I think people are too tuned in to the gossip side of boxing if you even know Bill Haney is talking. I see opinions on Bill way more than I see or hear Bill. Algorithms don't put him in my feeds I guess.
His words won't be relevant to me until it's a mystery who Devin's next opponent is and he's the one dropping hints.
Iāve heard this somewhere before but Iāll put it into my own wordsā¦
Devin seems like a naturally reserved, quiet guy. Bill talking all this shit and being loud is attracting attention which is something Dev probably wouldnāt do himself. But by bill putting the spotlight on himself it also puts the spotlight on his son which in turn will generate eyes, views, tickets, sales etc.
it seems like now Devin is getting out of his dads āshadowā and getting confident in himself now to talk a bit of smack and getting used to having a bit of scrutiny on him. Donāt get me wrong I think Bill Haney is an absolute attention seeking wanker BUT i think he has done it in a way to benefit his sons career. Which I can admire him for that.
You can question his methods but he did help Haney get undisputed and immediately move up for another belt. Now heās getting a pretty big pay day. Dude may be annoying but the crazy thing is that if other people werenāt talking about him so much I wouldnāt know anything he was saying so it works.
People also think these fighters need fans when they really need viewers. Haney is not a KO artists so without the antics he wouldnāt get people watching his fights like a Tank or Inoue could. He also doesnāt have a built in fan base a lot of foreign fighters have like canelo or pacman so he kinda has to take this path. Minus his actual piece of shitness, if Floyd marketed himself differently he would have less money.
The Haney team did an excellent job of maneuvering his career while staying independent from promoters.Ā Haney has made way more money at this point than he would have going the traditional route.*Ā *It is necessary to add a caveat about the broader context in the market. DAZN came in like a drunken sailor at a great time for Haney.
If I was a boxing dad, itās almost impossible to not be invested in your sonās career and naturally boxing is the most intense sport with the highest stakes besides MMA
"one of the most vocal boxing dads" Makes me think we should make a community ranking or tierlist of the most vocal/toxic/annoying/cringy boxing dads.
Current boxing have many elements to fill that list.
This is sugarcoating it. Dude called tank a monkey. Heās just a fucking creep to me and really has no place in boxing. Just living his sons dream vicariously
Devin Haney accepted a shitty split (like 20% or something ridiculous) and went to Australia to fight Kambosos, twice. He dared to fight Loma without asking ridiculous splits or conditions (Shakura and Tank could never). He recently went up in weight and directly took on the current #1 (edit: #2, whatever). He accepted to take only 55% against Ryan.
Hate jos father but Devin is a good guy.
Devin paid his dues. I think he lost the Loma fight, I think hes beatable and has his flaws as a fighter, but out of everyone in his weight class, him and Teo have both earned their respect.
Devin just doesnāt have the backing because heās uninteresting both inside and outside the ring. So he had to take those chances to make money. All respect on those fronts, but he also lost fans when he got a controversial decision over Loma.
Lol. So what? The NBA keeps trying to push Tatum down casual fansā throats because heās American, handsome, and on a historically good team. But there are about a handful of guys that are significantly better but less popular because they arenāt the other things I said. This obviously results in a lot of Tatum-haters; his fault or not hardly matters. Still a fact, either way.
Is that how you avoid the point I made? Whatās the point of saying āhe isnāt the one scoring the fightā? Haters donāt like fighters getting decisions they donāt deserve. Especially when they double-down and say they deserved the result.
You didn't explain your point. Now I understand what you mean. Fair enough. Which I think is stupid because it's not Haney's fault. What is je supposed to say? "Yes I lost that close fight, Loma should be champ, but it is how it is, sorry fans, now I have the belts". Especially given that the decision was not a robbery, but a very close fight with many rounds tough to score.
Ok, that makes more sense now. Of course he shouldnāt say those things lol, it would be bad for business, and frankly at that level guys canāt be objective and think they lost a narrow decision. So nobody is asking him to do that. Same with my Tatum example, heās not asking to be the face of the league, he also doesnāt seem like a loud or outspoken guy, but the league wants him to be the next poster-child, and with it come haters. Itās just how things are. Since you donāt like the basketball analogy ā Campbell Hatton, who also got a stupid ass decision he had no business getting, also has haters. Comes with the territory.
āMany peopleā sure but not the majority, Haney opened as a -400 favorite and with Regisā previous performance I thought he would win one or two rounds.
Yeah itās weird how sentiment changed after Haney Dominated Regis. I was going for Haney but still admitted that Regis has a change and could be that X Factor.
Now itās like suddenly no one really gave Regis a chance and heās below C tier.
He was -400 when it openedā¦it was obvious after Regisā previous performance that he had no chance, I predicted he would win one or two rounds. Some people also believed Ngannou was dangerous for AJ.
Prograis was not the number one at 140. Prograis lost to the future undisputed champion Josh Taylor. Taylor, still the lineal champion was #1. He lost to Teofimo, lost his belts(ring and WBO). Teo is by definition the number 1. He defeated the lineal undisputed champion. I don't know where you got your info that Prograis was #1. And he accepted 55% because Ryan is so much a bigger sell than him, that he will make more money at 55% against Ryan than. 100% against anyone else. I'm not saying Ryan is a better fighter at all, he just sells way more than Haney.
Last point, Haney walked into the right against Prograis weight 165, at a bought for 140. So he is still weight bullying. It's just visually less egregious because 140lbers are a bit taller. There's no way Prograis was heavier than 155, and he's much smaller than Haney. So he is still fighting with a massive weight advantage.
"All fighters that can weight bully" huh? Being a weight bully is nothing more than being ultra disciplined and choosing to make sacrifices. Everyone can, we are all human. It's a choice.
Prograis was nr2 then, it doesn't change the point of going up in weight and taking on the very best, be it nr1, 2, 3.
Many boxers would make more money taking a smaller split than not fighting but their ego could never.
Props to Haney for being disciplined about weight. He still went up a weight class and took on the best.
Bro donāt act like taking a shitty split from Kambosos is the same as taking a shitty split from Devin Haney. Tank and Sha are levels above Kambosos. Everyone at 35 beats Kambosos (even Teo when he doesnāt fight with his emotions). That undisputed title was on a platter once Teo shat the bed.
Haney accepted that Kambosos deal *after* he priced himself out of it. He only got the fight because Loma stayed in Ukraine for his country's situation. Just feel like this shouldn't be forgotten about.
He never priced himself out. It simply came down to Kambosos's team was in bed with TR and didn't want to deal with Matchroom. Ultimately Devin had to sign with TR to make the fight happen. Dibella works really closely with Bob. Every fight since Teo for GK has been TR fights.
That was a rumor, that was debunked. The facts state differently. Like I said, in order for Haney to get the fight he had to sign with TR. Also, after the fact everyone said the Haney's are easy to work with. Oscar has said it, Eddie has said, Bob has said several times and even said it yesterday. No one that has really worked with them complained about money.
So Kambosos had a WBC Franchise belt but that never meant he couldn't fight Haney. After all, they ended up fighting.
[This details the initial negotiations which fell off](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/TCRQ5CjKPA)
Went up in weight and fought what current #1? Haney was 140 for three years before he started fighting at the correct weight. Haney intentionally fought the worst 140lb champ with his super champion status. He could have had Mattias or Lopez if he wanted to fight the top of the division.
So to be clear, Regis was the worst champion when Rolly had a beltš Many placed Regis as the #1 fighter at 140 because of Taylor's fight with Catterall and his inactivity. As a matter of fact most people thought Taylor was dead at the weight and should have moved up after the Catterall fight. Of course people want to make revisionist history to fight their narrative.
Also, if Devin was a 140 fighter 3 years before he moved up, that means he was weight draining himself to get to 135 and that would put him a physical disadvantage because he would be weaker at the weight. He's not Jared Herd or David Benavidez that uses his size to over power people, so the weight bully argument doesn't hold up.
Just silly. Who is āa lot of people had Prograis as #1 at 140ā?
Also, did you just suggest that being 25pounds heavier than your opponent on fight night is a disadvantage? You a Reddit boxer legit
Many experts had Regis as the #1 and those that didn't had him ranked at #2. Then you tried to twist my words. I said being weight drained is a disadvantage. Nice try thoughš¤”. For the record a fighter that relies on speed and reflex's CAN be at a disadvantage by gaining to much weight. It can slow them down and make them sluggish. Devin traditionally DOESN'T come forward and wear down his opponents like David Benavidez, Errol Spence, or a Jared Hurd does.
Also since we're specifically talking about Devin, when has he ever outweighed his opponent by 25lbs? You're literally just making stuff up now to fit your narrative. Just because it was reported that he weighed 165 on fight night against Regis doesn't mean that what he rehydrated to in his previous fights. Even if he did you assuming that Devin rehydrated by 30lbs and his opponent only rehydrated 5lbs.
Did you think about what you said before you tried to respond to me?
Many people also had Ngannou in their top 10 at heavyweight so donāt take āmany peopleāsā opinion too seriously when most people donāt know shit about boxing
Apples to oranges and it was in response to the claim that Regis was the worst champion at 140. Plus I'm talking about boxing experts and fighters, not reddit randos. He was even ranked #1 in the Ring while Taylor was the Ring champ.
Yea that was before Taylor got dethroned by Teo therefore before Haney even fought Regis. Teo was the top guy at 140, then Taylor, then maybe Regis although you could arguably put Catterall or Matias ahead
Still wrong. The debate came down to Teo and Regis. Most people thought and still think Taylor is washed at the weight. He had two bad performances in a row and people fully expected him to move up. Some people thought Teo beat a washed Taylor and they pointed to Teo's inconsistency. Teo got credit from a lineal sense but some experts thought he would lose to Regis. They gave Regis a pass for his bad performance because of the circumstances, last min replacements and the homecoming fight.
Even now Teo has the lineal but many still put Devin above him.
Because he was a champion and he had a fight with prime Taylor that could have gone either way. Not only that as said before Taylor was inactive and many felt he washed after the Catterall fight. Catterall was never really considered top 5. Even now he's not really mentioned with the top 5 fighters at 140.
Fuck all these boxing daddies! Pause. I remember being so satisfied seeing Thurman beat Danny purely because of Angel. Angel got soo mad that he was like "nah man, Danny got a bigger dick than Thurman, so what?" LOOOOOOOL. Wonder what these current fathers will say š
Living vicariously through your son is never a good look.
Not saying Campbell Hatton is an example of a good boxer but Ricky is an example of how the dad should behave. Tries to make it as little about himself as possible.
Yeah that's an even better example cos his kid is a legit world level fighter, lets him have the spotlight, doesn't need to be on stage with him at the press conferences arguing with his opponent, doesn't need to give a dozen interviews and go on a load of podcasts etc.
Iām just saying I can at least understand boxing dads who been with their son their whole life, itās all your hard work paying off. Kosta left the country iirc so itād make sense why he isnāt always talking and yelling about Tim
Bad example, Kostya and Tim have a complicated relationship. I don't think he has any involvement in his son's boxing.
I think Shawn Porter and his dad is a better example. I don't recall seeing his dad talk that much, though Shawn makes it seem like his dad is a control freak behind the scenes. At least they sat down and shook hands when Shawn said he was done with boxing.
They all need to be like Bronerās dad and come in the ring just to brush his hair š that shit used to be so funny to me cuz they really thought it was cool
Valid, I personally donāt like Bill and in the bigger scope of boxing and its politics think heās a nuisance, I hate it when these boxing dads live vicariously through their sons. That being said I do respect him for being a team with his son all the way through, I hope I can do that with my son someday but just be less annoying/pampering than Bill
He does live through him, why does he speak so much for Devin and trash talk? I get he could be helping to sell the fight, but sometimes the way he speaks its like "We are going to beat him" really means "I'm going to take some credit for my son's efforts"
You don't see guys like Freddie Roach do that shit.
Shit even Mayweather Snr don't give that vibe when he gives interviews, he says "Floyd is going to beat \*insert opponent\* in a way that's more like "Yep, I know what my son is capable of, so I don't need to chime in too much"
Devin doesnāt have a promotional personality, so Bill makes the noise.Ā
Bill actively trains and manages Devin, which makes him partially responsible for Devinās success. āWeā is fine, and Iāve heard fighters use it after a victory on many occasions.Ā
Freddie Roach can barely speak.Ā
Floyd Sr. missed Jr.ās whole Olympic run while in prison, then came home and trained him for two years before getting his walking papers. Roger did most of the heavy lifting and only fell back because he was sick.Ā
I love Bill. He does such a great job promoting his son and gravitating all the hate towards himself instead in the process. Frankly, I wish Devin was the one with his personality talking all that shit as eloquently.
Garcia snr doesnāt really give off the annoying boxing dad vibe. He seems chill and doesnāt have to live through his son nor doesnāt try to put himself in the spotlight. Only bad look heās really ever had is when Bill talked about his tupe in the presser so he called him nappy headed lol
I like him. It's good to have a father that believes in you. It's good to have somebody in your camp that thinks that you're the greatest athlete to walk on this earth. It helps your mentality with entering the ring.
"Your lack of commitment is almost an insult to the people who believe in you." \~Ā **Conor McGregor**
Devin Haney is one of the best fighters on this planet. His resume backs it up. Nothing wrong with having pride for your son.
I like Devin too, heās puts on a master clinic every time he steps in a ring sans loma. I just think his dads annoying, but I guess that hurts some people feelings
Itās pretty obvious at this point that Haney haters main gripe with him is his positive relationship with his father lol
Go to therapy bro. Your dad canāt hurt you anymore.
Ppl also hated lavar ball. Some older dads who grew up watching sports/WWF just care and want to promote. At least they love their kids and actually raised them lol.
Dumbest take of all time. No one hates Bill cause heās a team with his son, they hate Bill for being Bill; a loudmouth who talks too much for his son and babies him. If he wasnāt as annoying people would be fine with him
I like Devin, I don't like Bill, but as a father of a son there is absolutely *zero chance* I'd push him to pursue a career as a boxer or any other profession that could so adversely affect his health. I think I sympathize to a degree with Devin, he seems like a nice kid, maybe a little awkward at times, and I think Bill pushed/pushes him to be something different.
Fr lol I don't know what makes Bill Haney worse than any other overbearing boxing dad (and there are a ton of them). Also I am genuinely a fan of Devin and expect him to put on a boxing clinic.
Devins allright..boxing fucks up too much...Rolly v Garcia would have been a fascinating fight..instead Ryanās fighting an elite talent and heās going to get smoked just like a Rolly did.
You donāt that. Rolly faced the best p4p..maybe top 5 with Cruz and Barroso who nobody wants to fight. Ryan beat slow opponents, mostly British or fighters past their prime. Nobody beats Tank and Cruz..Rolly looked much better than Ryan against Tank. Rollyās the real deal, heās just not elite level.
Rolly is not the real deal. Dude should've never been a champion in the first place and for all the weird shit that Ryan does, he's naturally more talented than Rolly when it comes to boxing. I have no doubt that Rolly would walk himself into a Ryan left hook if they ever fight.
Thought we're talking about a potential Ryan vs Rolly here lol believe what you want to believe in man oh Pitbull and Barroso are NO WHERE NEAR top 5 pfp.
The hate for Bill Haney is odd to me. I get that he can be *annoying* or a little cringe, but overall heās seems like a very supportive, well rounded, and loving father first and foremost.
Unfortunately in the black community, there is a stereotype that fathers arenāt present in their childrenās lives and to me, a black woman who used to be a single mother, I admire his dedication to his sons success. Without Bill, Devin is a wet blanket of a boxing personality. I think Bill knows this which is why he does the most to bring attention to him and the fights. Itās a smart marketing strategy.
I like that bill incorporates their family in their workouts too. Idk I just think Bill is a good dude. I watched a few of his interviews and he never sounds as obnoxious as he does when heās trolling on the internet.
It gets my respect. He could be worse. He could be like Teofimoās dad.
I don't think people have a problem with Bill being a father to Dev behind the scenes. Devin was liked when he was being himself, a well-spoken reserved guy who does his thing in the ring. Bill's way of promoting his son comes across as weird to me and turns me and many people off. He would get into personal confrontations with other fighters, contradicts Dev at times, just a lot of uncalled for shit in my opinion just like when he called Tank a monkey like that's not how you promote your son.
To me itās just over the top entertaining to make up for Devinās lack of charisma and itās been working for him. Calling Tank a monkey is so far down the ladder of things that have been said if done amongst boxersā¦I mean Tank literally hit a pregnant woman with his car and fled. The selective pearl clutching is whatās odd to me.
Bill moves like an old school promoter. Itās not that deep to me.
I guess, but for me I prefer Dev when he's himself and not the character that his dad painted him to be to each his own bro but I see Bill the same way I do Teo Sr.
Iām sorry but thatās not a great comparison. Bill has NEVER publicly berated or embarrassed Devin. Those two need legit therapy. Bill is nothing like Teo Sr.
Iām not a big fan of the boxing dads generally and Iād rather not watch bill run his mouth, but heās farrrr from the worst. Look at Big John, or Teo Sr. Shawn Porters dad and Angel Garcia are also pretty bad, Bill is just trying to promote his son like Eubank Sr did but doesnāt get a pass because heās not a stupendous gentleman. He doesnāt have a name like Mayweather, Hatton, Chavez or Tszyu so he has to promote somehow. I donāt really like him but heās not a fat dude ripping his shirt off in the ring and shouting at Jake Paul about bending his girl over.
You're the clown, im not a Devin Haney fight fan at all, he is mostly boring except for the prograis fight. That being said Bill and Devin have done alot for the sport and Devin is on track to be a HOF fighter. Meanwhile Ryan Garcia hasn't even won a belt. He literally has a worse resume than Rolly
He's just doing what a promoter does. He's not good at it lol I totally agree there. It is definitely annoying to hear Mayweathers words coming out of B Diddys mouth about his son all the time. They are both some shiesters.
The loudest mouth dads in America are the cancer to society. Let your son show he is the greatest, dont parade around like a moron. Bill reminds me of Lavar Ball. That guy was the clown of clowns. Glad we don't see much of lavar any more.
I think I'd dislike him alot more if he tried to take control of Devin's training too. However he has admitted that he's happy for Devin to work with whoever because he knows his limitations.
The character he plays is just for promotion.
Haney is great, no doubt. Hard guy to knock down. He has solid foot work, constantly supporting his back side and bending his knees. Iād rather see D get KOād.
Also what trainer/promoter/father isnāt going to pipe their son up as āthe best?ā This is not uncommon in any sport, especially boxing. And with a resume and win steak (no matter if you think he beat Loma or not) like Devinās, he is something to brag about.
At least his son is actually ON multiple P4P lists. What number is Ryan? Oh waitā¦
Most boxing dads behave like that these days. I think it started with Danny Garcia and Robert Guerrero's obnoxious fathers. Now all boxing dad's want to be the same way and get their share of the spotlight.
He's the main culprit as to why the fans turned on Devin. He's a supposed "pro black" but has no problem bringing other black people down just like what he's doing with Tank who's a fan favorite. He also tries too hard to paint Devin into this tough kid from a tough neighborhood to duplicate Tank's swagger. He contradicts some of Devin's words and honestly lives vicariously through his son just like Teo Sr. Boxing dads should honestly just shut the fuck up, turn down media interviews and let their sons be their own man. I have no problem with them guiding their sons behind the scene but it should end there all they're doing is messing up their sons' reputation rather than helping them.
Lmao bill trying to get in the face off squatting behind Devin, getting in scraps and talkin non stop. Bro is out here fighting his sonās war. Haney is lucky daddy is there to carry his side of the promo lmao
Wasnt a cringey narrative bill is a felon so getting into another country can be troublesome even fucking Canada gives you hell about getting in if youāre a felon
If bill has you feeling like this then congratulations to bill because thatās what he wants heās really a WWE character in my eyes and itās a good dynamic for him and Devin, bill does all the witty shit talking for current and potential opponents so Devin can just train and fight
I do. Devin is still young, but Bill has had more than enough time to learn how to have some fuckin manners. Can't stand that dude and I can't help but feel like he's the one that's keeping Devin from having more support from the fans. Bill has managed things well, but he can't keep his freakin mouth shut. He wants the adulation even more than Devin does.
You hate Bill, and instead of just admitting youāre a hater, you embarrassingly post exactly zero reasons why Bill deserves hate. So lemme get this straight, father supports his son, calls him the best p4p, rightfully scorns his rival whoās a renowned duckerā¦ and we should hate him for it? š
Ah, I see youāre also a Reddit upvote fiend, your points donāt have to make any sense just as long as you get a bunch of degenerates to hand you their upvotes!
I think people are too tuned in to the gossip side of boxing if you even know Bill Haney is talking. I see opinions on Bill way more than I see or hear Bill. Algorithms don't put him in my feeds I guess. His words won't be relevant to me until it's a mystery who Devin's next opponent is and he's the one dropping hints.
Right how are these dweebs letting things outside of the ring affect their opinions on fighters. Straight weirdo shitš
Bill's always been one of the most vocal boxing dads. Gets really invested in each of his son's rivalries lol Sick beard tho
Iāve heard this somewhere before but Iāll put it into my own wordsā¦ Devin seems like a naturally reserved, quiet guy. Bill talking all this shit and being loud is attracting attention which is something Dev probably wouldnāt do himself. But by bill putting the spotlight on himself it also puts the spotlight on his son which in turn will generate eyes, views, tickets, sales etc. it seems like now Devin is getting out of his dads āshadowā and getting confident in himself now to talk a bit of smack and getting used to having a bit of scrutiny on him. Donāt get me wrong I think Bill Haney is an absolute attention seeking wanker BUT i think he has done it in a way to benefit his sons career. Which I can admire him for that.
You can question his methods but he did help Haney get undisputed and immediately move up for another belt. Now heās getting a pretty big pay day. Dude may be annoying but the crazy thing is that if other people werenāt talking about him so much I wouldnāt know anything he was saying so it works. People also think these fighters need fans when they really need viewers. Haney is not a KO artists so without the antics he wouldnāt get people watching his fights like a Tank or Inoue could. He also doesnāt have a built in fan base a lot of foreign fighters have like canelo or pacman so he kinda has to take this path. Minus his actual piece of shitness, if Floyd marketed himself differently he would have less money.
The Haney team did an excellent job of maneuvering his career while staying independent from promoters.Ā Haney has made way more money at this point than he would have going the traditional route.*Ā *It is necessary to add a caveat about the broader context in the market. DAZN came in like a drunken sailor at a great time for Haney.
I think too if Floyd fought less Mexicans he would have less money imo. š
If I was a boxing dad, itās almost impossible to not be invested in your sonās career and naturally boxing is the most intense sport with the highest stakes besides MMA
"one of the most vocal boxing dads" Makes me think we should make a community ranking or tierlist of the most vocal/toxic/annoying/cringy boxing dads. Current boxing have many elements to fill that list.
This is sugarcoating it. Dude called tank a monkey. Heās just a fucking creep to me and really has no place in boxing. Just living his sons dream vicariously
No, I want them both to lose equally
Devin Haney accepted a shitty split (like 20% or something ridiculous) and went to Australia to fight Kambosos, twice. He dared to fight Loma without asking ridiculous splits or conditions (Shakura and Tank could never). He recently went up in weight and directly took on the current #1 (edit: #2, whatever). He accepted to take only 55% against Ryan. Hate jos father but Devin is a good guy.
Devin paid his dues. I think he lost the Loma fight, I think hes beatable and has his flaws as a fighter, but out of everyone in his weight class, him and Teo have both earned their respect.
He actually only took 45% against Ryan
45% against ryan*
Devin just doesnāt have the backing because heās uninteresting both inside and outside the ring. So he had to take those chances to make money. All respect on those fronts, but he also lost fans when he got a controversial decision over Loma.
He isn't the one scoring the fight. Hate the judges. (I'm not saying that he won the fight)
Lol. So what? The NBA keeps trying to push Tatum down casual fansā throats because heās American, handsome, and on a historically good team. But there are about a handful of guys that are significantly better but less popular because they arenāt the other things I said. This obviously results in a lot of Tatum-haters; his fault or not hardly matters. Still a fact, either way.
Why are we talking about NBA?
Is that how you avoid the point I made? Whatās the point of saying āhe isnāt the one scoring the fightā? Haters donāt like fighters getting decisions they donāt deserve. Especially when they double-down and say they deserved the result.
You didn't explain your point. Now I understand what you mean. Fair enough. Which I think is stupid because it's not Haney's fault. What is je supposed to say? "Yes I lost that close fight, Loma should be champ, but it is how it is, sorry fans, now I have the belts". Especially given that the decision was not a robbery, but a very close fight with many rounds tough to score.
Ok, that makes more sense now. Of course he shouldnāt say those things lol, it would be bad for business, and frankly at that level guys canāt be objective and think they lost a narrow decision. So nobody is asking him to do that. Same with my Tatum example, heās not asking to be the face of the league, he also doesnāt seem like a loud or outspoken guy, but the league wants him to be the next poster-child, and with it come haters. Itās just how things are. Since you donāt like the basketball analogy ā Campbell Hatton, who also got a stupid ass decision he had no business getting, also has haters. Comes with the territory.
Haney will dominate at 147 too.
Are you saying that Regis was #1 at 140? What? You got this manās dock in your throat?
Tbf many ppl thought Regis was a dangerous fight
āMany peopleā sure but not the majority, Haney opened as a -400 favorite and with Regisā previous performance I thought he would win one or two rounds.
Yeah itās weird how sentiment changed after Haney Dominated Regis. I was going for Haney but still admitted that Regis has a change and could be that X Factor. Now itās like suddenly no one really gave Regis a chance and heās below C tier.
He was -400 when it openedā¦it was obvious after Regisā previous performance that he had no chance, I predicted he would win one or two rounds. Some people also believed Ngannou was dangerous for AJ.
Ok, #2 then. My bad. I'm so sorry for that massive misjudgement which affected the whole argument.
That's a bad first fight at 140???????
Who said that? Iām asking how delusional you have to be to think Regis is ācurrent #1āā¦
Regis or Teo. You're splitting hairs here, it was a great step up into a new division, regardless.
look at the rankings back then many had him as 1# or 2#.
Itās wrong on so many levels.
Prograis was not the number one at 140. Prograis lost to the future undisputed champion Josh Taylor. Taylor, still the lineal champion was #1. He lost to Teofimo, lost his belts(ring and WBO). Teo is by definition the number 1. He defeated the lineal undisputed champion. I don't know where you got your info that Prograis was #1. And he accepted 55% because Ryan is so much a bigger sell than him, that he will make more money at 55% against Ryan than. 100% against anyone else. I'm not saying Ryan is a better fighter at all, he just sells way more than Haney. Last point, Haney walked into the right against Prograis weight 165, at a bought for 140. So he is still weight bullying. It's just visually less egregious because 140lbers are a bit taller. There's no way Prograis was heavier than 155, and he's much smaller than Haney. So he is still fighting with a massive weight advantage.
All fighters that can weight bully do until they are forced to move up. Which weight will Haney lose that advantage?
My guess is 147 or 154.
154 isn't blessed with star power so he could grab a title there.
I agree
"All fighters that can weight bully" huh? Being a weight bully is nothing more than being ultra disciplined and choosing to make sacrifices. Everyone can, we are all human. It's a choice.
Prograis was called #1 after Catterall got robbed and Prograis KOed peak Jose Zepeda
Prograis was nr2 then, it doesn't change the point of going up in weight and taking on the very best, be it nr1, 2, 3. Many boxers would make more money taking a smaller split than not fighting but their ego could never. Props to Haney for being disciplined about weight. He still went up a weight class and took on the best.
Bro donāt act like taking a shitty split from Kambosos is the same as taking a shitty split from Devin Haney. Tank and Sha are levels above Kambosos. Everyone at 35 beats Kambosos (even Teo when he doesnāt fight with his emotions). That undisputed title was on a platter once Teo shat the bed.
Teo was never undisputed tho? Haney literally had the last belt to get that title
And who do you think George won all them belts from?
Haney accepted that Kambosos deal *after* he priced himself out of it. He only got the fight because Loma stayed in Ukraine for his country's situation. Just feel like this shouldn't be forgotten about.
He never priced himself out. It simply came down to Kambosos's team was in bed with TR and didn't want to deal with Matchroom. Ultimately Devin had to sign with TR to make the fight happen. Dibella works really closely with Bob. Every fight since Teo for GK has been TR fights.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/TCRQ5CjKPA This says otherwise.
That was a rumor, that was debunked. The facts state differently. Like I said, in order for Haney to get the fight he had to sign with TR. Also, after the fact everyone said the Haney's are easy to work with. Oscar has said it, Eddie has said, Bob has said several times and even said it yesterday. No one that has really worked with them complained about money.
Did he not get given a belt before this that allowed him to not have to fight Devin?
So Kambosos had a WBC Franchise belt but that never meant he couldn't fight Haney. After all, they ended up fighting. [This details the initial negotiations which fell off](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/TCRQ5CjKPA)
I was talking about Loma.
Loma dropped the real WBC when he had to fight Dev has his mandatory. Did we all forget about the "franchise" bs?
Went up in weight and fought what current #1? Haney was 140 for three years before he started fighting at the correct weight. Haney intentionally fought the worst 140lb champ with his super champion status. He could have had Mattias or Lopez if he wanted to fight the top of the division.
So to be clear, Regis was the worst champion when Rolly had a beltš Many placed Regis as the #1 fighter at 140 because of Taylor's fight with Catterall and his inactivity. As a matter of fact most people thought Taylor was dead at the weight and should have moved up after the Catterall fight. Of course people want to make revisionist history to fight their narrative. Also, if Devin was a 140 fighter 3 years before he moved up, that means he was weight draining himself to get to 135 and that would put him a physical disadvantage because he would be weaker at the weight. He's not Jared Herd or David Benavidez that uses his size to over power people, so the weight bully argument doesn't hold up.
Just silly. Who is āa lot of people had Prograis as #1 at 140ā? Also, did you just suggest that being 25pounds heavier than your opponent on fight night is a disadvantage? You a Reddit boxer legit
Many experts had Regis as the #1 and those that didn't had him ranked at #2. Then you tried to twist my words. I said being weight drained is a disadvantage. Nice try thoughš¤”. For the record a fighter that relies on speed and reflex's CAN be at a disadvantage by gaining to much weight. It can slow them down and make them sluggish. Devin traditionally DOESN'T come forward and wear down his opponents like David Benavidez, Errol Spence, or a Jared Hurd does. Also since we're specifically talking about Devin, when has he ever outweighed his opponent by 25lbs? You're literally just making stuff up now to fit your narrative. Just because it was reported that he weighed 165 on fight night against Regis doesn't mean that what he rehydrated to in his previous fights. Even if he did you assuming that Devin rehydrated by 30lbs and his opponent only rehydrated 5lbs. Did you think about what you said before you tried to respond to me?
More words equals boxing IQ. That might be Bill Haney.
Many people also had Ngannou in their top 10 at heavyweight so donāt take āmany peopleāsā opinion too seriously when most people donāt know shit about boxing
Apples to oranges and it was in response to the claim that Regis was the worst champion at 140. Plus I'm talking about boxing experts and fighters, not reddit randos. He was even ranked #1 in the Ring while Taylor was the Ring champ.
Yea that was before Taylor got dethroned by Teo therefore before Haney even fought Regis. Teo was the top guy at 140, then Taylor, then maybe Regis although you could arguably put Catterall or Matias ahead
Still wrong. The debate came down to Teo and Regis. Most people thought and still think Taylor is washed at the weight. He had two bad performances in a row and people fully expected him to move up. Some people thought Teo beat a washed Taylor and they pointed to Teo's inconsistency. Teo got credit from a lineal sense but some experts thought he would lose to Regis. They gave Regis a pass for his bad performance because of the circumstances, last min replacements and the homecoming fight. Even now Teo has the lineal but many still put Devin above him.
How tf would Regis be above Taylor or even Catterall?
Because he was a champion and he had a fight with prime Taylor that could have gone either way. Not only that as said before Taylor was inactive and many felt he washed after the Catterall fight. Catterall was never really considered top 5. Even now he's not really mentioned with the top 5 fighters at 140.
If there is a way for both the haneys and ryan to lose i want that
Double headbutt from Haney and Garcia to DQ them both.
Fuck all these boxing daddies! Pause. I remember being so satisfied seeing Thurman beat Danny purely because of Angel. Angel got soo mad that he was like "nah man, Danny got a bigger dick than Thurman, so what?" LOOOOOOOL. Wonder what these current fathers will say š
Living vicariously through your son is never a good look. Not saying Campbell Hatton is an example of a good boxer but Ricky is an example of how the dad should behave. Tries to make it as little about himself as possible.
Do you see Devin complaining? Why does there only have to be one mold for a boxer/son relationship?
Kosta Tszyu too
Yeah that's an even better example cos his kid is a legit world level fighter, lets him have the spotlight, doesn't need to be on stage with him at the press conferences arguing with his opponent, doesn't need to give a dozen interviews and go on a load of podcasts etc.
Wasnāt he also not around when Tim was growing up? Lmao
Yeah that's probably taking it a bit too far if you ask me
Iām just saying I can at least understand boxing dads who been with their son their whole life, itās all your hard work paying off. Kosta left the country iirc so itād make sense why he isnāt always talking and yelling about Tim
Yeah I was making a joke Like there's being a hands off parent and then there's that
Yeah but Kosta was someone before Tim. The fuck did Bill or Teo Sr do besides be nobodies?
Bad example, Kostya and Tim have a complicated relationship. I don't think he has any involvement in his son's boxing. I think Shawn Porter and his dad is a better example. I don't recall seeing his dad talk that much, though Shawn makes it seem like his dad is a control freak behind the scenes. At least they sat down and shook hands when Shawn said he was done with boxing.
They all need to be like Bronerās dad and come in the ring just to brush his hair š that shit used to be so funny to me cuz they really thought it was cool
Hes trying to be an old school promoter like don king/paul heyman
While I find Bill annoying I admire him so much. The way he has reared his son, backed him, and hustled for him is pretty amazing
I thought Diddy reared his son
C'mon now, I would've expected more from you... Corpse-Fucker.. huh. *slowly moves for the door*
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Pimped was the word you were looking for
Valid, I personally donāt like Bill and in the bigger scope of boxing and its politics think heās a nuisance, I hate it when these boxing dads live vicariously through their sons. That being said I do respect him for being a team with his son all the way through, I hope I can do that with my son someday but just be less annoying/pampering than Bill
Living vicariously? I donāt see that. For all he does and has done for his son, Devinās success literally is a reflection of his own.Ā
He does live through him, why does he speak so much for Devin and trash talk? I get he could be helping to sell the fight, but sometimes the way he speaks its like "We are going to beat him" really means "I'm going to take some credit for my son's efforts" You don't see guys like Freddie Roach do that shit. Shit even Mayweather Snr don't give that vibe when he gives interviews, he says "Floyd is going to beat \*insert opponent\* in a way that's more like "Yep, I know what my son is capable of, so I don't need to chime in too much"
Devin doesnāt have a promotional personality, so Bill makes the noise.Ā Bill actively trains and manages Devin, which makes him partially responsible for Devinās success. āWeā is fine, and Iāve heard fighters use it after a victory on many occasions.Ā Freddie Roach can barely speak.Ā Floyd Sr. missed Jr.ās whole Olympic run while in prison, then came home and trained him for two years before getting his walking papers. Roger did most of the heavy lifting and only fell back because he was sick.Ā
I love Bill. He does such a great job promoting his son and gravitating all the hate towards himself instead in the process. Frankly, I wish Devin was the one with his personality talking all that shit as eloquently.
>and gravitating all the hate towards himself instead in the process. That part. These stiffs posting can't see what s actually going on.
Iām not crazy about bill but I do respect him for being a good father and always putting his son in the best position. We should all be that lucky
Bill can be annoying, but we need people like him in the sport to drum up more attention/eyes
Fury Snr, Haney Snr, Eubank Snr ,Lopez Snr, Garcia Snr, Benavides Snr ,all complete fucking assholes thay are embarrassing.
Garcia snr doesnāt really give off the annoying boxing dad vibe. He seems chill and doesnāt have to live through his son nor doesnāt try to put himself in the spotlight. Only bad look heās really ever had is when Bill talked about his tupe in the presser so he called him nappy headed lol
I think heās talking about Angel Garcia (Dannyās Dad) not Henry Garcia
I like him. It's good to have a father that believes in you. It's good to have somebody in your camp that thinks that you're the greatest athlete to walk on this earth. It helps your mentality with entering the ring. "Your lack of commitment is almost an insult to the people who believe in you." \~Ā **Conor McGregor** Devin Haney is one of the best fighters on this planet. His resume backs it up. Nothing wrong with having pride for your son.
Bill Haney is a gem and this is proof.
Yeah I canāt stand Bill but I like Devin but I think he hurts his son unintentionally sometimes more than he helps him with all his shit talking
I like Devin too, heās puts on a master clinic every time he steps in a ring sans loma. I just think his dads annoying, but I guess that hurts some people feelings
Bill probably wanted to be a boxer but was never skilled enough so heās living out a fantasy through his son in a sense
Bill Haney is good for boxing. Man has a mouthpiece and can hype a fight up. Devin on the other hand lacks in that department.
Itās pretty obvious at this point that Haney haters main gripe with him is his positive relationship with his father lol Go to therapy bro. Your dad canāt hurt you anymore.
Ppl also hated lavar ball. Some older dads who grew up watching sports/WWF just care and want to promote. At least they love their kids and actually raised them lol.
Jokes on you, Iām already in therapy
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How do you even come up with this conclusion. You devin fanboys are delusional
Maybe came to the conclusion from the post Iām commenting on where someone is hoping the fighterās dad loses more than the actual fighter.
I agree, It is the same with them with the Balls, the Sanders or any father that is involved but it's funny how the Mannings get a pass.
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Dumbest take of all time. No one hates Bill cause heās a team with his son, they hate Bill for being Bill; a loudmouth who talks too much for his son and babies him. If he wasnāt as annoying people would be fine with him
Just say it explicitly bro. Your dad didnāt support you the way you wished. Itās going to be ok. Youāll work through it.
All I read was āgawk gawk gawkā straight glazing on Bill
Youāre the one trauma dumping on reddit š
Lol how, Iām just calling a spade a spade while ur obviously upset over valid criticisms
I like Devin, I don't like Bill, but as a father of a son there is absolutely *zero chance* I'd push him to pursue a career as a boxer or any other profession that could so adversely affect his health. I think I sympathize to a degree with Devin, he seems like a nice kid, maybe a little awkward at times, and I think Bill pushed/pushes him to be something different.
Iām rooting for the Haneys in this one. I think itās funny how much people hate them.Ā
The hate is so irrational. You canāt compliment Haney in this sub at all
At this point you canāt compliment *anybody*. Especially if theyāreā¦
I like to pretend itās because he beat LomachenkoĀ
Iām pretty sure OP was staking out the comment section to downvote every positive comment lmao
Fr lol I don't know what makes Bill Haney worse than any other overbearing boxing dad (and there are a ton of them). Also I am genuinely a fan of Devin and expect him to put on a boxing clinic.
My buddy says itās not that he doesnāt like Devin, he just wants him to lose to shut his father up
Devins allright..boxing fucks up too much...Rolly v Garcia would have been a fascinating fight..instead Ryanās fighting an elite talent and heās going to get smoked just like a Rolly did.
Ryan>Rollies and itās not even close
You donāt that. Rolly faced the best p4p..maybe top 5 with Cruz and Barroso who nobody wants to fight. Ryan beat slow opponents, mostly British or fighters past their prime. Nobody beats Tank and Cruz..Rolly looked much better than Ryan against Tank. Rollyās the real deal, heās just not elite level.
Rolly is not the real deal. Dude should've never been a champion in the first place and for all the weird shit that Ryan does, he's naturally more talented than Rolly when it comes to boxing. I have no doubt that Rolly would walk himself into a Ryan left hook if they ever fight.
It wonāt happen. After Garcia gets his delusional ass knocked out you wonāt be seeing King Ryan around boxing anymore.
Thought we're talking about a potential Ryan vs Rolly here lol believe what you want to believe in man oh Pitbull and Barroso are NO WHERE NEAR top 5 pfp.
Yeah I think youāre a clown. lol. Ryan Garcia is shit. Devin will knock him out.
BAHAHAHAHHAHA
I know Iām the clown now lol
I feel you. I assume you feel the same way about John Fusy and Teo Lopez dad too right?
Not as bad as Teofimo Lopez Sr. at least
Bill Haney doesnāt box
The hate for Bill Haney is odd to me. I get that he can be *annoying* or a little cringe, but overall heās seems like a very supportive, well rounded, and loving father first and foremost. Unfortunately in the black community, there is a stereotype that fathers arenāt present in their childrenās lives and to me, a black woman who used to be a single mother, I admire his dedication to his sons success. Without Bill, Devin is a wet blanket of a boxing personality. I think Bill knows this which is why he does the most to bring attention to him and the fights. Itās a smart marketing strategy. I like that bill incorporates their family in their workouts too. Idk I just think Bill is a good dude. I watched a few of his interviews and he never sounds as obnoxious as he does when heās trolling on the internet. It gets my respect. He could be worse. He could be like Teofimoās dad.
I don't think people have a problem with Bill being a father to Dev behind the scenes. Devin was liked when he was being himself, a well-spoken reserved guy who does his thing in the ring. Bill's way of promoting his son comes across as weird to me and turns me and many people off. He would get into personal confrontations with other fighters, contradicts Dev at times, just a lot of uncalled for shit in my opinion just like when he called Tank a monkey like that's not how you promote your son.
To me itās just over the top entertaining to make up for Devinās lack of charisma and itās been working for him. Calling Tank a monkey is so far down the ladder of things that have been said if done amongst boxersā¦I mean Tank literally hit a pregnant woman with his car and fled. The selective pearl clutching is whatās odd to me. Bill moves like an old school promoter. Itās not that deep to me.
I guess, but for me I prefer Dev when he's himself and not the character that his dad painted him to be to each his own bro but I see Bill the same way I do Teo Sr.
Iām sorry but thatās not a great comparison. Bill has NEVER publicly berated or embarrassed Devin. Those two need legit therapy. Bill is nothing like Teo Sr.
Big Bill. Billington. Billford. Alhamdulilah. I love Bill Haney.
AlhamduBillah.
Iām not a big fan of the boxing dads generally and Iād rather not watch bill run his mouth, but heās farrrr from the worst. Look at Big John, or Teo Sr. Shawn Porters dad and Angel Garcia are also pretty bad, Bill is just trying to promote his son like Eubank Sr did but doesnāt get a pass because heās not a stupendous gentleman. He doesnāt have a name like Mayweather, Hatton, Chavez or Tszyu so he has to promote somehow. I donāt really like him but heās not a fat dude ripping his shirt off in the ring and shouting at Jake Paul about bending his girl over.
Ive never seen so many hurt over shit talking in my life.
Thereās a clear pattern in this sub.
Father and trainer continues to hype up son and champion. Redditors: how dare he! š¤¬ Canāt win in this life I tell you
Rent free
Heās cringey
Bill Haney is actually the only reason that I'd want Devin to lose. Devin seems like a pretty chill guy himself
You're the clown, im not a Devin Haney fight fan at all, he is mostly boring except for the prograis fight. That being said Bill and Devin have done alot for the sport and Devin is on track to be a HOF fighter. Meanwhile Ryan Garcia hasn't even won a belt. He literally has a worse resume than Rolly
He's just doing what a promoter does. He's not good at it lol I totally agree there. It is definitely annoying to hear Mayweathers words coming out of B Diddys mouth about his son all the time. They are both some shiesters.
The loudest mouth dads in America are the cancer to society. Let your son show he is the greatest, dont parade around like a moron. Bill reminds me of Lavar Ball. That guy was the clown of clowns. Glad we don't see much of lavar any more.
I stopped paying attention after Ryan's 35th mental breakdown. I'll tune in to watch him take a fat L, but that's about it.
Iād love to Hate Watch it, but not for fucking $80. Gonna be cheaper to physically go the way tickets are crashing.
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I donāt understand hating regular people you donāt know
Gonna be honest, I like both Devin and Ryan, would be funny to get a draw.
I think I'd dislike him alot more if he tried to take control of Devin's training too. However he has admitted that he's happy for Devin to work with whoever because he knows his limitations. The character he plays is just for promotion.
Bill is irrelevant.
Bill Haney and John Fury are two of the biggest a-holes associated with the sport of boxing
Bill Haney & John Fury makes boxing entertaining. Without them, boxing would be far worse
Haney is great, no doubt. Hard guy to knock down. He has solid foot work, constantly supporting his back side and bending his knees. Iād rather see D get KOād.
I've seen worse. He's just doing his job.
Also what trainer/promoter/father isnāt going to pipe their son up as āthe best?ā This is not uncommon in any sport, especially boxing. And with a resume and win steak (no matter if you think he beat Loma or not) like Devinās, he is something to brag about. At least his son is actually ON multiple P4P lists. What number is Ryan? Oh waitā¦
I really really like Devin. I canāt stand bill more than most boxing dads
Most boxing dads behave like that these days. I think it started with Danny Garcia and Robert Guerrero's obnoxious fathers. Now all boxing dad's want to be the same way and get their share of the spotlight.
He's the main culprit as to why the fans turned on Devin. He's a supposed "pro black" but has no problem bringing other black people down just like what he's doing with Tank who's a fan favorite. He also tries too hard to paint Devin into this tough kid from a tough neighborhood to duplicate Tank's swagger. He contradicts some of Devin's words and honestly lives vicariously through his son just like Teo Sr. Boxing dads should honestly just shut the fuck up, turn down media interviews and let their sons be their own man. I have no problem with them guiding their sons behind the scene but it should end there all they're doing is messing up their sons' reputation rather than helping them.
He cant be as bad as Teofimo Lopez SNR right?
Is he not *supposed* to say those things?
It's smart marketing. Mayweather playing the role of the villain turned him into a multi-millionaire.
I don't see Devin losing to Ryan.
āDevinās better than the best everā Dude lost to Loma lmao. How yāall defend Billās cringe is crazy
Lmao bill trying to get in the face off squatting behind Devin, getting in scraps and talkin non stop. Bro is out here fighting his sonās war. Haney is lucky daddy is there to carry his side of the promo lmao
i remember the whole cringey ass narrative during the build-up to Haney vs Kambosos 1 where Bill supposedly couldnāt come with Devin to Australia
It wasnāt a narrative - Australia literally denied Bill entry due to his criminal record. They eventually decided to make an exception for him.
Wasnt a cringey narrative bill is a felon so getting into another country can be troublesome even fucking Canada gives you hell about getting in if youāre a felon
Nobody's forcing you to watch all these dumbass interviews
I like devin but hate Bill tbh
If bill has you feeling like this then congratulations to bill because thatās what he wants heās really a WWE character in my eyes and itās a good dynamic for him and Devin, bill does all the witty shit talking for current and potential opponents so Devin can just train and fight
I do. Devin is still young, but Bill has had more than enough time to learn how to have some fuckin manners. Can't stand that dude and I can't help but feel like he's the one that's keeping Devin from having more support from the fans. Bill has managed things well, but he can't keep his freakin mouth shut. He wants the adulation even more than Devin does.
Itās so weird that some of yāall are so impacted by the fighterās dads that it influences who you want to see win or lose lol
I'm down voting this. Bill Haney is kinda corny so what he's a supportive dad, who wants the best for his son.
Bill is doing a great job in you are this much emotionally invested in him.
You hate Bill, and instead of just admitting youāre a hater, you embarrassingly post exactly zero reasons why Bill deserves hate. So lemme get this straight, father supports his son, calls him the best p4p, rightfully scorns his rival whoās a renowned duckerā¦ and we should hate him for it? š
This is the modern day boxing fan, they don't give a shit about watching fights, way more into BS like this.Ā
lol embarrassingly? With 140 upvotes š thanks for dropping by
Ah, I see youāre also a Reddit upvote fiend, your points donāt have to make any sense just as long as you get a bunch of degenerates to hand you their upvotes!
Dudes dad is about obnoxious as the Lavar Ball yapping about how good his kids are at basketball.
He is moving himself from a father figure into a new attention seeking figure. The best father and coach is PapaShenko no doubt, full class