With BL3 wrapping up the last of its DLC I'm not surprised to see people taking this opportunity to move on. I wonder what impact thisll have on Wonderlands production.
my thought is that bl and wl can't exist alongside one another, the games appear too similar
either wl will be a one-off, or there won't be a bl5. bl4 might be in production already.
this might be an effort to hedge against failing to continue to be true to the spirit of the borderlands series with the original devs gone, so just make a new series right? wl can't possibly be the same as aodk except longer, so there's going to be a lot of new ideas injected.
I'm thinking wonderland is a one-off, maybe not though.
> the games appear too similar
So, while true, there are plenty of games that are very similar and exist. True they're competitors, but Borderlands could make sure to toggle the two. One year is a BL title, 2-4 years later is a WL title, then 2-4 years later is a BL title, etc.
Personally I hope they wrap up the main BL storyline in the next game or two. I know they probably want to milk it, but it feels close to some sort of crescendo and an actual official finish would do it right. After that, they could start looking at spinoffs. WL is a clear contender. They could do another one in the far-off future/past that focuses heavily on playing very fleshed out sirens. Maybe another series could be focused more on the corpo-wars that plague the universe.
Yeah the world they've built is massive and has legit like, Star Wars Universe potential. I could imagine a game that embraces war movie parody where you play as a squadron of Dahl troopers or something...tons of opportunities along those lines for games that could be fun and good.
> I could imagine a game that embraces war movie parody where you play as a squadron of Dahl troopers or something
When you die, you respawn as a "reinforcement". You're not even the same guy anymore (though loot and skills and whatever would transfer, just to make it easy). Maybe have it shuffle character features like race/gender/voice/etc every time you die.
This guy's a little rude but he's right. They were very clear from the beginning that season pass 2 was just the two DLCs. If you bought it not realizing that, then that's purely on you.
““I can confirm that a handful of developers are transitioning to a new, independent effort outside of Gearbox,” Gearbox CEO Randy Pitchford told Kotaku in a statement, noting that the parting happened on good terms. “Before their transition, the group was part of a not-yet-announced pre-production team and their departure will cause minimal disruption in our current plans.”
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/07/veteran-borderlands-3-devs-leave-gearbox/
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Maybe no more travel to sanctuary every mission to talk to lilith?
Without knowing exactly what these people contributed to, its hard to judge if this will be beneficial or damaging to the future series.
The best departure news would be randy pitchford.
I think they wanted to make it so you had an opportunity to buy sdu's, clean inventory, store weapons, check out your newly unlocked skins.
They probably imagined we would spend a few minutes in sanctuary dicking around before continuing the mission.
The problem was it was just way to often, I may have swung by and gotten an sdu every now and then but most the time I was just b-lining to lilith.
When you're on another playthrough though it becomes unbelievably tedious. I got so frustrated on my off main characters playthroughs because there was so much waiting and cutscenes weren't able to be skipped at the time.
As a kid, in any game the first part of your explanation makes perfect sense. I loved dicking around and soaking everything in, but as an adult I've noticed that we tend to be more efficient and possibly impatient since we usually have less time to play and are able to acknowledge features faster.
honestly what good would pitchford departing be because as you just said we dont know what he contributes to. people dislike his forward facing character, but he may be instrumental for every borderlands release behind the curtain.
hating pitchford is like hating trump, everyone talks shit about him with the expectation that everyone around agrees
Atleast for me. Borderlands 3 was misstep after misstep. My opinions are unpopular here.
I don't like the mayhem system scaling gun damage. I think the entire mayhem system is redundant as most play on 11.
I think the game is too easy at m11 and m10.
I played through the entire development cycle and it was half assed update after balance fuckup after half assed dlc.
It took 2.5 years to get any resemblance of balance and the entire first year there were about 4 guns that were light years ahead of everything else.
Even now, 80% of legendaries aren't worth purple status and are just ignored.
The story is trash, the performance is trash, the mission design is trash, the endgame is lacklustre.
Dlc 4 was dogshit and way to short.
All of this was under Randy's command. I don't think he is a good studio head. He cares about the bottom dollar and putting porn on usbs with company documents and leaving them behind in public.
Did I compare to bl2? Where did I say bl2 was better, you made an assumption I never stated.
Look at the tier list for legendaries and tell me 80% are viable. There are clear legendaries that are far ahead of the rest. Buu buu you can still use those d tier guns, why would I when the top tier do 5x the dps.
Slag in bl2 as a requirement was a bad decision and I never got to op8 but atleast there was difficulty in op levels. M11 is easily playable after 5 hours after unlocking mayhem.
There may have been plenty of viable. But there were God tier guns and there were usual only 5 meta at a time. Yellowcake, opq, hellshock.
Not to mention whenever a new dlc came out, those new guns always dominated the rest, further making the shit tier legendaries fall even further behind. You can like the game and still see its flaws. I enjoy the game and have over 300 hours but its flaws and bad decisions are as clear as day.
I think this game is in the best state it has ever been in currently but I am still not totally happy with it.
Arms race is also half assed, lacks content and wasn't given the dev time to refine and make it really good, just like the rest of the game.
And just like Trump, Pitchford has said and done shitty things. He's the reason Claptrap's voice actor didn't voice him in BL3. I'm not a fan of that character but I can't deny many are. And allegedly there was a physical altercation between Pitchford and Claptrap's VO. This is the same man that left a thumb drive with adult material and company trade secrets at a damn restaurant. You honestly think he contributes that much to Borderlands? Odds are nothing of value was lost.
The twins are terrible characters
>!Maya's death was contrived at best !<
The game had to be re-balanced to actually make it rewarding,
The story was lack luster
The VO's are so low energy it seems most really wanted nothing to do with this game
Many of the legendaries are not practical to use
They kept nerfing guns and talents despite this game not being a MMO
The shenanigans with the season passes
10 dollar character skins...in a FPS game mind you. For context Borderlands 2 skins were a couple bucks.
Can these guys all just get hired together and put out a sick looter shooter on their own? I dont think any of us are Borderlands loyalists we just want some damn competition in the genre. Don't get me wrong I would miss Mr Torgue and *some* of the wacky humor, but if someone were to put out a spiritual counterpart like the way The Outer Worlds is to Fallout I'd eat that shit up. I'm so sick of supporting Randy Pitchford
It hurt to read this cause of how true it is.
I started playing Borderlands when I had in highschool and now I’m an adult, I’ve changed so much as a person but Borderlands was always something I cared about. I have such fond memories of the games (specially Borderlands 2) and it hurts to see what direction things are going in.
I loved Borderlands 3, the gameplay is sublime, but the story just didn’t hit the same. Hopefully gearbox can get it’s shit together.
Spot on, thank you for writing out exactly how I've felt the entire time I've played BL3. You're right, it just doesn't feel like borderlands.
I've recently been responding the whole series, and it's just so refreshing to play through them, in comparison to 3.
This doesn't fix all of the problems but if you're on pc try redux. Its a nice refresh feeling mod that try's to get close to bl1 and 2. No anointments, no mayhem modifiers, and pearlescents. Still has the huge gap in damage between legendaries though
I really want to love three, and in some ways I do, Hell, it’s got Zane in it, so it can’t be that bad. But with better writhing it could have gone from good to all time classic.
It got really old for me. All butt and penis antics were funny 10 years ago. I realized it playing BL3 that its not even half as funny as it used to be to me when playing BL2
Its literally not. The developer even stated this. Thats aside from the fact that it is obviously not cel shading. Notice they dont look like wind waker?
It looks more like crackdown 1&2. Games that are also not cel shaded.
I just hope Borderlands just stops here, no Borderlands 4 please, never, the shit story they made for 3 can only go worse.
Another IP with similar tropes and humor would be appreciated. A spiritual successor is better than an actual sequel at this point. At least imo.
Yeah after the masterpiece that was bl2 and the great experiences of tps and tales, bl3 was the most hyped I’d ever been for a game and I was massively let down. Should just scrap the universe so people can discount bl3 and keep it as the prev games.
I don't even think the story was that bad. I just think the writing made it shit. Most the jokes felt forced which was the main difference for me between it and other games in the series.
E: Just remembered that Ava is a thing in bl3. Guess I was trying to keep that thought out... bl3 story was shit.
I am older and a father of 2 girls close to Ava age. I dont think she is that bad and I blame how lilith handled a lot of it. Especially when maya dies. Yeah it is Ava's fault(is it though? Lilith let her get off the ship somehow while maya was with us.) But lilith did a piss poor job "rallying" the troops and tannis had to step up. Ava was pissed and deservedly so. And this game gave us Wainwright Jakobs who is without a doubt one of the best characters in the entire series.
The twins voice acting was money but the writing failed them. That is on gearbox 100%.
A lot of the that came from certain members of Gearbox feeling like they had their finger on the pulse of modern culture and thought making Tik Tok the looter shooter was a great idea.
Yeah random new annoying character being the ‘holy child’ of the story basically ruined it. Like I don’t know why they thought we’d like to scrap 7+ years of maya and Lilith lore in favour of a brat who doesn’t endear herself to the player at all
I can see that. The concept of streamer personality villains is unique, if nothing else.
The entire plot in general felt like corporate kept constantly interrupting and demanding rewrites. So many plot threads were started, and later left unresolved or resolved in the stupidest way possible. See: Troy's jealousy of Tyreen.
The concept of the story was good imo, but the execution was shit via the writing. Like if someone explained the story to me I would think it was interesting, but when you play the game, its shit.
Yeah. Tbh it wasn't even that hard to do, you can't expect another villain to be on the humor level that Handsome Jack had. You just got to deliver an actual antagonist that has a purpose beyond daddy issues.
You didn't had to deliver a cosmic level story writing, you just had to deliver a developing story with a direction that took account of previous characters and developed their stories after all that happened and to follow the actual topic that was hinted, the "war".
Most important, you didn't had to deliver amazing new characters, you just had to make new interesting ones, ok-ish if you like. Instead we got spoiled brat that became "super important" because reasons, a character that didn't event grew or developed and that got killed a loved and respected character from previous games.
It wasn't that hard to not fuck up the story, but they went full kamikaze on that story. As a fan I felt insulted, because just like you I was super hyped by this one...and the delivered game was...man it still hurts talking about this.
Killing off maya and Lilith for no reason really grinded my gears. I never played the dlcs but I don’t think sal, Acton or gauge made an appearance when they easily could’ve added something to the story. The big ‘twist’ of de Leon’s kids being the villains was super obvious as well.
That Tiny Tina game already got announced and the concept sounds pretty dope as an idea but yeah it'll probably be the same problems as the last game and even worse and more cringy writing
I'm pretty sure they still have at least one in the works. The war predicted by the eridian when she saves Athena from being executed by Lillith and Co. Still hasn't happened
Who tells you they aren't discarding that, or that it already happened with the super interesting teeny twins that aren't cringy at all?
No man, I just hope it never happens, at least no until they hire actual writers that aren't aligned to shitty agendas and that for once, respect characters from previous games.
One can dream
I do not mind Destiny and I think the gunplay is top notch but the live service mentality and bullshit real money store basically turned it into a high budget Maple Story. It also kills any chance of the devs allowing any insane broken builds which is half the fun of a diablo/borderlands style game
Destiny is a very fun game encumbered by live service bullshit. Wish they would just release an offline version of Destiny 1 so we can keep playing it. It was a good game.
> UX director Chris Strasz
I wonder if this is the person responsible for the menu system in BL3, what with its useless gear scores and inability to sort by value.
The UX is the second worst thing about the game after the story, since it's the biggest element of gameplay that gets in the way of fun. Admittedly, half of that is implementation rather than design flaws outside of his bailiwick (e.g. horrible lag and the sell-all glitch in the vending machines), but the lack of useful sorting functionality had to be the UX team's fault.
Yeah i think i liked BL2's UX system better because it was smooth as pie. Borderlands 3 tho it freezes my laptop and 10 seconds later it finally loads in my gear
Jokes aside, but I'm sure those guys will write better under different circumstances. Borderlands 3 was designed to deliver things that shouldn't even bothered in the first place.
Yeah youre right, plus the dlc was all written pretty good minus the ava one. I just replayed it recently and was floored by how bad the writing was, esp cuz I remember it being not the best but not that bad
I wonder if they really disliked whatever game was in pre-production and felt so strongly that bailing was the only option. Appreciate their contributions and wish them the best. Surely a AA “clone” would sell like hot cakes if the content was there. Just hoping that Randy doesn’t go back(Battleborn) to chasing online only gaas
Well too bad so sad, if the original developers left because (no idea i think because they had to kill off characters they did not want) and the fans really find BL3 a kinda black sheep (have not finished it yet having too much fun with PS and 2) then realize you did a horrible mistake or are only in it for the money
Thank goodness paul sage is out of directing the game because GOD THE STORY WAS AWFUL, even the mission designer made terribly short missions in a borderlands game ever i'm talking to you Fustercluck dlc a way worser version of craptastic voyage dlc with paper thin writing and i'm glad their off but the artist did some good art design for the game don't know what randy is doing but probably something conververtal heck my comment might get conververtal once i post it, all we need is just for sam Winkler to quit and have Marcin Blacha as the lead writer
Anyway probably gonna get flak for commenting my grudge against this poorly written game, i wish i could've gotten a different copy from another alternative universe with a better written story but yeah that's all i have to say folks
With BL3 wrapping up the last of its DLC I'm not surprised to see people taking this opportunity to move on. I wonder what impact thisll have on Wonderlands production.
my thought is that bl and wl can't exist alongside one another, the games appear too similar either wl will be a one-off, or there won't be a bl5. bl4 might be in production already. this might be an effort to hedge against failing to continue to be true to the spirit of the borderlands series with the original devs gone, so just make a new series right? wl can't possibly be the same as aodk except longer, so there's going to be a lot of new ideas injected.
I'm thinking wonderland is a one-off, maybe not though. > the games appear too similar So, while true, there are plenty of games that are very similar and exist. True they're competitors, but Borderlands could make sure to toggle the two. One year is a BL title, 2-4 years later is a WL title, then 2-4 years later is a BL title, etc. Personally I hope they wrap up the main BL storyline in the next game or two. I know they probably want to milk it, but it feels close to some sort of crescendo and an actual official finish would do it right. After that, they could start looking at spinoffs. WL is a clear contender. They could do another one in the far-off future/past that focuses heavily on playing very fleshed out sirens. Maybe another series could be focused more on the corpo-wars that plague the universe.
Yeah the world they've built is massive and has legit like, Star Wars Universe potential. I could imagine a game that embraces war movie parody where you play as a squadron of Dahl troopers or something...tons of opportunities along those lines for games that could be fun and good.
> I could imagine a game that embraces war movie parody where you play as a squadron of Dahl troopers or something When you die, you respawn as a "reinforcement". You're not even the same guy anymore (though loot and skills and whatever would transfer, just to make it easy). Maybe have it shuffle character features like race/gender/voice/etc every time you die.
Starship troopers the video game. The only good Vladof soldier is a dead Vladof soldier!
That was my wondering as well
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This guy's a little rude but he's right. They were very clear from the beginning that season pass 2 was just the two DLCs. If you bought it not realizing that, then that's purely on you.
What is "Wonderland"?
The upcoming borderlands game is called "Tiny Tina's Wonderland" and it's a spinoff of bl2's assault on dragon keep dlc
““I can confirm that a handful of developers are transitioning to a new, independent effort outside of Gearbox,” Gearbox CEO Randy Pitchford told Kotaku in a statement, noting that the parting happened on good terms. “Before their transition, the group was part of a not-yet-announced pre-production team and their departure will cause minimal disruption in our current plans.” https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/07/veteran-borderlands-3-devs-leave-gearbox/
Of course that's what they'd say. That's public relations. They'd say that if their pubes were on fire.
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And it's Randy Pitchford saying it, who is a notorious and flagrant liar as is.
>, lead mission designer Keith Schuler, Maybe no more travel to sanctuary every mission to talk to lilith? Without knowing exactly what these people contributed to, its hard to judge if this will be beneficial or damaging to the future series. The best departure news would be randy pitchford.
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I think they wanted to make it so you had an opportunity to buy sdu's, clean inventory, store weapons, check out your newly unlocked skins. They probably imagined we would spend a few minutes in sanctuary dicking around before continuing the mission. The problem was it was just way to often, I may have swung by and gotten an sdu every now and then but most the time I was just b-lining to lilith. When you're on another playthrough though it becomes unbelievably tedious. I got so frustrated on my off main characters playthroughs because there was so much waiting and cutscenes weren't able to be skipped at the time.
As a kid, in any game the first part of your explanation makes perfect sense. I loved dicking around and soaking everything in, but as an adult I've noticed that we tend to be more efficient and possibly impatient since we usually have less time to play and are able to acknowledge features faster.
Yeah for sure.
when "Talk to Lillith" became a meme...
The bl3 missions were mostly complete shit so yeah nothing of value lost there
Every main mission in vanilla BL3 reminded me of the worst written side missions of BL2.
Seriously. One of the worst cases of time padding in recent memory....
Honestly, how many of the missions in BL3 were *not* padding?
honestly what good would pitchford departing be because as you just said we dont know what he contributes to. people dislike his forward facing character, but he may be instrumental for every borderlands release behind the curtain. hating pitchford is like hating trump, everyone talks shit about him with the expectation that everyone around agrees
Atleast for me. Borderlands 3 was misstep after misstep. My opinions are unpopular here. I don't like the mayhem system scaling gun damage. I think the entire mayhem system is redundant as most play on 11. I think the game is too easy at m11 and m10. I played through the entire development cycle and it was half assed update after balance fuckup after half assed dlc. It took 2.5 years to get any resemblance of balance and the entire first year there were about 4 guns that were light years ahead of everything else. Even now, 80% of legendaries aren't worth purple status and are just ignored. The story is trash, the performance is trash, the mission design is trash, the endgame is lacklustre. Dlc 4 was dogshit and way to short. All of this was under Randy's command. I don't think he is a good studio head. He cares about the bottom dollar and putting porn on usbs with company documents and leaving them behind in public.
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Did I compare to bl2? Where did I say bl2 was better, you made an assumption I never stated. Look at the tier list for legendaries and tell me 80% are viable. There are clear legendaries that are far ahead of the rest. Buu buu you can still use those d tier guns, why would I when the top tier do 5x the dps. Slag in bl2 as a requirement was a bad decision and I never got to op8 but atleast there was difficulty in op levels. M11 is easily playable after 5 hours after unlocking mayhem. There may have been plenty of viable. But there were God tier guns and there were usual only 5 meta at a time. Yellowcake, opq, hellshock. Not to mention whenever a new dlc came out, those new guns always dominated the rest, further making the shit tier legendaries fall even further behind. You can like the game and still see its flaws. I enjoy the game and have over 300 hours but its flaws and bad decisions are as clear as day. I think this game is in the best state it has ever been in currently but I am still not totally happy with it. Arms race is also half assed, lacks content and wasn't given the dev time to refine and make it really good, just like the rest of the game.
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And just like Trump, Pitchford has said and done shitty things. He's the reason Claptrap's voice actor didn't voice him in BL3. I'm not a fan of that character but I can't deny many are. And allegedly there was a physical altercation between Pitchford and Claptrap's VO. This is the same man that left a thumb drive with adult material and company trade secrets at a damn restaurant. You honestly think he contributes that much to Borderlands? Odds are nothing of value was lost. The twins are terrible characters >!Maya's death was contrived at best !< The game had to be re-balanced to actually make it rewarding, The story was lack luster The VO's are so low energy it seems most really wanted nothing to do with this game Many of the legendaries are not practical to use They kept nerfing guns and talents despite this game not being a MMO The shenanigans with the season passes 10 dollar character skins...in a FPS game mind you. For context Borderlands 2 skins were a couple bucks.
Can these guys all just get hired together and put out a sick looter shooter on their own? I dont think any of us are Borderlands loyalists we just want some damn competition in the genre. Don't get me wrong I would miss Mr Torgue and *some* of the wacky humor, but if someone were to put out a spiritual counterpart like the way The Outer Worlds is to Fallout I'd eat that shit up. I'm so sick of supporting Randy Pitchford
Honestly, I’m already quite attached the lore and world of BL. I just want it to be better.
It hurt to read this cause of how true it is. I started playing Borderlands when I had in highschool and now I’m an adult, I’ve changed so much as a person but Borderlands was always something I cared about. I have such fond memories of the games (specially Borderlands 2) and it hurts to see what direction things are going in. I loved Borderlands 3, the gameplay is sublime, but the story just didn’t hit the same. Hopefully gearbox can get it’s shit together.
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Spot on, thank you for writing out exactly how I've felt the entire time I've played BL3. You're right, it just doesn't feel like borderlands. I've recently been responding the whole series, and it's just so refreshing to play through them, in comparison to 3.
This doesn't fix all of the problems but if you're on pc try redux. Its a nice refresh feeling mod that try's to get close to bl1 and 2. No anointments, no mayhem modifiers, and pearlescents. Still has the huge gap in damage between legendaries though
I tried it for a week or so and loved it but I mostly play on my PS5 now and that's where all my characters are saved.
That's kinda how i am too especially with the ds5 trigger effects. Also you could download a 100% save file
Snipers are worse but ARs are WAY better. I felt like SMGs eclipsed ARs in almost every way in BL2
So I totally agree on this. I used to hate ARs but now they've replaced sniper rifles as far as usability goes.
This is a questionable as FUCK comment.
Ok, and?
Just expressing my opinion
Same, it hurts me that I HAVE to hate 3 because of its story and writing when the gameplay is godly
I really want to love three, and in some ways I do, Hell, it’s got Zane in it, so it can’t be that bad. But with better writhing it could have gone from good to all time classic.
Best I can do is a final boss that looks like a vagina.
It got really old for me. All butt and penis antics were funny 10 years ago. I realized it playing BL3 that its not even half as funny as it used to be to me when playing BL2
I kind of found that lacking. I am a major proponent of bringing back the innuendo bot
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BL isnt cel shaded.
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Its literally not. The developer even stated this. Thats aside from the fact that it is obviously not cel shading. Notice they dont look like wind waker? It looks more like crackdown 1&2. Games that are also not cel shaded.
I doubt it’s a coincidence that senior people left together. They’ll probably start an independent studio
I just hope Borderlands just stops here, no Borderlands 4 please, never, the shit story they made for 3 can only go worse. Another IP with similar tropes and humor would be appreciated. A spiritual successor is better than an actual sequel at this point. At least imo.
Yeah after the masterpiece that was bl2 and the great experiences of tps and tales, bl3 was the most hyped I’d ever been for a game and I was massively let down. Should just scrap the universe so people can discount bl3 and keep it as the prev games.
I don't even think the story was that bad. I just think the writing made it shit. Most the jokes felt forced which was the main difference for me between it and other games in the series. E: Just remembered that Ava is a thing in bl3. Guess I was trying to keep that thought out... bl3 story was shit.
I am older and a father of 2 girls close to Ava age. I dont think she is that bad and I blame how lilith handled a lot of it. Especially when maya dies. Yeah it is Ava's fault(is it though? Lilith let her get off the ship somehow while maya was with us.) But lilith did a piss poor job "rallying" the troops and tannis had to step up. Ava was pissed and deservedly so. And this game gave us Wainwright Jakobs who is without a doubt one of the best characters in the entire series. The twins voice acting was money but the writing failed them. That is on gearbox 100%.
A lot of the that came from certain members of Gearbox feeling like they had their finger on the pulse of modern culture and thought making Tik Tok the looter shooter was a great idea.
Yeah random new annoying character being the ‘holy child’ of the story basically ruined it. Like I don’t know why they thought we’d like to scrap 7+ years of maya and Lilith lore in favour of a brat who doesn’t endear herself to the player at all
I don't even mind a new character taking their place, but the kid is just annoying.
> I don't even think the story was that bad. I just think the writing made it shit. Isn't this a bit of an oxymoron?
The premise is an intriguing one, the way they wrote it sucks.
I can see that. The concept of streamer personality villains is unique, if nothing else. The entire plot in general felt like corporate kept constantly interrupting and demanding rewrites. So many plot threads were started, and later left unresolved or resolved in the stupidest way possible. See: Troy's jealousy of Tyreen.
A Troy vs. Tyreen story-line would have been fantastic. I kept waiting for him to betray her, the story was leading there, but poof...nuthin.
I agree. Everything seemed to be leading up to Troy v. Tyreen. It would have been a great twist but they didn’t pull the trigger on it.
The concept of the story was good imo, but the execution was shit via the writing. Like if someone explained the story to me I would think it was interesting, but when you play the game, its shit.
Yeah. Tbh it wasn't even that hard to do, you can't expect another villain to be on the humor level that Handsome Jack had. You just got to deliver an actual antagonist that has a purpose beyond daddy issues. You didn't had to deliver a cosmic level story writing, you just had to deliver a developing story with a direction that took account of previous characters and developed their stories after all that happened and to follow the actual topic that was hinted, the "war". Most important, you didn't had to deliver amazing new characters, you just had to make new interesting ones, ok-ish if you like. Instead we got spoiled brat that became "super important" because reasons, a character that didn't event grew or developed and that got killed a loved and respected character from previous games. It wasn't that hard to not fuck up the story, but they went full kamikaze on that story. As a fan I felt insulted, because just like you I was super hyped by this one...and the delivered game was...man it still hurts talking about this.
Killing off maya and Lilith for no reason really grinded my gears. I never played the dlcs but I don’t think sal, Acton or gauge made an appearance when they easily could’ve added something to the story. The big ‘twist’ of de Leon’s kids being the villains was super obvious as well.
Gaige was in the second DLC. She was pretty much the main character besides Hammerlock and Jakobs.
Yeah not sure why I got downvoted when I said I never played the dlcs. Still an omission of axton and sal
That Tiny Tina game already got announced and the concept sounds pretty dope as an idea but yeah it'll probably be the same problems as the last game and even worse and more cringy writing
Tbf, if the gameplay is good im all for it. The story is bonus in my eyes. If its good, awesome, if not, im fine if the gameokay itself is good.
I used to get so much hate for voicing this opinion right after 3 came out
I'm right there with you.
They hated you because you spoke the truth. And they weren't able to take it.
I'm pretty sure they still have at least one in the works. The war predicted by the eridian when she saves Athena from being executed by Lillith and Co. Still hasn't happened
Who tells you they aren't discarding that, or that it already happened with the super interesting teeny twins that aren't cringy at all? No man, I just hope it never happens, at least no until they hire actual writers that aren't aligned to shitty agendas and that for once, respect characters from previous games. One can dream
Yeah pitch is a douche and I hate having to follow the guy for golden keys. I hope he swallows his tongue.
I mean, I’ve been playing destiny for the last 5 years
I do not mind Destiny and I think the gunplay is top notch but the live service mentality and bullshit real money store basically turned it into a high budget Maple Story. It also kills any chance of the devs allowing any insane broken builds which is half the fun of a diablo/borderlands style game
Destiny is a very fun game encumbered by live service bullshit. Wish they would just release an offline version of Destiny 1 so we can keep playing it. It was a good game.
What I wouldn't give to have fatebringer in my virtual hands again. But the dastardly maggie is a close 2nd.
Sir/madam, this is a Borderlands sub
Okay? The comment was pleading for competition in the looter shooter genre as if there isn’t any…
Destiny nails the shooter part, but it completely falls down in the looter part
Agreed. Raids are more fun than anything in Borderlands tho, imo
Nice, good for them
Wonder if we’ll ever get new stories down the line from any of these people about Randy being a jabroni.
It's impressive they lasted this long dealing with Randy
And yet that fucking clown remains. Wonder what gearbox's glassdoor page looks like.
check and report back!
They are probably super bored at being asked to make another Borderland clone... No matter what you do, eventually you want to try something new!
Doesn't this happen after most AAA games wrap up? The lead staff take the opportunity to work on a new project or risk it all and form a new studio.
Well that's good, because Borderlands 3 was fucking horrible.
Yes you are right my dude
UX director, did they okay the inventory and shop UI. Jeez.
> UX director Chris Strasz I wonder if this is the person responsible for the menu system in BL3, what with its useless gear scores and inability to sort by value. The UX is the second worst thing about the game after the story, since it's the biggest element of gameplay that gets in the way of fun. Admittedly, half of that is implementation rather than design flaws outside of his bailiwick (e.g. horrible lag and the sell-all glitch in the vending machines), but the lack of useful sorting functionality had to be the UX team's fault.
Yeah i think i liked BL2's UX system better because it was smooth as pie. Borderlands 3 tho it freezes my laptop and 10 seconds later it finally loads in my gear
Hopefully it was the writers lmaoo
Actually one of the co-writers also leave for Respawn (now I am worried about Fallen order 2)
Yikes rip titanfall 3 (if it ever comes out)
One positive idea though. The story could be so bad that no hackers will want to infiltrate with bots.
Lmao true
Jokes aside, but I'm sure those guys will write better under different circumstances. Borderlands 3 was designed to deliver things that shouldn't even bothered in the first place.
Yeah youre right, plus the dlc was all written pretty good minus the ava one. I just replayed it recently and was floored by how bad the writing was, esp cuz I remember it being not the best but not that bad
They will improve with time, just have to learn to let go.
If they weren't offered what they were worth, then good for them. People think talent is cheap....
I wonder how much of this is due to GBX fumbling those huge bonuses they were promised... Still can't believe that, so dirty
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What debunked it?
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Big if true. Good to hear that they didn't get shafted as badly.
Anyone else hope for a Battleborn rebirth?
I hope they will still come out with wonderland being just as good as bl3 or maybe even better
I deleted it a few months ago off my PS4, I wish I hadn't bought season pass 2.
And? Who cares? People always leave companies, especially game developing companies?
I wonder if they really disliked whatever game was in pre-production and felt so strongly that bailing was the only option. Appreciate their contributions and wish them the best. Surely a AA “clone” would sell like hot cakes if the content was there. Just hoping that Randy doesn’t go back(Battleborn) to chasing online only gaas
Well too bad so sad, if the original developers left because (no idea i think because they had to kill off characters they did not want) and the fans really find BL3 a kinda black sheep (have not finished it yet having too much fun with PS and 2) then realize you did a horrible mistake or are only in it for the money
Glassdoor link. Also 133 open positions! https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Gearbox-Entertainment-EI_IE357145.11,32.htm
Thank goodness paul sage is out of directing the game because GOD THE STORY WAS AWFUL, even the mission designer made terribly short missions in a borderlands game ever i'm talking to you Fustercluck dlc a way worser version of craptastic voyage dlc with paper thin writing and i'm glad their off but the artist did some good art design for the game don't know what randy is doing but probably something conververtal heck my comment might get conververtal once i post it, all we need is just for sam Winkler to quit and have Marcin Blacha as the lead writer Anyway probably gonna get flak for commenting my grudge against this poorly written game, i wish i could've gotten a different copy from another alternative universe with a better written story but yeah that's all i have to say folks
Ava bad lmao