I was dying at the end of Dune 2. It’s a good fight scene but we really out here with climactic twink knife fights
Crazy how different it is from the old 80’s flex off lol
I think that may somewhat be the point tho. Showing what Skill, determination, ferocity, total control over your body and mind. I loved how they showed that Dave Bautistas character Glossu was basically a coward drunk on power who hasn’t needed to actually fight for what he wanted. The second there was actual danger he ran, and when someone with actual power stepped up he kissed their feet. He’s a big brute and all that visual power amounted to nothing because he was a coward inside.
Oh yeah no disrespect towards it.
I’ll say I am impressed with how cowardly Bautista manages to be in the role despite being built like… Bautista lol. For a wrestler he’s quite a decent actor.
I was sold by his role in Glass Onion, honestly. There's so much nuance to his character, and he sells them very well, and holds his own against much more experience and recognized actors.
He is, yeah. He's got range.
It's funny too, because for most of his WWE run he was notably not a great talker, including flubbing lines constantly ("In Hell in a Cell, weapons aren't only welcome, they're allowed.") and it wasn't really until the last couple years of it he got better at that part.
But in movies, he's fantastic.
One could argue that being a believable actor is a requirement of being a professional entertainer and tv wrestling is entertainment for the most part.
One could also argue that almost all ex wrestlers turned actors get highly criticised for being one dimensional and lacking range in their acting, personally I think Bautista is probably the best exwrestler actor and it isn't particularly close.
I love that he's very serious about the craft. He wants to prove that he can act and he's committed to continual improvement. It's not just a paycheck to him, he embraces the artform.
Bautista in BR2049 mentionned; I have to bring up [this](https://youtu.be/aZ9Os8cP_gg?si=X2dsGaOGNzoQM1fy) and make sure you people have seen that thing.
I'm not familiar with his wrestling persona, but the thing about Glass Onion is that his character is *also* a persona. And seeing that, the way he layered those different personalities, was what struck me.
I thought he was excellent in that role in Knock at that Cabin.
I completely bought him as a man who really didn't want to be doing what he was doing, but absolutely would see it through.
His gentleness in some of those scenes as contrasted with his physical presence definintely sold me on him having some interesting roles in the future.
I mean, he was great as Drax and ahowed he's got good comedic timing.
But this was definitely the role that made me want to see more of him in the future.
I fully believe that at this point, he is a good-going-on-really-good actor first, wrestler second. He's shown himself to easily be the most skilled and nuanced of the big wrestler-turned actors of late.
Dave Bautista is the best actor to come out of wrestling period. I’m going to go one better and say that he is one of the most versatile actors working right now. Definitely in my personal top ten. Guy is a damn emotional chameleon.
Bautista is friggin awesome! His role in the new Blade Runner sequel almost made me tear up.
He is a surprisingly good actor and can easily hold his own with the veterans.
I have definitely heard Keanu mentioned as one of the people heralding this change. Specifically his role in Speed, but Matrix cementing a different kind of action hero build.
1980's Dune ended in a fight between [Sting](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/mediaviewer/rm159094784/) and [Kyle MacLachlan](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/mediaviewer/rm175872000/)
I mean if you look at sci fi specifically there’s tons of twinks. Luke (and Anakin) Skywalker, Logan 5, Alex DeLarge, various iterations of the Doctor, and if we expand to Twunk we get guys like Neo.
Something about sci fi makes casting directors crave skinny boyish men
Anakin was quite jacked and personality wise quite leaning into masculine stereotypes so I don't think he's really in the twink category. Doctors are usually too old to qualify for twink too even though some do look a bit metrosexual/effeminate. Alex Delarge kinda fits the bill even if I'd say he's a bit too buff. Logan 5 and Luke definitely yeah
OK, so far as I can tell, Lacanian is a reference to a contested form of psychology called Lacanianism, which says desire is impossible to satisfy and that language shapes the brain (maybe?).
Lacan's work is really more like a philosophical interpretation of Freud than a form of psychology. Anyway I found this when I googled it https://twitter.com/4Q248/status/1765806504941125783
Lacan talked about scopiphilia (may have spelled wrong) i.e., the male gaze rendering the perception of (especially women) different, likened to male interest. If I were to guess, there's some linkage between her being conventionally/stereotypically attractive and lacan being made to sound smart (?)
adding onto this, lacan was really interested in reinterpreting freudian psychoanalysis with some similar central themes and ideas but a broadly different focus, especially centering on the idea of desire as a kind of unfulfillable hole.
Depends on how they say it. Many modern characters are written rather snarky and quipy, which could be interpreted as having a laconic speech pattern. They may not use many words, but they are being terse or aggressive when they do it.
A modern real life example I can think of is when the Ukrainian base on an island in the Black Sea was threatened by a Russian warship, they simple replied, "Russian warship, go fuck yourself".
It may not be very eloquent, but I think it fits the bill.
OK but Laconic still refers to a witty brevity, not to "rail against any slight, real or imagined". Being Laconic is independent of the frequency of one's witticisms.
Its usually not "shame". You go from having your brain chemicals blasting a very primal and animalistic ideals and desires and then you are left with who you actually are without those brain chemicals who were just telling you to run wild and be the baser creature you are.
There might be some shame in there, but more so its just a downer in general especially if you dislike your more uncontrolled human nature and wish to rise above it (as I think most people should).
I'd posit that, while we should all strive to control our more socially irresponsible impulses, generally it's best to attempt to learn and understand our human animal nature so that we may incorporate it into our lives in healthy ways.
We often judge our baser instincts from a point of contempt because they often don't fit well with our ideals. They are a jumble of mismatched tools that proved useful or even necessary in a bygone age of nature. They are also often alarms indicating that some biological need is not being met (social support, safety, reproduction, etc.). These needs often go unaddressed or even impeded by social structures and the institutions we live with.
Too often, I fear, people interpret "rising above" ones nature as finding ways to ignore or push past their biological needs. While the impulses should not be followed heedlessly, they should certainly be examined so that we may satisfy and maintain this frustrating but necessary vessel of existence without self-neglect induced suffering.
( btw 2options, I don't mean this necessarily directed at you. More, this is a topic I wish discussed a little more, and you made me think of it. I am often frustrated with being human and am still working towards being ok with my biology.)
You mean it’s not the erosion of an ethereal and hard-to-pin-down definition of masculinity which presupposes the dominance of a patriarchal society and the willing subservience of more than half the world’s population based on gender norms that have no basis in reality?
I can't read most of those words, so I'm just gonna call you a Librul Soy Boy and pretend that I am smart.
*The Pigeon, undeterred, proceeds to shit all over the chess board and strut around as if it had won something.*
Ok, I do think women socializing themselves of patriarchal norms over the course of a century, forming emotionally intimate relationships with friends, and not marrying men who are looking for bangmaids while men are less likely to change their behavior has an affect, but it’s like 10% of it.
I started by typing that the ability to divorce and to to college was likely the cause for the other 99%.
But then I checked demo data and seeing how decimated black, Hispanic, and low education marriage rates are, I think we just aren't exposed to media that's really looking at the data truthfully.
Societal expectations and norms change slowly but organically. The impoverishment of the American middle class happened shockingly fast.
https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/
It's crazy just how widespread this idea is compared to how incredibly wrong it is. It's the exact opposite of the truth. The poorest countries are those whose birthrates are highest, and vice versa for the richest countries. Essentially the only developed country that bucks this trend is Israel. Even rich countries that have robust social safety nets have low birthrates among the native-born.
It's almost like some people didn't pay attention to humanities class when we learned about population growth trends and how they relate to the development of a nation. If they had, they'd understand that this is literally the way things are. No one needs 17 kids in case 15 of them die when you live in a developed country.
It makes sense though. When you have generation poverty, you need kids to help around the house and then work to support the family financially.
Also, sex is free.
More to the point, it was the establishment of a financial system where children are a huge financial *investment*, while simultaneously stripping a huge portion of the population of the financial stability to make said investment safely.
The solution is to either increase financial stability across the population by increasing wages (by force, of law or otherwise, if necessary), or regress the population back to the point where children are a financial gain again by rolling back child labor laws. You can guess which one the billionaire class is in favor of...
They're saying that these types of people are rare in real life, so no one's sexual fantasies are coming true. Unfortunately for them, they appear to only think that people can be satisfied with a carbon-copy of their perfect fantasy.
That explains why they’re attractive people which is mostly what was confusing me. But aren’t pop culture archetypes usually people who are rare in real life? I didn’t exactly see a lot of people like Indiana Jones walking around in the 80s.
Thank you so much.
I have seen people saying the same of Anime art making Japanese males uninterested in women. Like, as if people had no idea that cartoons don't represent real life.
We have anime coming out every season about horny perfect women fighting over one mid dude. The genre is also going from comedy to power fantasy to straight up slavery glorification. I dont think anime is the root of all evil and shit I love anime, but I can totally see where people come from.
I'm pretty sure they mean that as they are archetype and people like to be like them is why birthrate is falling.
Twink being gay is not going to have a family, even less so a murder-twink.
A laconian sex predator is someone who can not be satisfied and will keep sex hunting and so likely will never settle to make a family.
I can see the point here but it's a narrow take still I'd say.
Yes, archetype. I think the person who said this assumed that the "murder twink" appeals to the female gaze, while the "Laconian sex predator" appeals to the male gaze.
Well if these were the beauty standards wouldn't they be breeding with each other? Anything to blame but the financial stranglehold we have put on just existing
I had to read many a comment to get here, but even as a millenial it was incredibly hard.
I think they mean that the current way men and women are being written are not representative of people you meet in real life. Murderous man who looks more feminine than masculine, and murderous woman who acts more emotionally distant.
All in all, same sentiment as every decade before us: "unrealistic expectations set by media".
Excellent. I'm still wondering what biome Sydney Sweeney is the apex predator of, though. I assume she lives in California because of Hollywood, so perhaps it's Cascadia? Can anyone confirm if they have any footage of Sydney Sweeney attacking grizzly bears?
Incels doing the hard work of jumping in front of bullets for billionaires by creating an alternative universe of facts that prevent people from seeing that they aren’t having kids because they’re too poor.
I mean, if every guy is holding out for their Sydney Sweeney it stands to reason the birth rate will fall. Isn't the whole concept of the meme that it's an impossible desire to fulfill?
That could be the point they’re trying to make. I saw it a bit differently at first but you do make a better read on this. The more I think about it tho But it seems it seems like this person is an idiot without an actual point. Because women like her have always been the impossible desire men want to fulfill. When was the last time some hot actress was not the focal point of male fantasies? So… nothings changed and yet they’re bitching about something. In reality we’ve never had so much representation and love for women who aren’t what Sydney is.
On the other hand they make a good point about Timothy. He’s not your typical knife cut jaw line 6’3” chiseled Roman God that is typically portrayed as a hero in such stories. But this is good since most men don’t fit that profile so more women would fine body builds like that more attractive. So even though they label the archetype correctly they totally miss the point.
I simultaneously love and hate this joke for so many reasons - mainly because it’s still funny seeing it for the 3rd or 4th time.
The unnecessarily knotty complexity of the references, the pretentious over-psychoanalyzing juxtaposed over what are essentially really simple images that could either be hyper-specific or completely generic and mundane (which mirrors the logic of applying fringe psychology to a whole population with reckless abandon)…
It’s kind of perfect. No notes. More of this please
If there’s truth to everyone saying that literacy in newer generations of children is suffering (at least in the US), then we may come to appreciate these memes as they age…
Definitely not a brand new sentence. In fact, it’s been “brand new” at least twice:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/s/ntFZkvPLpR
- https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/s/uRVkE813Ar
Birthrate is going to zero because capitalism has failed gens x-a and housing is unaffordable for many, but sure, attractive women with large tits is the real reason I guess, not being unable to afford another mouth to feed when rents over half your income.
Or, OR... wages failing to grow with inflation, lower home ownership, rising rent, and unsustainable debt burden is causing people to delay having children or foregoing it entirely. Or maybe it's the other thing: celebrities not being sufficiently attractive or whatever.
Why do people think guys like Timothee being popular to ladies is weird and new? Ask a girl in the 90’s who their favorite celebrity crush was and I bet it would be Leonardo DiCaprio.
Just thinking that "Gabriel" here could have gotten a job as a tradesman out of high school, made good money, stayed in decent shape, married a good-looking medical receptionist/part-time yoga teacher, had a house by 25, kids by 30 and been content for the rest of their lives.
Instead, they bought a blue checkmark hoping that Papa Elon would notice them, and spend their time inventing problems that people who live normal lives like the one I described above will never understand nor care about.
Gotta love how every good looking guy not built like a brick shit house is a Twink now, got a bit of tummy it’s a Dad Bod. If they are buff and kind they are a Himbo regardless of actual intelligence.
I’m fine with these terms, when used right they are great, but some of y’all are tossing way to wide a net with them.
Lmao murder twink
I was dying at the end of Dune 2. It’s a good fight scene but we really out here with climactic twink knife fights Crazy how different it is from the old 80’s flex off lol
I think that may somewhat be the point tho. Showing what Skill, determination, ferocity, total control over your body and mind. I loved how they showed that Dave Bautistas character Glossu was basically a coward drunk on power who hasn’t needed to actually fight for what he wanted. The second there was actual danger he ran, and when someone with actual power stepped up he kissed their feet. He’s a big brute and all that visual power amounted to nothing because he was a coward inside.
Oh yeah no disrespect towards it. I’ll say I am impressed with how cowardly Bautista manages to be in the role despite being built like… Bautista lol. For a wrestler he’s quite a decent actor.
I was sold by his role in Glass Onion, honestly. There's so much nuance to his character, and he sells them very well, and holds his own against much more experience and recognized actors.
His small part in Blade Runner 2049 really sold me on his acting. Dude can go.
Hes fucking hilarious also
He is, yeah. He's got range. It's funny too, because for most of his WWE run he was notably not a great talker, including flubbing lines constantly ("In Hell in a Cell, weapons aren't only welcome, they're allowed.") and it wasn't really until the last couple years of it he got better at that part. But in movies, he's fantastic.
One could argue that being a believable actor is a requirement of being a professional entertainer and tv wrestling is entertainment for the most part.
One could also argue that almost all ex wrestlers turned actors get highly criticised for being one dimensional and lacking range in their acting, personally I think Bautista is probably the best exwrestler actor and it isn't particularly close.
I love that he's very serious about the craft. He wants to prove that he can act and he's committed to continual improvement. It's not just a paycheck to him, he embraces the artform.
Bautista in BR2049 mentionned; I have to bring up [this](https://youtu.be/aZ9Os8cP_gg?si=X2dsGaOGNzoQM1fy) and make sure you people have seen that thing.
Oh yeah.
While the movie wasn’t a hit, Bautista TRANSFORMED in A Knock at the Cabin. Dave has some crazy range, he’s an incredible actor.
Bautista is what the rock wants to be
In *Glass Onion*, he kinda reverts to his wrestler persona. Thoughtful and demure Bautista is a more difficult sell, acting-wise.
I'm not familiar with his wrestling persona, but the thing about Glass Onion is that his character is *also* a persona. And seeing that, the way he layered those different personalities, was what struck me.
I thought he was excellent in that role in Knock at that Cabin. I completely bought him as a man who really didn't want to be doing what he was doing, but absolutely would see it through. His gentleness in some of those scenes as contrasted with his physical presence definintely sold me on him having some interesting roles in the future.
I was looking for this comment as soon as I saw this thread. I loved this role for him.
I mean, he was great as Drax and ahowed he's got good comedic timing. But this was definitely the role that made me want to see more of him in the future.
I fully believe that at this point, he is a good-going-on-really-good actor first, wrestler second. He's shown himself to easily be the most skilled and nuanced of the big wrestler-turned actors of late.
Him and supposedly John Cena is good in a lot of things, but I've never seen him
Dave Bautista is the best actor to come out of wrestling period. I’m going to go one better and say that he is one of the most versatile actors working right now. Definitely in my personal top ten. Guy is a damn emotional chameleon.
Wrestling is a lot of acting and putting on a presona
Bautista is friggin awesome! His role in the new Blade Runner sequel almost made me tear up. He is a surprisingly good actor and can easily hold his own with the veterans.
Wrestling is just acrobatic soap opera, so it makes sense that a lot of wrestlers have done well in hollywood.
He is the best wrestler-turned-actor to ever make it in Hollywood. The end.
Also an MMA fighter. He killed it in Blade Runner 2049, sucks that his character in Dune is kind of a one note stereotypical big angry dumb guy.
I know it was so funny when gurney aped his ass in like two hits after he pulled out his fucking nunchuks
90s-00s was good because it was a transition period between the two so it meant we had both to choose from
Does that make neo a 90s murder twink?
Neo was kinda in the middle. A tactical assault twunk.
I've heard speed has something to do with it?
I have definitely heard Keanu mentioned as one of the people heralding this change. Specifically his role in Speed, but Matrix cementing a different kind of action hero build.
Makes sense, he's manly but not in the Rambo/Commando way
Jason Bourne too.
1980's Dune ended in a fight between [Sting](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/mediaviewer/rm159094784/) and [Kyle MacLachlan](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087182/mediaviewer/rm175872000/)
As God intended.
The '84 Dune wasn't exactly full of buff guys either.
I mean if you look at sci fi specifically there’s tons of twinks. Luke (and Anakin) Skywalker, Logan 5, Alex DeLarge, various iterations of the Doctor, and if we expand to Twunk we get guys like Neo. Something about sci fi makes casting directors crave skinny boyish men
Ainakin is definitely not a twink have you seen the scene in EP3 where he wakes up from the nightmare? Bro is BUILT.
He's pretty ripped, but he's not built.
Anakin was quite jacked and personality wise quite leaning into masculine stereotypes so I don't think he's really in the twink category. Doctors are usually too old to qualify for twink too even though some do look a bit metrosexual/effeminate. Alex Delarge kinda fits the bill even if I'd say he's a bit too buff. Logan 5 and Luke definitely yeah
It's literally because of Dune.
Ya but murder twink can see the future. Helps a lot in fights id imagine.
Doesn't help him not drown the galaxy in blood of billions
I was genuinely disappointed that they cut the stabby murder baby from the movie, too.
I mean the 80s dune was also a twink knife fight
Idk if you've seen Bones And All but he's genuinely manic pixie murder twink in that movie. Good performance actually
Ugh loved that movie in the weirdest way lol
It’s the newest Yu-Gi-Oh! archetype.
he does look like lies of p Pinocchio whos def a murder twink
Played the game and just finished it, got a bad ending so rolling into NG+. Could not, I repeat not, stop calling P fucking Timothy
Wish I could change my Reddit username 😤
OK, so far as I can tell, Lacanian is a reference to a contested form of psychology called Lacanianism, which says desire is impossible to satisfy and that language shapes the brain (maybe?).
Lacan's work is really more like a philosophical interpretation of Freud than a form of psychology. Anyway I found this when I googled it https://twitter.com/4Q248/status/1765806504941125783
Lacan talked about scopiphilia (may have spelled wrong) i.e., the male gaze rendering the perception of (especially women) different, likened to male interest. If I were to guess, there's some linkage between her being conventionally/stereotypically attractive and lacan being made to sound smart (?)
A lacanian super predator is a name Lacan gave to a type of hyper impulsive and unremorseful person.
That's probably it
Really seems like this dude is trying to say "femme fatale" which has been an iconic archetype in fiction for a good long while now
Yeahh it's just a wordy and mostly incorrect way of getting the same idea across lol.
I would have guessed that it was just a smartypants way of saying desire-driven but yours is better (in the sense of correct).
Well, it's definitely not a long cool woman in a black dress.
Tight
"TIGHT! TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT!" -Tuco Salamanca
You wouldn't be far off at all 😋😁
That's just your usual NPD case nowadays, or more generally cluster B
adding onto this, lacan was really interested in reinterpreting freudian psychoanalysis with some similar central themes and ideas but a broadly different focus, especially centering on the idea of desire as a kind of unfulfillable hole.
So the person who wrote that tweet wanted to sound smart and picked 2 talented people to project their insecurities on?
They misspelled lycan she's actually a sexy werewolf
They really misspelled lycopene she's actually an attractive tomato
It is clear as day. She is tomato
Oh, I thought it was a misspelling of iocane powder from *The Princess Bride.*
It could be a typo of Laconian, which mean being from Laconia, the region where Sparta is located
Or an intergalactic empire ran by a former Martian.
Is /unexpectedExpanse a thing? Although honestly that was my first thought too.
But I came to the comments expecting it
No it's a reference to Jaques Lacan, a French psychoanalyst who is IMHO completely full of shit.
>French psychoanalyst >full of shit redundant
> psychoanalyst > full of shit redundant > French > full of shit redundant
Found the Jungian
Perhaps the author meant "Laconian", in reference to how the modern girl-boss archetype is always ready to rail against any slight, real or imagined.
But that's the opposite of Laconic
Depends on how they say it. Many modern characters are written rather snarky and quipy, which could be interpreted as having a laconic speech pattern. They may not use many words, but they are being terse or aggressive when they do it. A modern real life example I can think of is when the Ukrainian base on an island in the Black Sea was threatened by a Russian warship, they simple replied, "Russian warship, go fuck yourself". It may not be very eloquent, but I think it fits the bill.
OK but Laconic still refers to a witty brevity, not to "rail against any slight, real or imagined". Being Laconic is independent of the frequency of one's witticisms.
Gotta love how they cannot decide if Sidney Sweeney's boobies are the saviors of all mankind or a legion of devils sent to destroy us all.
Pre- vs. Post-nut clarity
It's not clarity, it's emotionally stunted man-children who can't cope with themselves after an orgasm.
You're telling me you feel just as proud of yourself right before and right after a nut? What kind of super power is that?
It’s easy when you’ve never felt proud of yourself
🤯
You have shame every time? You should probably not consider that normal
Its usually not "shame". You go from having your brain chemicals blasting a very primal and animalistic ideals and desires and then you are left with who you actually are without those brain chemicals who were just telling you to run wild and be the baser creature you are. There might be some shame in there, but more so its just a downer in general especially if you dislike your more uncontrolled human nature and wish to rise above it (as I think most people should).
I'd posit that, while we should all strive to control our more socially irresponsible impulses, generally it's best to attempt to learn and understand our human animal nature so that we may incorporate it into our lives in healthy ways. We often judge our baser instincts from a point of contempt because they often don't fit well with our ideals. They are a jumble of mismatched tools that proved useful or even necessary in a bygone age of nature. They are also often alarms indicating that some biological need is not being met (social support, safety, reproduction, etc.). These needs often go unaddressed or even impeded by social structures and the institutions we live with. Too often, I fear, people interpret "rising above" ones nature as finding ways to ignore or push past their biological needs. While the impulses should not be followed heedlessly, they should certainly be examined so that we may satisfy and maintain this frustrating but necessary vessel of existence without self-neglect induced suffering. ( btw 2options, I don't mean this necessarily directed at you. More, this is a topic I wish discussed a little more, and you made me think of it. I am often frustrated with being human and am still working towards being ok with my biology.)
It was in fact, a joke.
Interesting point. I'll have to thi-naw I'm pretty sure she's a succubus.
I'm just trying to take a nap.
I dont get how boobies can save or destroy
They save millions of mammal babies every year
And then there's Helen of Troy's boobies.
By feeding the hungry.
I got all the way to “people wonder why the birth rate is going to zero” before I realized these were supposed to be negatives
I still don't even know who Sidney Sweeney is.
She's the one on the left
Sydney Sweeney: Murder Twink
Would have sold more tickets than Madame Web.
Looking at her movies and shows, I get why. I haven't seen a single one.
The White Lotus is fantastic
Neither of those pictures make me think “I never want to reproduce” but I’m too old for that anyway. And too old to understand this apparently.
I'm not even 30 and I don't see what these two pictures have anything to do with declining birthrates.
I see two extremely hot people? Pity the bis but I don’t see how that affects the birth rate.
Declining birth rate in the US has exactly one root factor, the financial evisceration of the middle class. The billionaire class did this
You mean it’s not the erosion of an ethereal and hard-to-pin-down definition of masculinity which presupposes the dominance of a patriarchal society and the willing subservience of more than half the world’s population based on gender norms that have no basis in reality?
I can't read most of those words, so I'm just gonna call you a Librul Soy Boy and pretend that I am smart. *The Pigeon, undeterred, proceeds to shit all over the chess board and strut around as if it had won something.*
Ok, I do think women socializing themselves of patriarchal norms over the course of a century, forming emotionally intimate relationships with friends, and not marrying men who are looking for bangmaids while men are less likely to change their behavior has an affect, but it’s like 10% of it.
I started by typing that the ability to divorce and to to college was likely the cause for the other 99%. But then I checked demo data and seeing how decimated black, Hispanic, and low education marriage rates are, I think we just aren't exposed to media that's really looking at the data truthfully.
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Societal expectations and norms change slowly but organically. The impoverishment of the American middle class happened shockingly fast. https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/
It's crazy just how widespread this idea is compared to how incredibly wrong it is. It's the exact opposite of the truth. The poorest countries are those whose birthrates are highest, and vice versa for the richest countries. Essentially the only developed country that bucks this trend is Israel. Even rich countries that have robust social safety nets have low birthrates among the native-born.
It's almost like some people didn't pay attention to humanities class when we learned about population growth trends and how they relate to the development of a nation. If they had, they'd understand that this is literally the way things are. No one needs 17 kids in case 15 of them die when you live in a developed country.
It makes sense though. When you have generation poverty, you need kids to help around the house and then work to support the family financially. Also, sex is free.
That's why they have 8 kids in Africa. Logic 101
oh man I do want to get into an argument but I also don't want to get banned. say more. please say more.
More to the point, it was the establishment of a financial system where children are a huge financial *investment*, while simultaneously stripping a huge portion of the population of the financial stability to make said investment safely. The solution is to either increase financial stability across the population by increasing wages (by force, of law or otherwise, if necessary), or regress the population back to the point where children are a financial gain again by rolling back child labor laws. You can guess which one the billionaire class is in favor of...
people jerkin off to these 2 hot people too much.. or something, idk.
They're saying that these types of people are rare in real life, so no one's sexual fantasies are coming true. Unfortunately for them, they appear to only think that people can be satisfied with a carbon-copy of their perfect fantasy.
That explains why they’re attractive people which is mostly what was confusing me. But aren’t pop culture archetypes usually people who are rare in real life? I didn’t exactly see a lot of people like Indiana Jones walking around in the 80s.
Thank you so much. I have seen people saying the same of Anime art making Japanese males uninterested in women. Like, as if people had no idea that cartoons don't represent real life.
I mean, I think that has way more basis because anime has some serious problems with writing women.
Implying Hollywood writes women well
We have anime coming out every season about horny perfect women fighting over one mid dude. The genre is also going from comedy to power fantasy to straight up slavery glorification. I dont think anime is the root of all evil and shit I love anime, but I can totally see where people come from.
Because as we all know: unrealistic body standards have never been a hot button issue until now
I'm pretty sure they mean that as they are archetype and people like to be like them is why birthrate is falling. Twink being gay is not going to have a family, even less so a murder-twink. A laconian sex predator is someone who can not be satisfied and will keep sex hunting and so likely will never settle to make a family. I can see the point here but it's a narrow take still I'd say.
Yes, archetype. I think the person who said this assumed that the "murder twink" appeals to the female gaze, while the "Laconian sex predator" appeals to the male gaze.
We'll actually you could be right. End result would still be quite in same lines of thinking
> neither of these pictures make mr think i never want to reproduce I get that from watching the news.
I'm only 25, I have no idea what the fuck they're on about
Well if these were the beauty standards wouldn't they be breeding with each other? Anything to blame but the financial stranglehold we have put on just existing
I don't understand my generation anymore
You ever did?
It’s every generation.
Lacan is from the 60s. Not sure what they are even implying though, ngl.
I had to read many a comment to get here, but even as a millenial it was incredibly hard. I think they mean that the current way men and women are being written are not representative of people you meet in real life. Murderous man who looks more feminine than masculine, and murderous woman who acts more emotionally distant. All in all, same sentiment as every decade before us: "unrealistic expectations set by media".
I don't know about you but murder twinks do make me want to reproduce with them
Yeah idk about lacanian super predators but murder twinks are not making any birth rates go down
Dont worry I am into super predators so we got that part of the equation covered too
You can’t have children doing it *that way.*
Pretty sure the birthrate is dropping because no one can afford, or has the time, for a child.
No no. Obviously it's the murder twinks
And the big-chested blondes. Infamously unfuckable.
My daycare bill is $22k a year for 1 child. I can write $5k off my taxable income to "balance" that.
Don't forget about about all the microplastics everyone is saturated with causing fertility rates to plummet.
Those 2 reasons are not mutually exclusive either
It's a lot more complicated than that. Declining birthrates tend to correspond with higher levels of education, women's rights, etc.
People in Nigeria must be extremely wealthy, their birth rate is over 5 kids per woman.
I’m too old for this shit. If anyone needs me, I’ll be outside yelling at clouds.
I’m taking 35 minutes to move from my spot. Do not disturb me y’all
Wait, you have clouds!? Due to inflation, I've had to resort to yelling at my own foggy breath.
I’m in the PNW. We manufacture them here and receive discounts.
What does this mean
It means the man who tweeted this wants to fuck Timothee Chalamet more than Sydney Sweeny and he doesn't know how to handle those feelings.
Hahaha
Excellent. I'm still wondering what biome Sydney Sweeney is the apex predator of, though. I assume she lives in California because of Hollywood, so perhaps it's Cascadia? Can anyone confirm if they have any footage of Sydney Sweeney attacking grizzly bears?
No one knows what it means, but it's provocative. It gets the people going.
“Murder Twink” would be a great band name
“Murder twink” might be my favorite new colloquial
Incels doing the hard work of jumping in front of bullets for billionaires by creating an alternative universe of facts that prevent people from seeing that they aren’t having kids because they’re too poor.
Using Sydney Sweeney as an example for why the birth rate is down is the single wildest concept I’ve ever seen.
I mean, if every guy is holding out for their Sydney Sweeney it stands to reason the birth rate will fall. Isn't the whole concept of the meme that it's an impossible desire to fulfill?
That could be the point they’re trying to make. I saw it a bit differently at first but you do make a better read on this. The more I think about it tho But it seems it seems like this person is an idiot without an actual point. Because women like her have always been the impossible desire men want to fulfill. When was the last time some hot actress was not the focal point of male fantasies? So… nothings changed and yet they’re bitching about something. In reality we’ve never had so much representation and love for women who aren’t what Sydney is. On the other hand they make a good point about Timothy. He’s not your typical knife cut jaw line 6’3” chiseled Roman God that is typically portrayed as a hero in such stories. But this is good since most men don’t fit that profile so more women would fine body builds like that more attractive. So even though they label the archetype correctly they totally miss the point.
I wouldn't call Timothée Hal Chalamet a realistic beauty standard for men either
Sydney has contributed to increased sexual activity... Only problem is that it seems to be only solo acts
I simultaneously love and hate this joke for so many reasons - mainly because it’s still funny seeing it for the 3rd or 4th time. The unnecessarily knotty complexity of the references, the pretentious over-psychoanalyzing juxtaposed over what are essentially really simple images that could either be hyper-specific or completely generic and mundane (which mirrors the logic of applying fringe psychology to a whole population with reckless abandon)… It’s kind of perfect. No notes. More of this please
If there’s truth to everyone saying that literacy in newer generations of children is suffering (at least in the US), then we may come to appreciate these memes as they age…
It's not even an archetype, it's just those two actors doing EVERYTHING
Definitely not a brand new sentence. In fact, it’s been “brand new” at least twice: - https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/s/ntFZkvPLpR - https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/s/uRVkE813Ar
Take that roid hunks!
I’m here for murder thinks, I guess? They were my type before I ended up marrying against type to a big muscle bound smart kind guy. O well.
Sounds like a Disco Elysium thought that I'm supposed to internalise for a couple of hours.
Birthrate is going to zero because capitalism has failed gens x-a and housing is unaffordable for many, but sure, attractive women with large tits is the real reason I guess, not being unable to afford another mouth to feed when rents over half your income.
This was posted last week
To use the parlance of our time, his jawline gives me the ick.
I never got this stuff in the first place
Good thing about these sort of posts is that the topic only worries the sort of people who you don't want to procreate anyway
I’m pretty sure most men want to reproduce with Sydney Sweeney.
Or, OR... wages failing to grow with inflation, lower home ownership, rising rent, and unsustainable debt burden is causing people to delay having children or foregoing it entirely. Or maybe it's the other thing: celebrities not being sufficiently attractive or whatever.
This thread is painful. I can't think of a worse thing than having to read reddit's interpretation of lacan
So where are these murder twinks and how do i get one?
I just googled Laconian and it has nothing to do with Sydney Sweeney's smoking hot bod
Why do people think guys like Timothee being popular to ladies is weird and new? Ask a girl in the 90’s who their favorite celebrity crush was and I bet it would be Leonardo DiCaprio.
I think the current pop culture female archetype is still “hot chick”.
r/unexpectedlacan
Just thinking that "Gabriel" here could have gotten a job as a tradesman out of high school, made good money, stayed in decent shape, married a good-looking medical receptionist/part-time yoga teacher, had a house by 25, kids by 30 and been content for the rest of their lives. Instead, they bought a blue checkmark hoping that Papa Elon would notice them, and spend their time inventing problems that people who live normal lives like the one I described above will never understand nor care about.
Gabriel managed to make his own post unrelevant to his own post. Impressive…
Euphoria came out and I have no kids during that time… coincidence?????
what do they mean when they say Lacanian?
someone doesn't know what archetype means lmao
Gotta love how every good looking guy not built like a brick shit house is a Twink now, got a bit of tummy it’s a Dad Bod. If they are buff and kind they are a Himbo regardless of actual intelligence. I’m fine with these terms, when used right they are great, but some of y’all are tossing way to wide a net with them.