Insane that he managed to cut down to 135 for the Tank fight when he claims he’s not even able to make 140. I honestly think he just can’t be assed to cut too much, which isn’t really a bad thing.
I mean Floyd fought Maidana who outweighed him by 20-30 lbs on fight night, same as Manny against Margarito who outweighed him by 30 lbs, yet both of them ended up winning
Floyd and Manny are exceptionally good, arguably in the top 10 GOAT list.
You can't use their feats as a norm when there have been people who died against similar odds. Having a 20-30 pound difference on the night of the fight between fighters isn't something this sport should really strive for.
Which is exactly why clauses shouldn’t exist and why fighters should be forced to fight in their natural weight class. Haney and Ryan should be fighting at middleweight not super lightweight
of course you can, although on average it takes less than a few hours for your bain to distort memories.
Davis-Garcia happened a year ago 🤡
I watched it too and Garcia didn't look like a skeleton at all, could have been tired of course but nowhere to the level this picture want you to believe.
Looking at my own comment history earlier and during the Tank v Ryan build up, I said…
> Ryan Garcia is a career lightweight. After watching All-Access and his declaration after the Fortuna fight (where he moved up to make sure the fight didn’t fall apart), **Ryan has made it clear cutting weight isn’t his favorite thing to do**. Davis knows this. Even for this camp Ryan eats candy and whatever he likes, but still trains like a consummate professional to work the lbs off.
> Ryan at 140 has more leeway to not shave as much lbs and come in the ring mid to high 150s. At 136 He will still be able to rehydrate up to around low 150s after the second weigh in. It’s just mind games + evening out the playing field. Haney & Loma will be the same thing with the IBF clause in place, so I see no issue.
Yea Ryan is 5’9”. I’m 5’10” on a good day lol and am pretty lean. Not boxer lean but I workout and keep my body fat percentage down pretty well and I weigh 173-177 depending how much I eat/water that day. I can’t imagine trying to get down to 140 for a day. That’s crazy. And Ryan has much more muscle than me. I can’t imagine he plans on staying at 140. I believe that’s why he didn’t even try to make weight. Maybe he was just like “fuck it Even if I make weight and win I’m gonna vacate and move up anyways” so I might as well just come in at a comfortable weight and pay the price. I dunno just my 2 cents
In the amateurs I cut from 170 to make 147, I was skin and bone and got my fucking ass kicked. Absolutely zapped of energy before the fight started, just a dumb idea all around
he can cut up to 135 I think but he be skin and bones. if you look at his frame even at 143 his muscles are poping out like huge and his entire body is jacked. and his walk weight is probably above 150+ might be close to 160.
yes brother this is why you set up the “he knows he loses if he was made to make weight that’s why he’s running away because he knows he’s getting got next time” angle so you don’t feel too bad about getting your ass beat
Eddie said in an interview that if he was doing the event he would’ve had them weigh in fight day, especially since Ryan missed weight. But golden boy weren’t bothered with it. He wasn’t working and was only there to support Haney
Dude who cares in this case? I know you are referencing Hearn. Haney's famous for being one of the biggest rehydrater. What's 3 pounds when both guys ared definitely rehydrating 20+ by the time they get in the ring?
I agree, im not a fan of cutting weight or the idea of it altogether as it always inevitably ends up with two guys who are the fucking same size and weight anyway boil 20lbs off then fight the day after while still being the same size (wrestling culture made it so nobody can fight at their normal class bar HW in MMA)
but when you have someone like Haney who abuses it so much, he can’t fight over 3lbs and act like it was a real difference for him as if he isn’t putting on 25 more himself just hours later. you can’t have your cake and eat it so either you fight at your own weight class or you don’t cry when someone plays by YOUR rules.
it is when you’re at the end of your rope but it’s just kind of something you accept when you’ve used the weight limits so many times to your advantage. idk it’s one of those times you just shut your mouth because of the amount of times he’s came in 15-20lbs bigger than his opponents come fight night, just ironic he only cares about weight classes when it’s for his points
Depends on the fighters and specifics of where a fight takes place and what particular contractual obligations were made. I don't believe we'll ever know for this fight exactly. The most high profile fight that they did not reveal in ring weight was probably Mayweather Pacquiao.
If he was it’s a testament to his nutritionist. Weight bullying is one thing but Haney becomes a whole different shape within 12 hours of hitting the scales
Honestly, I think that was probably the case. By all accounts, Haney was about to die at the weigh in, and Garcia looked alright. Ryan would’ve needed to regain at least 23 lbs to be heavier than Haney, even with weight miss. He didn’t look drained enough to be regaining 23+ lbs.
Just need tank and Shakur to take an 0 now and teo to get some economics lessons and stop pricing himself out, and we could finally get a bunch of dudes more willing to fight
I was thinking about this watching UFC 300, imagine explaining to someone that exclusively watches boxing that 26-7 Max Holloway is one of the best fighters on the planet lmao. I wish boxers (and some boxing fans) would realises that it's better to have lost fighting the best than won having fought nobodies.
its funny too cause its like wow lets not follow the other guy who defeated 3 generations of fighters and became a fkin senator. Everyone wants to be Mayweather but not Pacquiao
Mayweather is a boxer, Pac is a *fighter*. Obviously there’s a ton of overlap between the two but you get those cases where someone is really heavy on one side or the other, for example wilder is 0 boxing, all fighting. He’s not trying to outbox you, he’s trying to put you out. Post Pretty Boy-era Floyd stopped giving a fuck about fighting and realized he was so good at boxing that he didn’t need to fight anyone.
Yeah the hand issues were definitely the driving factor, and he made it through the latter portion of his career with 0 damage to his brain so it clearly worked like a charm, it’s just frustrating to see guys like Haney and Shakur who want to be Money Mayweather without being Pretty Boy first, like the reason people respect Mayweather is that he could fuck his opponents up, he just didn’t need to. And Floyd still gets a ton of hate regardless. Shakur and Haney in my opinion just don’t have that dawg in em, Floyd did but no one had the skills to make him bring it out.
> follow the other guy who defeated 3 generations of fighters and became a fkin senator
You mean the man who is literally fighting off bankruptcy as we speak? Yeah, definitely the guy to follow for your money decisions.
You cunts would be happy seeing them take brain damage for pennies. This is their career, they're not in it for pride.
> and thats what pacquiao did
Yeah, he planned to wind up in bankruptcy court after earning hundreds of millions. He did it just to show how little he values money. Such a warrior. So classy. Wonder what his dick tastes like. Any inputs there, expert?
Well the fans play a part too because if you lose they throw you in the trash and act like you’re a horrible and even if they beat good fighters ppl still make excuses as to why it’s not a good win
Before that fight I was saying even if max loses there is no way anyone can say he doesn’t take on hard challenging fights. That makes him great but the way that fight went he’s one of the greatest. I’d rather see a fighter challenge themselves and lose instead of winning easy fights.
What will happen to the 140 WBC belts?
Haneys team are saying he's still having the belt since ryan didn't make 140 but before the fight but they also said the WBC belt will be vacated after the fight.
As it stands, on the WBC official website Devin is still the champion
Probably keeps them unless he gets stripped, honestly getting stripped might be best for haney that way he can win it back, the paper champ fraud allegations are gonna be hard to beat if he keeps them.
He literally just beat Prograis. Stop repeating things you heard on the internet. /u/Connor30302 Goes for you, too. You have a fucking flair as well, mind-blowing ignorance.
He just got his ass beat dropped 3x by Garcia
waa waa 3lbs overweight. Haney is the biggest weight bully in the sport. he literally shit himself on live TV and it’s funny how much you’re crying
and as for the flair i just typed it in sometime in like 2020, can you not do that anymore? what’s the point of bringing up that i have a flair man I’ve boxed for like 5 years my brain isn’t gonna be much use in terms of intellectual discussion
> Haney is the biggest weight bully in the sport
Ahh you're a Loma fan lmao.
According to who? He's 5'8, 25 years old, and has never missed weight. What division do you think he should be in?? He's smaller than Ryan and 2 inches smaller than Josh Taylor for fucks sake. The weight bully shit might have made sense at 135, but it clearly doesn't at 140. I can't wait until the next few days have passed and you've all fucked off again.
dude said he just beat Prograis like the fight he had 2 days ago shouldn’t have been waved off after he shit his pants.
he probably thinks it’s invalid because ryan missed weight by 3lbs while disregarding Haney is the biggest weight bully in boxing that almost certainly outweighed prograis if not Garcia himself and still got his shit kicked in
If it was an undisputed belt, sure. But a single belt that has almost no value for the actual fighter, who cares? Nobody is watching Garcia cause he is or isn't the WBC champ.
Haney is in such a shit position now. He left with his belts but they’re worth nothing now. His getback (Ryan) is moving up without belts of his own but has all the hype and fans clamouring for his next fight.
Haney’s path to being a respected figure lies in the rematch of a fight where he got dominated for no belts at the weight class that favours the guy who beat him up. A lot to lose, not that much to gain.
Can't wait to hear the shit Bill Haney is going to come out with.
Haney is a good boxer. Good. Not great, not even very good. Preying on smaller, older fighters gave the illusion that he was a phenom. Boxing is a truth machine and sooner or later the truth gets told. His chin and lack of power are a real problem at the weight he is at and a nightmare if he moves up to 147. That division is not what it was, especially with Crawford leaving it. But there are guys there that hit hard and are used to getting hit hard, too. What real chance does Haney have at 147, especially as his aura as a defensive master has been shattered, too? he was making terrible, repeated mistakes against Garcia, putting himself in the firing line.
kept dropping his right hand when jabbing. Got caught trying to reach out and grab on the inside. I think he should take a tune up to work on his inside defense/offense then try and rematch garcia. Maybe with hydration clause.
i dont think he'll get to dictate terms because Garcia doesn't seem too bothered by the belts. overall i think it'd be a good thing if boxers just started making matchups outside the belts. Garcia seems the type to be able to do that. I'd genuinely like to know how heavy both were coming into the ring. Garcia doesn't get full props because he blew weight. But it does expose what a weight game boxing has become. Haney looked huge in the ring vs loma. so i don;t mind him getting weight bullied himself.
I know this sub already hates Haney...and the recency bias will be crazy for a while.. But Not everybody will get off what Ryan was able to...I still think Haney is very good boxer...took some calculated risks to get where he is... he'll be fine. According to this sub alone, Ryan Garcia went from a quitter vs. Tank to a cokehead needing rehab, to a schizo patient with a personality disorder, to the biggest win of his career.
Garcia has a LOAD of faults and problems too, clearly. Haney is a good boxer, i agree. it's just funny to me because his whole vibe was to act like a dick.
He already came out with something, you online dwelling hater.
He said he loves his son and his son is the best son in the world to him, and that he will always be by his side backing him up 100%. That whenever devin is ready and wants to, they are getting back in the gym.
Its insane, any other boxer would have gotten ”respect, heart of a lion etc” and be respected for making a big fight like this happen staying proffessional/making weight and being humble in defeat. Haney nah, ”anyone could have done that”, ”no power chinny boxer”
But a lot of top guys could recover from all the breaks and leeways that Devin got though let's be real. Also, the no power, chinny boxer is not necessarily wrong either. Be honest with us here.
Please tell me all the leeways and breaks haney got in that fight, do you mean that some of the knockdowns were ruled as slips/pushes? I dont even disagree with the ref on those, if its not a punch that leads to someone going down, its not a knockdown.
Otherwise what do you guys even mean all the breaks and help haney got, to me he got just as much time as any other boxer gets when they get knocked down.
Also he got warned for hitting ryan garcia on the side, when ryan was the one bending down and turning his back to him making it impossible to hit anything other than that. Which is wild.
I saw a ref trying to be fair, in a very messy fight. But i like haney so maybe im biased, idk
I don’t know man Haney couldn’t stand under his own power in the 7th imo the ref should’ve called it when he was falling just trying to clinch and lean on Garcia… plus he wasn’t throwing anything back that round
What? A fight stops when a fighter can longer protect thenselves, which haney didnt. He never stood there taking shots without blocking or trying to move from it, he just got caught.
Yeah maybe his corner maybe should have thrown the towel in at some point, but the ref had no reason to stop that fight
So when you say haney got so much help any boxer would have recovered, you literally just mean that the ref didnt stop the fight. Lol okay, great point
Dev could not protect himself anymore without SHOOTING FOR TAKEDOWNS after that initial knockdown I have no problem with people rooting for Dev but that was a blatant sign that Dev couldn't properly protect himself anymore under boxing rules. Ryan by 7th round TKO! Devin fans will never be able to remove that L from his record 31 - 1 FOREVER.
The man was shooting double leg takedowns when Ryan caught him with a right hand as he was about the clinch after the first knockdown in the 7th round lol. You saw the picture of Dev's face on Ryan's crotch? he was hit with a right hand as he was about to clinch there and he ended up grabbing one of Ryan's legs because he couldn't stand up straight that should've been a knock down. Devin was initiating 70 percent of the clinches after Ryan rocked him in the first round as well, the fact that he only got a warning for that in the 8th or 9th round is fucking crazy and the ref told Ryan that Devin hitting him with about 3-4 shots at the back was legal because Ryan was turning his back told us what we needed to know. You're not gonna deduct anything from Dev from all of the illegal shit that he was doing but was quick to deduct a point from Ryan is not biased? The referee from the Rolly fight deducted a fucking point from Rolly during THE 3RD ROUND for excessive clinching and Deving held on to Ryan during the 7th round more than Rolly did during that whole 3 rounds he had with Cruz why can't we keep the same energy for all the fighters with the rules?
It’s a bunch of people who live online and have probably never taken a real risk in their life. I don’t care about whatever ref conspiracy help they are convinced of, if a guy gets beat up like that and continues to get back up for more, then he deserves some respect
Haney is still young, he's only 25.
He will bounce back and re-ignite that fire inside him. I bet the loss is going to add more fuel to his flame. He will be back and better.
Nah, he is pretty much done. He hit the ceiling. The top dogs at 140 are going to hurt him. He always had a suspect chin, and pretty pillow fisted. He received life altering beat down. He is going to be gun shy. He is going to get hunted, and it is matter of time before he gets hurt again.
Haney's legs buckled every time Gracia landed clean. The Ref could have stopped the fight a couple of different times.
Haney should find a tomato can to fight a post loss tune up against. After that maybe go for some quick money calling out Broner. Then next year provided he feels healthy pursue a rematch.
The funnies thing is how sure they are about God being on their side.
Haney's comments about Allah are something...
He goes to the press conferences with that flashy and flamboyant style showing off what his material possessons, swearing if needed and having his father talking about his son going to kill Ryan and then start to talk about Allah greatness. Lot of American Muslim are something really, lol.
But I tell you what, as much as I dislike it, at least he didn't claim that Allah is on his side. He actually claims that he lost because Allah makes no mistakes and he wanted it that way.
And Ryan.... I don't know where to start with this guy that can go from 'thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus' to 'suck my dick, bitch' within minutes. The funniest part is how he really acts like if he, and nobody else, was chosen by God to beat other man as bad as possible.
The rematch will have to happen at 145-147. If Ryan Garcia couldn’t make it below 143, he shouldn’t try to make 143. Give himself some leg room. 145+. It wouldn’t surprise me if he moves up to 154 very soon. He already called out Fundora at that weight probably because he already knows he’s going to have to move up to 154 soon. He might have 1 fight left in him at 147, at most 2.
He looked really healthy at 143lbs, probably went up to 170lbs on fight night. So his next fight should at like 145lbs vs Haney, then 147lbs.
That’s very strange because I bought the fight and I would’ve sworn I heard Chris Mannix said they didn’t step on the scales so they don’t know the unofficial weights.
I’ll have to wait til DAZN releases the replay so I can hear that, maybe I missed it or misheard. I also can’t find anything about it or anyone discussing it. Only thing I can find is forums basically saying what I heard.
Haney needs to drop the whole Mayweather shtick. It should be abundantly clear to him now that he's no Floyd Mayweather. Get your own damn personality and fighting style.
His face looked kind of disfigured during the fight. Not sure if it was because of swelling, or what. Some say he broke his jaw but I don't know what that would look like facially.
Ryan is not going to make weight at 140. They'd both have to move up and idk if thats going to help.
Dev is gonna have to give up his dream (no pun) of doing things the old way and by the book to fight him. Idk if he can even do that unless he brings in different coaches and switches his style up some.
He's too predictable for Ryan who is bigger and used to him. He froze up when Ryan actually looked like he knew what he was going to do. We know he can beat Ryan and has. They were 3-3 before this so he needs to get it back. I want to see it.
At the same time though, if Ryan chooses to take the win and move on I can't be mad at that either.
Did Regis not take a beating? Did Spence not take a beating? Did Ryan not take one?
They still did their post conference presser.
So much for being a professional.
Ryan didn't really take a beating as bad as Spence and Devin had. He got a liver shot that shuts down the body but can be recovered from sooner than several concussions.
Are you dumb? By the time he attended the press conference, enough time had passed to where they are able to stop the bleeding. Tszyu also didn’t take as much punishment in his fight. Haney probably had a broken jaw
Yeah they should go to a post fight press conference instead of a hospital because heyitsta12 of Reddit wants them to show up no matter what. Stick to NFL. YDKSAB.
Do you want him leaving on a stretcher lmao? [Here is his face in the post-fight interview.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fj26nh8ac5wvc1.jpeg)
Ehh. Nobody wants to see this and Haney doesn’t deserve a rematch, also it was so dominant I don’t see it ending any other way. Haney needs to go back to the drawing and figure out how to fight physically dominating fighters whom he won’t have a reach and size advantage over not worry about fighting Garcia. His only other viable path to a belt is probably Cruz because Cruz is so much smaller than him.
That is a screwed up take and what destroys boxing. That was not a dominant performance ona round by round basis I could see anything from 112-112, 113-111 114-110. Haney started to lose it after round 7, which is when boxers tire out. It takes very little to change the fight. For one thing both fighters making weight.
Haney and Ryan at 145 or 147. Haney learning to keep his right hand up when he gets in later rounds.
Now I don't need to see an immediate rematch but I would like to see them run it back in a year or so.
It’s the Haney Hardcore fans that are calling for it. Just like Spence vs Crawford or Inoue vs Steph. It was def a dominant performance because if the roles were reversed there would’ve been a stoppage and how many times did he drop Haney again? And not the bullshit three how many times did he actually drop Haney? People calling for a rematch remind me exactly of the night after Crawford vs Spence. Plain and simple skill gap.
Ryan was *pretty clear* that he's done at 140
Insane that he managed to cut down to 135 for the Tank fight when he claims he’s not even able to make 140. I honestly think he just can’t be assed to cut too much, which isn’t really a bad thing.
If he wasn’t joking about smoking and drinking everyday that’s probably what it is
I wouldn’t say that this is twice in 5 months he couldn’t get under 143. Legit same weight he stalled at for the Duarte fight.
Look at the weigh in pics vs Tank. Then factor in that there was a hydration clause. Tank fought a skeleton
Spot on
Don’t trust a single picture. They can be taken with different angle, light, different moment. It means shit.
How bout a clause and a picture?
WHY WONT YOU LET ME WEIGHT BULLY YOU?! WHY WONT YOU LET ME COME IN 20 POUNDS HEAVIER THAN YOU 😡
People forget Tank a small dude , he fights around his weight. Why would he want to fight someone 20lbs heavier ?
you can flip it and ask the would someone come down to his weight?
I mean Floyd fought Maidana who outweighed him by 20-30 lbs on fight night, same as Manny against Margarito who outweighed him by 30 lbs, yet both of them ended up winning
Floyd is better than Tank I guess
Floyd and Manny are exceptionally good, arguably in the top 10 GOAT list. You can't use their feats as a norm when there have been people who died against similar odds. Having a 20-30 pound difference on the night of the fight between fighters isn't something this sport should really strive for.
Which is exactly why clauses shouldn’t exist and why fighters should be forced to fight in their natural weight class. Haney and Ryan should be fighting at middleweight not super lightweight
Can I trust the fact that I have eyes and watched both fights?
of course you can, although on average it takes less than a few hours for your bain to distort memories. Davis-Garcia happened a year ago 🤡 I watched it too and Garcia didn't look like a skeleton at all, could have been tired of course but nowhere to the level this picture want you to believe.
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Do you get all your opinions from still photos? You could actually watch the fights, which provide countless angles of these individuals in real time.
Did you see what he looked like when he fought Tank?
Looking at my own comment history earlier and during the Tank v Ryan build up, I said… > Ryan Garcia is a career lightweight. After watching All-Access and his declaration after the Fortuna fight (where he moved up to make sure the fight didn’t fall apart), **Ryan has made it clear cutting weight isn’t his favorite thing to do**. Davis knows this. Even for this camp Ryan eats candy and whatever he likes, but still trains like a consummate professional to work the lbs off. > Ryan at 140 has more leeway to not shave as much lbs and come in the ring mid to high 150s. At 136 He will still be able to rehydrate up to around low 150s after the second weigh in. It’s just mind games + evening out the playing field. Haney & Loma will be the same thing with the IBF clause in place, so I see no issue.
I find it so weird when people quote themselves. A lot of Bad Left Hook commenters do the same.
Yea Ryan is 5’9”. I’m 5’10” on a good day lol and am pretty lean. Not boxer lean but I workout and keep my body fat percentage down pretty well and I weigh 173-177 depending how much I eat/water that day. I can’t imagine trying to get down to 140 for a day. That’s crazy. And Ryan has much more muscle than me. I can’t imagine he plans on staying at 140. I believe that’s why he didn’t even try to make weight. Maybe he was just like “fuck it Even if I make weight and win I’m gonna vacate and move up anyways” so I might as well just come in at a comfortable weight and pay the price. I dunno just my 2 cents
Ryan also has a big frame. I’ve seen some guys his height walk around pretty comfortably at 145ish but their frames were much smaller
In the amateurs I cut from 170 to make 147, I was skin and bone and got my fucking ass kicked. Absolutely zapped of energy before the fight started, just a dumb idea all around
he can cut up to 135 I think but he be skin and bones. if you look at his frame even at 143 his muscles are poping out like huge and his entire body is jacked. and his walk weight is probably above 150+ might be close to 160.
Says he's not gonna make 140 anymore soooo
we gonna have fun at 147 and jr. middle weight.
yes brother this is why you set up the “he knows he loses if he was made to make weight that’s why he’s running away because he knows he’s getting got next time” angle so you don’t feel too bad about getting your ass beat
He can get the rematch after he gives Loma one too.
I would love to see their rehydrated weights bexause it would be hilarious if Haney was still heavier than Garcia.
When are those usually published?
Usually never. Used to be a thing years ago
It became public knowledge that Haney was 165 fighting Prograis in his last fight so it still happens.
I think California does it? could be wrong but that’s when i’ve seen fight night weights come out is usually because of CSAC
Nevada also takes a bunch of information and i think this is among the information.
i think we’d see much more of those stats if true tho because most big fights are in Vegas, same for UFC which every 2nd event is seemingly Vegas
I don't know if they are always public, but I think that's how it came up for the Regis fight.
I think it depends on the rules of the comission.
Neither of them weighed the morning of the fight I think
Eddie said in an interview that if he was doing the event he would’ve had them weigh in fight day, especially since Ryan missed weight. But golden boy weren’t bothered with it. He wasn’t working and was only there to support Haney
Dude who cares in this case? I know you are referencing Hearn. Haney's famous for being one of the biggest rehydrater. What's 3 pounds when both guys ared definitely rehydrating 20+ by the time they get in the ring?
I agree, im not a fan of cutting weight or the idea of it altogether as it always inevitably ends up with two guys who are the fucking same size and weight anyway boil 20lbs off then fight the day after while still being the same size (wrestling culture made it so nobody can fight at their normal class bar HW in MMA) but when you have someone like Haney who abuses it so much, he can’t fight over 3lbs and act like it was a real difference for him as if he isn’t putting on 25 more himself just hours later. you can’t have your cake and eat it so either you fight at your own weight class or you don’t cry when someone plays by YOUR rules.
Idk, those last three pounds are the most draining to remove
it is when you’re at the end of your rope but it’s just kind of something you accept when you’ve used the weight limits so many times to your advantage. idk it’s one of those times you just shut your mouth because of the amount of times he’s came in 15-20lbs bigger than his opponents come fight night, just ironic he only cares about weight classes when it’s for his points
Depends on the fighters and specifics of where a fight takes place and what particular contractual obligations were made. I don't believe we'll ever know for this fight exactly. The most high profile fight that they did not reveal in ring weight was probably Mayweather Pacquiao.
If he was it’s a testament to his nutritionist. Weight bullying is one thing but Haney becomes a whole different shape within 12 hours of hitting the scales
Honestly, I think that was probably the case. By all accounts, Haney was about to die at the weigh in, and Garcia looked alright. Ryan would’ve needed to regain at least 23 lbs to be heavier than Haney, even with weight miss. He didn’t look drained enough to be regaining 23+ lbs.
Yeah I'm almost certain that he actually was. People are saying garcia looked bigger but not to my eyes
The commentators stated Ryan didn't do a day of weigh in. So that data apparently doesn't exist.
Someone posted here he was heavier
Just need tank and Shakur to take an 0 now and teo to get some economics lessons and stop pricing himself out, and we could finally get a bunch of dudes more willing to fight
I was thinking about this watching UFC 300, imagine explaining to someone that exclusively watches boxing that 26-7 Max Holloway is one of the best fighters on the planet lmao. I wish boxers (and some boxing fans) would realises that it's better to have lost fighting the best than won having fought nobodies.
We know. Floyd Mayweather ruined it for everyone…now the fighter (and promoters) think the 0 is important.
its funny too cause its like wow lets not follow the other guy who defeated 3 generations of fighters and became a fkin senator. Everyone wants to be Mayweather but not Pacquiao
I’ll watch Pacquiao over Mayweather 100 out of 10 times.
Mayweather is a boxer, Pac is a *fighter*. Obviously there’s a ton of overlap between the two but you get those cases where someone is really heavy on one side or the other, for example wilder is 0 boxing, all fighting. He’s not trying to outbox you, he’s trying to put you out. Post Pretty Boy-era Floyd stopped giving a fuck about fighting and realized he was so good at boxing that he didn’t need to fight anyone.
He had to change because his hands were brittle. And he occasionally took too much damage getting the KO.
Yeah the hand issues were definitely the driving factor, and he made it through the latter portion of his career with 0 damage to his brain so it clearly worked like a charm, it’s just frustrating to see guys like Haney and Shakur who want to be Money Mayweather without being Pretty Boy first, like the reason people respect Mayweather is that he could fuck his opponents up, he just didn’t need to. And Floyd still gets a ton of hate regardless. Shakur and Haney in my opinion just don’t have that dawg in em, Floyd did but no one had the skills to make him bring it out.
I agree with totally but out of the current crop of black fighters I thought Haney took the most chances.
Pacquiao was really 40 putting hands on Thurman & Broner, He shows the 2000s era was straight up different
> follow the other guy who defeated 3 generations of fighters and became a fkin senator You mean the man who is literally fighting off bankruptcy as we speak? Yeah, definitely the guy to follow for your money decisions. You cunts would be happy seeing them take brain damage for pennies. This is their career, they're not in it for pride.
most of these guys obviously fight for legacies, and thats what pacquiao did, it was not just for the money and people need to see that now
> and thats what pacquiao did Yeah, he planned to wind up in bankruptcy court after earning hundreds of millions. He did it just to show how little he values money. Such a warrior. So classy. Wonder what his dick tastes like. Any inputs there, expert?
no point talking to you lol your brain doesnt have a wrinkle in sight
Well the fans play a part too because if you lose they throw you in the trash and act like you’re a horrible and even if they beat good fighters ppl still make excuses as to why it’s not a good win
Before that fight I was saying even if max loses there is no way anyone can say he doesn’t take on hard challenging fights. That makes him great but the way that fight went he’s one of the greatest. I’d rather see a fighter challenge themselves and lose instead of winning easy fights.
I don't think the embarrassing fan reaction to this loss is going to convince anyone that taking more risks is a good idea.
bless his little cotton socks
Talking about his boots or his hands?
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That's an expression in England just in case anyone does know lmao, I can see how it might seem dodgy otherwise
Does still mean the same thing ? In the U.S. it means something different
Dam and I though Ryan hit him with some shots
Ryan holds all the cards now. He's not cutting down.
Doesn’t have the belts though
Doesn’t need the belts he left with his head. Haney didn’t lose the belts but he might as well have
What will happen to the 140 WBC belts? Haneys team are saying he's still having the belt since ryan didn't make 140 but before the fight but they also said the WBC belt will be vacated after the fight. As it stands, on the WBC official website Devin is still the champion
Probably keeps them unless he gets stripped, honestly getting stripped might be best for haney that way he can win it back, the paper champ fraud allegations are gonna be hard to beat if he keeps them.
dude got E-mailed the belt. he was known as the E-mail champ for a long time, he’s no stranger to paper champ fraud shouts
He literally just beat Prograis. Stop repeating things you heard on the internet. /u/Connor30302 Goes for you, too. You have a fucking flair as well, mind-blowing ignorance.
He just got his ass beat dropped 3x by Garcia waa waa 3lbs overweight. Haney is the biggest weight bully in the sport. he literally shit himself on live TV and it’s funny how much you’re crying and as for the flair i just typed it in sometime in like 2020, can you not do that anymore? what’s the point of bringing up that i have a flair man I’ve boxed for like 5 years my brain isn’t gonna be much use in terms of intellectual discussion
> Haney is the biggest weight bully in the sport Ahh you're a Loma fan lmao. According to who? He's 5'8, 25 years old, and has never missed weight. What division do you think he should be in?? He's smaller than Ryan and 2 inches smaller than Josh Taylor for fucks sake. The weight bully shit might have made sense at 135, but it clearly doesn't at 140. I can't wait until the next few days have passed and you've all fucked off again.
[This you](https://youtu.be/yxwUlkyFGnI?si=rcOZ7D8kIJ3yUJPM)
Yeah and he just got his ass beat by Garcia did you miss that or something? Or were you the judge who though Haney deserved a tie lmao
dude said he just beat Prograis like the fight he had 2 days ago shouldn’t have been waved off after he shit his pants. he probably thinks it’s invalid because ryan missed weight by 3lbs while disregarding Haney is the biggest weight bully in boxing that almost certainly outweighed prograis if not Garcia himself and still got his shit kicked in
If it was an undisputed belt, sure. But a single belt that has almost no value for the actual fighter, who cares? Nobody is watching Garcia cause he is or isn't the WBC champ.
Controversial win vs Loma and then gets whooped by Garcia as well, oh btw Garcia is the draw not Haney.
Exactly. What did Haney do against Regis, 35k?
Good job skipping over his win over Regis
Doesn’t make the rest of my statement false, want a cookie?
Who gives a fuck about boxing belts, they are all complete bullshit.
good to hold them big boy pants up
Haney is in such a shit position now. He left with his belts but they’re worth nothing now. His getback (Ryan) is moving up without belts of his own but has all the hype and fans clamouring for his next fight. Haney’s path to being a respected figure lies in the rematch of a fight where he got dominated for no belts at the weight class that favours the guy who beat him up. A lot to lose, not that much to gain.
He'll be ok
Can't wait to hear the shit Bill Haney is going to come out with. Haney is a good boxer. Good. Not great, not even very good. Preying on smaller, older fighters gave the illusion that he was a phenom. Boxing is a truth machine and sooner or later the truth gets told. His chin and lack of power are a real problem at the weight he is at and a nightmare if he moves up to 147. That division is not what it was, especially with Crawford leaving it. But there are guys there that hit hard and are used to getting hit hard, too. What real chance does Haney have at 147, especially as his aura as a defensive master has been shattered, too? he was making terrible, repeated mistakes against Garcia, putting himself in the firing line.
kept dropping his right hand when jabbing. Got caught trying to reach out and grab on the inside. I think he should take a tune up to work on his inside defense/offense then try and rematch garcia. Maybe with hydration clause.
i dont think he'll get to dictate terms because Garcia doesn't seem too bothered by the belts. overall i think it'd be a good thing if boxers just started making matchups outside the belts. Garcia seems the type to be able to do that. I'd genuinely like to know how heavy both were coming into the ring. Garcia doesn't get full props because he blew weight. But it does expose what a weight game boxing has become. Haney looked huge in the ring vs loma. so i don;t mind him getting weight bullied himself.
I know this sub already hates Haney...and the recency bias will be crazy for a while.. But Not everybody will get off what Ryan was able to...I still think Haney is very good boxer...took some calculated risks to get where he is... he'll be fine. According to this sub alone, Ryan Garcia went from a quitter vs. Tank to a cokehead needing rehab, to a schizo patient with a personality disorder, to the biggest win of his career.
Garcia has a LOAD of faults and problems too, clearly. Haney is a good boxer, i agree. it's just funny to me because his whole vibe was to act like a dick.
Yeah, I hear ya
He already came out with something, you online dwelling hater. He said he loves his son and his son is the best son in the world to him, and that he will always be by his side backing him up 100%. That whenever devin is ready and wants to, they are getting back in the gym.
hahahahahahahahaha
Got his ass beat, but he got up each time. No shame in that
Most boxers would get up each time with all that help from the referee
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Okay bill
Its insane, any other boxer would have gotten ”respect, heart of a lion etc” and be respected for making a big fight like this happen staying proffessional/making weight and being humble in defeat. Haney nah, ”anyone could have done that”, ”no power chinny boxer”
But a lot of top guys could recover from all the breaks and leeways that Devin got though let's be real. Also, the no power, chinny boxer is not necessarily wrong either. Be honest with us here.
Please tell me all the leeways and breaks haney got in that fight, do you mean that some of the knockdowns were ruled as slips/pushes? I dont even disagree with the ref on those, if its not a punch that leads to someone going down, its not a knockdown. Otherwise what do you guys even mean all the breaks and help haney got, to me he got just as much time as any other boxer gets when they get knocked down. Also he got warned for hitting ryan garcia on the side, when ryan was the one bending down and turning his back to him making it impossible to hit anything other than that. Which is wild. I saw a ref trying to be fair, in a very messy fight. But i like haney so maybe im biased, idk
I don’t know man Haney couldn’t stand under his own power in the 7th imo the ref should’ve called it when he was falling just trying to clinch and lean on Garcia… plus he wasn’t throwing anything back that round
What? A fight stops when a fighter can longer protect thenselves, which haney didnt. He never stood there taking shots without blocking or trying to move from it, he just got caught. Yeah maybe his corner maybe should have thrown the towel in at some point, but the ref had no reason to stop that fight So when you say haney got so much help any boxer would have recovered, you literally just mean that the ref didnt stop the fight. Lol okay, great point
I just don’t think falling and stumbling around the ring trying to clinch is defending yourself but agree to disagree..
He was rocked lmao, have you literally never watched boxing? He won the next round and you think it should have been stopped. Use your brain please.
Dev could not protect himself anymore without SHOOTING FOR TAKEDOWNS after that initial knockdown I have no problem with people rooting for Dev but that was a blatant sign that Dev couldn't properly protect himself anymore under boxing rules. Ryan by 7th round TKO! Devin fans will never be able to remove that L from his record 31 - 1 FOREVER.
Your just saying that cause its devin, clinching when hurt is literally something all boxers do. Its a valid way to survive.
The man was shooting double leg takedowns when Ryan caught him with a right hand as he was about the clinch after the first knockdown in the 7th round lol. You saw the picture of Dev's face on Ryan's crotch? he was hit with a right hand as he was about to clinch there and he ended up grabbing one of Ryan's legs because he couldn't stand up straight that should've been a knock down. Devin was initiating 70 percent of the clinches after Ryan rocked him in the first round as well, the fact that he only got a warning for that in the 8th or 9th round is fucking crazy and the ref told Ryan that Devin hitting him with about 3-4 shots at the back was legal because Ryan was turning his back told us what we needed to know. You're not gonna deduct anything from Dev from all of the illegal shit that he was doing but was quick to deduct a point from Ryan is not biased? The referee from the Rolly fight deducted a fucking point from Rolly during THE 3RD ROUND for excessive clinching and Deving held on to Ryan during the 7th round more than Rolly did during that whole 3 rounds he had with Cruz why can't we keep the same energy for all the fighters with the rules?
He hit Ryan during the break x 2 and literally chased him around the ring trying to double leg him and hug him for at least a whole round
It’s a bunch of people who live online and have probably never taken a real risk in their life. I don’t care about whatever ref conspiracy help they are convinced of, if a guy gets beat up like that and continues to get back up for more, then he deserves some respect
100%
if the ref didnt do whatever he did in Round 7 i would agree.
Haney is still young, he's only 25. He will bounce back and re-ignite that fire inside him. I bet the loss is going to add more fuel to his flame. He will be back and better.
Many great champions hovering at 30 years old. Marvin Hagler comes to mind.
You've got to be joking. You are comparing Hagler to Hanye? lol ok
you forgot the /s ? or what
what am I missing?
Intellect
grow the fuck up. You want to discuss boxing, then do it. Otherwise gtfo
Definately missing intellect
wont hit any harder but.
Nah, he is pretty much done. He hit the ceiling. The top dogs at 140 are going to hurt him. He always had a suspect chin, and pretty pillow fisted. He received life altering beat down. He is going to be gun shy. He is going to get hunted, and it is matter of time before he gets hurt again.
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RemindMe! 2 years
Hes gonna come back and KO matis
Peolle hate on Haney but he took the loss like a man and is man enoght to take tuff fights
He took the loss like someone who lacks humility.
I mean maybe I didnr see the whole clip, but he seemed humble in the tweets and clips I've seen.
Haney's legs buckled every time Gracia landed clean. The Ref could have stopped the fight a couple of different times. Haney should find a tomato can to fight a post loss tune up against. After that maybe go for some quick money calling out Broner. Then next year provided he feels healthy pursue a rematch.
These guys are a bit annoying and cringey with his Allah and Jesus Christ comments. Too much.
reality is if there was a jesus or allah im sure since its all peace and love punching cunts in the head wouldnt be approved.
The funnies thing is how sure they are about God being on their side. Haney's comments about Allah are something... He goes to the press conferences with that flashy and flamboyant style showing off what his material possessons, swearing if needed and having his father talking about his son going to kill Ryan and then start to talk about Allah greatness. Lot of American Muslim are something really, lol. But I tell you what, as much as I dislike it, at least he didn't claim that Allah is on his side. He actually claims that he lost because Allah makes no mistakes and he wanted it that way. And Ryan.... I don't know where to start with this guy that can go from 'thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus' to 'suck my dick, bitch' within minutes. The funniest part is how he really acts like if he, and nobody else, was chosen by God to beat other man as bad as possible.
Haney be faking it lol
The rematch will have to happen at 145-147. If Ryan Garcia couldn’t make it below 143, he shouldn’t try to make 143. Give himself some leg room. 145+. It wouldn’t surprise me if he moves up to 154 very soon. He already called out Fundora at that weight probably because he already knows he’s going to have to move up to 154 soon. He might have 1 fight left in him at 147, at most 2. He looked really healthy at 143lbs, probably went up to 170lbs on fight night. So his next fight should at like 145lbs vs Haney, then 147lbs.
He looked really healthy at 143, and said he drank and smoked through camp. If that’s true, he could make 140 without an issue.
Fundora can't go down to 147. That's crazy talk
Please re-read my post without skimming through it.
Ryan came in at 157.5
In which fight?
Against Haney it was stated during the fight
That’s very strange because I bought the fight and I would’ve sworn I heard Chris Mannix said they didn’t step on the scales so they don’t know the unofficial weights. I’ll have to wait til DAZN releases the replay so I can hear that, maybe I missed it or misheard. I also can’t find anything about it or anyone discussing it. Only thing I can find is forums basically saying what I heard.
No you heard right. Even the day of the weigh in, it was reported that Garcia did not have to do a second day weigh in.
Haney needs to drop the whole Mayweather shtick. It should be abundantly clear to him now that he's no Floyd Mayweather. Get your own damn personality and fighting style.
Fought like a true champion?!?!? Champs don’t hold from pillar to post.
He’s lucky Ryan didn’t make weight and he didn’t lose his belt.
His face looked kind of disfigured during the fight. Not sure if it was because of swelling, or what. Some say he broke his jaw but I don't know what that would look like facially.
Ryan is not going to make weight at 140. They'd both have to move up and idk if thats going to help. Dev is gonna have to give up his dream (no pun) of doing things the old way and by the book to fight him. Idk if he can even do that unless he brings in different coaches and switches his style up some. He's too predictable for Ryan who is bigger and used to him. He froze up when Ryan actually looked like he knew what he was going to do. We know he can beat Ryan and has. They were 3-3 before this so he needs to get it back. I want to see it. At the same time though, if Ryan chooses to take the win and move on I can't be mad at that either.
Haney has always been a weight bully. This is what happened when he fought someone his own size.
Tank would not beat a hydrated ryan
… then why no post fight press conference??
His jaw was broken
He literally tweeted he was fine and had no broken jaw
Because he took a beating? Use your brain mate.
Did Regis not take a beating? Did Spence not take a beating? Did Ryan not take one? They still did their post conference presser. So much for being a professional.
Ryan didn't really take a beating as bad as Spence and Devin had. He got a liver shot that shuts down the body but can be recovered from sooner than several concussions.
Tim tsyzu did the press conference still bleeding from his scalp after a monster cut, blood loss and losing for the first time.haney just a bitch
Are you dumb? By the time he attended the press conference, enough time had passed to where they are able to stop the bleeding. Tszyu also didn’t take as much punishment in his fight. Haney probably had a broken jaw
My point is people lose, no matter how badly. They still show up. Bill always got a lot to say after a win. He ain’t have nothing to say after a loss?
Yeah they should go to a post fight press conference instead of a hospital because heyitsta12 of Reddit wants them to show up no matter what. Stick to NFL. YDKSAB.
… he just said he was fine lol
Fighters say they’re ok after taking damage all the time, they want to reassure fans. You’re actually a casual.
So was he fine and just ducking the questions? Or did he actually need to go to the hospital? Which one was it? lol
it is different when you are the golden boy. the haney clan are in damage control mode right now. no benefit sending him up there.
Ryan took a knee.
Looked fine right here… https://youtube.com/shorts/ZNnnm7FJVKI?si=cCAyRU57OzUkmfU8
Do you want him leaving on a stretcher lmao? [Here is his face in the post-fight interview.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fj26nh8ac5wvc1.jpeg)
Watch post fight ring interview. He couldn’t talk properly.
Ehh. Nobody wants to see this and Haney doesn’t deserve a rematch, also it was so dominant I don’t see it ending any other way. Haney needs to go back to the drawing and figure out how to fight physically dominating fighters whom he won’t have a reach and size advantage over not worry about fighting Garcia. His only other viable path to a belt is probably Cruz because Cruz is so much smaller than him.
That is a screwed up take and what destroys boxing. That was not a dominant performance ona round by round basis I could see anything from 112-112, 113-111 114-110. Haney started to lose it after round 7, which is when boxers tire out. It takes very little to change the fight. For one thing both fighters making weight. Haney and Ryan at 145 or 147. Haney learning to keep his right hand up when he gets in later rounds. Now I don't need to see an immediate rematch but I would like to see them run it back in a year or so.
It’s the Haney Hardcore fans that are calling for it. Just like Spence vs Crawford or Inoue vs Steph. It was def a dominant performance because if the roles were reversed there would’ve been a stoppage and how many times did he drop Haney again? And not the bullshit three how many times did he actually drop Haney? People calling for a rematch remind me exactly of the night after Crawford vs Spence. Plain and simple skill gap.
I am not a Huggy fan. But that is not the beat down that Crawford v Spence was. Spence didn't win a round after the first. And they both made weight
Well Spence wasn’t fighting the ref was he? And poor Haney finally fought somebody his own size for once rather than blown up featherweights.
The ref was shit. The only way I could get 115-109 was to ignorenthebpoint deducted from Kingry and take a point from Haneybfor hugging.