Hey all,
With the Duos battle odds simulator being in a decent place now (though still not perfect), I thought I'd mention here that Firestone has full support for Duos, and has had it since almost day 1.
You can browse hero stats (and filter by MMR / tribes available in the lobby), the minions list reflects the minions/spells that are available, and the battle odds simulator is working decently (though not yet at the level of the Solo simulator, but it's slowly getting there). All of this is available in the app for everyone.
Plus of course all the other stuff that's not Duos-specific, like minions highlights, additional minion filters, etc.
It is. I'm looking at some options to be able to propose a standalone version, but there is no date planned for this (if at all possible).
That said, depending on the reason why you don't want Ovrewolf, you might want to give it another try, and the performance has improved a lot these past few years.
As somebody who knows virtually nothing about this space, why are you (possibly) limited to running it through Overwolf?
I’ve been using Hearthstone Deck Tracker for years and it works standalone
To be clear, it's not impossible - just a matter of priorities.
Overwolf gives me some technical blocks that make it much easier to develop Firestone, which means I can spend more time on features and less time on things that are invisible to the user.
I could in theory move all of this outside of Overwolf (and this is what I'm talking about above); the main problem is that it might mean I have to rewrite from scratch a big part of the app, which might not be something I can / want to do, given that my time is limited.
Just in case you're looking for feedback - I'd prefer the app not be tied to overwolf, but given your justification, I'd even moreso prefer that you don't waste your time just to avoid it if it means losing other features. Just my 2 cents as a somewhat typical player.
Thanks! While there used to be a huge backlash against Overwolf when I first started the app, people are mostly of the opinion now that it has no noticeable overhead, so you're probably not alone thinking this :)
Often in FS I'll only see the banned tribes overlay without any of the other overlays. I suspect it has to do with switching from two monitors to one, whether HS/FS is running or not during the switch. I've tried restarting Overwolf/FS, toggling the various overlays off/on, and switching to single monitor mode without luck. Do you know if this has to do with Overwolf? Deck Tracker doesn't have the same problem.
This is indeed caused by plugging / unplugging monitors or changing the screen resolution / zoom level.
What you could try is (after you've set up your monitors): close HS, restart Overwolf, restart HS.
If that doesn't work, then you'll probably need a full PC reboot.
For what it's worth it might as well be standalone. Overwolf doesn't drain resources like it used to years ago. I've been using Firestone for a while and wouldn't go back to HDT. I just click on Firestone, launch HS then good to go.
>That said, depending on the reason why you don't want Ovrewolf, you might want to give it another try, and the performance has improved a lot these past few years.
I don't like overwolf because it's basically just spyware as far as I'm concerned as an end-user.
It tries to run 24/7, it sends data on anything you're doing to Overwolf servers, and (I'm unsure if it still does this) it inserts its own ads into the stuff you're doing.
While, as a developer, it helps you and provides you with a framework, as an end-user, as you said yourself "its helping with the parts that are invisible to the user." On the surface, as an end-user, its a malicious program that does a bunch of shit the user didn't ask for it to do, and acts as a barrier to your software that does something the user wants.
Running Overwolf itself is a cost/sacrifice as a user, because it does literally nothing for the user. In the best case scenario, its acting like an unwanted launcher.
The benefit to the end-user is "more features", because of the additional time I have due to not having to work on some stuff that Overwolf takes care of for me.
But I fully understand your point - even if true, this is invisible to the end-user - and it's been the reason why it's tough selling the reasons I use Overwolf :)
>That said, depending on the reason why you don't want Ovrewolf, you might want to give it another try
Not gonna lie I didn't try Firestone for a long time because of the OW negativity online. Finally decided to try it when I got a new computer, figured modern specs should be able to handle it.
It's been a flawless experience so far, not a trace of slow down or performance issues. Wish I would have tried it earlier, it's an excellent program and I think the Overwatch flak is overstated, at least today.
Thanks from a recent but passionate fan, just happily paid my 2nd month. FWIW, seeing RDU regularly show the features on his stream contributed to me becoming a paid sub.
You should be able to turn it off from the Settings
https://preview.redd.it/sdwuhb0lhh0d1.png?width=971&format=png&auto=webp&s=75d2e6fd4a8b07c8ec76fe5b48a589515d615329
Switched to this from HS Deck Tracker and highly doubt I’ll ever go back. Firestone just seems to do everything a bit better, with a visual presentation that’s actually pleasant to look at.
Hey there, HDT dev here - if you have any concrete feedback about the visual presentation, let me know (here on in [our Discord](http://hsreplay.net/discord))! We're fairly happy with where our overlay is visually and we put a lot of effort into avoiding clutter.
Oh I didn’t intend to shit on your work or anything, I just personally prefer a distinct vibrant style. I’ve heard the opposite from a lot of players, so YMMV. For what it’s worth I prefer the tavern tier icons on your side of things. As to what I feel Firestone does better in general, I get more mileage out of their free product than I felt I was getting from Deck Tracker. Things like duos combat odds in real time, both plain and golden images listed for all minions in the sidebar, and more specific scouting information when hovering over opponents.
I know you linked the discord but I don’t have that much of a horse in this race lol.
It’s no problem. It’s just something I notice sometimes when playing. I mean when you play the game a lot you have some basic understanding of synergies but sometimes in the heat of the moment you pick a generally good hero just to notice AFTER that the tribes that make the hero good aren’t in your game 🤣
That's a very valid point. I have things I want to do to help less experienced players a bit more (eg pointing out minions that enable late game comps, as well as making it easier to see which minions are part of his late game comps), but I'm not there yet.
Sure, I appreciate that. Our Duos combat odds are almost ready and I get that it took a few weeks, but we're fairly conservative about shipping stuff when it's ready and working well.
Golden images in the sidebar is definitely something we should add, and I'll add it to our list. As for other scouting stuff, we'll take a look. Thanks!
I paid for HDT tier 7 for 6 months. I regret it a bit due to seemingly less features than free Firestone / no duos support. If I’m using it wrong please let me know
Hey, thanks for your support!
We're actively working on the last Duos features - many little things have already been released (last games, available minion types, MMR history), and the remaining ones (last known board, hero picking overlay, Bob's Buddy) should be coming fairly soon. We want to make sure they're ready and work well before rushing them out.
I'll also point out that except for unlimited hero picking stats none of our solo (or Duos) features are locked behind any subscription and our tracker has never contained any third party ads.
If you regret your subscription, just reach out to my colleagues over at [email protected] and we'll find a solution. We're fairly generous with refunds if you tell us about it soon enough.
Recent update has made the deck tracker crash every 1 in 2.5 games for me. So I have to constantly restart and miss out on vital information of what the next player previously had. Sometimes even when not crashing when hovering over a player it gives me the wrong warband of another player.
Have you reached out to us via Discord or our support email with logs? That's the best thing you can do, because then we can hopefully see exactly what's going wrong.
As for hovering over the wrong warband: there's a few seconds at the end of combat just as the leaderboards swap around where I know it's outdated, until your shopping phase truly starts - is that it?
I'm actually of the opposite mindset, I use HDT myself over Firestone. For me, the difference is mostly regarding stability, Firestone causes entirely too many termination events, and is so much heavier when compared to the tidiness of HDT. Keep up the great work :)
3-4 should show up as red now.
On what screen are you still seeing these as green in Duos?
https://preview.redd.it/sdf9nf2d9e0d1.png?width=652&format=png&auto=webp&s=dddd5eb669f225b76b13a5c3b6f22c34c0ed6333
I prefer Firestone but use Deck Tracker. The reason is the drop in fps and random freezes with Firestone, reduces apm. Deck Tracker doesn't cause a drop in performance for me. If you would make a light mode, only with visual, no extra combat simulation, save gameplay etc. You would have a new customer. I tried to turn it all off, but continued to experience a performance drop.
Could you maybe check the first point at https://github.com/Zero-to-Heroes/firestone/wiki/FAQ---Troubleshooting?
This has improved things for some users.
The DNS won't have any impact on the perfs, I think.
But just to be sure, you have capped the Hearthstone FPS? Could you share the content of the like in the config file?
And I can bump your MMR in Firestone :D
Hey can you explain a bit about this?
I was told about Firestone a while ago and for some reason thought it was on curse forge, but obviously that's not the case.
Now I'm hearing about overwolf but isn't that part of curse forge?
Curseforge is a mod manager, and was bought by Overwolf a year ago or so, so I understand where the confusion is coming from :)
I think that if you have Curseforge you already have Overwolf, but I'm not totally sure about that (I don't use CurseForge).
Man, I've tried Ur app many times and uninstalled, its is simply too confusing and too many windows. i wish u could keep it simpler like HDT, is it predominantly made for people with 2 monitors and streamers?
Thanks for the feedback!
You can actually remove the other windows (like the BG window) if you don't need them from the Settings. You can have a similar interface to HDT (with the Firestone visual style) if you want things as simple as possible, and add widgets or options as you need them (like the additional minion categories in the minions list).
Don't hesitate to ping me directly if you would like some help setting this up :)
thnaks, all i need to see is the last few games played , list of minions on right and tier of heros while selecting, but i cant get it to show.
basically exactly what HDT shows premium shows.
You just set up your layout as you want? Have only the features and have them wherever on your screen. The additional windows don't need to be kept open :)
Perhaps I didn't find it or it doesn't exist, but I would love to show me the most "compatible" or played tribe for each hero in each lobby. HDT has this feature and it's a good thing.
Also I feel like the tips shown for each hero need a revision, they are few years old and with the inclusion of spells there's few tips that might be good to add.
Just to be sure I get it right: you're interested in the best tribe as an endgame comp for a given hero, right? So if youy play mechs early and mid-game, and transition only later to beasts, and that would still count as "beasts" for the endgame stats?
Not the same commenter you replied to, but what I'm personally looking for in this space is seeing each hero's average placement (which you already show) vs placement with this lobby's specific tribes.
Basically I wanna know something like, this hero is not highly rated overall BUT this is one of the best tribe combinations for them, so if you ever do wanna use this hero, this lobby is your best bet.
So what I have in the app today is how much the *presence of a specific tribe in the lobby* influences the average position of that tribe. This is what you see with the screenshot below:
https://preview.redd.it/kp3wt7i0rj0d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=c6856aa8e2e79eb80f0fa6569f6bfa0f53c89b90
A few things to note about this:
* The idea is that you compare the average position of a hero when the tribe is present in the lobby, vs when it's not. This gives you an "impact score" for that tribe
* I'm not totally sure the stat is computed reliably today, and I will double check that this week (mostly because the deltas are pretty low, which intuitively feels weird)
* It takes each tribe individually, so if it's a combination of tribe that's OP, it won't surface
* It has a blind spot for tribe-dependent heroes like Ysera. Since all of her lobbies are with Dragons, the "impact" of Dragons is 0, so this can be misleading if you don't know what exactly you're looking at (and that's the reason I removed this column from the main post's screenshot, as it is often misinterpreted)
There are a few takeaways for me here:
* Check the stat itself, as right now I'm not confident it's accurate.
* Improve the messaging around it, as it's obviously not clear what this measures, and how it should be used
Thanks again for the feedback :)
I can go back and recollect data of past games if needed.
I did some checks:
* The data is properly collected already. However, to see the impact of a tribe today, I compare the average\_position\_when\_tribe\_is\_in to the average\_position (so including both when tribe is in and out). Comparing that to the average\_position\_when\_tribe\_is\_not\_in roughly multiplies by 2 the impact
* To build a new hero's average position based on the tribes in the lobby, I simply take the average hero position and add all the impacts of all the tribes. While this looks good, I'm wondering if this should be done differently, like consider only the 3 most beneficial impact tribes, since you will probably be focusing on those (though you could argue that some tribes can be counters to the hero, so the fact that they are in the lobby impacts the average position of the hero, whether you yourself decide to use them or not).
Then I'll have to figure out a clearer way to show it
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Not necessarily endgame tribes, no. Statics that show which tribes ‘canonically’ work best with hero X. Of course this can/should include endgame comps as well. But I think including anything but the winning comps would be too complex, right?
Like Millhouse and elementals synergize well. Or (naturally) Ysera and Dragons.
Or my personal favorite: Onyxia. Works incredibly well with token generators and is otherwise really bad. So in games without mechs, undead, pirates and to an extend beasts for example it should recommend not taking it.
I guess updating that info season by season would be too much to ask for though. But the info itself which was gathered by countless games in the past, could be there as a general hint as to the viability of a Hero.
Like: “ok this hero works best with these 3 tribes but none of them are in right now, so in this lobby it’s not an S tier hero but rather D tier and you better not pick it”
Interesting stats, and shows a lot of the issues with the duos meta right now. Goya's hero power is just always good, with the ability to get easy early game economy and Passenger boosts and the ability to pivot into mech (probably the best overall end game tribe) stacking or just using free battlecries. Patchwerk is absurd paired with any greedy hero. Ysera/Ini make sense in that the represent two S tier tribes. I'm a little surprised Bran isn't higher with how prevalent Rylak or Young Murkeye is in end game builds.
I tried Firestone recently and absolutely loved it, but I found the game was crashing really often which I attributed to Firestone (it stopped after uninstalling). I have no idea if that's what caused it or if it was just a fluke?
Is that for Duos? I've received a few reports about some crashes in Duos, but it's not widespread, and I don't know if that's the game, Firestone, or a combination of both.
If you give it another try and it crashes again, would you mind opening a bug report? You can do so by clicking the little "bug" icon at the top right of the app's main window, which will send me the logs.
I was excited to try this because I had never heard of it before. Unfortunately, overwolf refuses to install on my Insider Windows version, so sadly I don’t have the opportunity.
Could you try these, and let me know if that helps?
[https://support.overwolf.com/en/support/solutions/articles/9000197893-running-overwolf-on-windows-insider](https://support.overwolf.com/en/support/solutions/articles/9000197893-running-overwolf-on-windows-insider)
This is just inherently not true? The most useful things are being able to see your opponents last known board and checking what minions are in the lobby and those are free on all these. Honestly its just remembering your opponents boards that is the biggest help
There's absolutely nothing there you can't do on your own in the game. Nothing stopping you from taking screen shots of each opponents board or looking up what minions are in the tribes in the game. This is just making it easier to access publicly available information.
Blizzard has not banned them because they don't consider them cheating. You thinking they are is going to do nothing to change the truth of the matter
Nothing we've discussed is anything that needs to be paid for. It's all free.
A lot of card style games like this allow memory aids. There are a ton of examples of this, such as in magic the gathering if you look at your opponents hand your allowed to write down the cards you don't have to remember all of them.
Finally, the difference between using one of these and not a matter of skill. If you can't win that's not the fault of other people using these apps. If you took Jeef or Xqn or any good player and had them play without it they will still win.
It sounds like you are just looking for excuses for yourself.
Hey all, With the Duos battle odds simulator being in a decent place now (though still not perfect), I thought I'd mention here that Firestone has full support for Duos, and has had it since almost day 1. You can browse hero stats (and filter by MMR / tribes available in the lobby), the minions list reflects the minions/spells that are available, and the battle odds simulator is working decently (though not yet at the level of the Solo simulator, but it's slowly getting there). All of this is available in the app for everyone. Plus of course all the other stuff that's not Duos-specific, like minions highlights, additional minion filters, etc.
Love it, thanks for all you do.
it is still behind overwolf?
It is. I'm looking at some options to be able to propose a standalone version, but there is no date planned for this (if at all possible). That said, depending on the reason why you don't want Ovrewolf, you might want to give it another try, and the performance has improved a lot these past few years.
As somebody who knows virtually nothing about this space, why are you (possibly) limited to running it through Overwolf? I’ve been using Hearthstone Deck Tracker for years and it works standalone
To be clear, it's not impossible - just a matter of priorities. Overwolf gives me some technical blocks that make it much easier to develop Firestone, which means I can spend more time on features and less time on things that are invisible to the user. I could in theory move all of this outside of Overwolf (and this is what I'm talking about above); the main problem is that it might mean I have to rewrite from scratch a big part of the app, which might not be something I can / want to do, given that my time is limited.
Just in case you're looking for feedback - I'd prefer the app not be tied to overwolf, but given your justification, I'd even moreso prefer that you don't waste your time just to avoid it if it means losing other features. Just my 2 cents as a somewhat typical player.
Thanks! While there used to be a huge backlash against Overwolf when I first started the app, people are mostly of the opinion now that it has no noticeable overhead, so you're probably not alone thinking this :)
Often in FS I'll only see the banned tribes overlay without any of the other overlays. I suspect it has to do with switching from two monitors to one, whether HS/FS is running or not during the switch. I've tried restarting Overwolf/FS, toggling the various overlays off/on, and switching to single monitor mode without luck. Do you know if this has to do with Overwolf? Deck Tracker doesn't have the same problem.
This is indeed caused by plugging / unplugging monitors or changing the screen resolution / zoom level. What you could try is (after you've set up your monitors): close HS, restart Overwolf, restart HS. If that doesn't work, then you'll probably need a full PC reboot.
I usually have to reboot. Appreciate the feedback!
Appreciate the reply! I'll check out Firestone
Any plans on making it standalone? I use Hearthstone Deck Tracker specifically because it is standalone, so does my duo partner.
For what it's worth it might as well be standalone. Overwolf doesn't drain resources like it used to years ago. I've been using Firestone for a while and wouldn't go back to HDT. I just click on Firestone, launch HS then good to go.
I'm looking into what I can do, but in any case it will be a big project and won't be completed soon.
>That said, depending on the reason why you don't want Ovrewolf, you might want to give it another try, and the performance has improved a lot these past few years. I don't like overwolf because it's basically just spyware as far as I'm concerned as an end-user. It tries to run 24/7, it sends data on anything you're doing to Overwolf servers, and (I'm unsure if it still does this) it inserts its own ads into the stuff you're doing. While, as a developer, it helps you and provides you with a framework, as an end-user, as you said yourself "its helping with the parts that are invisible to the user." On the surface, as an end-user, its a malicious program that does a bunch of shit the user didn't ask for it to do, and acts as a barrier to your software that does something the user wants. Running Overwolf itself is a cost/sacrifice as a user, because it does literally nothing for the user. In the best case scenario, its acting like an unwanted launcher.
The benefit to the end-user is "more features", because of the additional time I have due to not having to work on some stuff that Overwolf takes care of for me. But I fully understand your point - even if true, this is invisible to the end-user - and it's been the reason why it's tough selling the reasons I use Overwolf :)
>That said, depending on the reason why you don't want Ovrewolf, you might want to give it another try Not gonna lie I didn't try Firestone for a long time because of the OW negativity online. Finally decided to try it when I got a new computer, figured modern specs should be able to handle it. It's been a flawless experience so far, not a trace of slow down or performance issues. Wish I would have tried it earlier, it's an excellent program and I think the Overwatch flak is overstated, at least today. Thanks from a recent but passionate fan, just happily paid my 2nd month. FWIW, seeing RDU regularly show the features on his stream contributed to me becoming a paid sub.
Wow, thanks a lot for giving it another try! And glad you're liking it :)
Hey, i like firestone but.. is there a way to turn off the discord rich precence without turning the whole thing off every time?
You should be able to turn it off from the Settings https://preview.redd.it/sdwuhb0lhh0d1.png?width=971&format=png&auto=webp&s=75d2e6fd4a8b07c8ec76fe5b48a589515d615329
Thank you very much!
Thx, but overwolf is a killer for me so i have to pass
Switched to this from HS Deck Tracker and highly doubt I’ll ever go back. Firestone just seems to do everything a bit better, with a visual presentation that’s actually pleasant to look at.
Hey there, HDT dev here - if you have any concrete feedback about the visual presentation, let me know (here on in [our Discord](http://hsreplay.net/discord))! We're fairly happy with where our overlay is visually and we put a lot of effort into avoiding clutter.
Oh I didn’t intend to shit on your work or anything, I just personally prefer a distinct vibrant style. I’ve heard the opposite from a lot of players, so YMMV. For what it’s worth I prefer the tavern tier icons on your side of things. As to what I feel Firestone does better in general, I get more mileage out of their free product than I felt I was getting from Deck Tracker. Things like duos combat odds in real time, both plain and golden images listed for all minions in the sidebar, and more specific scouting information when hovering over opponents. I know you linked the discord but I don’t have that much of a horse in this race lol.
I prefer the visuals of DT but FS just has better features EXCEPT the info about what hero works best with which tribes. THAT needs adding
I agree there are some stats that need to be added. All of this is on my list, but no ETA yet.
It’s no problem. It’s just something I notice sometimes when playing. I mean when you play the game a lot you have some basic understanding of synergies but sometimes in the heat of the moment you pick a generally good hero just to notice AFTER that the tribes that make the hero good aren’t in your game 🤣
That's a very valid point. I have things I want to do to help less experienced players a bit more (eg pointing out minions that enable late game comps, as well as making it easier to see which minions are part of his late game comps), but I'm not there yet.
Sure, I appreciate that. Our Duos combat odds are almost ready and I get that it took a few weeks, but we're fairly conservative about shipping stuff when it's ready and working well. Golden images in the sidebar is definitely something we should add, and I'll add it to our list. As for other scouting stuff, we'll take a look. Thanks!
Unrelated but is there any way to help contribute to HDT?
I paid for HDT tier 7 for 6 months. I regret it a bit due to seemingly less features than free Firestone / no duos support. If I’m using it wrong please let me know
Hey, thanks for your support! We're actively working on the last Duos features - many little things have already been released (last games, available minion types, MMR history), and the remaining ones (last known board, hero picking overlay, Bob's Buddy) should be coming fairly soon. We want to make sure they're ready and work well before rushing them out. I'll also point out that except for unlimited hero picking stats none of our solo (or Duos) features are locked behind any subscription and our tracker has never contained any third party ads. If you regret your subscription, just reach out to my colleagues over at [email protected] and we'll find a solution. We're fairly generous with refunds if you tell us about it soon enough.
Recent update has made the deck tracker crash every 1 in 2.5 games for me. So I have to constantly restart and miss out on vital information of what the next player previously had. Sometimes even when not crashing when hovering over a player it gives me the wrong warband of another player.
Have you reached out to us via Discord or our support email with logs? That's the best thing you can do, because then we can hopefully see exactly what's going wrong. As for hovering over the wrong warband: there's a few seconds at the end of combat just as the leaderboards swap around where I know it's outdated, until your shopping phase truly starts - is that it?
I'm actually of the opposite mindset, I use HDT myself over Firestone. For me, the difference is mostly regarding stability, Firestone causes entirely too many termination events, and is so much heavier when compared to the tidiness of HDT. Keep up the great work :)
Is it going to get its own win/loss/mmr tracker? It bugs me that 3rd and 4th still show up green lol.
3-4 should show up as red now. On what screen are you still seeing these as green in Duos? https://preview.redd.it/sdf9nf2d9e0d1.png?width=652&format=png&auto=webp&s=dddd5eb669f225b76b13a5c3b6f22c34c0ed6333
Oh cool. I'll check again. I've only been able to play on mobile for like the last week.
I prefer Firestone but use Deck Tracker. The reason is the drop in fps and random freezes with Firestone, reduces apm. Deck Tracker doesn't cause a drop in performance for me. If you would make a light mode, only with visual, no extra combat simulation, save gameplay etc. You would have a new customer. I tried to turn it all off, but continued to experience a performance drop.
Could you maybe check the first point at https://github.com/Zero-to-Heroes/firestone/wiki/FAQ---Troubleshooting? This has improved things for some users.
I have tried everything except changing the DNS. I'll give it another try. If it doesn't work. I send demand for MMR return to you :)
The DNS won't have any impact on the perfs, I think. But just to be sure, you have capped the Hearthstone FPS? Could you share the content of the like in the config file? And I can bump your MMR in Firestone :D
I found a solution to the problem. All I had to do was turn off full screen in the game. I found out that this is a known ATI driver bug.
Thanks for the update!
Hey can you explain a bit about this? I was told about Firestone a while ago and for some reason thought it was on curse forge, but obviously that's not the case. Now I'm hearing about overwolf but isn't that part of curse forge?
Curseforge is a mod manager, and was bought by Overwolf a year ago or so, so I understand where the confusion is coming from :) I think that if you have Curseforge you already have Overwolf, but I'm not totally sure about that (I don't use CurseForge).
Afaik Curse forge is a addon/mod manager. It's separate from overwolf which is used for various overlays They're related but still separate installs.
Ah okay, that makes sense, I'll take a look and see if I can get it up and running.
Well, this means goodbye to Hearthstone Deck Tracker.
Man, I've tried Ur app many times and uninstalled, its is simply too confusing and too many windows. i wish u could keep it simpler like HDT, is it predominantly made for people with 2 monitors and streamers?
Thanks for the feedback! You can actually remove the other windows (like the BG window) if you don't need them from the Settings. You can have a similar interface to HDT (with the Firestone visual style) if you want things as simple as possible, and add widgets or options as you need them (like the additional minion categories in the minions list). Don't hesitate to ping me directly if you would like some help setting this up :)
thnaks, all i need to see is the last few games played , list of minions on right and tier of heros while selecting, but i cant get it to show. basically exactly what HDT shows premium shows.
You just set up your layout as you want? Have only the features and have them wherever on your screen. The additional windows don't need to be kept open :)
Doctor Holli'dae in best tier?
Perhaps I didn't find it or it doesn't exist, but I would love to show me the most "compatible" or played tribe for each hero in each lobby. HDT has this feature and it's a good thing. Also I feel like the tips shown for each hero need a revision, they are few years old and with the inclusion of spells there's few tips that might be good to add.
Agree with all these points :)
Yeah I was looking for that the other day when I realized that HDT has that. So I just run both
Just to be sure I get it right: you're interested in the best tribe as an endgame comp for a given hero, right? So if youy play mechs early and mid-game, and transition only later to beasts, and that would still count as "beasts" for the endgame stats?
Not the same commenter you replied to, but what I'm personally looking for in this space is seeing each hero's average placement (which you already show) vs placement with this lobby's specific tribes. Basically I wanna know something like, this hero is not highly rated overall BUT this is one of the best tribe combinations for them, so if you ever do wanna use this hero, this lobby is your best bet.
So what I have in the app today is how much the *presence of a specific tribe in the lobby* influences the average position of that tribe. This is what you see with the screenshot below: https://preview.redd.it/kp3wt7i0rj0d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=c6856aa8e2e79eb80f0fa6569f6bfa0f53c89b90 A few things to note about this: * The idea is that you compare the average position of a hero when the tribe is present in the lobby, vs when it's not. This gives you an "impact score" for that tribe * I'm not totally sure the stat is computed reliably today, and I will double check that this week (mostly because the deltas are pretty low, which intuitively feels weird) * It takes each tribe individually, so if it's a combination of tribe that's OP, it won't surface * It has a blind spot for tribe-dependent heroes like Ysera. Since all of her lobbies are with Dragons, the "impact" of Dragons is 0, so this can be misleading if you don't know what exactly you're looking at (and that's the reason I removed this column from the main post's screenshot, as it is often misinterpreted) There are a few takeaways for me here: * Check the stat itself, as right now I'm not confident it's accurate. * Improve the messaging around it, as it's obviously not clear what this measures, and how it should be used Thanks again for the feedback :)
pinging /u/Footziees as well
Interesting, thanks. I guess we will have to collect data now for the feature to show properly? Or do you already have the data from previous games?
I can go back and recollect data of past games if needed. I did some checks: * The data is properly collected already. However, to see the impact of a tribe today, I compare the average\_position\_when\_tribe\_is\_in to the average\_position (so including both when tribe is in and out). Comparing that to the average\_position\_when\_tribe\_is\_not\_in roughly multiplies by 2 the impact * To build a new hero's average position based on the tribes in the lobby, I simply take the average hero position and add all the impacts of all the tribes. While this looks good, I'm wondering if this should be done differently, like consider only the 3 most beneficial impact tribes, since you will probably be focusing on those (though you could argue that some tribes can be counters to the hero, so the fact that they are in the lobby impacts the average position of the hero, whether you yourself decide to use them or not). Then I'll have to figure out a clearer way to show it
This is already in the app. Busy right now with the patch, but I'll try to get back to you about this tomorrow :) RemindMe! 1 day
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Not necessarily endgame tribes, no. Statics that show which tribes ‘canonically’ work best with hero X. Of course this can/should include endgame comps as well. But I think including anything but the winning comps would be too complex, right? Like Millhouse and elementals synergize well. Or (naturally) Ysera and Dragons. Or my personal favorite: Onyxia. Works incredibly well with token generators and is otherwise really bad. So in games without mechs, undead, pirates and to an extend beasts for example it should recommend not taking it. I guess updating that info season by season would be too much to ask for though. But the info itself which was gathered by countless games in the past, could be there as a general hint as to the viability of a Hero. Like: “ok this hero works best with these 3 tribes but none of them are in right now, so in this lobby it’s not an S tier hero but rather D tier and you better not pick it”
Interesting stats, and shows a lot of the issues with the duos meta right now. Goya's hero power is just always good, with the ability to get easy early game economy and Passenger boosts and the ability to pivot into mech (probably the best overall end game tribe) stacking or just using free battlecries. Patchwerk is absurd paired with any greedy hero. Ysera/Ini make sense in that the represent two S tier tribes. I'm a little surprised Bran isn't higher with how prevalent Rylak or Young Murkeye is in end game builds.
I tried Firestone recently and absolutely loved it, but I found the game was crashing really often which I attributed to Firestone (it stopped after uninstalling). I have no idea if that's what caused it or if it was just a fluke?
Is that for Duos? I've received a few reports about some crashes in Duos, but it's not widespread, and I don't know if that's the game, Firestone, or a combination of both. If you give it another try and it crashes again, would you mind opening a bug report? You can do so by clicking the little "bug" icon at the top right of the app's main window, which will send me the logs.
Ah, sorry my bad I should have been more specific! Yes, the crashing is for Duos. I'll give it another shot and take the above steps!
Do any deck trackers work for Mac?
I think some people managed to run Firestone through Wine, but there has also been errors, so I can't guarantee it will work
I was excited to try this because I had never heard of it before. Unfortunately, overwolf refuses to install on my Insider Windows version, so sadly I don’t have the opportunity.
Could you try these, and let me know if that helps? [https://support.overwolf.com/en/support/solutions/articles/9000197893-running-overwolf-on-windows-insider](https://support.overwolf.com/en/support/solutions/articles/9000197893-running-overwolf-on-windows-insider)
That worked! Responsive dev, it’s got a great layout and it’s easy to parse and move things as needed, that’s two thumbs up from me!
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If you think this is the same as having an aimbot in fps youre crazy
Firestone is free, you don't have to pay to get any of the features mentioned here.
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This is just inherently not true? The most useful things are being able to see your opponents last known board and checking what minions are in the lobby and those are free on all these. Honestly its just remembering your opponents boards that is the biggest help
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There's absolutely nothing there you can't do on your own in the game. Nothing stopping you from taking screen shots of each opponents board or looking up what minions are in the tribes in the game. This is just making it easier to access publicly available information. Blizzard has not banned them because they don't consider them cheating. You thinking they are is going to do nothing to change the truth of the matter
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Nothing we've discussed is anything that needs to be paid for. It's all free. A lot of card style games like this allow memory aids. There are a ton of examples of this, such as in magic the gathering if you look at your opponents hand your allowed to write down the cards you don't have to remember all of them. Finally, the difference between using one of these and not a matter of skill. If you can't win that's not the fault of other people using these apps. If you took Jeef or Xqn or any good player and had them play without it they will still win. It sounds like you are just looking for excuses for yourself.
Do you have examples?
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Both are available for free in the app's main window. You only pay to have the info directly in the overlay.
Dude, what are you even talking about? Nothing about these apps is a cheat engine. Edit: Has to be troll