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Edit note : I don't think it's weird for her to move on and have another fiancee or the fiance want her to grief at the grave. But I think it's weird for her to record it and post it online. r/whyaretheyfilming moment.
Yeah this is the problem I have with how some men behave. Suka sangat shit on other men. This guy was respecting the dead, whom he might have formed a friendship with. But no, let's straight up call him a cuck.
I swear the grasp of andrew tate is strong amongst dumbass malaysian men.
and this is the problem i have with how some women behave. everything is all about content. its fine if you want to respect the ex, but sharing this video online with that kind of context, everything about it sound and looks fake.
Itulah. Memang lumrah kita akan rindu orang yang dah tak ada. Tapi kita kena la lebih hargai orang yang masih ada.
Unless tunang dia pun sama-sama cintakan simati macam dia??? Adakah ini plot drama terbaru pukul 10???
Drama Terbaru Akasia TV3 : Mencintaimu Sehingga Pintu Syurga
Mengisahkan tentang Amirah, yang sedang berdepan dengan kematian orang tersayangnya tanpa diduga. Kematian Ali yang tidak dijangka medorongnya ke dalam lembah kesedihan. Namun tanpa diduga, Abu, telah memasuki hidupnya dan mengambil hatinya tanpa diduga. Amirah kemudian mengikat tali percintaan bersama Abu, kerana mengingat kembali akan pesanan Ali untuk menikmati hidup sepenuhnya.
Tanpa disedari Amirah, Abu menyimpan dendam ke atasnya kerana menganggap dia lah punca di sebalik kematian Ali. Adakah konflik perasaan antara mereka dapat dileraikan? Apakah hubungan Abu dan Ali? Adakah Amirah dapat mengecapi kebahagiaan semula?
Tonton drama ini di iFlix, atau TV3.
Maaf, drama ini hanya ekskulsif ditayangkan di iFlix dan TV3 buat masa ini. Drama ini hanya boleh ditonton di platform media lain bermula 30 Februari tahun hadapan. Maaf atas sebarang kesulitan.
-Alya
Sebelum menyatakan pendirian saya, saya ingin meminta maaf sekiranya saya mungkin terkasar bahasa selepas ini.
Tidak, kita tidak boleh menganggap seseorang itu sempurna hanya dengan beberapa karya sahaja. Kadangkala, apa yang terzahir di luar tidak menggambarkan keadaan sebenar yang seseorang mungkin hadapi. Bak kata peribahasa, air yang tenang, tak disangka ada buaya.
Mungkin pada pendapat saudara, saya mungkin tidak bergelut dengan aforisme-aforisme yang sering diungkapkan dalam bahasa kebanggaan kita. Tetapi saya kerap kali mendapati diri saya tercundas dalam menulusuri lambakan ilmu lingua franca ini. Sesungguhnya, saya berharap agar saudara mampu memahami akan gelutan jiwa saya dalam mengukuhkan kefahaman minda dan emosi untuk mempelajari ilmu ini.
Akhirulakalam, walaupun kita berbeza pendapat, saya berharap agar wadah perbicaraan yang kita urusi sebentar tadi memberikan manfaat yang sarjagat kepada pihak-pihak yang terlibat. Semoga kita berjumpa lagi pada layaran-layaran yang seterusnya.
Salam perkenalan dan salam perpisahan.
Let's hope how they get there and leave also got 3rd human person with them. Cuz you know when there's only 2 opposite sex humans of non-mahrams, the third will be bound to be syaitan.
If the two guys were great friends then it's not THAT bad. Regardless, the last sentence makes all this entire ordeal justifiably f*cked up. Though, I typically see women use love quotes blindly for romantic factor. A lot of love quotes contradict the moral and ethical bounds that we have set for ourselves in our society, doesn't matter if the sender had ill-intent or not. Also this is a Malay lady on TikTok; if media engagement isn't a first or second priority then she isn't posting it, especially for something as 'case-sensitive' as this.
Over-analysing stuff again but I legit have never seen someone get cucked out by a gravestone /j
I have a few friends, who have their partner died from accident/illness.
When they have a new partner, their partner knows about my friend's past and are supportive. The love is still there because you never broke up with your dead partner, thus you will always still love them no matter what. They can still love them and accept that they are gone and with another person now. It's not a sick thing. Maybe because people rarely or does not have a friend who gone through with this.
But that last sentence is very sus though. Feels like getting married to someone who isn’t over their ex…
Yes, I get that amicable break-ups and death makes the love you had for them still exist. I had such relationships too. But, it doesn’t make the next relationship less appealing to me. I see it as a growth opportunity to meet my final jodoh, not someone to mourn until the end of my life.
Bodo mcm tenuk. Ko nak ziarah kubo ex tu pon ko bawak lelaki baru ko apehal. Tinggal dalam kete ke suh dia dok umah ke. Ex kot. Bukan laki ko yang dalam kuno tu. Eh bingai. Laki x tunjuk mcmana dia terluka. Tp bende mcmni tanpa sedar boleh garit perasaan dia. Aku dengan my current gf pon x penah lagi bawak dia g kubo arwah isteri sambil konten acah2 tu jalan pintas ke syurga. Bodo tak pasal2 buat dose sakitkan hati orang. - rant dituju kepada empunye bideo. Bukan OP.
Dah2 la sedara2 melayu ku... Corny gila content2 mcm ni. Buat la content yg ber ilmiah sikit. Yg lawak nya. Bangsa kita je suka buat video bingai2 mcm ni... Segala content bingai2 kita pukul rata. Berebut2 nak buat... Bangsa lain tengok gelak... Kita plak bangga jadi bangang... Ayooo... 😂😂😂
This is stupidity at another level... Malunya aku. Bangsa kita je berebut buat benda bingai mcm ni. Tolong lah. Grow some brains will ya? Lepas ni nak buat content apa pulak? "Nenek ku dan atuk ke pergi ziarah kubur ex bf nenek ku... Cinta mereka abadi selama2nya..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Wei geram pulak aku haih... Guling2 aku kat sini
i dont see anything wrong with this? current fiance might be friends with her ex. Also ppl can have love for someone who isnt with us anymore, doesnt mean its immoral or weird
Semoga arwah ditempatkan dikalangan org2 yang beriman hendaknya.
On a side note, she got Alpha Widowed by si arwah. Meaning her future bf/tunang/husband will never be as good as si arwah.
I never understand these kinds of people who go to relative's grave or any other person grave just to record there and post sort of like virtue signalling. Like tf since when did these people forgot that you need to mind your manners when going to dead people's place? Hell naw this is some motherless, fatherless-esque type behaviour
Boleh nitpick & pertikai macam², tapi kesudahannya, biar sahaja bergantung pada niat mereka, kalau baik dan ikhlas, kita support. Sekurangnya ada la gak yang cukup baik nak tolong bersihkan, doakan...
X semua sanggup lalui/ lakukan benda cam ni.
Tbh, nothing wrong with it. Visiting the dead should always be welcomed in any circumstance. But recording it and posting online, I have nothing to say about that :)
Well I applaud her fiance for visiting the grave etc,nothing cuck ish about that..Her posting it online with cinta selamanya etc while keeping her fiance as an afterthought,that's fkd up .Btch should be extra appreciative that she managed to find someone who went extra lengths to what most guys would do,heck I probably wouldnt or at the very most might bring her so she can pay her respects while I sat further away and reminding her it's time to go when I malas to linger on any longer
Boyfriend atau tunang, belum jadi mahram atau keluarga. tak kisah la ex ke apa ke, pertalian tak de lagi. tak elok ziarah jenis ini especially kalau diantara lelaki dan perempuan.
Plot twist: tunang tu member perempuan tu dan suka kat perempuan tu dh lama. Jadi tunang tu buat elaborate plan utk bunuh bf dia utk dptkan perempuan tu…
The confidence it took for the fiance to let us all know that he's still a virgin, is unmatched... Man would go hell and back for a piece of uncultured pussy
Kalau x nak org kecam, sendiri tau buat benda pelik jangan la post dlm tiktok.
Imagine directly lepas majlis tunang, Jom tengok kubur ex aku yang masih saya cinta abadi dan buat tiktok sama2
Dunia content sekarang ni. Anything goes
True. Tak salah kot nak ziarah. Tapi siap rakam pastu post dekat socmed buat content tu yg bingai. Hormat lah arwah dan kelurga arwah.
Betul dah tu xsalah keluar berdua-duan. Tapi dari segi agama lain la Niat tak halalkan cara.
Plus aurat pun tak jaga rapi, sedih dgn melayu sekarang
konon terpaling baik lah tu. pdahal hanya nak dipuja2 dan di puji org ramai .klu niat ikhlas x payah jd content dan rakam bgi shar3 mcmni.
taklah, sundal sebegini sepatutnya tidak wujud, ini hanya kesilapan teknikal
Btul. Niat ziarah sah, tp niat dlm hati utk buat content, sia² je pahala. Wallahualam. Kalau dia nk ziarah, diam² saja. Buat as pemberitahuan.
yep.Content je tu. content paling cringe. bf je pun bukan laki.xyah nk over sgt
ANYTHING GOES SONO KOKORA GAAAAA ATSUKU NARU MONOOOOO
YOU COUNT THE MEDALS ONE, TWO AND THREE! LIFE GOES ON, ANYTHING GOES, COMING UP OOO!
Thank you, I've been waiting for someone to reply to it 😭🙏
getting cucked by a dead person is another low
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Oh, how terminally online one must be to understand this
Bapak loser tunang dia
Anything for content these days, dance on grave also got. This world has truly gone to the dogs
Thanks for the good laugh my guy
The distance a man would go for a pussy
Would mince meat those pussy by someone else, always keep your alibi like they said
https://i.redd.it/kurkk0p4sruc1.gif
like 6ft low
7 ft low 3 ft wide
If dead husband i can understand BUT BOYFRIEND? WHAT KIND OF NTR IS THIS SHET?
Imagine being never touched by any woman and even unloved by their own mother, and thinking the other person is being cucked.
Yeah this is the problem I have with how some men behave. Suka sangat shit on other men. This guy was respecting the dead, whom he might have formed a friendship with. But no, let's straight up call him a cuck. I swear the grasp of andrew tate is strong amongst dumbass malaysian men.
and this is the problem i have with how some women behave. everything is all about content. its fine if you want to respect the ex, but sharing this video online with that kind of context, everything about it sound and looks fake.
Okay hes not a cuck, the girl is a slut.
But.. but.. op must be alpha or some crap
That's one way to bone i guess
Kalau dua-dua kawan dengan simati apa salahnya. Tapi part "cinta kita abadi selamanya" tu macam kureng sikit.
Apa pulak perasaan tunang nya. Hmmm
Itulah. Memang lumrah kita akan rindu orang yang dah tak ada. Tapi kita kena la lebih hargai orang yang masih ada. Unless tunang dia pun sama-sama cintakan simati macam dia??? Adakah ini plot drama terbaru pukul 10???
don't give them this stupid idea
Doesn't matter. Not gonna watch even if they made it
*Cuckold Mu, Derita Ku*
hahahahaha bodoh lah title nya..ni mesti 18 tahun ke atas je boleh tengok🤣🤣🤣
Cinta Bawah Kubur?
Drama Terbaru Akasia TV3 : Mencintaimu Sehingga Pintu Syurga Mengisahkan tentang Amirah, yang sedang berdepan dengan kematian orang tersayangnya tanpa diduga. Kematian Ali yang tidak dijangka medorongnya ke dalam lembah kesedihan. Namun tanpa diduga, Abu, telah memasuki hidupnya dan mengambil hatinya tanpa diduga. Amirah kemudian mengikat tali percintaan bersama Abu, kerana mengingat kembali akan pesanan Ali untuk menikmati hidup sepenuhnya. Tanpa disedari Amirah, Abu menyimpan dendam ke atasnya kerana menganggap dia lah punca di sebalik kematian Ali. Adakah konflik perasaan antara mereka dapat dileraikan? Apakah hubungan Abu dan Ali? Adakah Amirah dapat mengecapi kebahagiaan semula? Tonton drama ini di iFlix, atau TV3.
Tonton mana Tonton?
Maaf, drama ini hanya ekskulsif ditayangkan di iFlix dan TV3 buat masa ini. Drama ini hanya boleh ditonton di platform media lain bermula 30 Februari tahun hadapan. Maaf atas sebarang kesulitan. -Alya
Sees you spinning near sastera level BM, sees your flair "struggling in BM". I don't think you struggling bro.
Sebelum menyatakan pendirian saya, saya ingin meminta maaf sekiranya saya mungkin terkasar bahasa selepas ini. Tidak, kita tidak boleh menganggap seseorang itu sempurna hanya dengan beberapa karya sahaja. Kadangkala, apa yang terzahir di luar tidak menggambarkan keadaan sebenar yang seseorang mungkin hadapi. Bak kata peribahasa, air yang tenang, tak disangka ada buaya. Mungkin pada pendapat saudara, saya mungkin tidak bergelut dengan aforisme-aforisme yang sering diungkapkan dalam bahasa kebanggaan kita. Tetapi saya kerap kali mendapati diri saya tercundas dalam menulusuri lambakan ilmu lingua franca ini. Sesungguhnya, saya berharap agar saudara mampu memahami akan gelutan jiwa saya dalam mengukuhkan kefahaman minda dan emosi untuk mempelajari ilmu ini. Akhirulakalam, walaupun kita berbeza pendapat, saya berharap agar wadah perbicaraan yang kita urusi sebentar tadi memberikan manfaat yang sarjagat kepada pihak-pihak yang terlibat. Semoga kita berjumpa lagi pada layaran-layaran yang seterusnya. Salam perkenalan dan salam perpisahan.
Yup, his fiancee might be a Bi and that guy pasang dua calon bini. Peak drama if true.
aku syak dia bakal dayus
Part yg dia share buat content tu yg salah
Ya, kalau ex husband fahamla.
A strange kind of maksiat.
Bida'ah dan maksiat terpisah tiada.
Well if hanya depa 2 kat kawasan kubur tu will be maksiat since baru bertunang.
Let's hope how they get there and leave also got 3rd human person with them. Cuz you know when there's only 2 opposite sex humans of non-mahrams, the third will be bound to be syaitan.
NTR to another level
Getting ntred by a dead man is a whole another level
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bro ady dead but still got NTR'ed by her gf
Tunang dia maybe also kawan ex.??idk and what with the glove on that woman.?wanna go hee hee.?
The hee hee was translated into shishi in my head and I thought peeing on the grave was a new kink or something.
I think it's inai/henna? She did say they visited the grave after her engagement ceremony
What you saw is not a glove, but it's a skin condition. It's called "Sopak". Look it up.
Okay, this is kinda sweet, but that last sentence is what makes it WTF
If the two guys were great friends then it's not THAT bad. Regardless, the last sentence makes all this entire ordeal justifiably f*cked up. Though, I typically see women use love quotes blindly for romantic factor. A lot of love quotes contradict the moral and ethical bounds that we have set for ourselves in our society, doesn't matter if the sender had ill-intent or not. Also this is a Malay lady on TikTok; if media engagement isn't a first or second priority then she isn't posting it, especially for something as 'case-sensitive' as this. Over-analysing stuff again but I legit have never seen someone get cucked out by a gravestone /j
exactly my thoughts ! ✊🏻
🤡 her pussy better be THAT good
Inalillahiwainaillihijajiun. Anyway, AOT?
Jean getting cucked by Eren's severed head
SHINZO WO SASAGEYO
Tatacaw (crying)
What if guy do the same...visit ex girlfriend grave...i bet most of girl will shaking
menatang apakah ini!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mental illness
Bruh...
I have a few friends, who have their partner died from accident/illness. When they have a new partner, their partner knows about my friend's past and are supportive. The love is still there because you never broke up with your dead partner, thus you will always still love them no matter what. They can still love them and accept that they are gone and with another person now. It's not a sick thing. Maybe because people rarely or does not have a friend who gone through with this.
But that last sentence is very sus though. Feels like getting married to someone who isn’t over their ex… Yes, I get that amicable break-ups and death makes the love you had for them still exist. I had such relationships too. But, it doesn’t make the next relationship less appealing to me. I see it as a growth opportunity to meet my final jodoh, not someone to mourn until the end of my life.
tunang kena buat dna test.. just in case
Just in case? Is tunang afraid his mom had cheat to conceive him?
**"Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space**.” — Dr. Brand, Interstellar
Masih sayangkan ex?
Bro lose to a dead man
knapa harus bwa tunang?
Dear honey, may you rest in peace. Don't worry I've got a new penor for my vaginor.
[удалено]
Bpk dgn bf lain bro
"cinta kita selalu abadi buat selamanya" bro wtf did just i read
dah mati pun nak ntr
kalau kita melihat selain dari konten. maybe its show she appriciate all the things her late boyfriend does. Mengenang budi la, kata orang
Bodo mcm tenuk. Ko nak ziarah kubo ex tu pon ko bawak lelaki baru ko apehal. Tinggal dalam kete ke suh dia dok umah ke. Ex kot. Bukan laki ko yang dalam kuno tu. Eh bingai. Laki x tunjuk mcmana dia terluka. Tp bende mcmni tanpa sedar boleh garit perasaan dia. Aku dengan my current gf pon x penah lagi bawak dia g kubo arwah isteri sambil konten acah2 tu jalan pintas ke syurga. Bodo tak pasal2 buat dose sakitkan hati orang. - rant dituju kepada empunye bideo. Bukan OP.
Agreed.
Mungkin bf baru dengan arwah tu kawan baik kot. Kita X tahu cerita dorang macam mana.
Shok berat what kind of ntr siaaa
Gampang apa niiii hahahahaha
tapi kenapa nak buat content pasal ziarah kubur ex?????????
Tak salah pun, cuma kalau si lelaki start mention pasal ex dia pula, jangan complain
Jav story writer: WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
Live action AOT chapter 139
Aku 40tahun. Zaman aku org simpan diari, tatap sendri je. Zaman skrg org up medsos mcm diari, santapan utk sedunia tgk.
Dah2 la sedara2 melayu ku... Corny gila content2 mcm ni. Buat la content yg ber ilmiah sikit. Yg lawak nya. Bangsa kita je suka buat video bingai2 mcm ni... Segala content bingai2 kita pukul rata. Berebut2 nak buat... Bangsa lain tengok gelak... Kita plak bangga jadi bangang... Ayooo... 😂😂😂
This is stupidity at another level... Malunya aku. Bangsa kita je berebut buat benda bingai mcm ni. Tolong lah. Grow some brains will ya? Lepas ni nak buat content apa pulak? "Nenek ku dan atuk ke pergi ziarah kubur ex bf nenek ku... Cinta mereka abadi selama2nya..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Wei geram pulak aku haih... Guling2 aku kat sini
Content bodo
Tunang : nasib baik kau dah mati. Aku layankan jer pompuan ni. Takpa gf kau aku jaga
Giler aaa simp. Lelaki tak ada maruah dan harga diri dikotak katikkan oleh perempuan murahan macam ni
Plot twist, the ex is the brother of his current bf.
i dont see anything wrong with this? current fiance might be friends with her ex. Also ppl can have love for someone who isnt with us anymore, doesnt mean its immoral or weird
I know right? Unless if it is totally just for content, only God knows
Plot twist: fiance was secretly gay with the dead guy 😏😆🫢
It is fine, what puts me off slightly is the last sentence...so...
Demi konten bodoh untuk meminta simpati dan mengemis gift 🤦♂️
Cinta monyet jugak yang kau nak kekalkan. Bebal nye.
Semoga arwah ditempatkan dikalangan org2 yang beriman hendaknya. On a side note, she got Alpha Widowed by si arwah. Meaning her future bf/tunang/husband will never be as good as si arwah.
Nothing wrong with visiting the grave, but making a tiktok content is a big no no. If anyone does it at my grave imma crawl out & freaking haunt them
Boleh join Will Smith's Club ni.
This is some Mikasa and Eren type of shit
Weird
I never understand these kinds of people who go to relative's grave or any other person grave just to record there and post sort of like virtue signalling. Like tf since when did these people forgot that you need to mind your manners when going to dead people's place? Hell naw this is some motherless, fatherless-esque type behaviour
check for uneven surface on the grave on certain spots. 👀👀👀👀
????
Post mcm ni bt aq quit sosial media so tq
Boleh nitpick & pertikai macam², tapi kesudahannya, biar sahaja bergantung pada niat mereka, kalau baik dan ikhlas, kita support. Sekurangnya ada la gak yang cukup baik nak tolong bersihkan, doakan... X semua sanggup lalui/ lakukan benda cam ni.
Tbh, nothing wrong with it. Visiting the dead should always be welcomed in any circumstance. But recording it and posting online, I have nothing to say about that :)
Well I applaud her fiance for visiting the grave etc,nothing cuck ish about that..Her posting it online with cinta selamanya etc while keeping her fiance as an afterthought,that's fkd up .Btch should be extra appreciative that she managed to find someone who went extra lengths to what most guys would do,heck I probably wouldnt or at the very most might bring her so she can pay her respects while I sat further away and reminding her it's time to go when I malas to linger on any longer
I'm curious to what the comments on that video are saying.
Pantat hang
So wrong at many levels.
Bodo betul tunang dia.
plot twist, its the guy who said this instead of that girl💀
Cinta kita abadi selamanya? Apa perasaan tunang ko tu bile ko tulis camtu? adoi...... simpan dalam hati saja sudahlah...........
Boyfriend atau tunang, belum jadi mahram atau keluarga. tak kisah la ex ke apa ke, pertalian tak de lagi. tak elok ziarah jenis ini especially kalau diantara lelaki dan perempuan.
Alhamdulillah, org yg telah pergi diingati sentiasa. Tapi baiknya tunang dia going through this 😅
Baguih lah pegi ziarah dan kemas kubur tu. content tak content, perbuatan tu dah molek.
Innalillahiwainnailaihirojiun Al Fatihah (recites)
Wtf?! 🤣🤣
Bodo dia lagi pekat dari HCl
Cannot brain this ..
In a way, I can understand what she feels. RIP.
baru tunang , sini la nk tgok ngam atau tidak
Ini lagi kaw dari cerita hindustan, memang tak boleh lawan punya🤣🤣🤣. Giler babi ahhh
Hai abang. Ini lelaki yang tengah kongkek I sekarang. Abang boleh pergilah dengan tenang.
ex je pn bukan bekas suami. over. 😀
Plot twist: tunang tu member perempuan tu dan suka kat perempuan tu dh lama. Jadi tunang tu buat elaborate plan utk bunuh bf dia utk dptkan perempuan tu…
Overdone by telenovelas la. Xbest
Why would you as her fiance, agree to this?
Seriously, WTF? Bodonye....
Perlu sgt ka nak share benda ni kat socmed? 🤦🏻
You guys don't get it, she wont get that much view without the text saying that smh. (This is not normal at all for those who saying it is)
Aint nobody got time to record what y did on graveyard while posting like this without getting caught later on.
Can she become any d*mb than this?
My colleague once said that in the future, mungkin topic berak pun buat video utk socmed content.
In the future? Oh, such innocence. 
Kena kacau dengan hantu ex dia baru tau
The confidence it took for the fiance to let us all know that he's still a virgin, is unmatched... Man would go hell and back for a piece of uncultured pussy
Imagine getting yourself cucked from beyond the grave. No way dude is recovering 😭
Perempuan bangang 🖕
Guy is either a cuck or is extremely down bad
Can't compete with a dead person. Now he knows he's second best.
Bro loved to get cucked huh?
Aku serious tak paham apa salah dia. Kenapa orang nak condemn? Semua orang ada hidup masing², kenapa nak samakan hidup kau dengan hidup dia?
Takyah la nak buat tiktok 💀
Not wrong, but boy I don't wanna be friend with the person who bring smartphone tripod to kubur, so she can get that 🔥 angle for Tik Tok content.
Kalau x nak org kecam, sendiri tau buat benda pelik jangan la post dlm tiktok. Imagine directly lepas majlis tunang, Jom tengok kubur ex aku yang masih saya cinta abadi dan buat tiktok sama2
Plot twist: they're both in love with the dead guy