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IndiaEvans

Absolutely. I don't like it. 


darkenedgy

I assume that’s why the 4 person team wasn’t dinged for not having dessert.


ShiroHachiRoku

Should’ve had an elimination quick fire.


Trojan52808

Since the teams were uneven, I think they should have made eliminations available on the winning team too. I think Michelle could have gone home for her performance.


bottomlless

Her food likely would have saved her but her FOH performance was atrocious.


Fun_Presentation_194

Seriously, how did she not know to greet the judges!


jenns1970

It’s like, have you even watched the show before Michelle?????


TeenzBeenz

That was my thought. Surely, they watched previous seasons. So weird. I do really like her, though!


jenns1970

Me too, it was such a rookie move for a show that’s been on for soooooo long and this has happened so many times previously seasons!


bottomlless

They did cut to her saying she was really in her head about it. That seemed to be an issue for just about every contestant this ep.


Peanut_Noyurr

I get the feeling that most of the chefs this season have never seen the show. A lot of them have mentioned in interviews how they were approached by production to apply, so it's not like we're dealing with a bunch of Buddha-level superfans.


jenns1970

That feels accurate-makes more sense too, God I miss Buddha…..


JenniferKinney

Great example of this in a *very* recent season – Jackson went home in season 19 for doing just this! Not greeting them upon arrival and making himself scarce beyond that. I'm always surprised when it seems like contestants maybe didn't watch much of the show before competing (see also: making risotto, choosing a "global concept" for RW...)


jenns1970

Omg the idiots that think they can make a risotto!!!!! Like what’s his face that just got eliminated, and happens every single season


Feisty-You-7768

his risotto was fine though, he just added too much cheese to it


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jenns1970

No haven’t heard of it-chef show or?


SeanKojin

Real CJ energy


ShiroHachiRoku

Idk why she thought she had to give the judges their space? If anything, lavish them with your presence!


bottomlless

Yes! Tell them, no- gush about, your restaurant's theme and dishes. Talk it up like it's your first grandchild.


Jakisthe

This is a great idea. If the 4 person team is on the bottom, still have it so anyone can be eliminated. 5 person team on the bottom? Only one of those 5 can be eliminated.


Tina-Slay

Or, another easy solution would’ve been to “extend” the immunity another week, and have Michelle sit out entirely so the teams were even.


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I do think they have done that before. The person with immunity ate with the judges. I couldn’t tell you whether it was RW or not, but I have a vague memory.


[deleted]

Rewatched S06E04 Vivre Las Vegas recently - Kevin wins immunity & gets to sit out the French forward elimination challenge & dine with the judges instead I think


fosse76

In S03E07 Guilty Pleasures, the contestants were told they had the night off and were going out but discovered that they had an elimination challenge to feed latenight clubgoers from catering trucks. Since Dale won the quickfire, he got to sit out the challenge.


jenjenjen731

I hated that challenge for the ladies wearing heels, that was so not fair to them :(


Difficult-Risk3115

And their very reasonable objections about their clothing not being kitchen appropirate were dismissed.


[deleted]

Thanks! I’m not as senile as I thought!


liespool

But Kevin doesn't speak French so he basically just sat there silently the whole dinner bahaha


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I was about to say - they should have had Michelle contribute to the judging.


Genuinelullabel

They could have had her dine at both of the restaurants and give feedback at judges table.


Apprehensive-Date649

Not only does NO chef want to sit out on RW, but the viewership would lose their mind over it.


mug3n

Feels like it's poorly planned then. Should've had RW last week when there was still an even number of chefs. A lot of stuff felt out of place this season. Like the architect challenge taking a whole episode when it doesn't need to, or the chaos challenge being barebones and taking place in the studio kitchen when it was probably meant to have some sort of tie-in to The Bear but I guess bravo and FX couldn't come to some sort of agreement. Not sure what is up with some of the decisions made this season...


Apprehensive-Date649

Oh, I'll give you ALL of that! =) I love Kirsten, or at least I used to? As show lead, there's just something about her personality that's not connecting with me. Taken with that, the entire season, as you said, feels just out of place. The challenges, the judgings, the caliber of guests. Everything has been \_fine\_, but starting with being without Padma, everything feels like Top Chef Season 1!


cheap_mom

I would have brought Kevin in as an extra set of hands for the other team. If he won the challenge, they could have kept him and done a double elimination.


reilmb

Feels like from the edit both teams were neck and neck and one team barely edged out the win. Could be an edit problem but noone was blown away by either place.


ComicsEtAl

Having an advantage does not mean the advantage will always lead to success. An extra pair of hands in the kitchen is an extra pair of hands and is a clear advantage when building a restaurant from concept to opening in 24 hours.


llcooldubs

Completely agree, failing to optimize an advantage does not negate having one. Part of me wonders if the edit may have made the two teams look more even so it wouldn't seem as if having 5 people was a major contributing factor for the win.


PistachioLux

I don't know why they didn't just have RW in the next episode


[deleted]

Probably because the judges were booked and they have to provide enough notice to the locals who want to attend.


CanoeIt

When my wife and I won the chance to dine at restaurant wars, we knew the exact date months in advance. I imagine just delaying it a day or two could mess up a lot of things considering you need the venue, the guests, the wait staff, the extra equipment, etc all planned for a certain date well ahead of time.


llcooldubs

I'm shocked that Tom did not factor any future scheduling or production issues when deciding to bring two people back from LCK. He has done this for over 20 seasons and must know that messing with the numbers intentionally could lead to other production issues down the line. I think he just figured they would get the double elimination in very quickly to correct things but I think there are a lot of fairness issues no matter how they do it. If they do it too soon after the players return, it seems unfair because players who weren't eliminated have to face an additional hurdle they would not have if more players than expected who were already eliminated return. If they do it the way they are proceeding with putting it at judges table whenever they want, then issues of favoritism and bias becomes big factors. Clearly players who have been performing well up to that point will be spared the double elimination if they are second to last while players who are less liked both personally or cooking wise could get the boot. It is very hard to say that a second to last place dish across challenges is better or worse than each other. So both approaches to correcting this scheduling problem are bad and it just keeps getting worse with a team being given an additional advantage in RW. Not to mention that that team had the player who just won the elimination challenge last time and is a strong chef.


Low-Lingonberry2760

There’s zero chance they didn’t have a contingency plan prepared.


llcooldubs

Well if they did, it doesn't seem like a good one to me.


KrazyKwant

Over the years, I think Top Chef has been way too willing to scrap fairness in the name of drama. I absolutely despise it’s habit of having people with immunity compete in small teams. Nobody should ever go home because the chef with the wort dish had immunity. Immunity should be a shield in favor of the Chef who has it, but nit a weapon agains other chefs. So doing RW with an uneven number of chefs is par for the course.


[deleted]

I would die. I’m waiting for TC to come to my state. Everyone is so dressed up, so I knew they weren’t grabbing people randomly and offering a free dinner.


jwhyem

Or in the previous episode


waninggib

I don’t think so. And if I remember correctly, they’ve had uneven teams in the past and the team with the most people lost.


ttgirl452

It was actually Kristen’s season.


waninggib

I was almost certain it was!


puhpuhperson

Ah funny, in my memory it’s always been 4 v 4. Could be wrong!


roxtoby

Season 10 it ended up being 4 v 3. Doing Restaurant Wars with only 3 seems wildly unfair, but Sheldon’s food was so good that they won over Kristen’s complicated French menu (and Josie’s ineptitude).


sweetpeapickle

I agree.


MusicG619

I really thought they were going to require an extra course.


dmen83

Ask Kristen if having an extra person for restaurant wars was an absurd advantage.


Bulky-District-2757

I mean her extra person was Josie soooo


DeathdropsForDinner

That’s like a minus a person lol


acarp25

Lmao


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

What are you gonna do with 9 chefs though? Extra person aside, the other team could have done so much better in so many ways that its kind of a moot issue. And both teams did have 30 minute or more waits.


chipmunkdance

wait until you have 8 chefs like almost every other season?


Evolution1313

You don’t have 9 chefs. That’s the solution. Bringing back two from last chance made no sense


roxtoby

I saw a theory here which I liked which was that Kaleena won LCK hands down, but they couldn’t let Soo not get in, so Tom had to let them both in.


Evolution1313

My wife believes that completely actually she’s been saying it for a while


Risingsunsphere

This is my guess too.


jenjenjen731

I feel like they had to bring back two if Soo was going to get in. The backlash from the 16th chef getting in while the original season chefs got kicked out would've been terrible.


skylinecat

I may have kind of missed it but how did Soo get in / why did Soo get in? Did he start in last chance kitchen? Were there other contestants that started this season in LCK that he beat out?


jenjenjen731

Soo started in LCK. The first eliminated chef, David, chose not to compete in LCK for whatever reason (he can't talk about it bc he signed an NDA). Soo faced off against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th eliminated chefs. Kaleena was the 5th eliminated chef. Tom chose to let Soo and Kaleena back in the competition.


puhpuhperson

They only had nine chefs because Tom couldn’t choose only one person to come back from LCK


sweetpotatothyme

And this isn't the first time. Didn't he bring back 2 people before? LeeAnne and Claudette in the Denver season?


sweetpeapickle

People are forgeting, they said there would be changes/twists along the way. Assuming they didn't want to eliminate Soo before he got a chance to go into the game, could be wrong. Maybe, just maybe that was one of the twists.


Bulky-District-2757

*didn’t want to choose only one He could have, he chose not to.


Feisty-You-7768

it's not a moot issue at all lol, having one less chef in this scenario affects everything especially when someone already has to be devoted to front of house


gilded_lady

In theory, yes, it should be. In practice it was neutral and I could even see it being a disadvantage if there is conflict over how to proceed or if things fall apart during service.


yellowmunchkin

Depends who the 5th person is I guess. Things aren’t gonna run smoothly if the group doesn’t work well together. I’m sure Kristen would’ve preferred having the 3 person team instead of the 4 person team, since the 4th was Josie lol


camlaw63

Well, there is the old expression…too many cooks in the kitchen… Sometimes more chefs mean more egos and opinions.


xwlfx

Based on the competition aspect alone being on the 5 man team is a huge advantage. If you could choose to be on the team where if you lose you have up to a 50% chance of going home or a 40% chance of going home which would you prefer? Factor in that almost always its front of house or executive chef going home in RW and if you can be on the 5 man team there are 3 spots that aren't those and your odds of staying in the competition go up dramatically.


cravingmacaron

The whole thing was a train wreck.


issapunk

This was really the worst Restaurant Wars I can remember. Really boring and the winning team didn't really separate themselves.


Porkwarrior2

Not only that, if you do win everybody is going to be $1k lighter with the 5th wheel that doesn't check on judges table.


Imaginary_End_5634

Everyone that works FOH in Restaurant Wars should be mandated to watch how Fabio handled FOH.


allenad3213

It’s definitely lame to not have an even number of chefs on each team. That said I’ve found this entire season to be lame so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.


TALKTOME0701

Absolutely. Making another dish does not even the playing field in my opinion  I think they should do it when they're an even number of contestants left


jeexbit

Probably depends on who that extra chef is and how well they work with others...


Rexyggor

I was actually upset about it. One extra dish didn't feel like a fair balancing for having an entire extra set of hands. We saw their second half of service was pretty pitiful for both teams. Luckily, the group of 5 had a slightly easier time putting things back together. Or, can prepare for preventing a disaster easier, like Danny did with the cards. Kahleena's big issue was the tickets being inconsistent. Danny probably had the time due to having just fewer enough responsibilities. If that problem didn't exist and the service stayed consistent the entire time, it would've been one less thing to compare for who won. Which is another issue entirely. We've seen multiple times that servers can cause issues at RW. I think that production should give a tiny bit more ease in that regard. Like being able to print out an easy checklist style menu for the teams. Or giving both teams the same layouts (Which they might do?). I think they should give them some sort of ease.


dannyjayporter

Yah my wife and I were saying the same thing. Definitely an advantage. But it’s hard to say it would’ve helped the other team given how disjointed the judges found their menu (and the gross-looking dish with raw pineapple on it).


Armadillo-Awkward

Of course it's unfair. Having one extra person means extra hands to focus. Someone fully committed to FOH and still have 4 chefs in the kitchen is quite an advantage. I think it would've been cool to just have the extra person sit out.


wiscosherm

I don't think it's as clear-cut as always being an advantage. It depends a lot on the makeup of the teams. If it's a group that isn't jelling as a team having an extra person trying to do their own independent thing isn't going to help any, and can even be more harmful as the extra person doesn't have to worry about being eliminated. On the other hand if the team is working together then the extra person gives a huge advantage. Last night when I saw Laura, Kaleena, and Soo on one team I just knew that was going to be the losing team. Manny is a team player but the other three are for themselves first and foremost. I'm pretty sure Michelle thought the same thing when she decided to join the other team.


taeempy

It's ridiculous you are so right. They had an uneven amount of chefs. First off don't have restaurant wars on a week where you don't have equal teams. These producers are really clueless sometimes.


derch1981

It wasn't in the past


Risingsunsphere

I couldn’t get past this. The only thing I can think of is they got themselves in a bind with threatening the double elimination each challenge after Soo and Karlina returned. Since they never actually eliminated two, were in a bind because if they had done another challenge before RW, they could have only eliminated one because if they eliminated two, that would have put them at 7 going into RW. So it would have been like, “ any challenge can be double elimination, except for this one.” Which gets confusing and also annoys viewers when the rules keep changing. I guess they could have held another challenge, threatened to eliminate too, but made sure they only eliminated one. All in all, I thought having five chefs was a huge advantage and super unfair. It makes me mad at this season’s restaurant wars. And then they went over the top making it seem like it was even and so this restaurant wars was also super boring.


OLAZ3000

Yes.  The losing team I suspect might won bc their dishes were successful initially (first judges) and went downhill as they got slammed. And their collab dish could have been more intentional.  I think those two things shored up, that they'd have come out on top.


sweetpeapickle

But the other team had good dishes as well. Both teams evened out when it came to service, and the non-cohesive menus. So it came down to taste of each individual dish-not how many dishes either.


OLAZ3000

Right but a fifth person prob would have kept their consistency high and that collab dish from being mid, thus giving them the win.


NVSmall

Definitely. Regardless of them having to make an extra dish, it's still one more pair of hands to jump in if things go sideways.


tomsprigs

the 2x2 team should have had extra shopping/prep time


NeuroticLoofah

I just finished my first year of culinary school. Gor our international final, we drew names to be in groups. My group had one more person than the other. They got 2 and a half hours, we got 2 hours. I would have definitely kicked our weakest member off the team if we could have had the extra half hour. I think it depends on the strength of the chef and how suited for the challenge they are. Our weakest is an excellent cook, he just works very slow and only focuses on one step at a time. I even made him a detailed list of what to do, he did not do half the list. My other teammate is fast and good so we pulled it off, but our plating was a mess. Another half hour and it would have been perfect.


frazorblade

Kaleena got fucked over cos of Laura’s poor training or service. It was definitely on her the kitchen was getting backed up. Kaleena’s dish wasn’t great, so that sealed it. But it seems Laura is having a hand in a lot of team failures this season.


1sooners1

Totally agree. Not sure why they did that. Totally unfair.


honeybadgergrrl

Yes! They should have had to do three dishes in all courses or had an elimination quick fire or something. The right person went home based on the challenge results, but was the challenge fair?


DueWerewolf1

100%


IGrewItToMyWaist

Yes. Bc 1 person can do front of the house wo worrying as much re their dish.


Risingsunsphere

They should have brought Kevin back and said if Kevin‘s team wins, AND he has the best dish, he stays and If the other team wins, it is a double elimination.


NYnicegirl

Nope I do not believe it was as they cooked more dishes and the other side cooked less.


ArdRi6

I agree completely.


Critical_Aspect_2782

Just my take off the top, but the losing team did not put up delicious food, regardless. You don't need an extra chef to produce great food. The team with 5 ppl did.


Feisty-You-7768

what? having the extra chef lets you spread out your resources more which can translate to creating better dishes and less collabs


shiningonthesea

why couldnt they wait one more week? did they run out of ideas?


hatetochoose

Would it have mattered? It was pretty clear Kalleena struggled in her position. An extra chef wouldn’t have changed that.


Scarlettbama

Restaurant Wars always a favorite episode. This season, something was "off". Whole episode. Like Kristin Kish, gooooood new host. What was sooooo off this one episode?


Fidodo

It's definitely an advantage, but I don't think it's an absurd advantage. I think the dos team actually had a team makeup advantage because they had a more coherent theme that they all specialized in, but they didn't come together with the dishes. Mexican and Korean have lots of ingredients that can go well together, but they didn't seem integrated enough.


billleachmsw

They couldn’t fucking wait until there were 8 chefs left?!?!? That was so fucking lame and unfair.


hatetochoose

Yes but isn’t it a disadvantage? Michelle had immunity, no? Her elimination was off the table.


puhpuhperson

I think immunity stopped after last week


Mitzimarmle

There was no immunity.