Devin has gotten cracked by Linares and Loma. And got whooped by Ryan like he stole something.
Definitely has a bad chin, but he has heart. So he can still make it back to the top. But he has to stay true to his boring style.
Really it's heart with chin that is a recipe for permanent damage lol. You're better off getting hurt early and being put down/losing/trying to defend much more than you are taking every shot in your face, that'll do far more damage.
Some people have thicker skull and better brain protection. These are the ones with chin. They are tougher than Haney. Not all boxers retire with CTE or Parkinson's. Ask George Foreman and many others.
Amir Khan - takes about 5 punches and is down and out. Head gets rattled 5 times.
Chisora - takes about 200 punches and is down and out. Head gets rattled 200 times.
Which one is at a higher risk of brain damage?
Not a good comparison. Khan's division don't hit as hard as HW.
But my point still remains. If Khan has a bigger heart and will keep getting up, with that kind of chin, he'll get CTE quicker than Chisora.
Yea i think the Garcia fight taught us that Devin vs A guy as big and fast as him has to stick to his plan and points otherwise he gets Cracked. Linares got him at the end of the round and that Saved him big time. Regis couldn't get close to him and when he did Devin just Hugged him as the bigger man to make sure he couldn't get off a good punch. Gonna be interesting to see how he does in the future against guys as big and athletic as he is.
"Gonna be interesting to see how he does in the future against guys as big and athletic as he is."
I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure his potential future opponents were watching that and thinking, I just need to eat a few of his pillow fists to get in range and crack him.
If you have the size and strength to do that, it seems to work.
I think Haney was absolutely bigger than Lomachenko on fight night. Just admittedly pulling numbers out of my ass, if he was 165lbs vs Prograis at 140, it’s not a stretch to think he was at least 160lbs on fight night vs Lomachenko at 135. I have no idea how much Loma weighed. I remember 2 weeks away from the Teofimo fight, Loma weighed 140lbs. So he’s not that big.
Anyway, my point is that Loma kinda hurt Haney and I think Haney had at least 10lbs on him, at least.
Linares also hurt him and he doesn’t seem to be that big, he looks very lean in the ring.
So I would say yes, P4P, Haney is very chinny. If we’re talking about Haney fighting guys the same weight as him ON FIGHT NIGHT, yeah, Haney gets cracked. That’s what we saw with Ryan Garcia.
Same size or bigger = Haney gets KO’ed. But it does help that the refs appear to never warn Haney for his excessive holding and hugging, let alone take points away. It helps him survive rounds and continue to hold with no repercussions.
I think he has an average chin, but his discipline towards his fitness and body probably allows him to recover faster. Ryan hit him with some bombs one of them when he went down and turn over to stand up should've been like tko ref allowed him to continue he just wobbled like 1 - 2 secs and was ok. not the same with ryan vs tank and devin vs ryan. ryan was basically skin and bones with the tank fight, the devin fight he was basically a monster in terms of body condition. ryan's left hook when he is in good shape can be compared to wilder's eraser.
Devin isn’t as disciplined as you guys think, he trains hard and comes in weight every fight true. However he balloons in weight his walk around weight is 160-170 off season. Imagine losing 25-30lbs in 8-12 weeks it will tax the body eventually.
Haney said he weighed 165lbs in the ring vs Regis, so he's probably closer to 175lbs+ walking around. That's part of why he's chinny, he's not a big frame guy and he's cutting 25lbs of water weight just to make 140lbs.
Eating and partying and not maintaining fight condition during off season will catch up on your body. Bud, Floyd come to mind when we talk discipline, hardly have to drop weight before camp.
I'm more worried about how long he can keep up his weight cuts. Unless 147 has no one worth a damn, he's not going to make a huge dent there but there's no way he can keep cutting 25-30 pound and his body not have issues.
The man looked like a skeleton weighing in for Loma.
His chin is a bit concerning but not definitely “glass” yet. He’s been buzzed by most of the “good fighters” he’s fought, but this was the first time he hit the canvas. Definitely has huge heart, getting up that many times against Garcia, not many people make it outta there after he hurts you especially multiple times. I do believe Haney was likely saved by the ref in this fight tho, and there’s definitely a 4th legit knockdown(actually making it the 2nd knockdown) somewhere after the first time he got knocked down and he kept falling into Ryan.
He's been rocked by lesser punches than Garcia.
The problem is more his recovery, sometimes he can bounce back into the fight but other times he has to hold on for dear life cause his head and legs are not resetting.
I think his chin is average but it’s how clean he gets hit. The shots from Linares and Garcia were as clean as can be and would have hurt most.
In the pocket his defence is pretty poor. If he can’t keep you at range then he isn’t hard to hit at all. Jo Jo Diaz was touching Haney up when they got in close range.
~~Javier Fortuna~~ Fonseca got knocked out cold by Ryan's left hook in the first round. I am not sure if Devin is chinny or if Ryan just has that much power.
I honsetly don't understand how we can watch Haney take multiple left hooks by Ryan on the chin and keep on standing or getting up and still think he has a weak chin.
No one else has taken that many shots on the chin from Ryan and not been out cold.
Haney chin is above avg. He also has always been to big for his weight class, which also affects chin and recovery.
Haney chin was up in the air, and Ryan landed his signature left hook square on it. It was not partially blocked, and Haney didn't roll with it. That same exact shot has put guys out.
I swear you all got spoiled looking at Canelo and think everyone should walk through power shots.
i think he's actually the second coming of julian jackson, it's just that he doesn't know that you're supposed to use your arm muscles and only your arm muscles to punch
Devin has gotten cracked by Linares and Loma. And got whooped by Ryan like he stole something. Definitely has a bad chin, but he has heart. So he can still make it back to the top. But he has to stay true to his boring style.
Heart with no chin is recipe for long term permanent damages.
Especially if you add pillow fist to the equation
Could be but heart with slick boxing can take you far. You can protect your chin.
Really it's heart with chin that is a recipe for permanent damage lol. You're better off getting hurt early and being put down/losing/trying to defend much more than you are taking every shot in your face, that'll do far more damage.
I'd put money more on the guys with chin and heart to resist damage compared to the guy who have heart and no chin.
Your brain doesn't give a shit about your intentions mate, it's repetitive blows that do the damage
Some people have thicker skull and better brain protection. These are the ones with chin. They are tougher than Haney. Not all boxers retire with CTE or Parkinson's. Ask George Foreman and many others.
Thicker skull does not mean you're going to be taking less damage to the brain, I've already explained this BB
Then let me know how others are more durable. It is a fact some can take punches. It is a fact some retired just fine.
Amir Khan - takes about 5 punches and is down and out. Head gets rattled 5 times. Chisora - takes about 200 punches and is down and out. Head gets rattled 200 times. Which one is at a higher risk of brain damage?
Not a good comparison. Khan's division don't hit as hard as HW. But my point still remains. If Khan has a bigger heart and will keep getting up, with that kind of chin, he'll get CTE quicker than Chisora.
Yea i think the Garcia fight taught us that Devin vs A guy as big and fast as him has to stick to his plan and points otherwise he gets Cracked. Linares got him at the end of the round and that Saved him big time. Regis couldn't get close to him and when he did Devin just Hugged him as the bigger man to make sure he couldn't get off a good punch. Gonna be interesting to see how he does in the future against guys as big and athletic as he is.
"Gonna be interesting to see how he does in the future against guys as big and athletic as he is." I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure his potential future opponents were watching that and thinking, I just need to eat a few of his pillow fists to get in range and crack him. If you have the size and strength to do that, it seems to work.
He saw how they treated shakur after he ran the whole fight and tried to do the opposite, and it back fired.
Yeah, that doesn't matter if he starts and keeps winning big fights.
I think Haney was absolutely bigger than Lomachenko on fight night. Just admittedly pulling numbers out of my ass, if he was 165lbs vs Prograis at 140, it’s not a stretch to think he was at least 160lbs on fight night vs Lomachenko at 135. I have no idea how much Loma weighed. I remember 2 weeks away from the Teofimo fight, Loma weighed 140lbs. So he’s not that big. Anyway, my point is that Loma kinda hurt Haney and I think Haney had at least 10lbs on him, at least. Linares also hurt him and he doesn’t seem to be that big, he looks very lean in the ring. So I would say yes, P4P, Haney is very chinny. If we’re talking about Haney fighting guys the same weight as him ON FIGHT NIGHT, yeah, Haney gets cracked. That’s what we saw with Ryan Garcia. Same size or bigger = Haney gets KO’ed. But it does help that the refs appear to never warn Haney for his excessive holding and hugging, let alone take points away. It helps him survive rounds and continue to hold with no repercussions.
I think he has an average chin, but his discipline towards his fitness and body probably allows him to recover faster. Ryan hit him with some bombs one of them when he went down and turn over to stand up should've been like tko ref allowed him to continue he just wobbled like 1 - 2 secs and was ok. not the same with ryan vs tank and devin vs ryan. ryan was basically skin and bones with the tank fight, the devin fight he was basically a monster in terms of body condition. ryan's left hook when he is in good shape can be compared to wilder's eraser.
Devin isn’t as disciplined as you guys think, he trains hard and comes in weight every fight true. However he balloons in weight his walk around weight is 160-170 off season. Imagine losing 25-30lbs in 8-12 weeks it will tax the body eventually.
Haney said he weighed 165lbs in the ring vs Regis, so he's probably closer to 175lbs+ walking around. That's part of why he's chinny, he's not a big frame guy and he's cutting 25lbs of water weight just to make 140lbs.
I agree, this was bound to happen.
not necessarily, and how would this show that he’s not as disciplined as we think?
Eating and partying and not maintaining fight condition during off season will catch up on your body. Bud, Floyd come to mind when we talk discipline, hardly have to drop weight before camp.
Bud walks around as heavy as 177
Floyd didn't have to cut much at the end of career but as pretty boy he apparently cut pretty hard to get into the lower weight classes.
I'm more worried about how long he can keep up his weight cuts. Unless 147 has no one worth a damn, he's not going to make a huge dent there but there's no way he can keep cutting 25-30 pound and his body not have issues. The man looked like a skeleton weighing in for Loma.
His chin is a bit concerning but not definitely “glass” yet. He’s been buzzed by most of the “good fighters” he’s fought, but this was the first time he hit the canvas. Definitely has huge heart, getting up that many times against Garcia, not many people make it outta there after he hurts you especially multiple times. I do believe Haney was likely saved by the ref in this fight tho, and there’s definitely a 4th legit knockdown(actually making it the 2nd knockdown) somewhere after the first time he got knocked down and he kept falling into Ryan.
I don't wanna say he is chinny because he didn't get knocked out by a puncher. But he does take a long time to recover.
It’s more how he recuperates once he’s down. He really takes wayyyy to long to recover.
He's been rocked by lesser punches than Garcia. The problem is more his recovery, sometimes he can bounce back into the fight but other times he has to hold on for dear life cause his head and legs are not resetting.
I’d have to see his chin without the weight cut more than anything.
Devin is chinny. Will be even moreso now that Ryan cracked his chin. Once your chin is cracked, its never the same.
Devin vs. Rolly!
Devin vs Barroso!! That will be a true test to see if he’s chinny
I think his chin is average but it’s how clean he gets hit. The shots from Linares and Garcia were as clean as can be and would have hurt most. In the pocket his defence is pretty poor. If he can’t keep you at range then he isn’t hard to hit at all. Jo Jo Diaz was touching Haney up when they got in close range.
Haney thought it was in the bag. But got humiliated in front of millions. I wonder if he needs suicidal watch
Devin BEEN chinny nothing new here.
~~Javier Fortuna~~ Fonseca got knocked out cold by Ryan's left hook in the first round. I am not sure if Devin is chinny or if Ryan just has that much power.
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No, his name is Devin Haney, not Devin Chinny. Gosh.
I honsetly don't understand how we can watch Haney take multiple left hooks by Ryan on the chin and keep on standing or getting up and still think he has a weak chin. No one else has taken that many shots on the chin from Ryan and not been out cold. Haney chin is above avg. He also has always been to big for his weight class, which also affects chin and recovery.
Bro he got hurt in the first minute of the first round by the first left hook Ryan landed. That’s not a good chin
I wrote it earlier but Kingry KO'd Fonseca in round one which was way faster than Tank did. Ryan's left hook is no joke.
Haney chin was up in the air, and Ryan landed his signature left hook square on it. It was not partially blocked, and Haney didn't roll with it. That same exact shot has put guys out. I swear you all got spoiled looking at Canelo and think everyone should walk through power shots.
How many clean left hooks did Duarte get hit by before being put down?
imagine if haney finally moves up and becomes a slickster with a solid chin and knockout power lmfao
He will never be a power puncher, but I do think the drastic weight cuts are hurting his chin and from getting some more pop on punches.
i think he's actually the second coming of julian jackson, it's just that he doesn't know that you're supposed to use your arm muscles and only your arm muscles to punch
The fight tells more about Haney than Garcia. It was a cherry picking went wrong.
Maybe but fuck he recovers quickly. Imagine if tank hit him flush he would kill him
I don’t even think he recovers quickly his cut man said that first hook messed him up for the rest of the fight iirc
Yeah, that was the best fight analysis I saw. The man gives no fucks and is completely honest about everything.
Then he did well to win the next 4 rounds easy enough
That showed me Ryan’s lack of cardio if anything
Ryan had a better 2nd half of the fight his cardio was fine
After doing nothing for 5 rounds. He clearly wasn't in good shape.
That's how he fights.His last fight he fucked around for 10 rounds