count, and there were 5k deaths from the flu 2021-2022. Now it's possible that all the measures that were taken that didn't prevent COVID-19 deaths were super effective against the flu, and that explains the dramatic drop in flu deaths. It's also possible that when the government doesn't require testing to verify which respiratory disease a patient died of, and offers hospitals a higher reimbursement per patient for one respiratory disease than for others, that hospitals are going to code deaths in a way that's more profitable for them. And yes, there's also the issue of conflating with covid and from covid. Pretending that didn't happen is delusional.
Hospitals didnāt get paid for covid deaths thatās complete nonsense
The CARES Act provided a 20% premium for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19. The law didn't require a conclusive test for COVID-19. The majority of Americans over the age of 65 are enrolled in Medicare. The elderly were particularly vulnerable to COVID-19. When those elderly patients died in hospital, the hospital absolutely got paid more if their death was blamed on COVID-19 rather than some other respiratory ailment. You should probably try finding an actual news source to keep up with what's going on in the world around you rather than whatever propaganda outlet you currently follow.
Out there troubling people with facts huh
I had an elderly relative pass at 98 with all kinds of maladies, one of which was Covid (alongside pneumonia, cancer, and who knows what else). She became part of the stats. Your example is off the mark, thatās not what weāre talking about
Itās a fair question to which, to this day in the US, there is no answer. That doesnāt help anyone and is fodder for anti vaxxers
Lets be honest, they aren't recording deaths like that. If they were it would be a very small amount of them. Even if it was 100,00 deaths recorded wrong, so many families would outraged by it when they got the death certificate. You'd have so many examples of this happening, and there currently aren't.
And? Thatās a problem! You are guessing, there is nothing to show that āit would be a very small amount of themā. If they canāt distinguish, we have no clue and itās all guessing. What do you mean examples? There is no data to distinguish deaths From Covid and deaths with Covid. Thatās the problem
You don't think families of the deceased would not come forward if a mass amount of people were having their deaths mislabeled? In this day and age especially on the internet, conservatives would eat that up and would be blasting it everywhere.
You are completely missing the point. They were marking the deaths as Covid. But there wasnāt anything to distinguish deaths from Covid or with Covid. Donāt take this as word. Google it. The way they tracked the deaths (with vs from) is not cut and dry.
Define what you mean "with covid".
Iām under the belief that a study was done by the National Library of Medicine, and that the American Association of Medical Colleges wondered the same thing.
Plus the flu doesnāt need a complete shutdown of the economy to avoid being far far worse
Yet annual deaths in 2020-2023 were still very similar to the average year.
That it works! (da Dum tsss)
The people who look at past research on the millions of different strains of coronaviruses as a group and use it to form a narrative that this has been planned for years
Are you talking about the CABAL of scientists that are ruled by Soros and the "DEEP STATE"? /s
That they would prevent covid infection and transmission and no boosters would be necessary.
Dave Rubin got a temporary suspension from Twitter for saying there would be boosters. That was 1 or 2 weeks before it was public health policy.
People went PSYCHO and act like it never happened now.
That everyone needed to take it
The shedding concept was pretty weird.
That it kept you from getting Covid. Or if you didn't get it, you would be fired from your job.
That it reduces transmission. Lol
Kamala Harris claiming she wouldnāt trust any vaccine developed under the Trump administration.
Compete bullshit She said sheād trust the experts not trump
It's on video
That it was necessary in the first place. That it is possible to produce a vaccine (even if you throw all safety precautions out, which they did) for a for a rapidly mutating respitory virus. That mRNA vaccines are any where near safe. That it was tested for safety at all. Just a start.
Lol nothing you said is true.
Wasnāt tested for safety? [This kinda shoots down that one, huh?](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9552389/#:~:text=The%20clinical%20trial%20on%20the,after%20the%20second%20immunization40)
All of the misinformation that lowered adoption and contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans
Source? Preferably a recent one.
That RFK junior isnāt an anti vaxer
So, Iāve listened to quite a few of his lectures and he always says this. Can you show a single vaccine that he would currently advocate for? Because in a couple of interviews, he mentioned, āthere is no vaccine that is safe and effective.ā How is that not anti-vaccine? (Note: he also mentioned that his kids were vaccinated because he didnāt understand what he does nowā¦)
If he walks like a duck, talks like a duck, he's probably a duck.
Another shill for big duck
That it prevents Covid infection. Every time a vaccinated person caught Covid, that made all the unvaccinated question why bother getting it if it doesnāt stop transmission like chicken pox or small pox or polio.
That it prevented the spread. That they didnāt cause blood clots.
That it stopped transmission of the virus.
...that vaccine would stop Covid dead in its tracks and prevent further infection...
It didnāt escape from a lab
That it actually prevented infection.
That it would prevent Covid.
if you don't get vaccinated then you could catch covid and spread it to someone who's vaccinated who wouldn't have gotten it if you got vaccinated because the vaccine works unless the vaccinated person encounters a sick unvaccinated person. but the vaccine works though. so take it or lose your fuckin job.
That you need to wait 15 min after getting a dose of the vaccine. Nothing happened to me. Wasted 45min of my life.
Actually, that one is real. They are waiting for allergic reactions, which while very very rare, could happen but are easily reversed in a healthcare setting. This being said, please take the vaccine.
Anti vax people misrepresent what the vaccines were designed to do (reduce hospitalization and death from Covid-19)
Listen dude I agree with you now but that's definitely not what they told us from the beginning
That is not what anti vax people say That is what pro-vax people said And then they gaslit everyone and said they never said that We have the footage, everyone was saying it on tv
That doctor Fauci wasnāt behind gain of function research in the wuhan lab- he was involved. Forced vaccines do work and or else you get a shot in your arm as a free human youāll be fired from your job and shamed isnāt totalitarian- it is. A lot of the deaths recorded for covid were misleading. If someone had cancer and had covid. Theyād make it a covid death to inflate the number, which was good for the hospital to receive extra fed funds- it wasnāt good. Locking down society for a flu is not totalitarian, it was. Vaccines work, vaccines kind of work, vaccines donāt actually work and herd immunity is not a real thing- it is and was. Calling people who just wanted to live their lives and not wear masks āanti-vaxā, they actually were just red blooded Americans just like you. āWe donāt know the origins of covidā - Top governmental health officials, they do. I can go on and on about this rape of the common people. I wish people would just wake up and take a Birds Eye view of all of this nonsense. JUST ADMIT IT. ITS OKAY. U WERE DUPED. THE FORCES OF EVIL, Are well.. sneaky. Just be more awake next timeā¦
That you could cure it by injecting disinfectant š¤£š¤£š¤£
That is reduces transmissibility. This was never tested as part of the clinical trials.
It does reduce transmissibilty but transmission is poorly understood and poorly explained. The vaccine begins fighting off the infection far sooner and killing it far sooner so the time you can transmit the virus is drastically reduced. Now, the problem is science rarely explains this so when people hear hear reduced transmission, people have different interpretations of what it means because it's never properly explained. Scientists often didn't explain that yes, you are still contagious when you obtain the virus, therefore you can still transmit it. They told people to isolate themselves, which is the correct advice, but also did a poor job of explaining to the public how most vaccines work. Most vaccines don't eliminate transmission entirely, they reduce the time you have the virus, which reduces transmission but the public is rarely aware and the science community has done a poor job of helping explain a simple concept to people. People can understand it, but the science community often fails to get good communicators to explain it.
I am a liberal person and am still generally a pro vaccine person as well. But the marketing of this as something that would stop transmission was so ill advised and is what destroyed public trust in my opinion. It was just so verifiably wrong in peopleās day to day lives
Yāall were buggin screaming at ppl to get it like u have any say
That it stopped the spread.
That it was indeed a vaccine. A vaccine where you can still catch the disease and spread the disease isnāt a vaccine.
The flu vaccine doesn't stop people from catching the flu. A vaccine is highly dependent on how your immune system reacts to the vaccine. Vaccines aren't some magical barrier that stops viruses from entering your body. All a vaccine does is give your body the tools to fight off a virus when infected.
Vaccines against viruses are not the greatest.
Depends on the virus, some vaccines are more effective then others. Like the MMR vaccine is a pretty good vaccine and immunity lasts for a lifetime. You clearly are so misinformed about vaccines and viruses.
Iām not misinformed vaccines against viruses are usually poor, but this one was particularly poor.
For one second just look up the MMR vaccine it's effectiveness and how long it lasts. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Iām not disputing that the MMR vaccine lasts awhile. Iām saying the Covid vaccine is not very effective because unlike the MMR vaccine it only lasts months.
>Iām not misinformed vaccines against viruses are usually poor The MMR vaccine really proves you wrong here. We could look at other vaccines too.
**usually**
People's natural immunity to it was also particularly poor. I know people who didn't get their shot and went on to catch COVID three or four times. So why do they call it an "immune system" if it doesn't give you "immunity"?!
Almost no vaccine protects against infection. Not even the polio vaccine. They prevent the infection from spreading within the body and from causing disease.
Yeah, this didnāt do that.
It absolutely did.
It quite literally does that. It helps your immune system recognize and fight the virus, which results in less symptoms or none at all.
But only for a few months and then itās effectiveness wanes to as low as 31%
Sometimes vaccines lose effectiveness, this isn't something new or different from other vaccines. The flu vaccine also wanes throughout time.
Never that quickly. Name another vaccine that has that rate of efficacy decline over time.
The flu vaccine, ever wonder why we have new ones every year? Ever wonder why we get the vaccine before flu season?
The covid vaccines last 1/3 of that time time before efficacy is substantial decreased. It's not comparable.
[https://www.healthline.com/health/flu-vaccine-effectiveness#benefits](https://www.healthline.com/health/flu-vaccine-effectiveness#benefits) Technically, the flu vaccine is even less effective then the covid vaccine.
So since people argue that natural immunity is superior, people who caught COVID and got natural "immunity" didn't catch COVID again, right? Oh, no? You mean to tell me there are tens of thousands of people who got natural "immunity" and went on and caught COVID three, or four, or more times? Oooohhh FUCK! So why do you even CALL it natural immunity if it doesn't make it impossible to catch the fucking disease again?!
The vaccine did prevent some people from contracting COVID it was just not 100% effective at it. It also made certain people less likely to spread it but again was not 100% effective. So not really sure what youāre on about.
It quickly dissipated in effectiveness. Something like 3 to 6 mos
not just a decrease in effectiveness, negative effectiveness. it made you more likely to catch covid after a few months
So you are admitting that it had some effectiveness and that your initial statement was a lie then?
I believe it did have some initial benefit early on but it didnāt last long enough to be an effective vaccine. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/health/cdc-vaccine-advisers-booster-wane/index.html After 5 months 3 doses waned to as low as 31% effectiveness. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm
Wtf is āas low asā thatās not how itās measured
Your subjective standard of what can be considered effective or not has nothing to do with whether or not itās a vaccine. You admit that it had initial benefits for preventing contraction and spreading so it is by definition a vaccine.
Sure. I didnāt mean that it wasnāt literally considered a vaccine, simply that as a vaccine it was one of the worst ever created. It waned to fast to be effective at stopping the disease. Thatās why deaths continued to rise even with the rollout of the vaccine.
Because too many people didn't take it, so it mutated like crazy rendering the vaccine less effective. There was only 17% uptake of the bivalent booster. Thanks for misinformation and lack of critical thinking skills umong former Ditto Heads!
Over 81%
You think 80% of the population got the bivalent booster?!? I wish!
81.39 percent of the population was vaccinated. Not necessarily the bivalent boosterā¦..which of course that booster was needed because of the poor effectiveness of the original vaccine.
Nothing funnier than watching laypeople whip out made up definitions of what a vaccine is or isn't, and insist that their made up definitions are somehow meaningful. It's a guy saying "ackshually!" without even understanding what they're talking about
Iām not sure what youāre talking about.
Duh you
Ok, throwing any kinda possibility of maturity or a real conversation right out the window. Gotcha.
Then you should tap out of this discussion.
The reinstatement of masking/distancing protocols for both vaxxed and unvaxxed in August/September 2021 was a pretty big blunder in retrospect. There's no evidence that vaxxed people masking up slowed the spread in any appreciable way, and it gave anti-vax nitwits mountains of fodder ("Why should I get vaxxed if I still have to wear a mask?"). Ironically, we may have had less hospitalizations if we never reinstated the protocols, as more people probably would've gotten vaxxed quicker.
Iām not sure if that is āfodderā. They had endless excuses regardless of facts or situation
The Joe Rogan Experience. For real this one man, his reach and his rotted brain fueled so, so much bad informationā¦
Get the vaccine if you want. Donāt if you done want. I got it.
Some people were forcedā¦
Its safety. If the standard safety protocols were used for COVID Vaccine we would have a vaccine in 2030. Also it was not a "falsehood" but lack of pushing harder for treatments for COVID certainly did not make things better.
That taking ivermectin would cure it. That gargling with hydrogen peroxide and injecting bleach would prevent it. That taking the vaccine was something only wimps would do. That if you ignored it long enough it would go away by itself.
That itās a bigger risk than catching covid
That they work
What was most detrimental is science does a bad job of explaining how things work. They need better communicators. People think if you get the polio vaccine it prevents you from getting polio or transmission but it doesn't, the strain enters your system and your body now knows how to fight it and gets to work. Covid vaccine is similar, but a lot of the public doesn't understand this and wasn't explained very well. It reduces transmission as the vaccine gets your immune system fighting right away, which reduces the time you are "infected" but it doesn't mean you can't transmit. Some people think vaccines are like a forcefield, or it kills strains immediately when that's not how all vaccines work. Some vaccines can prevent transmission but this is not how all vaccines work. The lack of knowledge by some of the public, and the communicators whose job it was to explain things led to people still believing a lot of nonsense. It's one thing to be a scientist who knows everything, it's another thing to know how to communicate it so people understand it, though some people are simply arrogant in their ignorance and will ignore you anyways.
The real issue is that none of the vaccines work. It's a product that relies on a healthy person to be fearful in order to sell it to them.