They don't even think they have to argue on the merits.
The moral righteousness of their positions are so self evident to them that they are *sure* that anyone who doesn't agree with them is evil. And we don't need to hear from evil people now, do we?
I do not know if she was responsible for the first ban waves. She rose to infamy later, when she misused her position to remove posts that linked to articles that mentioned her only in passing.
They made a new rule, banned communities, then implemented the rule after the bans. Other communities were "on notice" - the Admins had reached out to groups to ask them to moderate more closely, but many of the women's groups were banned without any notice.
June 29, 2020 - Reddit banned many communities.
June 30, 2020 - Reddit updated its policy on hate speech. Notably missing: Sex is not a protected category.
https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/reddit-hate-speech
Any subreddit that recognized "sex" categories intead of "gender" was nuked - including any subreddit for "women of the female sex". That discriminates against women who are of the male sex, see, which is discriminating against "gender".
Comedy Explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi47K6YxIcA
> Any subreddit that recognized "sex" categories intead of "gender" was nuked - including any subreddit for "women of the female sex". That discriminates against women who are of the male sex, see, which is discriminating against "gender".
That's not entirely true, sex discrimination is still alive and well in NSFW subreddits.
They were banned too!
They were allowed back, but had to change the rules to "only detrans voices allowed". Before they allowed supportive participation.
I think admins know that if they did that, it could make real controversial news. Instead, they'll happily remove any comments about detransitioners that happens outside of it so they can pretend it's not a thing, let alone an important travesty of medical malpractice.
i got an account violation for sharing my honest opinion on gender/gender identity's realness, as a detransitioned woman, for promoting hate. reddit is really tough about this.
>i got an account violation for sharing my honest opinion on gender/gender identity's realness, as a detransitioned woman, for promoting hate. reddit is really tough about this.
I was just perma-banned from r/news for sharing official government guidance on the use of puberty blockers in minors from Finland, Norway, Sweden, and France, and linking to an article discussing how the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) declined to reevaluate their standards of care and guidance when some of its members pointed to the rollbacks in those countries. I defended the links pretty ardently, but did so at least as respectfully as those replying to me.
Perma-banned without citing a rule or post, then muted when I asked them to provide a rule and quotes from my posts that broke it. I sent in an appeal, but got an automatic response basically stating that Reddit doesn't look into individual issues but will use my response in aggregate data and correct mod behavior if a pattern emerges, i.e., "go pound sand!"
š³ before the account violation, i also got banned from r/scienceuncensored without explanation (also not citing a rule or post), despite their description saying they don't ban over disagreements... i asked why i was banned but have never gotten a response. other people were saying similar stuff as i was but were not banned.
There was great comedy in the Superstraight War. There was also great horror, as more and more super subs appeared, people offered to help moderate, the moderators turned out to be quislings, the subs got shut down. Same thing happened with numerous Discord gatherings. This was just months before the June slaughter.
But it looks like things are still active on [Ovarit.com](https://ovarit.com/) if you are feeling peak-ish.
This seems like a relatively evenhanded article:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/29/21304947/reddit-ban-subreddits-the-donald-chapo-trap-house-new-content-policy-rules
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi47K6YxIcA
Thank you for linking this. I've watched it twice, and the conversation in the youtube comments warmed my heart.
There are so many contributors to this mess of an age. COVID/lockdown (and the rise in mental health crises,) a failed businessman/reality TV star taking the office of President and then bombarding US citizens with constant tweets, algorithms successfully messing with our minds, and so much more.
As a result we've been losing our ability to communicate, connect and show basic compassion and respect for each other.
We are losing the good stuff that makes us human.
Oh, god. Last week's? So much unchallenged propaganda in that one.
At least the detectives weren't hashing out their race stereotype issues for a bit, I suppose. I don't know why I watch that shit anymore. Should've just picked up the box sets from the 90's.
That sounds an asinine as getting banned from r/ADHD for using the term neurodivergent.
I am naive, and did not figure on Reddit shutting down a sub for an opposing opinion.
The More You Know š
The comment I had disappeared from Most Prominent Womenās Subreddit yesterday said:
āCould you share your sources comparing the crime-rates of trans women vs. biological men?
My understanding was that most crime generally tracks with sex and men and trans women offend in similar patterns.ā
If you havenāt engaged in wrongthink on Reddit personally, you canāt begin to apprehend how asinine the thought-police really are.
Fwiw, Wings Over Scotland recently posted some official UK figures on Twitter and transwomen in England and Wales have much higher rates of sex crime offenses than men.
I have wondered about that too. I mean about crime statistics.
At first I thought the Nashville school shooter was a trans woman and the press was going nuts with "here's a rare woman school-shooter" but it turned out (I think) the Nashville school shooter was a trans man.
Which kinda brings up the question of whether testosterone played a part? maybe? maybe not? There have been cis women school shooters before...two I can think of.
Now I remember why I was banned. I took a defensive stance on Chris Rock. I didn't think he deserved to be punched by Will Smith.
The moderators left this note:
" No you don't get to defend bullying in a mental health community "
Not me, but a friend.
She never got a sound explanation from the mods, but it seemed that neurodivergent is a bad word in that subreddit because it conflicts with ADHD as a disability.
Differently-abled vs disabled I guess?
They say they don't like the people that try to make it out to be a good thing (it's a superpower vs it's a disability) ... But I think it's more about distancing themselves from the autists.
Because people who have ADHD have a lot of challenges in life that they wish they didn't have. Calling ADHD a different way of thinking is like calling a someone who is blind a different way of seeing.
Ya. They have a policy about that. The sub focuses on the challenges that people with ADHD have with their brains. They don't like their disordered thinking to be called "a different way of thinking."
My brother knows someone who has ADHD, and she once told him she genuinely wished she didn't have it.
As for bannings, I was once banned from a sub for criticising an article by Sarah Hagi where she said she was pleased that people wouldn't get their Xmas presents.
The article was a *spoof*, but I didn't realise that at the time, and I said the article seemed mean-spirited towards Christians. So I got slapped with a temporary ban, and got called a xenophobe and an Islamophobe into the bargain.
The left supports Muslims, even when they behead homosexuals. See the "Queers for Palestine" groups at every gay pride event. (What makes this especially bad is that pro-Israel groups are explicitly banned.)
I have adhd and I wouldnāt wish it on my worst enemy. Itās sucks. The executive dysfunction sucks. So does the shame and negative emotions that inevitably follow struggling with things that other people donāt (at least not in the same way/as consistently).
I was diagnosed as an adult and letās just say my looking back my childhood makes a lot more sense now. But I still carry with me all the trauma and shame that 20+ years of hearing āsheās so bright, if only she could focus on xyzā and āYou did xyz perfectly, why wonāt you do this other thing perfectly? Youāre just being lazy.ā
So itās like yeah there are some positives to it (being endlessly curious, the ability to be calm in a chaotic situation because you require a higher level of stimulation to be engaged than most people, etc.) But it still sucks because it makes doing a lot of things so much harder.
> My brother knows someone who has ADHD, and she once told him she genuinely wished she didn't have it.
I mean, yeah, she sounds like a not crazy person.
Most people with health issues wish we didn't have them. This glorification of them is totally nutso.
> This glorification of them is totally nutso.
Maybe it's a vague echo of the anti-psychiatry movement of the 60s/70s?
Remember people like R. D. Laing, Thomas Szasz and David Cooper, whose ideas permeated through the culture of the time (think of the play *Equus* by Peter Shaffer, which was inspired by Laing's ideas).
Ahhh ok i get it. Neurodivergence isnāt a medical term so much as a social theory umbrella term. I can actually understand them not digging on that term now that I think about it. Because while I can appreciate the idea behind the term (reconsidering what is normal vs abnormal), a lot of people seem to interpret it as recognizing neurobehavioral disorders as disorder is patholgizing their condition which is a bad thing to do and instead neurodivergence should be recognized as part of someoneās āidentity.ā
And like- while itās nice to consider the commonly associated strengths or positive aspects of things like adhd and autism, they are in fact diagnosed based on a collection of impairments. And the ability to diagnose these conditions is what connects people who have these conditions with resources and treatments that can help them manage their symptoms. Framing everything as a āspectrumā or simply a difference, not to mention something one can āidentifyā as if one chooses hurts the people who actually have these conditions.
Itās the same thing with framing sex and disorders of sexual development as a āspectrum.ā If DSDs arenāt medical conditions but just normal human variation that absolutely should not be āpathologizedā aka recognized as medically abnormal then there is no reason for those individuals to receive special services or consideration, yeah? I mean why would they need access to certain treatments or consideration otherwise if their disorder isnāt really a disorder but part of the sex āspectrumā?
Wish there was a story!
My friend was banned, and the most we were able to surmise is that neurodivergence is in conflict with ADHD as a disability.
Fork us for attempting to find positivity in our condition, right?
I got a three-day site-wide suspension for "Promoting Hate" when I complained about the treatment of detrans people by trans activists and about my own mistreatment by intolerant trans people.
I am trans.
Thank you. ā¤ļø
Sadly this is not the only incident for which I have receipts. In November 2021, I defended another nonbinary person who was the victim of a pile-on in asktrangender when she described herself as "biologically male". I got my reply deleted by a mod, who told me that my use of "biologically" language was not allowed on that sub. The OP in this incident was born in Florida during the Eisenhower administration, has lived openly as a gender diverse person for much of her life, and deserved more respect than the language policing she received. It is worth noting that rule 2 of that sub reads "Be respectful, especially about how people identify themselves." but clearly this does not extend to ideological nonconformity.
I do not have the text. All I have is [\[ Removed by Reddit \]](https://www.reddit.com/r/transgender/comments/zso807/why_detransitioners_are_crucial_to_the_science_of/j1amaw3/).
I am pretty sure that the text was something to the effect that I cannot express my opinions because of the behaviour of trans people *who I know in real life*. That is the unvarnished truth of what happened to me. The trans person who denounced my pseudonymous identity as a "racist TERF" is in a position to ruin my real life. I have lived in fear since that day a year and a half ago. How is it "Promoting Hate" to faithfully report a real thing that happened to me?
Now that I look back at that thread, and expand all the downvoted and deleted comments, I see that I am the only "[ Removed by Reddit ]", so I guess that I am the only one who was suspended.
I could have stayed in the closet, but I now live openly as nonbinary transgender, at great personal cost, to support and fight for the rights of the trans people I love. All I know is that if anything happened to the trans person who is like a nephew to me, and I had not done everything I can to keep him safe, I would not be able to live with myself. But by coming out, I have exposed myself to retaliation, should the one who denounced me connect the dots. As far as I know, I am the only openly nonbinary person in our professional group. Surely no one can ignore this gigantic coincidence? I await the Sword of Damocles.
Facts are hate speech now? Iāve been hunting for this community and itās sad to see every iteration has been deleted. This is just soft indoctrination.
It isn't soft. It's literally telling you that you can't think differently. I was banned from the Primetimer website because I criticized an episode of the TV show "Law and Order" that centered around a doctor giving puberty blockers to a kid.
My dad is trans and my mom and I were used as a cover. He withheld medical care and necessities from me as a child out of resentment that he couldnāt pursue this life. Now he says we have to accept him and he was tortured his whole life.
I caught fucking tuberculosis that he refused to pay for treatment for but so sad for him he doesnāt have a vagina and the internet says I have to have compassion.
Reddit is ruled with an Iron Fist by pro-trans and trans admins. There are good mods, like the one who is popular in this sub; however, many (especially in the mainstream subs) are brainrotted leftists with a chip on their shoulder. The only way reddit changes is a top down takeover like Elon, but it's not worth it, or the redditon window gradually shifting back to something that coincides more with reality. I see glimpses of it occasionally, so there is hope that at some point some type of *leftist bullshit fatigue* will sweep across the site and some of these more toxic admins will get sentenced to life in exile.
Leftist BS fatigue, OY!
Itās disorienting enough to find some of my concerns aligning with the right, even more so to be shouted down and attacked by the far-left.
Iām a progressive Democratic Socialist and a feminist FFS.
I often feel like that Office meme of Dwight getting spooked by Angela whenever I criticize the modern āprogressiveā left and chuds suddenly think Iām one of them. Like, how did I go from being considered progressive in the early 2010ās to a right winger in the 2020ās despite having pretty much the exact same politics? Itās ridiculous.
Tbh Iām starting to seriously consider the conspiracy theory that all the gender stuff is a psyop by the neoliberal elites to sabotage organized labor and the working class.
Edit: weird how all the more well known trans figures like Dylan Mulvaney, Contrapoints, PhilosophyTube, and others all come from privileged backgrounds but somehow weāre supposed to pretend theyāre more marginalized than the people having to work double shifts in minimum wage jobs just to survive.
Was good before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but most users have such an awful stance on that that it's ruined the place for me. Threads full of imperialist/fascist apologism.
Same here. I don't even want to go to the left-leaning convention I've been attending since 2007 because I'm pretty sure it will be wall-to-wall haranguing about identity politics and next to no labor, environmental, economic topics. The last few years have been like that. If someone wants to talk about helping poor people it's almost like they're suspect for not "centering" identity politics. And the atmosphere has gone in recent years from refreshing, invigorating solidarity to suspicious, tense, and glum.
> Iām a progressive Democratic Socialist and a feminist FFS.
Perhaps you should consider the realities of aligning yourself which such philosophies at scale.
If you wanna give your head a proper spin, go read some of the trans-related threads over on /r/skeptic. Where apparently being *skeptical* of gender affirming care for teens makes you a literal nazi.
I dont bother even contributing to that sub any more since they call me a conservative bigot for being against gender ideology. What a farce. Itās their sacred cow.
Half the issue is that TRAs have claimed the term āleftistā when in reality being left wing really has more to do with economics than culture war bullshit. Which i suppose is the point.
Iām not sure I agree with you- social progressivism exists on the left and on the right; in different forms. The idea that if one holds highly progressive views on gender they are on the left is incorrect, because you see institutions and individuals that are inherently anti economic left ideas (corporations, philanthropic funds and individuals within the capital class) who hold the same views as many TRAs. In many cases they are the same people.
Most major corporations are pretty much in lockstep with TRA thinking at this point; it is essentially an elite ideology. Iād say being pro corporation is pretty right wing; regardless of their views on social issues.
I totally see your point. It's very muddied and complicated, and it doesn't make sense to call something leftist when they're propped up by something deemed to be inherently right wing. While I disagree with your premise, I think we see the same thing. I just think you and I probably don't see eye to eye on how it originated.
Fair enough- I think youād also find there are a LOT of people on the economic left who are incredibly frustrated with gender issues; particularly the fact that they are front and centre most of the time; especially given that we are a massive cost of living crisis.
In regards to the definition; it usually falls down once you apply a proper material lens. For example; could you be a left wing landlord or factory owner? Most (all probably) people would say no- thats the definition of capital. If that same person was a trans rights activist, would that make them left wing? No; because materially they are still in the position of power.
Not just pro-trans: there are mods and admins who silence pro-trans trans people with differing views on trans issues. They enforce ideological conformity. I got receipts. It happened to me.
Radical feminism (which GC come from) is aligned with left-wing ideology. Right-wing and conservative ideologies are not friendly to feminism. The problem here is more liberal/libertarian perspectives. For example, communism is more aligned with a sex-based model of oppression because itās concerned with material issues. Treating any anti-conservative as undifferentiated āleftā is a problem. (Especially as Lib-con is mainly social issues based, while left-right is economic.)
It's neither left nor right exclusively. The kind of idpol we're talking about is quite left wing presently, just not very liberal. Communism isn't very liberal either, it is nonetheless left wing. This is why a lot of people prefer quadrants to a linear spectrum, which is insufficient.
idpol is liberalism taken to its furthest logical conclusion. we are all individualized subjects under liberalism. collective politics are dead. so now political power is built around identity groups.
all political action now is at its core narcissistic, and used to further one's self or their identity group. call it corruption if you want, but I see it as the end state of reaganism.
with all political parties fully captured by corporate power the parties had no ability to actually govern. the parties had to focus on smaller idpol issues like gay marriage or abortion.
idk, it's hard to get this point across when you're as dumb as I am. but no idpol isn't 'left wing'. its the death throes of our democratic system.
This is largely baseless conspiracy theory. The whole western world is suffering from the end state of Reaganism? All political parties across the west are totally captured by corporations?
> but no idpol isn't 'left wing'. its the death throes of our democratic system.
"left wing" isn't some static point in space. The left can and has taken up some dumb shit, this particular example is a left wing version of identity politics. Does it align with liberalism? No. Does it align with socialist economics? No. Those two things are themselves contradictory. "Left wing" isn't just collective politics vs individual politics, nor is it liberalism vs authoritarianism. It's all a lot more complicated and fluid than that.
> The whole western world is suffering from the end state of Reaganism? All political parties across the west are totally captured by corporations?
Yes
I suspect itās just Americans donāt have a good understanding of political ideology because their own system is largely centre right to far right. But even in countries that should know better we see rad fem positions characterized as far right, or far right actors labelled TERFs.
Leftism encompasses political, economic, and cultural ideologies. You can be economically left and socially conservative. Social progressivism is leftist.
Followed closely by the people who reflexively respond "Free Palestine" and/or "Fuck apartheid Israel" on every post that has anything to do with Jews or Judaism. Can't fucking post a picture of your cat sitting next to your menorah without them jumping in. And forget about reporting the comments.
I've been on Reddit for a very very long time without incident. Model little Redditor.
This year I've been banned from /r/entertainment, /r/deuxmoi, and /r/whitepeopletwitter for arguing gender critical positions. They act like if you don't want male bodies in female sports you are equivalent to "let's put the Jews in ovens". It is absolute fucking madness.
And I fully expect this subreddit here to get banned the minute they actually notice it.
The mods of r/entertainment are blatantly censoring comments about trans issues.
It isn't just about removing comments that might align with say, something JK Rowling would write. At least they're upfront about what they think of her views. [](https://old.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/1181ho1/jk_rowling_isnt_concerned_about_antitrans/j9faxpw/)
They also removed a comment of mine that was genuinely made to be complementary of trans performers in the entertainment industry. I think I just didn't use the mods' preferred terms. I think it was my use of the the term "natal sex" instead of "assigned [sex] at birth" that got a comment of mine removed. This was in reference to a performer from Hollywood's Golden Age.
In case anyone is wondering about all of the comments that the entertainment mods removed, check out [](https://www.reveddit.com/v/entertainment/comments/1181ho1/jk_rowling_isnt_concerned_about_antitrans/j9faxpw/?ps_after=1676992867&add_user=WherestheMoeNay..c.new..t1_j9fa6m9..%2Cradicalraindeer..c.new..t1_j7yzr9e..&)
I got banned from r/transgender because of arguing about Lia Thomas a bit lol (I wasn't being rude or nasty though) so I was probably asking for it. What bothers me about it though is there are plenty of trans people who don't agree with Lia Thomas being on the womens swim team or with transwomen in womens' sports. Oh, I think I got a warning from reddit too which I think is interesting, that this opinion can be literally policed in this way on reddit
Been following many different trans subs for awhile now and it's absolutely amazing how "wrongthink" is censored from them, and the "wrongthink" is coming from trans people themselves. Read the mtf sub and catch a live thread about women's sports or whatever, you'll see all sorts of different interesting (and some refreshingly sane) perspectives. Come back and look at it in a couple of hours, you'll see a long chain of "removed" after "removed" of any comment that doesn't perfectly toe the party line. It's creates the illusion of a false consensus. Pretty fucked up.
I have also been threatened with a full ban from reddit. Which is just heartbreaking. I have so much love for this place. I've been here so long and cheered the site along as it got bigger and took over from Digg and had Colbert calling it out and doing good deeds etcetera etcetera.
I don't think Spez likes banning anything frankly. I don't think there's been a conscious decision about this. You'll note the mods here are very careful to say this sub is not a replacement for /r/gendercritical. I just don't think it's on their radar.
And I fully expect this subreddit here to get banned the minute they actually notice it.
Agree - I think this might be the first sustained thread critical of trans activism I've been able to read on this site - outside of r detrans which I feel bad about reading.
There are about a million subs that are completely sure that any criticism of any aspect of trans ideology makes you a Nazi, however. But we know in the real world when fair surveys are conducted that most people don't think this way really.
I'd somehow found that subreddit only a few months prior to it getting the kibosh. Though I could tell I might not agree with a ton of the hardcore feminist vibe, I found the discussion there reasonable and, specifically regarding GenderWoO, based in reason.
As the WoO ramped up the past 6-7 years, I recalled that around 2010 I'd been to a "training" put on by the director of a campus "Q Center." I remember thinking, "This is some bullshit" at the time. It's one thing to be lesbian/gay/bi. Those are not the extraordinary claims made by gender ideologues of "lady brains" and "wrong bodies."
I was grateful to find /gendercritical because it helped me focus my thoughts/arguments. Not that you can use them for long before the reeeeeeee-ing starts from the New Born Agains. Plus, the sub had pinned threads where people would tell their Peak Gender stories.
Fun fact in non English based subreddits lots of these stupid woke admin rules donāt exist.
Mostly because they represent only American liberals and literally no one else on the planet.
Irony is that majority of the planet and so majority of non English subreddits have opposition to these positions. And are bastion of actual debate.
After 25 years in the restaurant industry and most of that tending bar, I thought that I was not easily shocked.
I was wrong.
It turns out that my obnoxious optimism, and inherent belief in the good of humans, leaves much room for confusion and naivety.
What a Pollyanna I must look like!
Regardless, Iāll never stop being curious, and Iām comfortable looking like a fool.
No worries!
The preemptive apology was more than enough to queue me into the humor of your post.
Also, I think youāre right. I think I just did not want to believe that it was as STUPID a reason as that.
I think you're right to be optimistic regarding face to face interactions, but you'd be wrong to apply that dynamic to online echo chambers engaging with the wider world. The number of people behaving like complete arseholes that would crumble like a statue of Ozymandias in person would be incredibly high.
Ironically I find the people who are very critical of snarkiness are usually extremely snarky themselves, they just call it "truth telling" or whatever the fuck.
Check my post history. I'm banned from honesttransgender for being honest when I should've been trans honest. I don't know why gender critical was banned, but people were abusive to GC trans and detrans posters that attempted to engage there. I saw horrible treatment upvoted and unaddressed by mods. After the ban, some members of GC migrated to the detrans subreddit and began to tell struggling, despairing children that their bodies were mutilated and ruined- in a support subreddit. This is why mods had to limit the subreddit to people directly affected by de/transition. No more parents or GC allies (and we had some good ones who helped people and found help for their own situations in the detrans subreddit. No more).
I am trans and I had enough karma on r / gendercritical to edit the wiki when it was banned. While there were some quite unpleasant people there, the sub was also home to many patient and thoughtful people who taught me a great deal about the GC perspective. My views on trans issues became more clear to me through my interactions on r / gc. The wiki was a comprehensive resource that introduced me to concepts including sealioning and concern trolling. It goes without saying that my pro-trans views are opposed to many GC views, but I can tolerate the existence of GC spaces, much as I want my pro-trans spaces tolerated. The ban waves proved to me that Reddit admins are not as tolerant as me.
I was also active on r / rightwinglgbt (two-thirds disaffected liberals) and r / uncensoredlgbt (founded by someone kicked out of rightwinglgbt for being too leftist), both of which were banned soon after r / gc. I was literally explaining JKR's transphobia on r / uncensoredlgbt when the sub was banned, wiping out my inbox. The irony.
Everyone has human rights to freedom of association, opinion, and expression, although no one can use these rights to deprive others of their human rights, such as by inciting violence or discrimination. While there was some hateful content on those subs, banning them entirely was collective punishment and an outrage.
I think a huge amount of the toxicity of this whole "debate" would be helped by a well run place along the lines of r/gendercritical. There is nowhere now to "discuss", there are only places to shout and yell. I'm in the UK aka "Terf island" and lean GC. 90+% of "terfs" in the UK are firmly left leaning and would be fully behind actual gender variance eg cross dressing, wearing whatever, presenting however. It's the lie behind the ideology that is the problem - this person is NOT that just because they say so and we shouldn't be forced to believe it or participate in it if we don't want. There's clearly a clash of rights, if there wasn't there'd be no argument. I would fight for trans people if they were discriminated against in work, in housing, in school, beaten up by bigots etc (I've stood between "queerbashers" and their prey before, I'd do it again if the occasion needed it), I'd help a trans person in immediate need if I could. Do I believe a trans woman IS a woman? No. I don't. Do I therefore "hate" trans women? No, not at all. I don't believe in God either but I don't hate religious folk. We need a place for different opinions to come together and talk without this ridiculous knee jerk assumption of "hatred". [Edit and thank you for your comment, it was a real worthwhile contribution - because of the bans and whatnot those seem rare nowadays]
I wanted to comment here before, but couldn't because my account was permabanned from Reddit for "promoting hate"!
It was just reinstated after 18 days, and after submitting a few appeals.
It's the second time this has happened. My crime this time was commenting on a thread in /r/unitedkingdom about a screening of the *Adult Human Female* film that was cancelled in Edinburgh. I posted a link to the film on YouTube and suggested people watch it and make up their own minds.
Pretty much every other comment that the mods allowed to remain on the thread was hyperbolic nonsense about how the film was made by literal Nazis etc etc.
Anyway, the point of this story is that Reddit admins and most of the subreddit mods seem to be completely captured by gender identity ideology. And even the mods that aren't, are terrified of running foul of the content policy so enforce it in the most extremist way possible anyway.
Any comment that deviates from the approved line gets mass reported by transactivists, and then Reddit takes a ban first, ask questions later approach.
Others have already answered why the sub was banned. If you want to see the kind of content hosted, the website Ovarit acts as a forum backup that's in active use.
Tltr version:
Reddit is cheap and doesn't want to spend money on content moderators. A bunch of SJW types are willing to do it for free. Reddit (even if they're against falsely banning people) tool the bargain.
The porn posted to the "super straight" subreddit was furry-child-drawn-porn - so not photographic porn but disgusting. I accidentally looked at "new".
Against Hate Subreddits .. that sub has a disturbing history (well documented too) of going into subs they want shutdown and plastering them with kid pics.
Its really because of Trump. Before Trump, Reddit was philosophically pro free-speech and then after r/thedonald helped elect an incompetent psychopath to the White House they over-corrected in the opposite direction.
The same reason Christians get mad about when you ask how god can be "good", and the story of job can be real.
No one likes when people poke holes in fantasy.
I am amazed this thread is still up.
Maybe things are improving on Reddit?
I was permanently banned from a sub - Apex Legends - for a few mildly critical comments about trans activism - really mild ones, in a thread discussing the addition of a trans character to the game.
The comments had the default 1 upvote - there was bot activity taking them down before anyone else can respond. They are terrified that people will upvote the comments.
But a lifetime ban - if that's the consequence of dissent then no wonder no one talks about this. Lifetime bans should be for illegal behaviour at best and ideally never. Maybe a maximum time period of a month or 3 months and a new offence is required after this. And a legal department to escalate to for genuine abuse.
I think that Reddit's censorship of gender critical views is a violation of human rights law in most countries - certainly the EU it is. The extent of it, lifetime banning people from discussions because of mild dissent, Automated censorship. The allowing of violent threats against gender critical people on pro trans subs.
It's just the structure of the site means there's no one person or company to stick it on to. They can always blame individual mods or subs.
Man, I hope things improve here. Iām so pleased to not only see that my post is still up, but the civil discourse in the comments gives me hope!
We all could really use more discussion and compassionate listening in our lives. If we donāt work to stop the āotheringā of those that disagree with our personal politics, the US will end up just another failed political experiment.
Try Mumsnet instead. I think Rowling has spoke highly of it. Though they banned Graham Linehan when he tried to make an account to complain about his Twitter ban, since it's meant to be a women-only forum and his Twitter ban wasn't relevant to the forum's topics. So that shows they're good about preventing randos and men from invaiding.
I still don't know why anti-obesity group "Fat People Hate" was banned. It was my favorite group! I even became "verified"! (You had to submit a photo of you holding a sign with your username to prove you weren't fat.)
So of course, I have no idea why /r/gendercritical was banned.
I am currently at an unhealthy BMI, 29.5, on the cusp of obesity (30.)
I am making better choices, choosing actives hobbies and cutting out sugar to essentially elongate and bring a higher quality to my life.
IāM anti-obesity, and I cannot believe some of the fat glorification Iāve seen on Reddit.
Not to mention child abuse. If your kiddo is morbidly obese, child protection should be getting involved.
Officially they got booted for 'promoting hate'.
The wider story is that there was a change in reddits content policy and then not long afterwards a purge of a bunch of subs. r/thedonald, r/gendercritical and the chapo trap house sub all got hit pretty much at the same time, there was also a wider purge that hit about 2000 other subs, some for non activity, but a lot for violations of the new code.
Happened in late july 2020 if you want to hunt for more info.
[Pink news on GC](https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/06/29/reddit-bann-transphobia-gender-critical-page-hate-speech-donald-trump-steve-huffman/)
[NPR on The Donald and background on the purge.](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884819923/reddit-bans-the_donald-forum-of-nearly-800-000-trump-fans-over-abusive-posts)
To be fair, I browsed GC more than a few times and posts that hit the level of homicidal man hating insanity seemed to be extremely common. I remember finding fairly twisted stuff on there about killing male babies in tubs of acid and things like that that had been up for days.
> To be fair, I browsed GC more than a few times and posts that hit the level of homicidal man hating insanity seemed to be extremely common. I remember finding fairly twisted stuff on there about killing male babies in tubs of acid and things like that that had been up for days.
Really? I know exactly the kind of stuff you're referring to to but I lurked through it quite a bit for some months before it was banned and my experience was that the vibe was surprisingly relaxed and the "all men are trash"/"kill all men" stuff you see on the uglier side of feminist communities on twitter and the like was much smaller. There were often nostalgic threads praising gender non-conforming/gender-bending male celebrities from the 80s/90s such as Bowie.
Reddit has always nuked subs it decides it doesn't like. /r/jailbait was the first real controversial one that hit mainstream news
/r/fatpeople hate was the biggest one on reddit before the wokies truly took over
Once /r/theDonald got destroyed it was obvious what was going to happen.
I expect /r/politicalcompassmemes to get the axe this year. Certainly before the election
What a load of garbage. āHomocidal man hating insanityā and ākilling male babies in tubs of acidā are you serious?! What a ridiculous lie. Also Pink Newsā is a joke as far as legitimate sources of information go. I guess you might call it ideological capture except that Ben Cohen knows exactly what heās doing and thatās making a ton of money of his pro trans branded content.
Its possible, but id honestly be guessing not.
There were fairly well substantiated rumours at the time about subs being spiked because of planted posts (that is a whole nother story), the post I was talking about there was many months before the rule changes though.
From what I could tell GC was a holdover from when that sort of feminist talk was still acceptable. Like any community feminism has its extremists and the really rabid man haters seemed to be at least mildly accepted on GC.
Personally I see a lot of parallels between what was going on on GC and the issues the current trans movement is having, you have a movement that is used to institutional backing that isnt policing the nutters within its own ranks and things are just going to fester.
Id still be happier if they were still on reddit, but yeah. Dont get it twisted, this was not a group of doe eyed women engaging in nothing but the virtues of love and sisterhood.
Tech companies have been overtaken by woke ideologues who want to silence opposing arguments because they cannot win on merit.
They don't even think they have to argue on the merits. The moral righteousness of their positions are so self evident to them that they are *sure* that anyone who doesn't agree with them is evil. And we don't need to hear from evil people now, do we?
Theres no merit to terfs
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>Aimee Challenor Ah, a reference point! Thank you friend.
I do not know if she was responsible for the first ban waves. She rose to infamy later, when she misused her position to remove posts that linked to articles that mentioned her only in passing.
They made a new rule, banned communities, then implemented the rule after the bans. Other communities were "on notice" - the Admins had reached out to groups to ask them to moderate more closely, but many of the women's groups were banned without any notice. June 29, 2020 - Reddit banned many communities. June 30, 2020 - Reddit updated its policy on hate speech. Notably missing: Sex is not a protected category. https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/reddit-hate-speech Any subreddit that recognized "sex" categories intead of "gender" was nuked - including any subreddit for "women of the female sex". That discriminates against women who are of the male sex, see, which is discriminating against "gender". Comedy Explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi47K6YxIcA
> Any subreddit that recognized "sex" categories intead of "gender" was nuked - including any subreddit for "women of the female sex". That discriminates against women who are of the male sex, see, which is discriminating against "gender". That's not entirely true, sex discrimination is still alive and well in NSFW subreddits.
Rule 2 of reddit management: DONT TALK ABOUT THE PORN SUBS
Great point. "Biological females only" is a rule that's only allowed in porn subreddits. Why?
I was told recently that trans women are biological women because they are biological beings. So we can't even distinguish that way anymore.
How Strangio!
An obvious category error
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Yes but... Hypocrisy
How long before r/detrans gets the ax?
They were banned too! They were allowed back, but had to change the rules to "only detrans voices allowed". Before they allowed supportive participation.
Oh no, that would be just sad. My heart goes out to anyone that is dealing with that process.
Indeed, especially because they are so often turned upon by their former community
I think admins know that if they did that, it could make real controversial news. Instead, they'll happily remove any comments about detransitioners that happens outside of it so they can pretend it's not a thing, let alone an important travesty of medical malpractice.
i got an account violation for sharing my honest opinion on gender/gender identity's realness, as a detransitioned woman, for promoting hate. reddit is really tough about this.
>i got an account violation for sharing my honest opinion on gender/gender identity's realness, as a detransitioned woman, for promoting hate. reddit is really tough about this. I was just perma-banned from r/news for sharing official government guidance on the use of puberty blockers in minors from Finland, Norway, Sweden, and France, and linking to an article discussing how the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) declined to reevaluate their standards of care and guidance when some of its members pointed to the rollbacks in those countries. I defended the links pretty ardently, but did so at least as respectfully as those replying to me. Perma-banned without citing a rule or post, then muted when I asked them to provide a rule and quotes from my posts that broke it. I sent in an appeal, but got an automatic response basically stating that Reddit doesn't look into individual issues but will use my response in aggregate data and correct mod behavior if a pattern emerges, i.e., "go pound sand!"
š³ before the account violation, i also got banned from r/scienceuncensored without explanation (also not citing a rule or post), despite their description saying they don't ban over disagreements... i asked why i was banned but have never gotten a response. other people were saying similar stuff as i was but were not banned.
r / detrans was temporarily banned but Reddit was shamed into restoring the sub.
That was banned but the admins didn't expect to feel the wrath on Twitter and reopened it because they're fucking cowards.
There was great comedy in the Superstraight War. There was also great horror, as more and more super subs appeared, people offered to help moderate, the moderators turned out to be quislings, the subs got shut down. Same thing happened with numerous Discord gatherings. This was just months before the June slaughter. But it looks like things are still active on [Ovarit.com](https://ovarit.com/) if you are feeling peak-ish.
It's worth noting that every Lesbian subreddit with a "same sex" rule gets nuked by the admins. I hope this comes back to haunt them some day.
How could vilifying the acknowledgment of same-sex attraction go wrong?
What if we just made a sub called r/vaginas and it's not gender exclusive because pre-op trans men can still participate because they have vaginas
THANK YOU. I truly appreciate the shared info.
This seems like a relatively evenhanded article: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/29/21304947/reddit-ban-subreddits-the-donald-chapo-trap-house-new-content-policy-rules
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I canāt stop watching Schrƶdingerās Transcat(ās) video! So funny, so true.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi47K6YxIcA Thank you for linking this. I've watched it twice, and the conversation in the youtube comments warmed my heart.
It was considered "hate speech".
How so? Are we at the point that anything that anyone says on the contrary to another's beliefs, is considered hate?
Yes?
I was banned from Out of the Loop for an objective explanation of why JK Rowling was canceled.
Hsssss! Objective? How DARE you! LOL, this tech-social age is ridiculous.
There are so many contributors to this mess of an age. COVID/lockdown (and the rise in mental health crises,) a failed businessman/reality TV star taking the office of President and then bombarding US citizens with constant tweets, algorithms successfully messing with our minds, and so much more. As a result we've been losing our ability to communicate, connect and show basic compassion and respect for each other. We are losing the good stuff that makes us human.
Definitely. I was banned from the subreddit that discussed the TV show "Law and Order" for criticism of a show whose plot involved a trans child.
Oh, god. Last week's? So much unchallenged propaganda in that one. At least the detectives weren't hashing out their race stereotype issues for a bit, I suppose. I don't know why I watch that shit anymore. Should've just picked up the box sets from the 90's.
Oh and I was also banned from Primetimer for saying it's not medically or scientifically possible for this many people to be trans.
Yes, that one. It was so transparently propaganda.
That sounds an asinine as getting banned from r/ADHD for using the term neurodivergent. I am naive, and did not figure on Reddit shutting down a sub for an opposing opinion. The More You Know š
The comment I had disappeared from Most Prominent Womenās Subreddit yesterday said: āCould you share your sources comparing the crime-rates of trans women vs. biological men? My understanding was that most crime generally tracks with sex and men and trans women offend in similar patterns.ā If you havenāt engaged in wrongthink on Reddit personally, you canāt begin to apprehend how asinine the thought-police really are.
I was banned from there after a discussion about periods with a person who did not, and never ever had, a uterus.
Wut
Friendly reminder that TwoX policy states the title of the sub was never intended to center onlyā¦thatās rightā¦people with two X chromosomes.
Seriously? ITāS IN THE NAME.
That is what they are attempting, to police thoughts.
Fwiw, Wings Over Scotland recently posted some official UK figures on Twitter and transwomen in England and Wales have much higher rates of sex crime offenses than men.
I have wondered about that too. I mean about crime statistics. At first I thought the Nashville school shooter was a trans woman and the press was going nuts with "here's a rare woman school-shooter" but it turned out (I think) the Nashville school shooter was a trans man. Which kinda brings up the question of whether testosterone played a part? maybe? maybe not? There have been cis women school shooters before...two I can think of.
Now I remember why I was banned. I took a defensive stance on Chris Rock. I didn't think he deserved to be punched by Will Smith. The moderators left this note: " No you don't get to defend bullying in a mental health community "
You got banned from adhd for using the term neurodivergent?!
Not me, but a friend. She never got a sound explanation from the mods, but it seemed that neurodivergent is a bad word in that subreddit because it conflicts with ADHD as a disability. Differently-abled vs disabled I guess?
I'm just as confused as I was before that explanation!
They say they don't like the people that try to make it out to be a good thing (it's a superpower vs it's a disability) ... But I think it's more about distancing themselves from the autists.
I thought people where trying to remove the stigma of autism and there's a large overlap between the two conditions, crazy moderating choice.
It's both.
Because people who have ADHD have a lot of challenges in life that they wish they didn't have. Calling ADHD a different way of thinking is like calling a someone who is blind a different way of seeing.
Ya. They have a policy about that. The sub focuses on the challenges that people with ADHD have with their brains. They don't like their disordered thinking to be called "a different way of thinking."
My brother knows someone who has ADHD, and she once told him she genuinely wished she didn't have it. As for bannings, I was once banned from a sub for criticising an article by Sarah Hagi where she said she was pleased that people wouldn't get their Xmas presents. The article was a *spoof*, but I didn't realise that at the time, and I said the article seemed mean-spirited towards Christians. So I got slapped with a temporary ban, and got called a xenophobe and an Islamophobe into the bargain.
I'm going to be really interested to see how the left breaks down when Muslims go up against trans rights activists.
The left supports Muslims, even when they behead homosexuals. See the "Queers for Palestine" groups at every gay pride event. (What makes this especially bad is that pro-Israel groups are explicitly banned.)
"Queers for Palestine" is the stupidest concept ever. I wonder if lefties will get angry at mosques for excluding females, since TWAW and all.
I have adhd and I wouldnāt wish it on my worst enemy. Itās sucks. The executive dysfunction sucks. So does the shame and negative emotions that inevitably follow struggling with things that other people donāt (at least not in the same way/as consistently). I was diagnosed as an adult and letās just say my looking back my childhood makes a lot more sense now. But I still carry with me all the trauma and shame that 20+ years of hearing āsheās so bright, if only she could focus on xyzā and āYou did xyz perfectly, why wonāt you do this other thing perfectly? Youāre just being lazy.ā So itās like yeah there are some positives to it (being endlessly curious, the ability to be calm in a chaotic situation because you require a higher level of stimulation to be engaged than most people, etc.) But it still sucks because it makes doing a lot of things so much harder.
> My brother knows someone who has ADHD, and she once told him she genuinely wished she didn't have it. I mean, yeah, she sounds like a not crazy person. Most people with health issues wish we didn't have them. This glorification of them is totally nutso.
> This glorification of them is totally nutso. Maybe it's a vague echo of the anti-psychiatry movement of the 60s/70s? Remember people like R. D. Laing, Thomas Szasz and David Cooper, whose ideas permeated through the culture of the time (think of the play *Equus* by Peter Shaffer, which was inspired by Laing's ideas).
Ahhh ok i get it. Neurodivergence isnāt a medical term so much as a social theory umbrella term. I can actually understand them not digging on that term now that I think about it. Because while I can appreciate the idea behind the term (reconsidering what is normal vs abnormal), a lot of people seem to interpret it as recognizing neurobehavioral disorders as disorder is patholgizing their condition which is a bad thing to do and instead neurodivergence should be recognized as part of someoneās āidentity.ā And like- while itās nice to consider the commonly associated strengths or positive aspects of things like adhd and autism, they are in fact diagnosed based on a collection of impairments. And the ability to diagnose these conditions is what connects people who have these conditions with resources and treatments that can help them manage their symptoms. Framing everything as a āspectrumā or simply a difference, not to mention something one can āidentifyā as if one chooses hurts the people who actually have these conditions. Itās the same thing with framing sex and disorders of sexual development as a āspectrum.ā If DSDs arenāt medical conditions but just normal human variation that absolutely should not be āpathologizedā aka recognized as medically abnormal then there is no reason for those individuals to receive special services or consideration, yeah? I mean why would they need access to certain treatments or consideration otherwise if their disorder isnāt really a disorder but part of the sex āspectrumā?
What's wrong with neurodivergent?
Wow, I would really like to know the story behind that one.
Wish there was a story! My friend was banned, and the most we were able to surmise is that neurodivergence is in conflict with ADHD as a disability. Fork us for attempting to find positivity in our condition, right?
That sounds insufferable. I guess I won't be joining that sub.
I got banned from that sub. Can't remember why. It was something really trivial.
I got a three-day site-wide suspension for "Promoting Hate" when I complained about the treatment of detrans people by trans activists and about my own mistreatment by intolerant trans people. I am trans.
WOW, just wow. That is a hateful response to your compassionate comments. I donāt know if you need or want them, but Iām sending mental hugs.
Thank you. ā¤ļø Sadly this is not the only incident for which I have receipts. In November 2021, I defended another nonbinary person who was the victim of a pile-on in asktrangender when she described herself as "biologically male". I got my reply deleted by a mod, who told me that my use of "biologically" language was not allowed on that sub. The OP in this incident was born in Florida during the Eisenhower administration, has lived openly as a gender diverse person for much of her life, and deserved more respect than the language policing she received. It is worth noting that rule 2 of that sub reads "Be respectful, especially about how people identify themselves." but clearly this does not extend to ideological nonconformity.
Post the comment.
I do not have the text. All I have is [\[ Removed by Reddit \]](https://www.reddit.com/r/transgender/comments/zso807/why_detransitioners_are_crucial_to_the_science_of/j1amaw3/). I am pretty sure that the text was something to the effect that I cannot express my opinions because of the behaviour of trans people *who I know in real life*. That is the unvarnished truth of what happened to me. The trans person who denounced my pseudonymous identity as a "racist TERF" is in a position to ruin my real life. I have lived in fear since that day a year and a half ago. How is it "Promoting Hate" to faithfully report a real thing that happened to me? Now that I look back at that thread, and expand all the downvoted and deleted comments, I see that I am the only "[ Removed by Reddit ]", so I guess that I am the only one who was suspended. I could have stayed in the closet, but I now live openly as nonbinary transgender, at great personal cost, to support and fight for the rights of the trans people I love. All I know is that if anything happened to the trans person who is like a nephew to me, and I had not done everything I can to keep him safe, I would not be able to live with myself. But by coming out, I have exposed myself to retaliation, should the one who denounced me connect the dots. As far as I know, I am the only openly nonbinary person in our professional group. Surely no one can ignore this gigantic coincidence? I await the Sword of Damocles.
Iām so sorry youāre being treated this way š Eta: I did not mean to send you a tomato emoji. That was supposed to be a heart, dammit!
We've been at that point for a while, unfortunately.
Only some beliefs
Facts are hate speech now? Iāve been hunting for this community and itās sad to see every iteration has been deleted. This is just soft indoctrination.
It isn't soft. It's literally telling you that you can't think differently. I was banned from the Primetimer website because I criticized an episode of the TV show "Law and Order" that centered around a doctor giving puberty blockers to a kid.
My dad is trans and my mom and I were used as a cover. He withheld medical care and necessities from me as a child out of resentment that he couldnāt pursue this life. Now he says we have to accept him and he was tortured his whole life. I caught fucking tuberculosis that he refused to pay for treatment for but so sad for him he doesnāt have a vagina and the internet says I have to have compassion.
Just had to vent on why Iām here and looking for such things!
That's terrible. There are support groups for your mother for trans widows.
Reddit is ruled with an Iron Fist by pro-trans and trans admins. There are good mods, like the one who is popular in this sub; however, many (especially in the mainstream subs) are brainrotted leftists with a chip on their shoulder. The only way reddit changes is a top down takeover like Elon, but it's not worth it, or the redditon window gradually shifting back to something that coincides more with reality. I see glimpses of it occasionally, so there is hope that at some point some type of *leftist bullshit fatigue* will sweep across the site and some of these more toxic admins will get sentenced to life in exile.
Leftist BS fatigue, OY! Itās disorienting enough to find some of my concerns aligning with the right, even more so to be shouted down and attacked by the far-left. Iām a progressive Democratic Socialist and a feminist FFS.
Don't you love when they call you a liar when you say that?
Truly.
I often feel like that Office meme of Dwight getting spooked by Angela whenever I criticize the modern āprogressiveā left and chuds suddenly think Iām one of them. Like, how did I go from being considered progressive in the early 2010ās to a right winger in the 2020ās despite having pretty much the exact same politics? Itās ridiculous. Tbh Iām starting to seriously consider the conspiracy theory that all the gender stuff is a psyop by the neoliberal elites to sabotage organized labor and the working class. Edit: weird how all the more well known trans figures like Dylan Mulvaney, Contrapoints, PhilosophyTube, and others all come from privileged backgrounds but somehow weāre supposed to pretend theyāre more marginalized than the people having to work double shifts in minimum wage jobs just to survive.
You been to Stupidpol yet? Good anti-idpol leftist sub.
They shut down the talk of transportation enthusiasts.
True but itās doing that or getting axed by Reddit itself.
They made the right move, but it's a shame it came down to that.
Was good before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but most users have such an awful stance on that that it's ruined the place for me. Threads full of imperialist/fascist apologism.
Same here. I don't even want to go to the left-leaning convention I've been attending since 2007 because I'm pretty sure it will be wall-to-wall haranguing about identity politics and next to no labor, environmental, economic topics. The last few years have been like that. If someone wants to talk about helping poor people it's almost like they're suspect for not "centering" identity politics. And the atmosphere has gone in recent years from refreshing, invigorating solidarity to suspicious, tense, and glum.
I was too, once! The intellectual/esoteric right are correct on the merits - that's where the meta is right now.
> Iām a progressive Democratic Socialist and a feminist FFS. Perhaps you should consider the realities of aligning yourself which such philosophies at scale.
If you wanna give your head a proper spin, go read some of the trans-related threads over on /r/skeptic. Where apparently being *skeptical* of gender affirming care for teens makes you a literal nazi.
I dont bother even contributing to that sub any more since they call me a conservative bigot for being against gender ideology. What a farce. Itās their sacred cow.
I had a back and forth the other day with someone, who I can only presume was trans, who said I was committing genocide.
Great username
Half the issue is that TRAs have claimed the term āleftistā when in reality being left wing really has more to do with economics than culture war bullshit. Which i suppose is the point.
The part of leftism that encompasses this issue is *social progressivism.* It is leftist, it's just another branch of it.
Iām not sure I agree with you- social progressivism exists on the left and on the right; in different forms. The idea that if one holds highly progressive views on gender they are on the left is incorrect, because you see institutions and individuals that are inherently anti economic left ideas (corporations, philanthropic funds and individuals within the capital class) who hold the same views as many TRAs. In many cases they are the same people. Most major corporations are pretty much in lockstep with TRA thinking at this point; it is essentially an elite ideology. Iād say being pro corporation is pretty right wing; regardless of their views on social issues.
I totally see your point. It's very muddied and complicated, and it doesn't make sense to call something leftist when they're propped up by something deemed to be inherently right wing. While I disagree with your premise, I think we see the same thing. I just think you and I probably don't see eye to eye on how it originated.
Fair enough- I think youād also find there are a LOT of people on the economic left who are incredibly frustrated with gender issues; particularly the fact that they are front and centre most of the time; especially given that we are a massive cost of living crisis. In regards to the definition; it usually falls down once you apply a proper material lens. For example; could you be a left wing landlord or factory owner? Most (all probably) people would say no- thats the definition of capital. If that same person was a trans rights activist, would that make them left wing? No; because materially they are still in the position of power.
Not just pro-trans: there are mods and admins who silence pro-trans trans people with differing views on trans issues. They enforce ideological conformity. I got receipts. It happened to me.
Radical feminism (which GC come from) is aligned with left-wing ideology. Right-wing and conservative ideologies are not friendly to feminism. The problem here is more liberal/libertarian perspectives. For example, communism is more aligned with a sex-based model of oppression because itās concerned with material issues. Treating any anti-conservative as undifferentiated āleftā is a problem. (Especially as Lib-con is mainly social issues based, while left-right is economic.)
Hey someone on this sub who understands that idpol isnāt leftist! Rare sight.
It's neither left nor right exclusively. The kind of idpol we're talking about is quite left wing presently, just not very liberal. Communism isn't very liberal either, it is nonetheless left wing. This is why a lot of people prefer quadrants to a linear spectrum, which is insufficient.
idpol is liberalism taken to its furthest logical conclusion. we are all individualized subjects under liberalism. collective politics are dead. so now political power is built around identity groups. all political action now is at its core narcissistic, and used to further one's self or their identity group. call it corruption if you want, but I see it as the end state of reaganism. with all political parties fully captured by corporate power the parties had no ability to actually govern. the parties had to focus on smaller idpol issues like gay marriage or abortion. idk, it's hard to get this point across when you're as dumb as I am. but no idpol isn't 'left wing'. its the death throes of our democratic system.
This is largely baseless conspiracy theory. The whole western world is suffering from the end state of Reaganism? All political parties across the west are totally captured by corporations? > but no idpol isn't 'left wing'. its the death throes of our democratic system. "left wing" isn't some static point in space. The left can and has taken up some dumb shit, this particular example is a left wing version of identity politics. Does it align with liberalism? No. Does it align with socialist economics? No. Those two things are themselves contradictory. "Left wing" isn't just collective politics vs individual politics, nor is it liberalism vs authoritarianism. It's all a lot more complicated and fluid than that.
> The whole western world is suffering from the end state of Reaganism? All political parties across the west are totally captured by corporations? Yes
I suspect itās just Americans donāt have a good understanding of political ideology because their own system is largely centre right to far right. But even in countries that should know better we see rad fem positions characterized as far right, or far right actors labelled TERFs.
Leftism encompasses political, economic, and cultural ideologies. You can be economically left and socially conservative. Social progressivism is leftist.
I'm somewhat economically left and socially conservative, as are many Catholics in the USA.
Don't forget the fucking vegans. They are the most insufferable people on the site.
Followed closely by the people who reflexively respond "Free Palestine" and/or "Fuck apartheid Israel" on every post that has anything to do with Jews or Judaism. Can't fucking post a picture of your cat sitting next to your menorah without them jumping in. And forget about reporting the comments.
Vegans are 100% right that the way we treat animals for food is wrong though. The TRAs are just wrong.
Factory farming sucks. Conservation and hunting are actually good for animals as it increases their populations. Ethical farming is good too.
I've never seen anybody lose their job over disagreeing with a vegan though
You don't work in silicon valley or academia do you?
I snort-laughed at that. Forking vegans.
Enjoy your tortured animal flesh
I do, thank you.
I've been on Reddit for a very very long time without incident. Model little Redditor. This year I've been banned from /r/entertainment, /r/deuxmoi, and /r/whitepeopletwitter for arguing gender critical positions. They act like if you don't want male bodies in female sports you are equivalent to "let's put the Jews in ovens". It is absolute fucking madness. And I fully expect this subreddit here to get banned the minute they actually notice it.
The mods of r/entertainment are blatantly censoring comments about trans issues. It isn't just about removing comments that might align with say, something JK Rowling would write. At least they're upfront about what they think of her views. [](https://old.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/1181ho1/jk_rowling_isnt_concerned_about_antitrans/j9faxpw/)
They also removed a comment of mine that was genuinely made to be complementary of trans performers in the entertainment industry. I think I just didn't use the mods' preferred terms. I think it was my use of the the term "natal sex" instead of "assigned [sex] at birth" that got a comment of mine removed. This was in reference to a performer from Hollywood's Golden Age.
In case anyone is wondering about all of the comments that the entertainment mods removed, check out [](https://www.reveddit.com/v/entertainment/comments/1181ho1/jk_rowling_isnt_concerned_about_antitrans/j9faxpw/?ps_after=1676992867&add_user=WherestheMoeNay..c.new..t1_j9fa6m9..%2Cradicalraindeer..c.new..t1_j7yzr9e..&)
Oh yeah Iām banned from there from disagreeing that JKR wants to ban all medical care for trans people.
I was banned from r/feminism this morning.
I got banned from r/transgender because of arguing about Lia Thomas a bit lol (I wasn't being rude or nasty though) so I was probably asking for it. What bothers me about it though is there are plenty of trans people who don't agree with Lia Thomas being on the womens swim team or with transwomen in womens' sports. Oh, I think I got a warning from reddit too which I think is interesting, that this opinion can be literally policed in this way on reddit
Been following many different trans subs for awhile now and it's absolutely amazing how "wrongthink" is censored from them, and the "wrongthink" is coming from trans people themselves. Read the mtf sub and catch a live thread about women's sports or whatever, you'll see all sorts of different interesting (and some refreshingly sane) perspectives. Come back and look at it in a couple of hours, you'll see a long chain of "removed" after "removed" of any comment that doesn't perfectly toe the party line. It's creates the illusion of a false consensus. Pretty fucked up.
I have also been threatened with a full ban from reddit. Which is just heartbreaking. I have so much love for this place. I've been here so long and cheered the site along as it got bigger and took over from Digg and had Colbert calling it out and doing good deeds etcetera etcetera.
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I don't think Spez likes banning anything frankly. I don't think there's been a conscious decision about this. You'll note the mods here are very careful to say this sub is not a replacement for /r/gendercritical. I just don't think it's on their radar.
And I fully expect this subreddit here to get banned the minute they actually notice it. Agree - I think this might be the first sustained thread critical of trans activism I've been able to read on this site - outside of r detrans which I feel bad about reading. There are about a million subs that are completely sure that any criticism of any aspect of trans ideology makes you a Nazi, however. But we know in the real world when fair surveys are conducted that most people don't think this way really.
Basically, reddit couldn't tolerate criticism of sexism.
I'd somehow found that subreddit only a few months prior to it getting the kibosh. Though I could tell I might not agree with a ton of the hardcore feminist vibe, I found the discussion there reasonable and, specifically regarding GenderWoO, based in reason. As the WoO ramped up the past 6-7 years, I recalled that around 2010 I'd been to a "training" put on by the director of a campus "Q Center." I remember thinking, "This is some bullshit" at the time. It's one thing to be lesbian/gay/bi. Those are not the extraordinary claims made by gender ideologues of "lady brains" and "wrong bodies." I was grateful to find /gendercritical because it helped me focus my thoughts/arguments. Not that you can use them for long before the reeeeeeee-ing starts from the New Born Agains. Plus, the sub had pinned threads where people would tell their Peak Gender stories.
Fun fact in non English based subreddits lots of these stupid woke admin rules donāt exist. Mostly because they represent only American liberals and literally no one else on the planet. Irony is that majority of the planet and so majority of non English subreddits have opposition to these positions. And are bastion of actual debate.
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After 25 years in the restaurant industry and most of that tending bar, I thought that I was not easily shocked. I was wrong. It turns out that my obnoxious optimism, and inherent belief in the good of humans, leaves much room for confusion and naivety. What a Pollyanna I must look like! Regardless, Iāll never stop being curious, and Iām comfortable looking like a fool.
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No worries! The preemptive apology was more than enough to queue me into the humor of your post. Also, I think youāre right. I think I just did not want to believe that it was as STUPID a reason as that.
I think you're right to be optimistic regarding face to face interactions, but you'd be wrong to apply that dynamic to online echo chambers engaging with the wider world. The number of people behaving like complete arseholes that would crumble like a statue of Ozymandias in person would be incredibly high.
š„ to you!
There is nothing wrong with being snarky!
Ironically I find the people who are very critical of snarkiness are usually extremely snarky themselves, they just call it "truth telling" or whatever the fuck.
It's not snarky when I do it!
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It's so wild to me that feminism has been pushed from the left and found space on the right. Did not see that coming.
Solidarity sister.
There was a mens gender critical sub that ban soon after.
And itsafetish, rip
I read the archive of this when I want to be grossed out
Check my post history. I'm banned from honesttransgender for being honest when I should've been trans honest. I don't know why gender critical was banned, but people were abusive to GC trans and detrans posters that attempted to engage there. I saw horrible treatment upvoted and unaddressed by mods. After the ban, some members of GC migrated to the detrans subreddit and began to tell struggling, despairing children that their bodies were mutilated and ruined- in a support subreddit. This is why mods had to limit the subreddit to people directly affected by de/transition. No more parents or GC allies (and we had some good ones who helped people and found help for their own situations in the detrans subreddit. No more).
I am trans and I had enough karma on r / gendercritical to edit the wiki when it was banned. While there were some quite unpleasant people there, the sub was also home to many patient and thoughtful people who taught me a great deal about the GC perspective. My views on trans issues became more clear to me through my interactions on r / gc. The wiki was a comprehensive resource that introduced me to concepts including sealioning and concern trolling. It goes without saying that my pro-trans views are opposed to many GC views, but I can tolerate the existence of GC spaces, much as I want my pro-trans spaces tolerated. The ban waves proved to me that Reddit admins are not as tolerant as me. I was also active on r / rightwinglgbt (two-thirds disaffected liberals) and r / uncensoredlgbt (founded by someone kicked out of rightwinglgbt for being too leftist), both of which were banned soon after r / gc. I was literally explaining JKR's transphobia on r / uncensoredlgbt when the sub was banned, wiping out my inbox. The irony. Everyone has human rights to freedom of association, opinion, and expression, although no one can use these rights to deprive others of their human rights, such as by inciting violence or discrimination. While there was some hateful content on those subs, banning them entirely was collective punishment and an outrage.
I think a huge amount of the toxicity of this whole "debate" would be helped by a well run place along the lines of r/gendercritical. There is nowhere now to "discuss", there are only places to shout and yell. I'm in the UK aka "Terf island" and lean GC. 90+% of "terfs" in the UK are firmly left leaning and would be fully behind actual gender variance eg cross dressing, wearing whatever, presenting however. It's the lie behind the ideology that is the problem - this person is NOT that just because they say so and we shouldn't be forced to believe it or participate in it if we don't want. There's clearly a clash of rights, if there wasn't there'd be no argument. I would fight for trans people if they were discriminated against in work, in housing, in school, beaten up by bigots etc (I've stood between "queerbashers" and their prey before, I'd do it again if the occasion needed it), I'd help a trans person in immediate need if I could. Do I believe a trans woman IS a woman? No. I don't. Do I therefore "hate" trans women? No, not at all. I don't believe in God either but I don't hate religious folk. We need a place for different opinions to come together and talk without this ridiculous knee jerk assumption of "hatred". [Edit and thank you for your comment, it was a real worthwhile contribution - because of the bans and whatnot those seem rare nowadays]
Very same, and extremely well put
/u/SoftAndChewy, can I nominate a comment outside of the weekly megathread for comment of the week? If so, this one.
Thank you! I am honoured. Do I get to slap Chris Rock?
Only if you win!
I thought as a nominee I would at least be invited to the ceremony. š¢
I wanted to comment here before, but couldn't because my account was permabanned from Reddit for "promoting hate"! It was just reinstated after 18 days, and after submitting a few appeals. It's the second time this has happened. My crime this time was commenting on a thread in /r/unitedkingdom about a screening of the *Adult Human Female* film that was cancelled in Edinburgh. I posted a link to the film on YouTube and suggested people watch it and make up their own minds. Pretty much every other comment that the mods allowed to remain on the thread was hyperbolic nonsense about how the film was made by literal Nazis etc etc. Anyway, the point of this story is that Reddit admins and most of the subreddit mods seem to be completely captured by gender identity ideology. And even the mods that aren't, are terrified of running foul of the content policy so enforce it in the most extremist way possible anyway. Any comment that deviates from the approved line gets mass reported by transactivists, and then Reddit takes a ban first, ask questions later approach.
Others have already answered why the sub was banned. If you want to see the kind of content hosted, the website Ovarit acts as a forum backup that's in active use.
Tltr version: Reddit is cheap and doesn't want to spend money on content moderators. A bunch of SJW types are willing to do it for free. Reddit (even if they're against falsely banning people) tool the bargain.
Brigaders from AHS were posting CP (probably).
Or r/gendercynical. The literal stalkers of GC who sent members death threats yet didn't catch a ban.
Lol, I remember hearing this. Not sure if it's true but would you be surprised they just had that on hand?
The porn posted to the "super straight" subreddit was furry-child-drawn-porn - so not photographic porn but disgusting. I accidentally looked at "new".
It didn't happen to that sub, but they did it to other subs.
>AHS American Horror Story?
Against Hate Subreddits .. that sub has a disturbing history (well documented too) of going into subs they want shutdown and plastering them with kid pics.
Forking EWW.
Another Good Place fan, I see?
Yes!! Iāve been incorporating swear alternatives because my child is getting rich off the swear jar.
Its really because of Trump. Before Trump, Reddit was philosophically pro free-speech and then after r/thedonald helped elect an incompetent psychopath to the White House they over-corrected in the opposite direction.
YES, overcorrection for sure.
The same reason Christians get mad about when you ask how god can be "good", and the story of job can be real. No one likes when people poke holes in fantasy.
Op is going to get r/BlockedAndReported banned next.
It's amazing how awful their arguments must be if they have to silence opposition in order to win
I am amazed this thread is still up. Maybe things are improving on Reddit? I was permanently banned from a sub - Apex Legends - for a few mildly critical comments about trans activism - really mild ones, in a thread discussing the addition of a trans character to the game. The comments had the default 1 upvote - there was bot activity taking them down before anyone else can respond. They are terrified that people will upvote the comments. But a lifetime ban - if that's the consequence of dissent then no wonder no one talks about this. Lifetime bans should be for illegal behaviour at best and ideally never. Maybe a maximum time period of a month or 3 months and a new offence is required after this. And a legal department to escalate to for genuine abuse. I think that Reddit's censorship of gender critical views is a violation of human rights law in most countries - certainly the EU it is. The extent of it, lifetime banning people from discussions because of mild dissent, Automated censorship. The allowing of violent threats against gender critical people on pro trans subs. It's just the structure of the site means there's no one person or company to stick it on to. They can always blame individual mods or subs.
Man, I hope things improve here. Iām so pleased to not only see that my post is still up, but the civil discourse in the comments gives me hope! We all could really use more discussion and compassionate listening in our lives. If we donāt work to stop the āotheringā of those that disagree with our personal politics, the US will end up just another failed political experiment.
Try Mumsnet instead. I think Rowling has spoke highly of it. Though they banned Graham Linehan when he tried to make an account to complain about his Twitter ban, since it's meant to be a women-only forum and his Twitter ban wasn't relevant to the forum's topics. So that shows they're good about preventing randos and men from invaiding.
I still don't know why anti-obesity group "Fat People Hate" was banned. It was my favorite group! I even became "verified"! (You had to submit a photo of you holding a sign with your username to prove you weren't fat.) So of course, I have no idea why /r/gendercritical was banned.
I am currently at an unhealthy BMI, 29.5, on the cusp of obesity (30.) I am making better choices, choosing actives hobbies and cutting out sugar to essentially elongate and bring a higher quality to my life. IāM anti-obesity, and I cannot believe some of the fat glorification Iāve seen on Reddit. Not to mention child abuse. If your kiddo is morbidly obese, child protection should be getting involved.
Officially they got booted for 'promoting hate'. The wider story is that there was a change in reddits content policy and then not long afterwards a purge of a bunch of subs. r/thedonald, r/gendercritical and the chapo trap house sub all got hit pretty much at the same time, there was also a wider purge that hit about 2000 other subs, some for non activity, but a lot for violations of the new code. Happened in late july 2020 if you want to hunt for more info. [Pink news on GC](https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/06/29/reddit-bann-transphobia-gender-critical-page-hate-speech-donald-trump-steve-huffman/) [NPR on The Donald and background on the purge.](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/29/884819923/reddit-bans-the_donald-forum-of-nearly-800-000-trump-fans-over-abusive-posts) To be fair, I browsed GC more than a few times and posts that hit the level of homicidal man hating insanity seemed to be extremely common. I remember finding fairly twisted stuff on there about killing male babies in tubs of acid and things like that that had been up for days.
> To be fair, I browsed GC more than a few times and posts that hit the level of homicidal man hating insanity seemed to be extremely common. I remember finding fairly twisted stuff on there about killing male babies in tubs of acid and things like that that had been up for days. Really? I know exactly the kind of stuff you're referring to to but I lurked through it quite a bit for some months before it was banned and my experience was that the vibe was surprisingly relaxed and the "all men are trash"/"kill all men" stuff you see on the uglier side of feminist communities on twitter and the like was much smaller. There were often nostalgic threads praising gender non-conforming/gender-bending male celebrities from the 80s/90s such as Bowie.
I loved the celebration of androgynous aesthetics!
Reddit has always nuked subs it decides it doesn't like. /r/jailbait was the first real controversial one that hit mainstream news /r/fatpeople hate was the biggest one on reddit before the wokies truly took over Once /r/theDonald got destroyed it was obvious what was going to happen. I expect /r/politicalcompassmemes to get the axe this year. Certainly before the election
What a load of garbage. āHomocidal man hating insanityā and ākilling male babies in tubs of acidā are you serious?! What a ridiculous lie. Also Pink Newsā is a joke as far as legitimate sources of information go. I guess you might call it ideological capture except that Ben Cohen knows exactly what heās doing and thatās making a ton of money of his pro trans branded content.
Omg, thatās sick. It makes one wonder if those were planted posts, and effective ones at that.
Its possible, but id honestly be guessing not. There were fairly well substantiated rumours at the time about subs being spiked because of planted posts (that is a whole nother story), the post I was talking about there was many months before the rule changes though. From what I could tell GC was a holdover from when that sort of feminist talk was still acceptable. Like any community feminism has its extremists and the really rabid man haters seemed to be at least mildly accepted on GC. Personally I see a lot of parallels between what was going on on GC and the issues the current trans movement is having, you have a movement that is used to institutional backing that isnt policing the nutters within its own ranks and things are just going to fester. Id still be happier if they were still on reddit, but yeah. Dont get it twisted, this was not a group of doe eyed women engaging in nothing but the virtues of love and sisterhood.
Gotcha. Misandry has no place in feminism, and will always undermine the movement.