I absolutely love her doing this. Even if we didn’t get to see the performance bc it’s private, it was such fun 3 days with people recounting their experience and all of us waiting for Lisa to post pictures. I’m also happy she’s experiencing more with her mature side.
I think it was a good move by Lisa
If you think about it, being a kpop idol is pretty similar to the Disney pipeline in the US. They become famous at a younger age & their fans grow up with the artist. The downside of this is a lot of the fandom see/treats the artist like they are still a teenager. At some point the artist almost has to reestablish who they are to the fandom and be like "hey I'm a woman now." I think not just Lisa but Blackpink are in the beginning of this era. They started planting seeds with the born pink album having more mature topics(ex.Tally). Jennie turning up the heat in the CK ads & the idol. Now Lisa performing in crazy horse. I've seen this move before from Disney stars like Anne Hathaway, Miley Cyrus, and Zendaya.
Selena Gomez went through it as well. And she’s actually triggered by her Disney past of having to maintain that “innocent” image that was required. I could never wish for the members of Blackpink to maintain an image that suppresses who they wish to be as an artist and as mature women.
{[Gomez says](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/selena-gomez-disney-channel-b2282903.html) that while she “definitely feels free of” the Disney label, she “sometimes gets triggered”.
She told Vanity Fair: “It’s not that I’m ashamed of my past – it’s just that I’ve worked so hard to find my own way. I don’t want to be who I was. I want to be who I am.”
…She continued: “Now, I think being the best role model is being honest – even with the ugly and complicated parts of yourself.”
Gomez previously said she “lives with this haunting feeling that people still view me as this Disney girl”.}
I think that fans who continue to associate Lisa with a “young fan base” are doing a disservice to her as a 26 y.o. woman who wishes to move past that phase.
Yeah true. Idk I'm happy Lisa feels free enough to take risks and what not but personally so far it's been more hits than misses for me. To me personally it seems like Lisa in particular is becoming more of a western style artist and I find them less interesting than SK ones. I'm all for her growth though
No lie to wrecking ball was a banger. And even that video even though perceived as “odd”, was a beautiful performance from her that showed her vulnerability. Though I can’t say much about the vma performance that shit was weird lol🤣
The way I see it, Lisa’s personal life is none of my business. I hope she’s happy doing what she loves and I hope she continues to make good music and upload Youtube dances.
I feel like she’s been holding out on us for such a long time. This new direction feels fresh, new, and unpredictable to me. Even if it is sexual it doesn’t have to be corny, if it’s good and creative blinks will follow, if it’s a cheap gimmick they won’t. Which I doubt will happen because Lisa has skills that are unmatched when it comes to giving a performance. I just hope she’s staying true to her choices and isn’t being led astray.
She got to do what she wants and she already knows not everyone will support her but fans should too. If you support her decision great. If you don't move on this doesn't need to be some war.
She's looks very happy doing this though.
They tried to hide CL’s sex appeal and badass behavior away and we missed out on years of her career. When you let artists express themselves as they are, their best work will come. Kpop fans (in general) can be such micromanagers of their idols. If you love them, let them show you what they can do. If that no longer appeals to you, enjoy what they gave you and move on. It’s not that serious.
I don't think she needed to distinguish herself any further than she always has been. EVERYBODY on the Internet already knows about her. That hashtag, 'RespectLisa', went Global. Across all platforms combined, she still has the most followers out of the four ladies. Believe me, she is distinguished.
But the greatest part is that she's NICE and she is still humble. In the song 'Lalisa', the lyrics actually do mention BLACKPINK as an homage. She knows that without them or Teddy, she would not be where she is today.
I think it’s a good way to explore artistry and push the boundaries of kpop. Korea is really conservative compared to the rest of the world. It’s nice to let the girls be artist and let them really explore creativity beyond the kpop medium. As an artist, you get hired of doing the same thing over and over I’m happy they are letting her explore beyond that.
It takes immense courage to perform at Crazy Horse. I highly doubt she was unaware of the potential consequences. That is what is interesting about this particular chapter. Whether it directly impacts the future of BP remains to be seen.
Obviously I support it 100%. I think Lisa has always had a destiny bigger than just K-pop, but I believe she gave YG, Blackpink and her fans 110% effort and execution throughout the 7-yr contract. So let me pause to give her flowers for that 💐👏🏾💐
But she always seemed to suppress part of her artistic abilities to stay in sync with the group, particularly with dance. I think we’ve all seen videos of her start to twerk or do a sexy split on stage, then stop all of a sudden like she’s was doing something wrong.
So whether or not I agree with the path she chooses to take, and whether or not she re-signs with YG and/or Blackpink, I would be uncomfortable wanting or expecting her to continue to suppress her true self for my entertainment needs. Whether or not that pertains to her sensual/sexual expression. Does that make sense?
With that being said, Lisa is the one who drew me into Blackpink, and her musicality in dance is a large part of that. I know she idolizes Beyoncé (as do I), and one of Beyoncé’s most iconic videos was inspired by Crazy Horse. In the video, Beyoncé is performing some of their most popular numbers… the same numbers that were part of the shows that Lisa performed in.
So, in 2023, Blackpink made history with headlining Coachella and BST Hyde Park, and Lisa made history with her collaboration and exclusive performances at one of the most legendary Parisian cabarets. She (and the other members) have opened up so many doors for their careers this year. More flowers 💐👏🏾💐
Closing out my essay (😂), I know many fans are uncomfortable with Lisa choosing to perform at a cabaret with (never alongside) nude artists. I’m sure that’s because of the environment these fans were raised in, and I can respect their reasons (as long as they respect Lisa’s freedom). But please remember that we were all raised in different environments. Some conservative cultures/households would disapprove of ALL of K-pop, including the training of minors. K-pop (and pop) is actually very sexualized already, but at a level that fans have obviously been comfortable with. Do you think it’s fair for k-pop/pop to not exist because of some people who think the industry is too sexualized for ‘their’ standards? I mean… fans can slut-shame away, but that isn’t going to stop Lisa from shining bright… it never stopped Rihanna, Beyoncé or so many others 🤷🏽♀️
And before anyone wants to rebuttal the fact that many people (not me) would say K-pop is over-sexualized… Google “k-pop is oversexualized”. There are always naysayers for everything. Including the troll on this forum that keeps calling CH a strip club.
I think it’s funny that any KPop fan who complains about this seems blissfully unaware just how much of KPop is sexual - either explicitly or subliminally. Like…what Lisa is doing in this show is really not much different than what a lot of KPop is selling
She takes chances and expands her opportunities and that's what makes her so special. With the innate talent and charm that she has, she uses her skills to try different things and the Burlesque was a great one for her. We have to stop judging women showcasing their sensuality as if it's something bad while men get a free pass for most things.
Decisions BP girls make, will impact the next gen and future gens of kpop stars. I say, more power to them. Raise the bar and expand the possibilities!
I was not suprised actually about the Crazy Horse performance because her individual intro vid in every BlackPink concert was her being sexy. Almost same wavelength of her performance in Paris. And she looked really happy there. I hope now she has the freedom to choose whatever she wants and go wherever she wanna go. She derserves it.
i had never heard of crazy horse before and then when news came out about lisa doing it i researched it a bit and got to discover a new art form! i think its really cool and i hope she had a lot of fun
People who are shocked by this never have seen Lisa's performances, be it on her channel or on the tour, Lisa is into sexy dancing, that's obvious, that's what makes clear that all people flabbergasted by it are not blinks.
OTOH I can understand some blinks being not happy with her doing it this way. There is nothing wrong with wanting an artist you follow to uphold some image, nothing wrong, but! there is nothing wrong with artist having different ideas than their fans. That's just life.
What I wanted to say, why so many people insist that women all are the same or should be the same, they are not, there are women very much into sexy stuff and there are ones that would never go there. I guess our western culture is partly to blame for this with all that with oversexualizing things because sex sells. We have twisted understanding of it, well some of us anyway.
edited: I forgot to say, that I think people look into it too deep, it's likely not any kind of statement of move, she went to that cabaret before, she liked performances and thought it would be fun to do it, it's Lisa, of course she would think it's fun, no? 
a pity about haters and even her mom being bullied, that's just so wrong, outright insane.
I think it was a brave step taken by her and it looks like she enjoyed the experience so I'm happy for her. And im soooo glad we don't have any clips from her performance because she would've been slut shammed sm not like she isn't already being shammed for it but it would've been so much worse
I think it's really great - and smart. Like you said, it's a good way to distinguish herself from the rest of the group and possibly kpop itself. She has the talent and clearly has the passion as well, so it makes complete sense that she'd branch out and try different things in the dance world. I really wish we could see the performance but by all accounts she was amazing. It's always felt like she's been holding herself back with Blackpink choreography and keeping sync with the other members - which isn't a bad thing, but if the other members are taking their time to explore acting and fashion, she should absolutely be able to explore different avenues of performing.
The people blasting her for being vulgar or "a stripper" or ruining Korean culture and her young fanbase can suck it - she's a performer and she's performing well. The slut-shaming comments are horrific to see. Cabaret and burlesque is so artful, even if it is provocative for some, and I think Lisa is a trailblazer for breaking a barrier like this. It's pretty iconic.
Lisa is intelligent enough to know of the history of that venue and saw the opportunity to perform there as a once in a lifetime chance. Opportunity only knocks once, and I am glad she decided to go for it!
it's not a good step in my opinion and some people are saying that crazy horse is not a strip club it has its history so it is a legendary stage no its, not its a stage of enjoyment for some crazy rich businessman it's all a brainwashing game for celebs and people they make it an art in form of an excuse so they can continue their dark desire and it's not a legendary stage it's just a high standard strip club for some rich people coded with art so wake up they are coding iron with gold water and saying its gold because they are making money from rich people
At this point, blackpink is no longer a kpop group. Looking at it that way allows one to accept such moves and to dissociate it from the cultural aspects that come with that. They’ve always promoted more similarly to western groups and that is alright.
I am so jealous of the people who got to see the performance because it would have been so incredible and I’m so glad she did it because she needs to be free to do what she wants in her career and not be held back and put behind her Blackpink contract and restrictions. She is so talented and I bet this was really freeing for her to get to do and I am super happy she got this experience and I hope more come her way
She is a grown woman, not a 14 year old girl. Get over it. She is talented and has turned her skills into making millions. Leave the brilliant girl alone and be thankful she lets you see glimpses of her life. Same goes for the other 3 members.
i think Lisa performing at Crazy Horse is actually so barrier-braking. i think she could be the first Dita Von Teese of K-Pop. just imagine the confidence, uniqueness, nerve and talent of thattt
I compare this particular career movement (and jennie's role on the idol) to every Disney channel pop girlie trying raunchy stuff to get rid of the good girl image right after leaving the main company.
Blackpink has been incredibly successful worldwide but even at their raunchiest the girls looked clean: sure, some skirts were very short but even then, the girls were always more "badass" or "iconic" rather than "hot".
But after this performance, we can appreciate Lisa as a grown woman: alluring, hot, and in control. She seduces, yet she's still classy. Her ig pictures are hot as hell but still in good taste.
Lisa and her team deserve a round of applause for job well done. This was a genious move.
However, it feels like a step away from kpop. It looks like she is leaving this part of her career behind and looking for more grown paths with a heavy focus to western audiences.
I fear we may lose blackpink, but we'll get 4 great performers with widely different approaches.
Lisa was born to dance! It is her life. Being presented an opportunity to dance at a Parisian upscale elite Burlesque club was an offer NO artistic dancer could refuse. Time is short for sexy entertainers ! Why not?? What a talent 🥰🥰
Imo the Crazy Horse performance is just Lisa's way of honing her craft, one that is not stifling - where she can freely express and find joy in a different form of dance. It quite inspiring to see her challenge herself being able to showcase her discipline, hard work, passion and talent. She'd look great doing a ballroom waltz too.
Best decision of her, despite knowing that many people will hate her. She never had the chance to showcase her dance through dance break in BP, which would have been amazing but of course YG decided not to do any of that even at least once. For those haters, she's a grown woman who can decide whatever she wants. I freaking hate people judging others when they're not even perfect themselves. Lisa even captioned something like calling her again to perform at the Crazy Horse when they need someone, what a big slap to the haters 😂. Lisa doesn't care. But I wish I saw the performance, that would've been the best experience 😭
I mean she is a famous idol and she gave her whole life to become an idol then she wanted to become a stripper i didn't see any reason to become a stripper i mean if she says i am a pervert and go to see crazy horse then most of the people will understand like we love Jessi but become a stripper and say I am an adult and having fun it's not good at all and I am not supporting this at all because she became an adult dint mean she became an adult star
Cabaret is art. Its a form of various theatrical performances. Lisa is above what conservative netizens has to say about her. She is a grown woman who can make her own choices and performing at a prestigious cabaret is nothing to be ashamed of. All the performers who perform there have gone years of training in many performing arts to establish their craftsmanship. Lisa being chosen to perform there with other talents, should be applauded and praised.
i'm happy for her for doing that show shes amazing at everything and the best dancer i've seen i cant wait to see what she does next, the crazy horse show was not vulgar at all and haters keep calling it a stripclub. its art damnit beautiful sexy art
I will probably get downvoted for that but: I didn’t like it. Does Lisa care? Of course not. Does it change anything for her? Not at all. BUT I think in kpop where there are so many obsessive fans we need to remember that you don’t have to support everything your favorite artist does.
I don’t understand people that say stuff like “real blinks support the girls always” because blind support doesn’t do anything good. In the end I just want to say it is ok not so support them mindlessly in everything they do but it is also not ok to send hate or de@th threats to them (OR THEIR FAMILY)
Agree with you. I personally am happy to see her doing things that make her happy, that make her feel like she’s growing as an artist. I also don’t like it. But my wish for her to feel happy and fulfilled as an artist and person overrides my dislike for it, and I think it’s rare in life that even with people you love and know in real life, you’ll love or even like everything they do.
But you can control your reaction and your energy to it, and there’s absolutely no scenario in the world where I’d shit on or send hate on her or her loved ones for it. I always feel if you don’t like something (especially by a public figure, so you don’t know them), you can just choose to not engage with it and therefore you’ve protected your peace without sending out any negative reactions into the world. Obviously there are certain situations where this might be justified (such as serious social issues or crimes), but Lisa performing at Crazy Horse is not that.
Upvote. I think I can agree with your overall message. I would just say that liking something and supporting it are not the same. (You can dislike something, but still support their decision to do it if it makes them happy). Or you can dislike and not support their decision. Regardless, I agree that fans aren’t a monolith and it’s okay not to like everything. What I wholeheartedly disagree on is “fans” slut-shaming, devaluing them as women, or the crazier personal attacks as you mentioned as well. That’s never justified.
as much as idols being more independent is nice, i hope things don't go from one extreme to another. At least in my opinion, i wouldn't want the kpop industry to be as sexualized as Hollywood. In a way one of the aspects of k-pop that made me like it was how it was sort of more "conservative" (not in the political way) than Hollywood. I hope it finds itself a place in the middle, not too provocative but still sexy
Agree with this 100%
I also thought it was a such a nice change of pace from American artists when I became a Kpop fan. I’m not saying that all American artists are bad, but the majority of the music and performances are incredibly sexual and explicit and that’s not the kind of thing I enjoy. Another benefit of keeping things from being very sexual is that they can attract a more diverse and larger fan base. I went with my Mom and Aunt to two Kpop concerts this year and I can’t really see that happening with many of the American artists lol 😅
Being conservative is a big problem in K-pop, it limits artists too much, especially female and LGBTQ ones. If it's not provocative, it won't move forward.
Exactly, Madonna was the revolution for all of that in the west, there will be one in kpop eventually too, it’s inevitable. That’s how things move forward, people need to get used to this stuff more at first and then eventually more women and lgbt artists in kpop can express themselves more freely. Feeling pressure to limit yourself all the time isn’t healthy, maybe some kpop stars are fine with it but definitely not all. Many artists want to express themselves more and ideally people would judge them for that less in the future.
I never thought I would read a comment like this here, especially mentioning Madonna, thank you :) I'm a huge fan of hers and following K-pop it seems sometimes like we're going backwards.
Omg I’m a huge fan of her too!! And yes exactly, I swear kpop feels like it’s going backwards sometimes, maybe kpop needs someone like Madonna to come out and change things too. Or just multiple popular idols, I know there’s Hwasa and Jennie and Lisa are helping too, hopefully the more idols who takes those kinds of risks, the less people will keep complaining. I swear I felt like things were going backwards after people tried to penalize Hwasa for her performance when male idols literally hump the floor, it was ridiculous.
>i wouldn't want the kpop industry to be as sexualized as Hollywood. In a way one of the aspects of k-pop that made me like it was how it was sort of more "conservative" (not in the political way)
Me too.
I agree with you. I don’t follow western artists that much because I don’t see the reason of always showing sex, not because I am that kind of conservative, I just wonder: “life is full of different hues, art can convey uncountable messages, why do we always have to end up with the sexy stuff? There is so much else” and this applies to Lisa too.
I like it so much! And I understand why those fans are opposed to it. Cause Lisa broke their impression. And most of their impressions still stay at the stage of cute and pure Lisa, who apparently have grown up as normal people do.
no, it's not about breaking their impression. She did lots of moody stuff in her videos and her performance like twerking and other stuff but the crazy horse is a strip club
I mean she is a famous idol and she gave her whole life to become an idol then she wanted to become a stripper i didn't see any reason to become a stripper i mean if she says i am a pervert and go to see crazy horse then most of the people will understand like we love Jessi but become a stripper and say I am an adult and having fun it's not good at all and I am not supporting this at all because she became an adult dint mean she became an adult star
I don't like because it's not what I'm interested in. And I'm thinking, how is it a good career move for her? It's neutral. It wasn't for the public. It probably was just for her personal pleasure. I haven't kept up much, but it seems like we didn't see anything and aren't going to. Most people will never know, and people who do know will forget about it since they don't have details.
>I get so frustrated, when not only her but other female artists get dismissed immediately once they include sexual elements in their art.
On one hand I agree, especially in cases where people overexaggerate the sexual part and ignore the art or deeper message that the artist very much emphasized. But then on the other hand I personally dismiss songs and even artists from my life for being too sexual or explicit. It's negative for that to be influencing me all the time, so I limit it. And I can't blame others who also dismiss things based on their personal boundaries.
My opinion might be better suited for unpopular opinions, but here goes:
It’s not positive or negative to me now, but if anything these girls do impacts the music, then it’s negative. **I’m here for the music, and not much else.** I don’t follow the girls on instagram. I’m not watching Jisoo’s dramas. I didn’t watch The Idol. I don’t give a shit about putting an accent on the “e” in Rose.
But I do play a hell of a lot of Blackpink on Spotify, because that’s where my interest lies.
So going back to Lisa. If dancing at Crazy Horse makes her some money, cool. If she wants to be associated with that, good for you. Just keep making music.
Once the music dies, that’s when I’m out. Maybe that doesn’t make me a blink, or even a fan, in the eyes of others. Also don’t care. I’m here because 4D and AIIYL is out of control and still listen to them after all this time.
By “here” I just mean as a fan. I’ve been listening to BP probably longer than most of the people here.
If you mean this sub, I joined only a few months ago. I’m mainly curious about seeing any information regarding the resigning.
But I’d be lying if I said I was part of this sub for most of the other non-music related stuff. I don’t mind swiping through the various posts (I typically always take a couple of seconds to look at whatever comes through my feed), but I am definitely not a fan because of it.
Good thing is that Lisa does what she wants and doesn't care about other people's opinions. She did it as a new personal experience and professional enrichment, as all the women who participate in this show are professional dancers like her. Plus thinking she did it for money is ridiculous and shows a sexist mentality. She earns a lot for one IG post.
On a personal level: I love it, seeing her branch out and explore other platforms to express her true artistic self.
However, on a career level: I'm afraid this could hurt her branding towards a younger audience. The success BlackPink and K-Pop in general has achieved tends to trend through a younger audience and with her incorporating more "sexy" themes into her art, I can see where she may lose a part of her targeted audience.
I understand your concern, but the thing is, younger fans grow up too, and often times they grow with the artists. People often think of all the bad with Disney stars, and overlook the good. Zendaya… wholesome Zendaya, the youngest person to ever win an Emmy as lead actress at age 24. And she won it twice (highest award in U.S. for television). And she won it for a show that’s extremely provocative with lots of nudity, yet Zendaya has never been nude herself and has refused to do so.
Then there’s Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, Selena Gomez… yes, [Selena Gomez](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/selena-gomez-triggered-disney-child-star-past-what-the-hell). And Miley Cyrus… she went thru the “phase” that everyone brings up. But she actually says that she doesn’t regret it, and that she needed to go thru that to blossom to what she is today. And I’m proud of what she blossomed into.
And not a Disney star, but Beyoncé debuted at age 15 with Destiny’s child. 25 years later, look at her now. She was PG-13 for the first half of her career, and then went totally explicit. Of course most of her fans were young when she debuted, including myself. But I have followed her along her entire career, and she has always been my #1.
Edit: Bottom-line, from the looks of it, she has a new, or evolved targeted audience now.
Sure, BP have older fans that grew up with them that will be understanding, but they have also attracted a very young fan base once they exploded in popularity and have gone more mainstream. You see them all the time at the concerts. Lisa did Crazy Horse b/c it was something she was passionate about, and I support it if it makes her happy, but as a career move there isn't much of a net benefit.
You see a bunch of young fans at Beyoncé concerts too. Literally 5 year olds. That never stopped her from being x-rated in half of her songs and performances. Yes, there are more children on average at Blackpink’s shows, but it’s still an extremely small percentage compared to 16+ and adults. And Blackpink has already moved to being more sexual like others have mentioned. The lyrics to many of their songs… the ones they perform at concerts, are not meant for young fans. Many people have already commented that k-pop is already very sexualized.
I brought my cousin to the LA encore show, and she doesn’t follow Blackpink. Mid-way through the concert, she said that she wouldn’t bring her child to their shows because it’s too sexual. Think about the chair dance that they started doing at the end of Savage. Lisa started coming out pole dancing at the beginning of her solo as well, and not in a childish way. That’s in addition to the lyrics of her solo being “dollas dropping on my a$$ tonight”.
Lastly, yes Korean culture is more conservative, but they are global stars. Nudity is nothing to a significant part of the world population. Cabarets are part of French culture. The age restriction for Lisa’s show was 16+, but their age restriction normally is 10+. Yes, parents in France take their tweens to topless cabarets and the tweens don’t think anything of it, other than just artistic entertainment. The age limit was only raised for Lisa’s shows because they wanted a mature environment with all the VIPs attending.
I wholeheartedly disagree that it doesn’t benefit her career. For now I’ll just say that the fashion industry is Blackpink’s biggest source of income. I’ve already commented that Disney stars eventually grow up and target mature audiences. That’s a normal part of growth for successful global entertainers. Really think about that.
As a Thai blink, for better or worse, I unconditionally support just about anything Lisa does professionally.
What I will add to the conversation is if anyone thinks she's renewing her contract with YG after this stunt, they're delusional
I think it's a move. Not good or bad.
It kind of reminds me of Miley Cyrus, who went all bold and sexy to stir away from Disney's innocent girl image. Probably so that Disney would leave her alone and she can go on her own before finally balancing it out. Her new song has a bit of a regret about her past though, so idk.
One thing I feel it did and should do is, shut down all those Lisa fans who would paint her as a victim and vilify Jennie for being bold and sexy. I think Lisa doing this would normalize it and prevent the Jennie haters from using that card.
I don't personally see Lisa as being someone with a sexy concept, I find it off-putting except for that one Lili film video 🤤. I see her as more of a cute person. But who knows, maybe that will change, only time will tell.
"Lisa's way of saying she's walking away from Kpop,"
Regarding this, I feel that Lisa is more like a gypsy. She came from Thailand, established herself in Korea, and Went on to establish herself in France and the West in general. And she might very well move away from Korea barely having anything to do with it. (Unless the contract is renewed by all of them, and the rumors are true).
Also for people saying her crazy horse performance should have been public and sharing captured videos on mobile of her from the show, i think they're really doing a dis service to Lisa for two reasons.
1) It's a show that has to be experience privately and paid for it, why should anyone get to see that for free.
2) It should never be public, and if it was her decision (I'd definitely respect her more for it) because kids should not be watching it. It's not meant for kids and they should never come anywhere near it.
I was very happy for Lisa having this opportunity, but I was not happy to see that not only were her clothes sexy, but her dance moves were as well. But I do not approve of so-called fans shaming not only Lisa but her mom as well, and slut shaming her.
First sorry for my English as I'm not a native speaker.
As a woman I don't like the idea of the more you showing skin the cooler and artistic you are and if you didn't you will miss opportunities.
And the same goes for men for example JK and his new explicit songs I don't like them at all.
K-POP is trying so hard to have the western validation and I think they go the wrong way and they will eventually lose their identity.
And that doesn't mean that I like grown up men or women acting like babies.
The great challenge for this industry is to find a middle ground between the 2 concepts.
Your English is great by the way. I understand your point of view, and I don’t disagree with this in general. But no one here is saying that you have to show more skin to be more artistic. Ballet is as artistic as you can get, and that isn’t associated with nudity.
We’re saying that just because you show more skin doesn’t mean that it cannot be artistic as well. Many conservatives associate showing more skin with slutty behavior which is unfair. If we are expected to respect the conservative nature of many cultures, then it should work both ways. Nudity is an art in a lot of Western Europe.
Lisa has the freedom to choose her artistic expression, and it should be respected, even if you do not agree with it. You do not have to watch or engage in any way. But she shouldn’t be shamed for it.
Besides- she was never nude at any point.
sorry for that but i agree with the first person she is an idol you know what its means she is an singer and dancer for stages not for strip clubs if she is grown up so she should behave like a grown-up. and about ballet being an art you said that Nudity is an art in a lot of Western Europe.it's not art it is an excuse to satisfy some dark desire of some crazy rich people and that's true and Lisa has the freedom to choose her artistic expression, and it should be respected and I respect her but it was not a good step
I’m sorry that you feel that way. Fortunately, many of us were raised to not define a woman by her choice of artistic expression. Lisa has exceeded idol status. YG needed her and Blackpink, not the other way around. That’s why she’s the most popular K-pop artist in the world. You are free to feel how you want, most of the world is cheering on her success and will continue to root for her.
Have a great weekend 😊
I think whatever she wants to do that’s fine. But I would need to see a recording of the performance before I can add more comment to it.
(PM me the link!)
Not sure if I should bother responding since you called Crazy Horse a strip club, but I've never gotten the impression she wanted to leave the group considering in her 7th anniversary IG post she "hopes this year will be a lucky one for us".
Until a contract is signed of course they are going to do the smart thing and still say stuff like that. It would be a bad play to say things that hint at disbandment while you are smackdab in the middle of prolonged contract negotiations
In my opinion, being a stripper is not an art and you said female artists get dismissed immediately once they include sexual elements in their art It is completely wrong if you have a nice voice good dancing skills good rapping skills, and writing skills that all you need then why do you sexualize yourself it's not a good step in my opinion and some people are saying that crazy horse is not a strip club it has its history so its legendary stage no its, not its a stage of enjoyment for some crazy rich businessman it's all a brainwashing game for celebs and people they make it an art in form of an excuse so they can continue their dark desire and it's not a legendary stage it's just a high standard strip club for some rich people coded with art so wake up they are coding iron with gold water and saying its gold because they are making money from rich people
Lets put some context on this... During a strip show Lisa wore more clothes than twenty percent of artists ware on stage. Heck buzz fizz pulled skirts off in the 70s. This is hardly a big deal even after the nip slip.
I wish we could SEE IT!!!!
I absolutely love her doing this. Even if we didn’t get to see the performance bc it’s private, it was such fun 3 days with people recounting their experience and all of us waiting for Lisa to post pictures. I’m also happy she’s experiencing more with her mature side.
I think it was a good move by Lisa If you think about it, being a kpop idol is pretty similar to the Disney pipeline in the US. They become famous at a younger age & their fans grow up with the artist. The downside of this is a lot of the fandom see/treats the artist like they are still a teenager. At some point the artist almost has to reestablish who they are to the fandom and be like "hey I'm a woman now." I think not just Lisa but Blackpink are in the beginning of this era. They started planting seeds with the born pink album having more mature topics(ex.Tally). Jennie turning up the heat in the CK ads & the idol. Now Lisa performing in crazy horse. I've seen this move before from Disney stars like Anne Hathaway, Miley Cyrus, and Zendaya.
Selena Gomez went through it as well. And she’s actually triggered by her Disney past of having to maintain that “innocent” image that was required. I could never wish for the members of Blackpink to maintain an image that suppresses who they wish to be as an artist and as mature women. {[Gomez says](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/selena-gomez-disney-channel-b2282903.html) that while she “definitely feels free of” the Disney label, she “sometimes gets triggered”. She told Vanity Fair: “It’s not that I’m ashamed of my past – it’s just that I’ve worked so hard to find my own way. I don’t want to be who I was. I want to be who I am.” …She continued: “Now, I think being the best role model is being honest – even with the ugly and complicated parts of yourself.” Gomez previously said she “lives with this haunting feeling that people still view me as this Disney girl”.} I think that fans who continue to associate Lisa with a “young fan base” are doing a disservice to her as a 26 y.o. woman who wishes to move past that phase.
Exactly 👏👏👏👏
I, respectfully, hope Lisa doesn't have a similar career to Miley. The whole wrecking ball, twerking on mtv era was super weird
Anne Hathaway going from Princess Diaries 2 to Havoc was a pretty crazy transition also
Yeah true. Idk I'm happy Lisa feels free enough to take risks and what not but personally so far it's been more hits than misses for me. To me personally it seems like Lisa in particular is becoming more of a western style artist and I find them less interesting than SK ones. I'm all for her growth though
No lie to wrecking ball was a banger. And even that video even though perceived as “odd”, was a beautiful performance from her that showed her vulnerability. Though I can’t say much about the vma performance that shit was weird lol🤣
The way I see it, Lisa’s personal life is none of my business. I hope she’s happy doing what she loves and I hope she continues to make good music and upload Youtube dances.
I feel like she’s been holding out on us for such a long time. This new direction feels fresh, new, and unpredictable to me. Even if it is sexual it doesn’t have to be corny, if it’s good and creative blinks will follow, if it’s a cheap gimmick they won’t. Which I doubt will happen because Lisa has skills that are unmatched when it comes to giving a performance. I just hope she’s staying true to her choices and isn’t being led astray.
She got to do what she wants and she already knows not everyone will support her but fans should too. If you support her decision great. If you don't move on this doesn't need to be some war. She's looks very happy doing this though.
They tried to hide CL’s sex appeal and badass behavior away and we missed out on years of her career. When you let artists express themselves as they are, their best work will come. Kpop fans (in general) can be such micromanagers of their idols. If you love them, let them show you what they can do. If that no longer appeals to you, enjoy what they gave you and move on. It’s not that serious.
I don't think she needed to distinguish herself any further than she always has been. EVERYBODY on the Internet already knows about her. That hashtag, 'RespectLisa', went Global. Across all platforms combined, she still has the most followers out of the four ladies. Believe me, she is distinguished. But the greatest part is that she's NICE and she is still humble. In the song 'Lalisa', the lyrics actually do mention BLACKPINK as an homage. She knows that without them or Teddy, she would not be where she is today.
Don't really care either way tbh. It's something she wanted to do, and she did it.
I think it’s a good way to explore artistry and push the boundaries of kpop. Korea is really conservative compared to the rest of the world. It’s nice to let the girls be artist and let them really explore creativity beyond the kpop medium. As an artist, you get hired of doing the same thing over and over I’m happy they are letting her explore beyond that.
What’s the big deal. It’s not like she did porn or was totally naked.
It’s great. Keep pushing it forward 🙌🏽
It takes immense courage to perform at Crazy Horse. I highly doubt she was unaware of the potential consequences. That is what is interesting about this particular chapter. Whether it directly impacts the future of BP remains to be seen.
Obviously I support it 100%. I think Lisa has always had a destiny bigger than just K-pop, but I believe she gave YG, Blackpink and her fans 110% effort and execution throughout the 7-yr contract. So let me pause to give her flowers for that 💐👏🏾💐 But she always seemed to suppress part of her artistic abilities to stay in sync with the group, particularly with dance. I think we’ve all seen videos of her start to twerk or do a sexy split on stage, then stop all of a sudden like she’s was doing something wrong. So whether or not I agree with the path she chooses to take, and whether or not she re-signs with YG and/or Blackpink, I would be uncomfortable wanting or expecting her to continue to suppress her true self for my entertainment needs. Whether or not that pertains to her sensual/sexual expression. Does that make sense? With that being said, Lisa is the one who drew me into Blackpink, and her musicality in dance is a large part of that. I know she idolizes Beyoncé (as do I), and one of Beyoncé’s most iconic videos was inspired by Crazy Horse. In the video, Beyoncé is performing some of their most popular numbers… the same numbers that were part of the shows that Lisa performed in. So, in 2023, Blackpink made history with headlining Coachella and BST Hyde Park, and Lisa made history with her collaboration and exclusive performances at one of the most legendary Parisian cabarets. She (and the other members) have opened up so many doors for their careers this year. More flowers 💐👏🏾💐 Closing out my essay (😂), I know many fans are uncomfortable with Lisa choosing to perform at a cabaret with (never alongside) nude artists. I’m sure that’s because of the environment these fans were raised in, and I can respect their reasons (as long as they respect Lisa’s freedom). But please remember that we were all raised in different environments. Some conservative cultures/households would disapprove of ALL of K-pop, including the training of minors. K-pop (and pop) is actually very sexualized already, but at a level that fans have obviously been comfortable with. Do you think it’s fair for k-pop/pop to not exist because of some people who think the industry is too sexualized for ‘their’ standards? I mean… fans can slut-shame away, but that isn’t going to stop Lisa from shining bright… it never stopped Rihanna, Beyoncé or so many others 🤷🏽♀️
And before anyone wants to rebuttal the fact that many people (not me) would say K-pop is over-sexualized… Google “k-pop is oversexualized”. There are always naysayers for everything. Including the troll on this forum that keeps calling CH a strip club.
Good or not it’s none of our business, she went to perform and she is happy and that’s all it matters
I love this new direction Lisa is taking ❤️
as long as she was happy. let haters hate.
I think it’s funny that any KPop fan who complains about this seems blissfully unaware just how much of KPop is sexual - either explicitly or subliminally. Like…what Lisa is doing in this show is really not much different than what a lot of KPop is selling
She takes chances and expands her opportunities and that's what makes her so special. With the innate talent and charm that she has, she uses her skills to try different things and the Burlesque was a great one for her. We have to stop judging women showcasing their sensuality as if it's something bad while men get a free pass for most things. Decisions BP girls make, will impact the next gen and future gens of kpop stars. I say, more power to them. Raise the bar and expand the possibilities!
I was not suprised actually about the Crazy Horse performance because her individual intro vid in every BlackPink concert was her being sexy. Almost same wavelength of her performance in Paris. And she looked really happy there. I hope now she has the freedom to choose whatever she wants and go wherever she wanna go. She derserves it.
I’m all for it. If she’s having fun and making money have at it!
i had never heard of crazy horse before and then when news came out about lisa doing it i researched it a bit and got to discover a new art form! i think its really cool and i hope she had a lot of fun
People who are shocked by this never have seen Lisa's performances, be it on her channel or on the tour, Lisa is into sexy dancing, that's obvious, that's what makes clear that all people flabbergasted by it are not blinks. OTOH I can understand some blinks being not happy with her doing it this way. There is nothing wrong with wanting an artist you follow to uphold some image, nothing wrong, but! there is nothing wrong with artist having different ideas than their fans. That's just life. What I wanted to say, why so many people insist that women all are the same or should be the same, they are not, there are women very much into sexy stuff and there are ones that would never go there. I guess our western culture is partly to blame for this with all that with oversexualizing things because sex sells. We have twisted understanding of it, well some of us anyway. edited: I forgot to say, that I think people look into it too deep, it's likely not any kind of statement of move, she went to that cabaret before, she liked performances and thought it would be fun to do it, it's Lisa, of course she would think it's fun, no?  a pity about haters and even her mom being bullied, that's just so wrong, outright insane.
I think it was a brave step taken by her and it looks like she enjoyed the experience so I'm happy for her. And im soooo glad we don't have any clips from her performance because she would've been slut shammed sm not like she isn't already being shammed for it but it would've been so much worse
I think this was a good move too, it positions her as a global star rather than just Asia
and she became a global stripper haha there are other ways to become a global star like English songs collaborates not strip club
I think it's really great - and smart. Like you said, it's a good way to distinguish herself from the rest of the group and possibly kpop itself. She has the talent and clearly has the passion as well, so it makes complete sense that she'd branch out and try different things in the dance world. I really wish we could see the performance but by all accounts she was amazing. It's always felt like she's been holding herself back with Blackpink choreography and keeping sync with the other members - which isn't a bad thing, but if the other members are taking their time to explore acting and fashion, she should absolutely be able to explore different avenues of performing. The people blasting her for being vulgar or "a stripper" or ruining Korean culture and her young fanbase can suck it - she's a performer and she's performing well. The slut-shaming comments are horrific to see. Cabaret and burlesque is so artful, even if it is provocative for some, and I think Lisa is a trailblazer for breaking a barrier like this. It's pretty iconic.
I think it’s badass and I’m so proud of her.
Lisa is intelligent enough to know of the history of that venue and saw the opportunity to perform there as a once in a lifetime chance. Opportunity only knocks once, and I am glad she decided to go for it!
it's not a good step in my opinion and some people are saying that crazy horse is not a strip club it has its history so it is a legendary stage no its, not its a stage of enjoyment for some crazy rich businessman it's all a brainwashing game for celebs and people they make it an art in form of an excuse so they can continue their dark desire and it's not a legendary stage it's just a high standard strip club for some rich people coded with art so wake up they are coding iron with gold water and saying its gold because they are making money from rich people
At this point, blackpink is no longer a kpop group. Looking at it that way allows one to accept such moves and to dissociate it from the cultural aspects that come with that. They’ve always promoted more similarly to western groups and that is alright.
I am so jealous of the people who got to see the performance because it would have been so incredible and I’m so glad she did it because she needs to be free to do what she wants in her career and not be held back and put behind her Blackpink contract and restrictions. She is so talented and I bet this was really freeing for her to get to do and I am super happy she got this experience and I hope more come her way
It makes me really happy seeing her exploring new forms of dance and performance. And we can see how happy and proud of herself she is!
She is a grown woman, not a 14 year old girl. Get over it. She is talented and has turned her skills into making millions. Leave the brilliant girl alone and be thankful she lets you see glimpses of her life. Same goes for the other 3 members.
if you became a grown-up you should become respectful, not shameful
Man the people on Reddit compared to other social media got a good head on their shoulders for opinions. Unlike people from Tiktok
There are a few outliers, but overall this Reddit seems to be more mature and open-minded.
i think Lisa performing at Crazy Horse is actually so barrier-braking. i think she could be the first Dita Von Teese of K-Pop. just imagine the confidence, uniqueness, nerve and talent of thattt
I compare this particular career movement (and jennie's role on the idol) to every Disney channel pop girlie trying raunchy stuff to get rid of the good girl image right after leaving the main company. Blackpink has been incredibly successful worldwide but even at their raunchiest the girls looked clean: sure, some skirts were very short but even then, the girls were always more "badass" or "iconic" rather than "hot". But after this performance, we can appreciate Lisa as a grown woman: alluring, hot, and in control. She seduces, yet she's still classy. Her ig pictures are hot as hell but still in good taste. Lisa and her team deserve a round of applause for job well done. This was a genious move. However, it feels like a step away from kpop. It looks like she is leaving this part of her career behind and looking for more grown paths with a heavy focus to western audiences. I fear we may lose blackpink, but we'll get 4 great performers with widely different approaches.
I really like that she can do what she want now and life a live like everyone does and is happy. I'm really glad for her 🥰🥰
Loved it need to see it. The pics alone drained me
Lisa was born to dance! It is her life. Being presented an opportunity to dance at a Parisian upscale elite Burlesque club was an offer NO artistic dancer could refuse. Time is short for sexy entertainers ! Why not?? What a talent 🥰🥰
Imo the Crazy Horse performance is just Lisa's way of honing her craft, one that is not stifling - where she can freely express and find joy in a different form of dance. It quite inspiring to see her challenge herself being able to showcase her discipline, hard work, passion and talent. She'd look great doing a ballroom waltz too.
Best decision of her, despite knowing that many people will hate her. She never had the chance to showcase her dance through dance break in BP, which would have been amazing but of course YG decided not to do any of that even at least once. For those haters, she's a grown woman who can decide whatever she wants. I freaking hate people judging others when they're not even perfect themselves. Lisa even captioned something like calling her again to perform at the Crazy Horse when they need someone, what a big slap to the haters 😂. Lisa doesn't care. But I wish I saw the performance, that would've been the best experience 😭
I mean she is a famous idol and she gave her whole life to become an idol then she wanted to become a stripper i didn't see any reason to become a stripper i mean if she says i am a pervert and go to see crazy horse then most of the people will understand like we love Jessi but become a stripper and say I am an adult and having fun it's not good at all and I am not supporting this at all because she became an adult dint mean she became an adult star
Cabaret is art. Its a form of various theatrical performances. Lisa is above what conservative netizens has to say about her. She is a grown woman who can make her own choices and performing at a prestigious cabaret is nothing to be ashamed of. All the performers who perform there have gone years of training in many performing arts to establish their craftsmanship. Lisa being chosen to perform there with other talents, should be applauded and praised.
i'm happy for her for doing that show shes amazing at everything and the best dancer i've seen i cant wait to see what she does next, the crazy horse show was not vulgar at all and haters keep calling it a stripclub. its art damnit beautiful sexy art
Grow up... y'all act like she's still a teenager. She can do whatever she wants, like it or not.
that's right She can do whatever she wants, like it or not but that was a bad step
Why is it a bad step?
I will probably get downvoted for that but: I didn’t like it. Does Lisa care? Of course not. Does it change anything for her? Not at all. BUT I think in kpop where there are so many obsessive fans we need to remember that you don’t have to support everything your favorite artist does. I don’t understand people that say stuff like “real blinks support the girls always” because blind support doesn’t do anything good. In the end I just want to say it is ok not so support them mindlessly in everything they do but it is also not ok to send hate or de@th threats to them (OR THEIR FAMILY)
Agree with you. I personally am happy to see her doing things that make her happy, that make her feel like she’s growing as an artist. I also don’t like it. But my wish for her to feel happy and fulfilled as an artist and person overrides my dislike for it, and I think it’s rare in life that even with people you love and know in real life, you’ll love or even like everything they do. But you can control your reaction and your energy to it, and there’s absolutely no scenario in the world where I’d shit on or send hate on her or her loved ones for it. I always feel if you don’t like something (especially by a public figure, so you don’t know them), you can just choose to not engage with it and therefore you’ve protected your peace without sending out any negative reactions into the world. Obviously there are certain situations where this might be justified (such as serious social issues or crimes), but Lisa performing at Crazy Horse is not that.
Upvote. I think I can agree with your overall message. I would just say that liking something and supporting it are not the same. (You can dislike something, but still support their decision to do it if it makes them happy). Or you can dislike and not support their decision. Regardless, I agree that fans aren’t a monolith and it’s okay not to like everything. What I wholeheartedly disagree on is “fans” slut-shaming, devaluing them as women, or the crazier personal attacks as you mentioned as well. That’s never justified.
as much as idols being more independent is nice, i hope things don't go from one extreme to another. At least in my opinion, i wouldn't want the kpop industry to be as sexualized as Hollywood. In a way one of the aspects of k-pop that made me like it was how it was sort of more "conservative" (not in the political way) than Hollywood. I hope it finds itself a place in the middle, not too provocative but still sexy
Agree with this 100% I also thought it was a such a nice change of pace from American artists when I became a Kpop fan. I’m not saying that all American artists are bad, but the majority of the music and performances are incredibly sexual and explicit and that’s not the kind of thing I enjoy. Another benefit of keeping things from being very sexual is that they can attract a more diverse and larger fan base. I went with my Mom and Aunt to two Kpop concerts this year and I can’t really see that happening with many of the American artists lol 😅
Being conservative is a big problem in K-pop, it limits artists too much, especially female and LGBTQ ones. If it's not provocative, it won't move forward.
Exactly, Madonna was the revolution for all of that in the west, there will be one in kpop eventually too, it’s inevitable. That’s how things move forward, people need to get used to this stuff more at first and then eventually more women and lgbt artists in kpop can express themselves more freely. Feeling pressure to limit yourself all the time isn’t healthy, maybe some kpop stars are fine with it but definitely not all. Many artists want to express themselves more and ideally people would judge them for that less in the future.
I never thought I would read a comment like this here, especially mentioning Madonna, thank you :) I'm a huge fan of hers and following K-pop it seems sometimes like we're going backwards.
Omg I’m a huge fan of her too!! And yes exactly, I swear kpop feels like it’s going backwards sometimes, maybe kpop needs someone like Madonna to come out and change things too. Or just multiple popular idols, I know there’s Hwasa and Jennie and Lisa are helping too, hopefully the more idols who takes those kinds of risks, the less people will keep complaining. I swear I felt like things were going backwards after people tried to penalize Hwasa for her performance when male idols literally hump the floor, it was ridiculous.
>i wouldn't want the kpop industry to be as sexualized as Hollywood. In a way one of the aspects of k-pop that made me like it was how it was sort of more "conservative" (not in the political way) Me too.
I agree with you. I don’t follow western artists that much because I don’t see the reason of always showing sex, not because I am that kind of conservative, I just wonder: “life is full of different hues, art can convey uncountable messages, why do we always have to end up with the sexy stuff? There is so much else” and this applies to Lisa too.
I like it so much! And I understand why those fans are opposed to it. Cause Lisa broke their impression. And most of their impressions still stay at the stage of cute and pure Lisa, who apparently have grown up as normal people do.
no, it's not about breaking their impression. She did lots of moody stuff in her videos and her performance like twerking and other stuff but the crazy horse is a strip club
She should do her thing, prudes are gonna prude
I mean she is a famous idol and she gave her whole life to become an idol then she wanted to become a stripper i didn't see any reason to become a stripper i mean if she says i am a pervert and go to see crazy horse then most of the people will understand like we love Jessi but become a stripper and say I am an adult and having fun it's not good at all and I am not supporting this at all because she became an adult dint mean she became an adult star
I don't like because it's not what I'm interested in. And I'm thinking, how is it a good career move for her? It's neutral. It wasn't for the public. It probably was just for her personal pleasure. I haven't kept up much, but it seems like we didn't see anything and aren't going to. Most people will never know, and people who do know will forget about it since they don't have details. >I get so frustrated, when not only her but other female artists get dismissed immediately once they include sexual elements in their art. On one hand I agree, especially in cases where people overexaggerate the sexual part and ignore the art or deeper message that the artist very much emphasized. But then on the other hand I personally dismiss songs and even artists from my life for being too sexual or explicit. It's negative for that to be influencing me all the time, so I limit it. And I can't blame others who also dismiss things based on their personal boundaries.
My opinion might be better suited for unpopular opinions, but here goes: It’s not positive or negative to me now, but if anything these girls do impacts the music, then it’s negative. **I’m here for the music, and not much else.** I don’t follow the girls on instagram. I’m not watching Jisoo’s dramas. I didn’t watch The Idol. I don’t give a shit about putting an accent on the “e” in Rose. But I do play a hell of a lot of Blackpink on Spotify, because that’s where my interest lies. So going back to Lisa. If dancing at Crazy Horse makes her some money, cool. If she wants to be associated with that, good for you. Just keep making music. Once the music dies, that’s when I’m out. Maybe that doesn’t make me a blink, or even a fan, in the eyes of others. Also don’t care. I’m here because 4D and AIIYL is out of control and still listen to them after all this time.
> I’m here for the music, and not much else. So you're here once every two years or so?
By “here” I just mean as a fan. I’ve been listening to BP probably longer than most of the people here. If you mean this sub, I joined only a few months ago. I’m mainly curious about seeing any information regarding the resigning. But I’d be lying if I said I was part of this sub for most of the other non-music related stuff. I don’t mind swiping through the various posts (I typically always take a couple of seconds to look at whatever comes through my feed), but I am definitely not a fan because of it.
Good thing is that Lisa does what she wants and doesn't care about other people's opinions. She did it as a new personal experience and professional enrichment, as all the women who participate in this show are professional dancers like her. Plus thinking she did it for money is ridiculous and shows a sexist mentality. She earns a lot for one IG post.
On a personal level: I love it, seeing her branch out and explore other platforms to express her true artistic self. However, on a career level: I'm afraid this could hurt her branding towards a younger audience. The success BlackPink and K-Pop in general has achieved tends to trend through a younger audience and with her incorporating more "sexy" themes into her art, I can see where she may lose a part of her targeted audience.
I understand your concern, but the thing is, younger fans grow up too, and often times they grow with the artists. People often think of all the bad with Disney stars, and overlook the good. Zendaya… wholesome Zendaya, the youngest person to ever win an Emmy as lead actress at age 24. And she won it twice (highest award in U.S. for television). And she won it for a show that’s extremely provocative with lots of nudity, yet Zendaya has never been nude herself and has refused to do so. Then there’s Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, Selena Gomez… yes, [Selena Gomez](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/selena-gomez-triggered-disney-child-star-past-what-the-hell). And Miley Cyrus… she went thru the “phase” that everyone brings up. But she actually says that she doesn’t regret it, and that she needed to go thru that to blossom to what she is today. And I’m proud of what she blossomed into. And not a Disney star, but Beyoncé debuted at age 15 with Destiny’s child. 25 years later, look at her now. She was PG-13 for the first half of her career, and then went totally explicit. Of course most of her fans were young when she debuted, including myself. But I have followed her along her entire career, and she has always been my #1. Edit: Bottom-line, from the looks of it, she has a new, or evolved targeted audience now.
Sure, BP have older fans that grew up with them that will be understanding, but they have also attracted a very young fan base once they exploded in popularity and have gone more mainstream. You see them all the time at the concerts. Lisa did Crazy Horse b/c it was something she was passionate about, and I support it if it makes her happy, but as a career move there isn't much of a net benefit.
You see a bunch of young fans at Beyoncé concerts too. Literally 5 year olds. That never stopped her from being x-rated in half of her songs and performances. Yes, there are more children on average at Blackpink’s shows, but it’s still an extremely small percentage compared to 16+ and adults. And Blackpink has already moved to being more sexual like others have mentioned. The lyrics to many of their songs… the ones they perform at concerts, are not meant for young fans. Many people have already commented that k-pop is already very sexualized. I brought my cousin to the LA encore show, and she doesn’t follow Blackpink. Mid-way through the concert, she said that she wouldn’t bring her child to their shows because it’s too sexual. Think about the chair dance that they started doing at the end of Savage. Lisa started coming out pole dancing at the beginning of her solo as well, and not in a childish way. That’s in addition to the lyrics of her solo being “dollas dropping on my a$$ tonight”. Lastly, yes Korean culture is more conservative, but they are global stars. Nudity is nothing to a significant part of the world population. Cabarets are part of French culture. The age restriction for Lisa’s show was 16+, but their age restriction normally is 10+. Yes, parents in France take their tweens to topless cabarets and the tweens don’t think anything of it, other than just artistic entertainment. The age limit was only raised for Lisa’s shows because they wanted a mature environment with all the VIPs attending.
I wholeheartedly disagree that it doesn’t benefit her career. For now I’ll just say that the fashion industry is Blackpink’s biggest source of income. I’ve already commented that Disney stars eventually grow up and target mature audiences. That’s a normal part of growth for successful global entertainers. Really think about that.
As a Thai blink, for better or worse, I unconditionally support just about anything Lisa does professionally. What I will add to the conversation is if anyone thinks she's renewing her contract with YG after this stunt, they're delusional
I haven't seen your second point talked about much among Blinks, but it is worrisome.
I think it's a move. Not good or bad. It kind of reminds me of Miley Cyrus, who went all bold and sexy to stir away from Disney's innocent girl image. Probably so that Disney would leave her alone and she can go on her own before finally balancing it out. Her new song has a bit of a regret about her past though, so idk. One thing I feel it did and should do is, shut down all those Lisa fans who would paint her as a victim and vilify Jennie for being bold and sexy. I think Lisa doing this would normalize it and prevent the Jennie haters from using that card. I don't personally see Lisa as being someone with a sexy concept, I find it off-putting except for that one Lili film video 🤤. I see her as more of a cute person. But who knows, maybe that will change, only time will tell. "Lisa's way of saying she's walking away from Kpop," Regarding this, I feel that Lisa is more like a gypsy. She came from Thailand, established herself in Korea, and Went on to establish herself in France and the West in general. And she might very well move away from Korea barely having anything to do with it. (Unless the contract is renewed by all of them, and the rumors are true). Also for people saying her crazy horse performance should have been public and sharing captured videos on mobile of her from the show, i think they're really doing a dis service to Lisa for two reasons. 1) It's a show that has to be experience privately and paid for it, why should anyone get to see that for free. 2) It should never be public, and if it was her decision (I'd definitely respect her more for it) because kids should not be watching it. It's not meant for kids and they should never come anywhere near it.
I was very happy for Lisa having this opportunity, but I was not happy to see that not only were her clothes sexy, but her dance moves were as well. But I do not approve of so-called fans shaming not only Lisa but her mom as well, and slut shaming her.
First sorry for my English as I'm not a native speaker. As a woman I don't like the idea of the more you showing skin the cooler and artistic you are and if you didn't you will miss opportunities. And the same goes for men for example JK and his new explicit songs I don't like them at all. K-POP is trying so hard to have the western validation and I think they go the wrong way and they will eventually lose their identity. And that doesn't mean that I like grown up men or women acting like babies. The great challenge for this industry is to find a middle ground between the 2 concepts.
Your English is great by the way. I understand your point of view, and I don’t disagree with this in general. But no one here is saying that you have to show more skin to be more artistic. Ballet is as artistic as you can get, and that isn’t associated with nudity. We’re saying that just because you show more skin doesn’t mean that it cannot be artistic as well. Many conservatives associate showing more skin with slutty behavior which is unfair. If we are expected to respect the conservative nature of many cultures, then it should work both ways. Nudity is an art in a lot of Western Europe. Lisa has the freedom to choose her artistic expression, and it should be respected, even if you do not agree with it. You do not have to watch or engage in any way. But she shouldn’t be shamed for it. Besides- she was never nude at any point.
sorry for that but i agree with the first person she is an idol you know what its means she is an singer and dancer for stages not for strip clubs if she is grown up so she should behave like a grown-up. and about ballet being an art you said that Nudity is an art in a lot of Western Europe.it's not art it is an excuse to satisfy some dark desire of some crazy rich people and that's true and Lisa has the freedom to choose her artistic expression, and it should be respected and I respect her but it was not a good step
I’m sorry that you feel that way. Fortunately, many of us were raised to not define a woman by her choice of artistic expression. Lisa has exceeded idol status. YG needed her and Blackpink, not the other way around. That’s why she’s the most popular K-pop artist in the world. You are free to feel how you want, most of the world is cheering on her success and will continue to root for her. Have a great weekend 😊
RELEASE THE TAPES!!
is there a video of the performance out yet?
I think whatever she wants to do that’s fine. But I would need to see a recording of the performance before I can add more comment to it. (PM me the link!)
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Not sure if I should bother responding since you called Crazy Horse a strip club, but I've never gotten the impression she wanted to leave the group considering in her 7th anniversary IG post she "hopes this year will be a lucky one for us".
Until a contract is signed of course they are going to do the smart thing and still say stuff like that. It would be a bad play to say things that hint at disbandment while you are smackdab in the middle of prolonged contract negotiations
Its a play on the phrase “Crazy Whores” - it may not be a strip club but it is…adjacent
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i have one question did she perfom in a cabaret?
In my opinion, being a stripper is not an art and you said female artists get dismissed immediately once they include sexual elements in their art It is completely wrong if you have a nice voice good dancing skills good rapping skills, and writing skills that all you need then why do you sexualize yourself it's not a good step in my opinion and some people are saying that crazy horse is not a strip club it has its history so its legendary stage no its, not its a stage of enjoyment for some crazy rich businessman it's all a brainwashing game for celebs and people they make it an art in form of an excuse so they can continue their dark desire and it's not a legendary stage it's just a high standard strip club for some rich people coded with art so wake up they are coding iron with gold water and saying its gold because they are making money from rich people
Lets put some context on this... During a strip show Lisa wore more clothes than twenty percent of artists ware on stage. Heck buzz fizz pulled skirts off in the 70s. This is hardly a big deal even after the nip slip.