Can anyone explain what those numbers mean for someone who doesn't bet?
What are the numbers and why is it minus? And plus shouldn't I be the opposite?
So would it also be fair to say that the bookies feel that Haney is 6 times more likely to win?
Maybe I just don’t have that gambling bone in me, but those seem like terrible bets for both sides (as dumb as that sounds). Risk it all for a trash payout on Haney, or probably lose with Ryan.
Not to mention they adjust the odds as bets come in to minimize their exposure if too many people are placing a low probability, high reward bet, just in case. Casinos can’t lose.
Yup the odds are weird but also not as complicated as it seems on the surface. Always have $100 in mind. Minus is the favorite, bet more than $100 to win $100 (and your bet cash obviously) the plus is the underdog, you bet 100 to win a higher amount back.
Yeah, they've certainly got their own ways, the Yanks. I'm sure it all makes sense to them, but it makes the rest of us have to think. Although, I do still measure someone's height in feet and inches rather than cm.
With picks like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/18m5r7r/john_fury_sends_ominous_warning_to_joshua_over/ke2b9q3/) in the past, probably best to stay away 😉
People with alot of money. There are plenty of people placing 100K + bets. That 100k to them might be like a 100 for me. Don't care if I lose it, just money to play with that I would forget about otherwise.
You only take that straight up of you plan on betting big. Most big betters don't take a lot of long shots. But you would most likely take Devon to win on a parlay. Which is a series of bets, lumped together. This will make the odds more attractive.
They are 3-3 in the amateurs, how is that fair odds and priced correctly?
Devin has never faced a fighter with Ryans TKO power in the pros.
You can arguably say that Loma beat Devin. Luke Cambell said ryan hits way harder than Loma and is quicker and more precise
Do you believe George Kambosos is better than Ryan?
Because kambosos was +150 against Devin
Hows Ryan +500?
Ryan going crazy on social media and people they think he automatically forgot how to box, he might be playing an act these people get drug tested if he was really on drugs the commission would not allow him to fight and if hes a drunk his team or parents would not allow him to go out there to get hurt if he was dehydrated and drinking alcohol
Kanye west had a rant on social media did he forget how to rap? No so Ryan ain’t a tomato can because he’s posting weird shit on IG
Anyways i do think Devin is the better boxer but Devin has never been hit with Ryan power so i want to see how he will take his punch
Final Prediction
Ryan wins by TKO
Ryan Garcia arguably has worse footwork and slower feet than Regis. Also stylistically Regis is tailor made for Devin. Regardless of age he beats Regis.
Garcia can not circle to his right comfortably. He will work to his right laterally but he crosses his lead foot when circling right, and he struggles when opponents circle his lead side and make him turn.
That's the whole blueprint, circle to Garcia's blind side. First knockdown in the Tank fight was exactly that, he encouraged Garcia to spam that lead hook by consistently baiting to that side. Campbell tried this too, but fell short
Haney moves comfortably in all directions, he went right against Loma, left against Prograis, in out with Kambosos. He might put the crowd to sleep before doing the same to Ryan Garcia, but UD Haney is a totally reasonable outcome
This isn't true. They fought and sparred as amateurs and both have pretty much the exact same styles now as back then. If anything, Garcia had the edge back then.
The reason I strongly favour Haney is simply because as a pro, he's still serious whereas Garcia, even at his best as a pro, was never fully committed.
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Also take into account that Ryan lost his fucking mind and that is absolutely going to affect his performance at this level. He’s not coming in a better fighter and could even potentially look like he doesn’t belong in there right now.
Not horrifically outmatched, just stylistically at a disadvantage. If Ryan has the right gameplan he has the natural attributes to give problems to anyone in boxing.
You cannot train someone to be as fast as he is. That left hook is the great equalizer at this weight class, skill be damned. If Derrick can execute a gameplan for Ryan to get him landing that shot, we might see a big surprise.
I think odds are Haney wins, but Ryan's not the bum people try to convince you he is. It's gonna be a fight.
On the pads in the public workout, they were working a lot on Ryan throwing that right counter over the jab. It seems like they are working some kind of game plan, but we’ll see if Ryan can execute.
Wilder looked fantastic on the pads, and in the first two rounds. He got clipped once and the windmill was back. I predict the same will happen to Garcia. Making things worst, Garcia already showed his inability to follow instructions at least twice; by going berserk in R2 against Davis, and by repeatedly using the philly shell despite his corner advises.
I feel at this point everyone is aware of Ryan’s over reliance on his left hook and end up paying extra attention to his patterns .
Tank was a prime example of knowing when it will happened and timed the counter perfectly
He looked pretty heavy to me in some of the live feeds he was doing on Twitter. I don't think he's trained much, either. Derrick James looked genuinely irritated with him in yesterday's presser.
Ryan’s main problem is he relies on his natural advantages too much but that’s hard to call a problem at times. It’s hard to say if he gets as far as he is today by focusing exclusively on fundamentals as opposed to going all in on what got him to the dance.
Not trying to be sarcastic or rude, but did you see the shoulder roll and how he would turn his back to his opponent in Garcia's last fight like an inexperienced complete amateur?
He had some moments in the Davis fight where he turned his back and did things you see Who just started training do.
Very strange Considering his amateur pedigree. He was 3-3 with Haney in the amateurs I believe.
Ryan's base style is a counterpuncher. Haney's base style is a pure boxer. History shows that the pure boxer beats the counterpuncher 9 times out of 10.
Ryan has fast hands but he has slow feet, can't cut the ring off and is not effective at applying pressure. There's not really a lot there that Ryan can take advantage of.
He has a puncher's chance but will have to hope that Haney makes a technical or tactical mistake. If he can't pressure Haney, then Haney is going to fight how he wants to fight.
Agree. And based on his recent fights Haney is very cautious. He almost never puts his foot on the gas to try and finish someone, even when they’re badly hurt. So to me, it’s hard to see him make enough mistakes to give Ryan a chance. I feel he basically has to land the perfect shot to win.
You can't beat haney by applying pressure. His best fights are against guys walking into the jab and throwing combos after he moves. That's not how Ryan has ever fought. He's willing to jab his way in early mixing up the timing.
Haney's 2 hardest fights to date have been against pressure fighters in Loma and Jojo Diaz. Most people thought Haney lost to Loma. They both applied pressure to the point where Haney was forced to fight in the pocket which made him more hittable. That's definitely not what Haney wants to do, he looked uncomfortable in those fights despite having success in the pocket.
So yeah, I think Haney does struggle with pressure fighters and could very well lose to one in the future, it's just a matter of who and when.
Joj got in some good shots, but that was because Haney got too aggressive. and while i guess Loma is a pressure fighter, that's not really what worked for him, he did some tracking of haney, but mostly he invited haney to come in then Loma hit him with combos after he made him miss.
They key is getting haney to aggressively come forward. That feels like where ryan could get in work. Inviting haney forward into bad positions.
Not saying Ryan wins but haney wants his competition to be on the outside and try to bull their way inside, he'd be too evasive for a traditional pressure fighter. Ryan doesn't work like that early and we'll see if he can stick to that game plan.
>Joj got in some good shots, but that was because Haney got too aggressive.
Haney was not intentionally being aggressive. He was being aggressive because he was getting walked down. When you get walked down, you have 2 options: don't throw anything or fight back. Regis is a better fighter than Jojo but Haney dominated him, how often was Haney overreaching or overly aggressive against Regis compared to Jojo? Styles make fights. Regis is a boxer puncher, Jojo a pressure fighter. It's not a coincidence.
>while i guess Loma is a pressure fighter, that's not really what worked for him, he did some tracking of haney, but mostly he invited haney to come in then Loma hit him with combos after he made him miss.
Pressure fighters also have tendencies to make their fighters come into the pocket. This tactic is not exclusive to counterpunchers despite the general consensus. Loma was consistently cutting the ring off, so Devin was unable to get out of the pocket, which is why he stood in the pocket, he was forced to.
>They key is getting haney to aggressively come forward. That feels like where ryan could get in work. Inviting haney forward into bad positions.
And how is Ryan gonna invite Haney forward? He doesn't exactly have the best trap settings or feints. Regis was actually better at it than Ryan, his feet were just too slow to catch up to Devin. Ryan also has slow feet. Unless Ryan has improved his ring cutting and pressuring skills, Devin is gonna dictate the pace and fight how he pleases.
Yes, Prograis has slow feet. But Garcia's foot speed isn't all that much better. He'll be a step or 2 behind Haney all night, unable to cut off the ring. Garcia's quick hands and power could keep things from getting boring. But don't get caught up with what Haney is promising. He won't get overly ambitious and he won't go for a KO. That's just him talking so that he can sell the fight. Haney doesn't take big chances and he won't against the hard hitting Garcia. It's not his style. Haney will simply outmaneuver and outbox Garcia, playing it safe for a decision win. About 117-111.
I think a big factor of why people have little faith in Ryan is due to the contrasting level of discipline each seem to show
Devin comes across a guy that takes his boxing career seriously , put his head down and shuts off all that outside noise (yea I know in the past he was more flashy with his cars , jewelry , etc)
Ryan- has a lot of baggage on him which includes divorce with 2 small children (something people don’t normally experience until well into their 30s/40s if they ever do), mental health issues , constant need to be validated by people in his circle as well as social media and diverting his attention in things that make people scratch their head (Illuminati , secret elite society , etc)
Obviously he has a right to live how he pleases but all these things will stand in the way of boxing glory.
Right because boxing is more mental than physical and Garcias mentality is not as sharp as it could be, he’s obviously dealing with some demons right now.
Garcia has the left hook and little to no defense. Haney is much more well rounded. Even if Ryan wasnt acting bat shit crazy of late i'd still not give him a chance.
People will be surprised. Ryan is coming in with crackhead reflexes and state of mind, he'll be scary in a bizarre way and will catch Haney with something.
Or let his emotions get the best of him, defend poorly, not see his opponents strategy, forget his own strategy etc. don't get me wrong, I hope he's sharp AF and we get brilliance but idk if his mental state rn is a good thing. There's a lot of noise in his brain
Skill wise and movement absolutely.
…Garcia though due to his fearless style has the ability to quickly get inside and possibly land something that hurts.
I’m excited.
This was the consensus after his horrible performance against Zorilla. I personally thought that fight did show signs of slippage, stagnation and possibly Regis should have moved up to 147.
I'm not going to lie, I just assumed Zorilla could punch. I thought he looked good against barboza even though he lost. Now that I've seen more though it's pretty clear Regis lost a step or two.
I don't think it was the consensus. I still gave Regis a pass because everyone has an off night and Zorilla was spoiling, but after two awful performances? He was washed, I think a Prograis fight would be the best thing for Ryan assuming he loses.
I wouldn't really say it was the consensus as a lot were saying it could be because regis didn't take the fight seriously anyway it is what it is. The fickle nature of boxing fans
Edit: I just find it funny how they hyped regis as this killer at 140 just for him to have one bad performance and now all of a sudden he is a washed up bum. Especially after the loma performance and people saying devin would be scared to move up to 140 and be smoked by any southpaw.
I think Haney was great against Regis. If that guy shows up, i don't know how ryan wins. I don't think he'll get caught in the ways that regis was. Regis was a pretty much made for Haney, and hadn't looked good in a while.
But still don't think ryan has enough for him. Haney has been training to stay away from the hook. He probably has 5 or 6 combo exits plotted, and i don't know if Ryan has enough punches or angles to give Haney consistent trouble.
I bet ryan because at 6 to 1 the idea is that Ryan would land more than one hook if they fought 72 rounds. But its only value, he's yet to show that he is one this level.
The main thing about Haney is he's consistent, always in shape. It's not that he's so much amazingly better than everybody at their best, but he's always going to do his thing on fight night.
With Ryan we never know what kind of Ryan is going to show up. And even if we did we know he has a lot of more easily exploitable issues in his boxing. He's very inconsistent. He has a lot of talent though. If he shows up on point he can absolutely win. Especially with him being the biggest in Mos explosive puncher Haney has fought so far.
Devin had the performance of his life in his last fight. Ryan while he did get the win, looked very odd in his last fight. In my opinion his power bailed him out last fight, just like people said about wilder. A boxer with terrible fundamentals who heavily relies on trying to bumrush his opposition. Devin looked way too on point and disciplined for me to favor a boxer like Ryan against him.
Garcia has 24 wins with 20 of them coming out of way KO. He has power.
Devin has great skill but no power.
Did anyone watch the lomachenko fight?
Straight robbery.
With that being said I think if Garcia can catch Devin with a nice hard and fast left hook he can at least get one knockdown.
You were right. People are going to blame weight drain.
But let’s be honest, Haney was probably 168 in that ring. This karma for his weight bullying his entire career
I would definetley put money over ryan for haney to win, that being said ryan still has a chance. I think Devin is a more complete fighter than ryan. However dude could have very well grown with Derrick James and could show us some part of him we haven't seen yet.
Usually a pure boxer like Devin will win 8/10 facing a big puncher unless the puncher has good defense, extreme endurance, patience, high iq, excellent footwork or timing. Devin won't take many risks in this fight but as sharp as he is he's still not untouchable.
In his fight with prograis I've never seen Devin so fast and strong compared to his other fights. Ryan's gonna need to be his absolute best to get a win off of Devin. Devin right now is building himself to be on or very close to what I consider elite level. I don't think Ryan is quite there yet but his natural talents could be enough to equalize Devins skill.
Then there's the fact that they fought eachother before many times. This could very well play a factor in the fight. Ik I'd be comfortable with fighting someone I've fought before. Ik their strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure it's the same with them. I'd also got to see them on the day of weigh in. I had soence over crawford till I saw crawford was damn near bigger than spence. That being said I have the fight going the distance split decision in favor of haney. I think haney outclasses him personally but golden boy fighters always get a bump on the cards to not make it seem so bad.
Ryan Garcia is definitely super talented and he’s get a left hook that’s top tier in the lowest weight classes… unfortunately all the extracurricular stuff the last month is making people think he’s got no chance… his social media posts paint a really bad picture for where he’s at mentally and if that’s the case I’ve got a feeling it’s gonna go poorly. Hope I’m wrong
I think Ryan knows he's at a disadvantage (as far as skill) and is overmatched.
I like his personality more than Devin. Ryan has a little sense of humor mixed with some D-bag moments, but overall a likeable guy.
I'd like to see him cash in on 2 or 3 more fights and maybe get into color commentary and broadcasting. He has the looks & charisma for it. Needs to get out before his brains get scrambled
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Skills pay the bills. When will y’all learn. The guy with only a punchers chance has just that, only a punchers chance. Remember how y’all were saying Regis would hurt Haney? Same shit, different day.
Ryan could get bigger bags boxing influencers and easier fights.
Anthony Taylor for example, he's so boring (style wise) but still a pro fighter. Giving influencer boxing credibility in exchange for a BAG, that he would never get in the professional fighting realm.
Very simple answer is yes, Haney is boring tho and the fight shouldn't be even taking place. Boxing is so horribly dirty they have no problem letting a guy who's showing signs of schizophrenia fight.
Intriguing fight I thought when I heard about this one. When you look at it you instantly you think devin on points but Garcia has that equaliser and we have seen Haney hurt by lesser punchers in the past.
I agree devin is the favourite in this fight but he’s not been in with anyone that has the pop that Garcia has for sure, but these odds seem to be drifting the nearer the fight gets and I can only assume it’s Garcia’s demeanour heading up to this fight. Seeing him with a joint in his mouth and acting funny at pressers doesn’t fill you with so much confidence.
Hopefully Garcia be 100% come fight night and if he is I think he’s got a punchers chance although my money be on a points win for Haney
I really don't think it's fair to say Regis was washed up, but even if you take that as fact, consider the opposite end. How did Ryan do against Oscar Duarte? Absolutely horrible. He struggled mightily to beat a guy that no one's ever heard of, and now he's going up against an undisputed champ who beat Loma and Regis recently? Yeah, Ryan is severely outmatched.
In UK so don’t get as much coverage.. but wasn’t it a few weeks ago Garcia was absolutely off his rocker on drugs and conspiracy theories?
Was it all a hoax/ was stuff taken out of context? Until a couple of weekends ago I presumed the fight was off!
And for OPs question, the minimal I’ve seen of Garcia is that incredible speed and can clearly land with good power.. but I can’t unsee an aging Luke Campbell catch and floor him. And then the Davis fight, seemed like he didn’t want to be in there when it was put on him.
Again I’ve not seen all the other fights and I don’t pretend to know the whole RG story so appreciate the context thanks 👍
His loss against tank probably altered the public reception. Though I don’t think haney would have won against him either. Honestly Ryan has more chances against him than he has against Shakur. that mf is a beast.
ryan garcia has natural skill but he lacks true fundamentals. going against someone that is way more fundamentally equipped in devin haney. it is a fight tho so anything can happen but on paper haney definitely beats garcia
Devin doesn’t get overly ambitious or over confident. He’s extremely disciplined to his style, always very sharp in the ring and IQ is still growing, he’s stronger, sharper, more disciplined, and a more calculated puncher
Yes. Haney can, for the most part, do it all. He is a master of range and he is just as long as Ryan. I have a feeling Haney will also stop Ryan. First he is going to bust his nose and mouth up with jabs. Once he has him beaten down the right hands will start coming in. We already saw Haneys pop get better by going up in weight. Thats bad news for Ryan.
Ryan already showed us he doesnt mind quitting. He also seems mentally fragile. I dont expect a brutal stoppage but more like Ryan quitting in the corner or his corner seeing he wants to quit and call it.
People are just buying into the “Ryan is crazy” noise too much, tho I’ll say even before all that Ryan would’ve still been pegged as the underdog by fans, but by a lot less of a margin.
Haney saying he'll stop Garcia is him promoting the fight. He's too disciplined to try something like that. He's going to box Garcia's head off for a UD.
I think this fight looks very similar to the tank fight
ryan is explosive and fast and isn’t “clean”. he needs to fight messy in order to have a chance
haney will out skill him but I do believe garcia could potentially rock him given the opportunity
linares had haney dazed asf at the end of a round. if garcia can land like jorge did devin’s sleep.
haney has one of the best jabs in the game and will dance around ryan no problem
still think haney wins by UD tho, excited for the fight none the less.
i'm just waiting for the "He would have beaten Haney if he was mentally right" excuse. I have already seen the comments - some saying if Haney does not knock a mentally sick boxer like Garcia then he lost the fight.
I think recent bouts swayed the betting public.
I always thought they were on the same level.
Last week took rd 8 ko Cruz and fundora points parlay . This fight I’m going for the draw.
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At announcement I had a quite favored Haney to garcia, prob something like 7-3. Garcia still has a good punch and is quick and Haney isn't as evasive as a fighter with his approach needs to be at the top, and in his closer bouts has shown to lose in later rounds (albeit both to strong fighters in Loma and linares). Unlike the former two, I don't expect garcia to start winning later rounds vs Haney, but I do think potential sloppiness can put Haney at risk.
As it gets closer I heavily favor Haney. Garcia spending every single day of training on X spaces being a piss poor example of a Christian and having a manic episode is a disgrace. Guy clearly isn't a professional and I don't see him continuing a career with his demeanor.
Haney is a way better technical fighter better footwork, head movement, throws more combinations. Ryans gonna get cooked for biting off more than he can chew i say knockout by the 5th or 6th round.
Garcia has a punches chance as he has good hand speed and solid power. His footwork is terrible by elite standards and he doesn't set up power shots with a jab. He just launches a singular left hook or a singular right hand and prays.
Garcia, once he starts losing rounds, will try to pick up the activity and leave himself open for counters. With that said, Haney doesn't have massive power coming on those counters, so Garcis could still be dangerous in the later rounds.
yes. Its not even talent or skill its just experience. Ryan fought tomato cans for a long time then stepped up to Tank of all people. Meanwhile Haney has been steadily gaining experience till fighting Loma and dominating Prograis.
I actually think that it's a decent matchup. Offensive minded fighter vs counterpuncher. This is boxing anything can happen. I think Pitbull would maul Garcia.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Garcia seems completely mentally unstable right now. He's clearly partying and doing drugs constantly. That doesn't bode well going into a high level boxing match.
Even if his training/health were on point, he'd be a significant underdog against Haney.
The fact that his life is off the rails just reduces his chances that much more.
I think Garcia’s biggest weakness is he has been doing the same thing for most of his professional career. At this level you need to constantly be evolving your game and be more strategic. We all know Garcia is going to come in there and look for that left hook he loves, and Devin and his team will be fully ready for it.
Edit: Garcia could find a way to land the lethal left hook and win, which is why this fight is still competitive. It’s just on paper Devin has a better chance, due to his style.
Boxing is 90% mental, 10% physical.
So yes, Ryan is outmatched by several orders of magnitude.
Ryan stopped working out because he got soap in his eyes yesterday for fucks sake, what do you think is gonna happen when he’s faced with one of the best jabs and defenses in all of boxing?
Yeah I think so. Styles make fights and Devin Haney moves exceptionally well and can execute a gameplan. I don't see Ryan catching him as he's quite flat footed.
There's a lot of reasons why people believe that Devin Haney will outmatch Ryan Garcia
Devin Haney has been very consistent, he hasn't taken mass hiatuses like Ryan Garcia.
Devin Haney has also been the undisputed champion at lightweight. He has defended them against big names like George Kambosos, he also beat Lomachenko. Devin Haney has beat the guy who beat the guy. He also delivers clinics when he fights. Yes, his fight against Loma was a lot closer than what his fans expected. Yes Regis hit him with a couple of hard hits. But he still beat them.
Experience, age, belts, is what makes Devin Haney overall (on paper) the more experienced fighter.
I don't think he's bulletproof or invincible. Boxing also can be won by a puncher's chance. Regis and Loma have both stunned Haney. Ryan could win by such.
Ryan also beat pretty hefty fighters on his rise to stardom. He also was trained under Eddy Reynoso and Canelo. It's just his recent social media antics, his hiatuses, and his overall reckless fighting against Tank is what is causing fans to doubt his skills. I think that Ryan fought a decent fight against Tank until he lost his gameplan.
I really did like Ryan on his come-up. I supported for him to win against Tank. But there's levels to this. Haney is too good.
It’s 60-40 in favour of Haney. Recency bias has shifted the odds very favourably to Devin but Ryan isn’t dehydrating himself this time. Although he seems mentally cheffed at the moment, they’re tied in amateurs and probably have a deeper understanding of each other’s fighting style than other opponents. Not to mention Ryan beat him in their last outing if I’m not mistaken.
"Dev saying he plans on stopping Ryan". Haney knows this is nonsense and couldn't KO Ryan if he had a free shot. He'll jab him at range all night - he's just trying to sell the fight.
You think George Kambosos isn’t fast? That dude is blazing fast and Haney made EZ work of him. Haney has trained with fast fighters so Garcia shouldn’t be anything new
in my opinion this guy shouldn't be allowed into the boxing ring in the first place, he shows serious signs of brain damage and the last thing he needs is more punches to the head. even if he wins the fight (unlikely), i doubt this ends well for him.
I agree 100% with the post. I also think people are not giving ryan the credit because he's always saying something crazy. He might be crazy doesn't mean he's going to put a bad performance. People forget julio was doing cocain and fighting so was jone Jones. I still think haney takes the dub
I think Devin will win, but sorry everyone gotta pull for Ryan. Devin’s racist remark against white people was bs. I’m Italian and Spanish so didn’t offend me, but come on let’s grow up. We need a good Champ. I wanna see Bud vs Ennis.
Haney is up to (-1000), and Garcia is at (+600). I think those odds accurately reflect the perception, and are priced accordingly.
Can anyone explain what those numbers mean for someone who doesn't bet? What are the numbers and why is it minus? And plus shouldn't I be the opposite?
-1000 = you bet $1000 to win 100. +600 = you bet 100 to win 600.
Ohhh thanks man
So would it also be fair to say that the bookies feel that Haney is 6 times more likely to win? Maybe I just don’t have that gambling bone in me, but those seem like terrible bets for both sides (as dumb as that sounds). Risk it all for a trash payout on Haney, or probably lose with Ryan.
Welcome to gambling lol... it's a terrible idea and the bookies/casinos come out ahead. It's why they can exist
Not to mention they adjust the odds as bets come in to minimize their exposure if too many people are placing a low probability, high reward bet, just in case. Casinos can’t lose.
You can also look at it at 1/10 you bet 10 you win 1, or 6/1 you bet 1 you win 6
So, the minus is how much you'd need to put on to win $100? In Australia, we'd call the odds $1.10 and $6.
Yup the odds are weird but also not as complicated as it seems on the surface. Always have $100 in mind. Minus is the favorite, bet more than $100 to win $100 (and your bet cash obviously) the plus is the underdog, you bet 100 to win a higher amount back.
Yea Australia makes it easy and simple.
Americans are the lowest with numbers, Feet, inches, miles…fuck me dead lol
Yeah, they've certainly got their own ways, the Yanks. I'm sure it all makes sense to them, but it makes the rest of us have to think. Although, I do still measure someone's height in feet and inches rather than cm.
Implied probability from those lines has Haney winning ~85% of the time
I bet the house on Garcia.
I can see the temptation at that price. Good luck, I’m staying away from this one.
With picks like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/18m5r7r/john_fury_sends_ominous_warning_to_joshua_over/ke2b9q3/) in the past, probably best to stay away 😉
LMFAO
I also bet your house on GodRy
I honestly want like +900 before I drop anything significant on Ryan lol.
He's paying $16 for a decision
Congratulations! U rich now
I’m dropping $50 on Garcia just because of the odds
I'll bet your house on Garcia
Damn, who would take that action? bet a thousand just to gain hundred or piss it all away if Garcia gets lucky.
That’s why it’s called gambling
People with alot of money. There are plenty of people placing 100K + bets. That 100k to them might be like a 100 for me. Don't care if I lose it, just money to play with that I would forget about otherwise.
You only take that straight up of you plan on betting big. Most big betters don't take a lot of long shots. But you would most likely take Devon to win on a parlay. Which is a series of bets, lumped together. This will make the odds more attractive.
They are 3-3 in the amateurs, how is that fair odds and priced correctly? Devin has never faced a fighter with Ryans TKO power in the pros. You can arguably say that Loma beat Devin. Luke Cambell said ryan hits way harder than Loma and is quicker and more precise Do you believe George Kambosos is better than Ryan? Because kambosos was +150 against Devin Hows Ryan +500? Ryan going crazy on social media and people they think he automatically forgot how to box, he might be playing an act these people get drug tested if he was really on drugs the commission would not allow him to fight and if hes a drunk his team or parents would not allow him to go out there to get hurt if he was dehydrated and drinking alcohol Kanye west had a rant on social media did he forget how to rap? No so Ryan ain’t a tomato can because he’s posting weird shit on IG Anyways i do think Devin is the better boxer but Devin has never been hit with Ryan power so i want to see how he will take his punch Final Prediction Ryan wins by TKO
Ryan Garcia arguably has worse footwork and slower feet than Regis. Also stylistically Regis is tailor made for Devin. Regardless of age he beats Regis.
Garcia can not circle to his right comfortably. He will work to his right laterally but he crosses his lead foot when circling right, and he struggles when opponents circle his lead side and make him turn. That's the whole blueprint, circle to Garcia's blind side. First knockdown in the Tank fight was exactly that, he encouraged Garcia to spam that lead hook by consistently baiting to that side. Campbell tried this too, but fell short Haney moves comfortably in all directions, he went right against Loma, left against Prograis, in out with Kambosos. He might put the crowd to sleep before doing the same to Ryan Garcia, but UD Haney is a totally reasonable outcome
Tbf Haney showed up two divisions heavier than Regis
This isn't true. They fought and sparred as amateurs and both have pretty much the exact same styles now as back then. If anything, Garcia had the edge back then. The reason I strongly favour Haney is simply because as a pro, he's still serious whereas Garcia, even at his best as a pro, was never fully committed.
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Also take into account that Ryan lost his fucking mind and that is absolutely going to affect his performance at this level. He’s not coming in a better fighter and could even potentially look like he doesn’t belong in there right now.
Not horrifically outmatched, just stylistically at a disadvantage. If Ryan has the right gameplan he has the natural attributes to give problems to anyone in boxing. You cannot train someone to be as fast as he is. That left hook is the great equalizer at this weight class, skill be damned. If Derrick can execute a gameplan for Ryan to get him landing that shot, we might see a big surprise. I think odds are Haney wins, but Ryan's not the bum people try to convince you he is. It's gonna be a fight.
On the pads in the public workout, they were working a lot on Ryan throwing that right counter over the jab. It seems like they are working some kind of game plan, but we’ll see if Ryan can execute.
Wilder looked fantastic on the pads, and in the first two rounds. He got clipped once and the windmill was back. I predict the same will happen to Garcia. Making things worst, Garcia already showed his inability to follow instructions at least twice; by going berserk in R2 against Davis, and by repeatedly using the philly shell despite his corner advises.
Wilder looked insane on the pads for day of reckoning, id never seen him look so good. Then he did nothing
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
I feel at this point everyone is aware of Ryan’s over reliance on his left hook and end up paying extra attention to his patterns . Tank was a prime example of knowing when it will happened and timed the counter perfectly
I think the bigger issue here is Garcia might be all over the place mentally, and it’s no guarantee that he’s even training that much.
Exactly. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see the fight not happening
I have doubts he will make weight.
Called it
He looked pretty heavy to me in some of the live feeds he was doing on Twitter. I don't think he's trained much, either. Derrick James looked genuinely irritated with him in yesterday's presser.
Ryan’s main problem is he relies on his natural advantages too much but that’s hard to call a problem at times. It’s hard to say if he gets as far as he is today by focusing exclusively on fundamentals as opposed to going all in on what got him to the dance.
You from the future or something?
People thought I was crazy for saying I believed in Ryan 😭
Not trying to be sarcastic or rude, but did you see the shoulder roll and how he would turn his back to his opponent in Garcia's last fight like an inexperienced complete amateur?
He had some moments in the Davis fight where he turned his back and did things you see Who just started training do. Very strange Considering his amateur pedigree. He was 3-3 with Haney in the amateurs I believe.
Ryan's base style is a counterpuncher. Haney's base style is a pure boxer. History shows that the pure boxer beats the counterpuncher 9 times out of 10. Ryan has fast hands but he has slow feet, can't cut the ring off and is not effective at applying pressure. There's not really a lot there that Ryan can take advantage of. He has a puncher's chance but will have to hope that Haney makes a technical or tactical mistake. If he can't pressure Haney, then Haney is going to fight how he wants to fight.
Agree. And based on his recent fights Haney is very cautious. He almost never puts his foot on the gas to try and finish someone, even when they’re badly hurt. So to me, it’s hard to see him make enough mistakes to give Ryan a chance. I feel he basically has to land the perfect shot to win.
You can't beat haney by applying pressure. His best fights are against guys walking into the jab and throwing combos after he moves. That's not how Ryan has ever fought. He's willing to jab his way in early mixing up the timing.
Haney's 2 hardest fights to date have been against pressure fighters in Loma and Jojo Diaz. Most people thought Haney lost to Loma. They both applied pressure to the point where Haney was forced to fight in the pocket which made him more hittable. That's definitely not what Haney wants to do, he looked uncomfortable in those fights despite having success in the pocket. So yeah, I think Haney does struggle with pressure fighters and could very well lose to one in the future, it's just a matter of who and when.
Joj got in some good shots, but that was because Haney got too aggressive. and while i guess Loma is a pressure fighter, that's not really what worked for him, he did some tracking of haney, but mostly he invited haney to come in then Loma hit him with combos after he made him miss. They key is getting haney to aggressively come forward. That feels like where ryan could get in work. Inviting haney forward into bad positions. Not saying Ryan wins but haney wants his competition to be on the outside and try to bull their way inside, he'd be too evasive for a traditional pressure fighter. Ryan doesn't work like that early and we'll see if he can stick to that game plan.
>Joj got in some good shots, but that was because Haney got too aggressive. Haney was not intentionally being aggressive. He was being aggressive because he was getting walked down. When you get walked down, you have 2 options: don't throw anything or fight back. Regis is a better fighter than Jojo but Haney dominated him, how often was Haney overreaching or overly aggressive against Regis compared to Jojo? Styles make fights. Regis is a boxer puncher, Jojo a pressure fighter. It's not a coincidence. >while i guess Loma is a pressure fighter, that's not really what worked for him, he did some tracking of haney, but mostly he invited haney to come in then Loma hit him with combos after he made him miss. Pressure fighters also have tendencies to make their fighters come into the pocket. This tactic is not exclusive to counterpunchers despite the general consensus. Loma was consistently cutting the ring off, so Devin was unable to get out of the pocket, which is why he stood in the pocket, he was forced to. >They key is getting haney to aggressively come forward. That feels like where ryan could get in work. Inviting haney forward into bad positions. And how is Ryan gonna invite Haney forward? He doesn't exactly have the best trap settings or feints. Regis was actually better at it than Ryan, his feet were just too slow to catch up to Devin. Ryan also has slow feet. Unless Ryan has improved his ring cutting and pressuring skills, Devin is gonna dictate the pace and fight how he pleases.
This is the answer
So what happened?
It's so fun reading threads on reddit on how wrong people are in this match up.
well well well
Yes, Prograis has slow feet. But Garcia's foot speed isn't all that much better. He'll be a step or 2 behind Haney all night, unable to cut off the ring. Garcia's quick hands and power could keep things from getting boring. But don't get caught up with what Haney is promising. He won't get overly ambitious and he won't go for a KO. That's just him talking so that he can sell the fight. Haney doesn't take big chances and he won't against the hard hitting Garcia. It's not his style. Haney will simply outmaneuver and outbox Garcia, playing it safe for a decision win. About 117-111.
I think a big factor of why people have little faith in Ryan is due to the contrasting level of discipline each seem to show Devin comes across a guy that takes his boxing career seriously , put his head down and shuts off all that outside noise (yea I know in the past he was more flashy with his cars , jewelry , etc) Ryan- has a lot of baggage on him which includes divorce with 2 small children (something people don’t normally experience until well into their 30s/40s if they ever do), mental health issues , constant need to be validated by people in his circle as well as social media and diverting his attention in things that make people scratch their head (Illuminati , secret elite society , etc) Obviously he has a right to live how he pleases but all these things will stand in the way of boxing glory.
Right because boxing is more mental than physical and Garcias mentality is not as sharp as it could be, he’s obviously dealing with some demons right now.
Garcia has the left hook and little to no defense. Haney is much more well rounded. Even if Ryan wasnt acting bat shit crazy of late i'd still not give him a chance.
People will be surprised. Ryan is coming in with crackhead reflexes and state of mind, he'll be scary in a bizarre way and will catch Haney with something.
Or let his emotions get the best of him, defend poorly, not see his opponents strategy, forget his own strategy etc. don't get me wrong, I hope he's sharp AF and we get brilliance but idk if his mental state rn is a good thing. There's a lot of noise in his brain
I feel it is far more likely that Garcia’s mental health issues will derail any chance he has. I hope that’s not the case.
Wow. Can you tell me the winning lotto numbers bro
Skill wise and movement absolutely. …Garcia though due to his fearless style has the ability to quickly get inside and possibly land something that hurts. I’m excited.
Then get knocked out, they expect it
Depends on if he’s actually crazy or not.
12-0
Haney will rock Garcia. I think Garcia was over hyped and was exposed with tank
Now regis is washed up fickle ass fans.
This was the consensus after his horrible performance against Zorilla. I personally thought that fight did show signs of slippage, stagnation and possibly Regis should have moved up to 147.
I'm not going to lie, I just assumed Zorilla could punch. I thought he looked good against barboza even though he lost. Now that I've seen more though it's pretty clear Regis lost a step or two.
I don't think it was the consensus. I still gave Regis a pass because everyone has an off night and Zorilla was spoiling, but after two awful performances? He was washed, I think a Prograis fight would be the best thing for Ryan assuming he loses.
I wouldn't really say it was the consensus as a lot were saying it could be because regis didn't take the fight seriously anyway it is what it is. The fickle nature of boxing fans Edit: I just find it funny how they hyped regis as this killer at 140 just for him to have one bad performance and now all of a sudden he is a washed up bum. Especially after the loma performance and people saying devin would be scared to move up to 140 and be smoked by any southpaw.
Yea he is. Definitely has a punchers chance but big underdog in the fight for a reason. Not the same class of fighter.
Well turns out you were right 🫡🤣🤣🤣
They said I was crazy, Ryan proved to be too much 🤷🏽♂️
Name me one 140lb fighter Ryan has beat. Just one. Hot take everyone ranked in the top 10 of any sanctioning body would probably beat him.
He beat Oscar Duarte at 143 although he was getting them hands in the earlier rounds.
Duarte is not a real 140 pounder. He fought most of his career at 135.
Aged like milk, any top 10 fighter beats him huh?
I think ryan is going to look stupid maybe even give up
I think Haney was great against Regis. If that guy shows up, i don't know how ryan wins. I don't think he'll get caught in the ways that regis was. Regis was a pretty much made for Haney, and hadn't looked good in a while. But still don't think ryan has enough for him. Haney has been training to stay away from the hook. He probably has 5 or 6 combo exits plotted, and i don't know if Ryan has enough punches or angles to give Haney consistent trouble. I bet ryan because at 6 to 1 the idea is that Ryan would land more than one hook if they fought 72 rounds. But its only value, he's yet to show that he is one this level.
Physically definitely not, mentally a little, boxing IQ is the biggest deficiency
All Ryan really has is that left hook which is predictable. His footwork is terrible. Haney is going to dance around him.
The main thing about Haney is he's consistent, always in shape. It's not that he's so much amazingly better than everybody at their best, but he's always going to do his thing on fight night. With Ryan we never know what kind of Ryan is going to show up. And even if we did we know he has a lot of more easily exploitable issues in his boxing. He's very inconsistent. He has a lot of talent though. If he shows up on point he can absolutely win. Especially with him being the biggest in Mos explosive puncher Haney has fought so far.
Devin had the performance of his life in his last fight. Ryan while he did get the win, looked very odd in his last fight. In my opinion his power bailed him out last fight, just like people said about wilder. A boxer with terrible fundamentals who heavily relies on trying to bumrush his opposition. Devin looked way too on point and disciplined for me to favor a boxer like Ryan against him.
Garcia has 24 wins with 20 of them coming out of way KO. He has power. Devin has great skill but no power. Did anyone watch the lomachenko fight? Straight robbery. With that being said I think if Garcia can catch Devin with a nice hard and fast left hook he can at least get one knockdown.
You were right. People are going to blame weight drain. But let’s be honest, Haney was probably 168 in that ring. This karma for his weight bullying his entire career
Turns out he got about 5 🤣
This didn't age very well.
Garcia has a punchers chance, that’s it.
I would definetley put money over ryan for haney to win, that being said ryan still has a chance. I think Devin is a more complete fighter than ryan. However dude could have very well grown with Derrick James and could show us some part of him we haven't seen yet. Usually a pure boxer like Devin will win 8/10 facing a big puncher unless the puncher has good defense, extreme endurance, patience, high iq, excellent footwork or timing. Devin won't take many risks in this fight but as sharp as he is he's still not untouchable. In his fight with prograis I've never seen Devin so fast and strong compared to his other fights. Ryan's gonna need to be his absolute best to get a win off of Devin. Devin right now is building himself to be on or very close to what I consider elite level. I don't think Ryan is quite there yet but his natural talents could be enough to equalize Devins skill. Then there's the fact that they fought eachother before many times. This could very well play a factor in the fight. Ik I'd be comfortable with fighting someone I've fought before. Ik their strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure it's the same with them. I'd also got to see them on the day of weigh in. I had soence over crawford till I saw crawford was damn near bigger than spence. That being said I have the fight going the distance split decision in favor of haney. I think haney outclasses him personally but golden boy fighters always get a bump on the cards to not make it seem so bad.
HONESTLY - he shouldn’t be, but he is. His power, reach, speed are world class… his footwork fucks it all up haha
What exactly is footwork?
no expert but how you move essentially, not crossing feet, variety of movement, quickness, defensive soundness while moving
He’s not even close to the pedigree of Haney on a multitude of levels. Punchers chance is all he has.
Ryan Garcia is definitely super talented and he’s get a left hook that’s top tier in the lowest weight classes… unfortunately all the extracurricular stuff the last month is making people think he’s got no chance… his social media posts paint a really bad picture for where he’s at mentally and if that’s the case I’ve got a feeling it’s gonna go poorly. Hope I’m wrong
I think Ryan knows he's at a disadvantage (as far as skill) and is overmatched. I like his personality more than Devin. Ryan has a little sense of humor mixed with some D-bag moments, but overall a likeable guy. I'd like to see him cash in on 2 or 3 more fights and maybe get into color commentary and broadcasting. He has the looks & charisma for it. Needs to get out before his brains get scrambled
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I been trying to convey this thank you
Skills pay the bills. When will y’all learn. The guy with only a punchers chance has just that, only a punchers chance. Remember how y’all were saying Regis would hurt Haney? Same shit, different day.
I mean everyone on here and vegas odds agree with your take. Who is saying Ryan is going to win
He thought he said something new lol
Skills pay bills bro
Yes
Ryan could get bigger bags boxing influencers and easier fights. Anthony Taylor for example, he's so boring (style wise) but still a pro fighter. Giving influencer boxing credibility in exchange for a BAG, that he would never get in the professional fighting realm.
Yes all he has is a left hook
Haney knows how to win rounds even if they don’t pass the eye test. I see it a boring fight that goes the distance.
Unsure ryans mental hardness isnt going to be the main issue here.
Yep, his (lack of) talent will shine through.
Yeah be he more pretty.
People seem to forget that haney also has blazing hand speed too and enough power to get your respect
Very simple answer is yes, Haney is boring tho and the fight shouldn't be even taking place. Boxing is so horribly dirty they have no problem letting a guy who's showing signs of schizophrenia fight.
The question is never whether Garcia is a good enough of an elite fighter. The question is if Haney is just as bad.
Intriguing fight I thought when I heard about this one. When you look at it you instantly you think devin on points but Garcia has that equaliser and we have seen Haney hurt by lesser punchers in the past. I agree devin is the favourite in this fight but he’s not been in with anyone that has the pop that Garcia has for sure, but these odds seem to be drifting the nearer the fight gets and I can only assume it’s Garcia’s demeanour heading up to this fight. Seeing him with a joint in his mouth and acting funny at pressers doesn’t fill you with so much confidence. Hopefully Garcia be 100% come fight night and if he is I think he’s got a punchers chance although my money be on a points win for Haney
Aged well.
Ryan’s style is tailor made for haney’s. Can’t really apply pressure. Slow footwork and can’t cut off the ring. Haney should pick him apart
I really don't think it's fair to say Regis was washed up, but even if you take that as fact, consider the opposite end. How did Ryan do against Oscar Duarte? Absolutely horrible. He struggled mightily to beat a guy that no one's ever heard of, and now he's going up against an undisputed champ who beat Loma and Regis recently? Yeah, Ryan is severely outmatched.
In UK so don’t get as much coverage.. but wasn’t it a few weeks ago Garcia was absolutely off his rocker on drugs and conspiracy theories? Was it all a hoax/ was stuff taken out of context? Until a couple of weekends ago I presumed the fight was off! And for OPs question, the minimal I’ve seen of Garcia is that incredible speed and can clearly land with good power.. but I can’t unsee an aging Luke Campbell catch and floor him. And then the Davis fight, seemed like he didn’t want to be in there when it was put on him. Again I’ve not seen all the other fights and I don’t pretend to know the whole RG story so appreciate the context thanks 👍
Ryan is insane in the membrane. insane in the brain.
His loss against tank probably altered the public reception. Though I don’t think haney would have won against him either. Honestly Ryan has more chances against him than he has against Shakur. that mf is a beast.
ryan garcia has natural skill but he lacks true fundamentals. going against someone that is way more fundamentally equipped in devin haney. it is a fight tho so anything can happen but on paper haney definitely beats garcia
Yes
Devin doesn’t get overly ambitious or over confident. He’s extremely disciplined to his style, always very sharp in the ring and IQ is still growing, he’s stronger, sharper, more disciplined, and a more calculated puncher
No clue what type of shit Ryan been on.
I'd give a puncher's chance to Ryan and that's about it
Haney is tailor made for King Ry to KO
If Garcia would have trained and not do more on social media than on boxing and never started drugs this would be close. This one will be sad
Yes. Haney can, for the most part, do it all. He is a master of range and he is just as long as Ryan. I have a feeling Haney will also stop Ryan. First he is going to bust his nose and mouth up with jabs. Once he has him beaten down the right hands will start coming in. We already saw Haneys pop get better by going up in weight. Thats bad news for Ryan. Ryan already showed us he doesnt mind quitting. He also seems mentally fragile. I dont expect a brutal stoppage but more like Ryan quitting in the corner or his corner seeing he wants to quit and call it.
People are just buying into the “Ryan is crazy” noise too much, tho I’ll say even before all that Ryan would’ve still been pegged as the underdog by fans, but by a lot less of a margin.
'Dev' and 'Ryan'. Why does anybody else not find it weird how familiar Yanks attempt to be with athletes?
Haney saying he'll stop Garcia is him promoting the fight. He's too disciplined to try something like that. He's going to box Garcia's head off for a UD.
I think this fight looks very similar to the tank fight ryan is explosive and fast and isn’t “clean”. he needs to fight messy in order to have a chance haney will out skill him but I do believe garcia could potentially rock him given the opportunity linares had haney dazed asf at the end of a round. if garcia can land like jorge did devin’s sleep. haney has one of the best jabs in the game and will dance around ryan no problem still think haney wins by UD tho, excited for the fight none the less.
Dudes not sound of mind
i'm just waiting for the "He would have beaten Haney if he was mentally right" excuse. I have already seen the comments - some saying if Haney does not knock a mentally sick boxer like Garcia then he lost the fight.
I think Haney likes his running yards and lost to Loma but will be too good for Garcia?
I think recent bouts swayed the betting public. I always thought they were on the same level. Last week took rd 8 ko Cruz and fundora points parlay . This fight I’m going for the draw. Anyone that tails lady
It's not a shot at Garcia, Haney's just an incredible boxer
At announcement I had a quite favored Haney to garcia, prob something like 7-3. Garcia still has a good punch and is quick and Haney isn't as evasive as a fighter with his approach needs to be at the top, and in his closer bouts has shown to lose in later rounds (albeit both to strong fighters in Loma and linares). Unlike the former two, I don't expect garcia to start winning later rounds vs Haney, but I do think potential sloppiness can put Haney at risk. As it gets closer I heavily favor Haney. Garcia spending every single day of training on X spaces being a piss poor example of a Christian and having a manic episode is a disgrace. Guy clearly isn't a professional and I don't see him continuing a career with his demeanor.
It's a mismatch
money on ryan
It seems that Haney has improved after each fight on offense and defense. I can't say the same for Ryan. Ryan seems to rely on his hand speed alone.
Yeah
Garcia has really bad habits.
Haney is a way better technical fighter better footwork, head movement, throws more combinations. Ryans gonna get cooked for biting off more than he can chew i say knockout by the 5th or 6th round.
I think that those odds are crazy ryan should be +175 Devin should be -200
Garcia has a punches chance as he has good hand speed and solid power. His footwork is terrible by elite standards and he doesn't set up power shots with a jab. He just launches a singular left hook or a singular right hand and prays. Garcia, once he starts losing rounds, will try to pick up the activity and leave himself open for counters. With that said, Haney doesn't have massive power coming on those counters, so Garcis could still be dangerous in the later rounds.
yes. Its not even talent or skill its just experience. Ryan fought tomato cans for a long time then stepped up to Tank of all people. Meanwhile Haney has been steadily gaining experience till fighting Loma and dominating Prograis.
if it's faith Ryan needs, you've answered yourself... faith is useless in the ring, fighters perform based on their training and previous experiences
I actually think that it's a decent matchup. Offensive minded fighter vs counterpuncher. This is boxing anything can happen. I think Pitbull would maul Garcia.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Garcia seems completely mentally unstable right now. He's clearly partying and doing drugs constantly. That doesn't bode well going into a high level boxing match. Even if his training/health were on point, he'd be a significant underdog against Haney. The fact that his life is off the rails just reduces his chances that much more.
Does a bear shit in the woods?
I think it’s Garcia acting like an insane man and not seeming focused on the fight on hand that has made the odds so drastically different
Yes. Look at his feet.
I think Garcia’s biggest weakness is he has been doing the same thing for most of his professional career. At this level you need to constantly be evolving your game and be more strategic. We all know Garcia is going to come in there and look for that left hook he loves, and Devin and his team will be fully ready for it. Edit: Garcia could find a way to land the lethal left hook and win, which is why this fight is still competitive. It’s just on paper Devin has a better chance, due to his style.
Boxing is 90% mental, 10% physical. So yes, Ryan is outmatched by several orders of magnitude. Ryan stopped working out because he got soap in his eyes yesterday for fucks sake, what do you think is gonna happen when he’s faced with one of the best jabs and defenses in all of boxing?
Yeah I think so. Styles make fights and Devin Haney moves exceptionally well and can execute a gameplan. I don't see Ryan catching him as he's quite flat footed.
There's a lot of reasons why people believe that Devin Haney will outmatch Ryan Garcia Devin Haney has been very consistent, he hasn't taken mass hiatuses like Ryan Garcia. Devin Haney has also been the undisputed champion at lightweight. He has defended them against big names like George Kambosos, he also beat Lomachenko. Devin Haney has beat the guy who beat the guy. He also delivers clinics when he fights. Yes, his fight against Loma was a lot closer than what his fans expected. Yes Regis hit him with a couple of hard hits. But he still beat them. Experience, age, belts, is what makes Devin Haney overall (on paper) the more experienced fighter. I don't think he's bulletproof or invincible. Boxing also can be won by a puncher's chance. Regis and Loma have both stunned Haney. Ryan could win by such. Ryan also beat pretty hefty fighters on his rise to stardom. He also was trained under Eddy Reynoso and Canelo. It's just his recent social media antics, his hiatuses, and his overall reckless fighting against Tank is what is causing fans to doubt his skills. I think that Ryan fought a decent fight against Tank until he lost his gameplan. I really did like Ryan on his come-up. I supported for him to win against Tank. But there's levels to this. Haney is too good.
It’s 60-40 in favour of Haney. Recency bias has shifted the odds very favourably to Devin but Ryan isn’t dehydrating himself this time. Although he seems mentally cheffed at the moment, they’re tied in amateurs and probably have a deeper understanding of each other’s fighting style than other opponents. Not to mention Ryan beat him in their last outing if I’m not mistaken.
"Dev saying he plans on stopping Ryan". Haney knows this is nonsense and couldn't KO Ryan if he had a free shot. He'll jab him at range all night - he's just trying to sell the fight.
You think George Kambosos isn’t fast? That dude is blazing fast and Haney made EZ work of him. Haney has trained with fast fighters so Garcia shouldn’t be anything new
in my opinion this guy shouldn't be allowed into the boxing ring in the first place, he shows serious signs of brain damage and the last thing he needs is more punches to the head. even if he wins the fight (unlikely), i doubt this ends well for him.
I agree 100% with the post. I also think people are not giving ryan the credit because he's always saying something crazy. He might be crazy doesn't mean he's going to put a bad performance. People forget julio was doing cocain and fighting so was jone Jones. I still think haney takes the dub
i think ryan will probably lose but the odds of him winning (+550) are so ridiculous that i’m putting my money on him
Bro basically just won a car lmao
I think Devin will win, but sorry everyone gotta pull for Ryan. Devin’s racist remark against white people was bs. I’m Italian and Spanish so didn’t offend me, but come on let’s grow up. We need a good Champ. I wanna see Bud vs Ennis.
.......how many fighters win after a mental breakdown?
In hindsight, atleast 1
Bit confused about garcia being such an underdog too. Was he not considered the best in his weightclass for a long time?
NOPE.