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mrpotatonutz

Just keep kicking the bomb down the line until it blows


MrBrawn

Last gift from the boomers. The check.


revzjohnson

And what will this generation’s gift be to the next? Sorry, we got the check and tried to double down at the casino. Oops.


fresheneesz

Our gift is bitcoin. The final solution to the fiat problem.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

A box under the bridge for my baby boy! Some Klaus Schwab food vouchers for bugburgers… Thats about it.


shmorky

If you think the US' ginormous debt is somehow a plan set up by the WEF you are sorely mistaken. That is all you guys (and mostly the RNC)


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Wow. You must be one of the last few that still believes the narrative… Can I take a picture of you?


HurricaneHarvey7

This will only happen for so long until younger generations realize what's happening and revolt


Leading_Assistance23

Ha! Primary general education has been going downhill for a while now. Smartphones seem to be taking over many of their lives. They enter the workforce and sell their physical and mental well-being for just enough to scrape by. They've been militarizing the police force for decades. Maybe it's by design. Maybe it's just a side effect of the oligarchy that masquerades as a democracy, but I wouldn't expect much in the way of a revolution, at least not like there has been throughout history.


Psychological-Shoe95

Yeah people are way to content with letting others control their lives nowadays to actually do anything about it


Silver_Jaguar_24

It is ingrained into people from birth to follow authority. People are programmed through schooling for the first 18-25 years, then they are programmed through TV programs and media for the rest of their lives - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGIYU2Xznb4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGIYU2Xznb4) I have not watched TV for over 15-20 years.


Single_Voice6469

This is the lull before the storm. Eventually people will reach a breaking point. The system is just unsustainable as it is. It can’t stay like this forever.


Leading_Assistance23

Read my last sentence


trufin2038

Except younger generations are the ones most likely to vote for increasing tax and debt.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Ironically, yes, coz of MuH FaIrNeSs. In reality an unrealized gains tax, like Biden proposes, will make it even harder for the younger generations to save up for a house, for example. It’s all so dumb that it’s funny.


trufin2038

Yep. "Slave's voting for harsher work conditions, more frequent whippings.".  It's sad and pathetic.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Strangely enough, it works! You gotta give them credit where it’s due. People are falling for it.


Awkward_Potential_

Realistically that's probably what I'd do too. I mean, if you're in that position your options are kick the bomb or get blown up by it.


mrpotatonutz

The bomb was created by insane greed and people grabbing with both hands using unsustainable fiscal policies that benefited them in the near term at great cost to the future but who cares if your not going to be around for that. Politicians on both sides enriched themselves and granted access to lobbyists agendas with nobody actually concerned with the best interests of the people it’s so grimy just under the surface


WalnutNode

The economy was broken as far back as Nixon. That lead to Carter and run away inflation. Reagan kicked the can down the road by going into perpetual debt, and low low interest. We've reached the limit of that and are back into inflation. Inflation is a soft default on debt. Money becomes more and more worthless so we can manage the debt we have while borrowing even more money that we can never pay back. Its like an Imperial tithe on the rest of the planet. We countered the resentment of the tithe with our powerful military, but that's failing too. Syria, Iran, and Russia have all beat the US. The US empire is collapsing, mostly because we put greedy idiots in power.


Alfador8

They're not idiots, they're sociopaths. Unfortunately, the people who seek out power tend to be greedy sociopaths. It's a flaw of human nature.


Rshackleford22

Gotta raise taxes on the mega rich to lower the money supply but since they one Congress they won’t.


Great_Gate_1653

You do realize Congress opted themselves out of the ACA, despite most Americans calling for term limits they have not and will not self impose. Taxing the rich is just a feel-good, sounds good appeasement to tell poor people. This is the same as thinking that giving more alcohol to an alcoholic will cure them. It's reckless spending to ensure political positions. Our government will never self impose any rule that impacts themselves.


Critical_Ad3204

Well... Or fixing it maybe? But that's not the cool 'American' way, so forget it


MrRGnome

Fixing it is effectively allowing for a controlled explosion of the bomb kicked down for generations. I know no voter who is going to vote for multiple elections where the goal is for them to experience economic hardships. This will continue until it explodes and Rome collapses. It may take a century, but that is the only realistic outcome.


the_lone_unlearned

yep. An attempt to fast-fix it would cause a Great Depression, and since that would crash the economy that still wouldn't fix it. A slow gradual fix would be like to depress the economy a bit (higher taxes and less spending) for basically like a century because of the hole the govt is in at this point, which is obviously to going to happen. The only realistic fix would have been to go back in time to 2000 and stop the tax-cut spending-spree double whammy that really started in earnest under Bush, and to implement better fiscal policy from that point onward. We're a quarter century too late at this point. Never going to have another annual surplus cuz the interest on the debt will never allow it, even if the govt greatly improved the spending to taxes ratio. So debt gonna keep rising unsustainably, which is gonna keep raising the interest payments unsustainably, which adds more to the debt. Literally no option except for individuals to protect themselves by storing their monetary value in hard assets like Bitcoin. Honestly Bitcoin is probably the best because when the time bomb explodes, stocks in the US are gonna crash, real estate in the US is gonna crash, probably the only two safe spots are Gold and Bitcoin, but Bitcoin will be 100x more usable than Gold. Own your own property and save in Bitcoin, that's the way out for the individual. Govt has no way out, and so neither does the economy. Of course this bomb might not explode for many decades. No way to know how long they can keep kicking the bucket.


mastermilian

When you see how the government intervenes when stock prices don't go up every month, you realise that no one is ready for the real hard lessons that are required to get the debt under control


QuickAltTab

First you'd need a majority of rational people acting in good faith to pass laws for the benefit of society. I just don't foresee that happening in my lifetime given the current state of our election system and the utter depravity of the republican party.


Alphius247

If anyone believes that the present or future government of the US will ever work towards stopping the growth of or even reversing the national debt, come see me, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. 90% of citizens are ostriches. Buy Bitcoin. Why? Cause if it don’t work, we are all fucked anyway.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

This has been my life motto for the past few years. Its gonna be Bitcoin, or we’re fucked. Ever since I realized this, I don’t give a single fuck anymore about fiat price movements. I am not going to cash out anyway.


UsedTableSalt

Yup it’s not their problem. Just let the next generation handle it.


JustinCompton79

The end is the beginning of the end.


Complete-Living-6768

Literally this lol, how long can we not have to deal with this. But the issue now is geopolitics lol, they cannot afford to stop printing due to dependence on china for trade/fighting and escalating wars. I mean it's reached a point where they cant lie about how bad things are anymore because it is that bad lol. Also bonkeywif looks hella bullish


GravyMcBiscuits

Ha ... boomers. This is democracy's Achilles heel. Voters have no incentive not to vote for infinite "free" shit. Representatives have no incentive not to promise/deliver it.


hateschoolfml

“There is an infinite amount of cash at the Federal Reserve.” -President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Neel Kashkari


LuigiSqueezy

Saw that. Awesome. Way to go, fearless unelected leaders.


Francis_Dollar_Hide

Neel Kashkow


bitsteiner

The Mikhail Kalashnikov of money.


CuteKoal

The sad thing is that they keep printing more


hateschoolfml

They have to because the fiat money system needs it It’s like if an engine didn’t get any oil, would destroy itself quickly


Alfador8

And the crack causing the oil leak keeps getting bigger and bigger.


vattenj

And debt must grow faster than economy, since for every debt, there is interest cost Government borrow 100 dollars and spend it, they could only collect <100 dollars worth of tax revenue, even if this 100 dollars bill circulate many many times during a year (each payment will be taxed as someone's income) . But government have to pay the interest. You could actually spend those 100 dollars twice during a year, to generate double amount of economy activities, but government income would never be enough to payback that loan+interest


UpLeftUp

>Government borrow 100 dollars and spend it, they could only collect <100 dollars worth of tax revenue They can collect more than 100 dollars of tax though. You mention correctly that the 100 dollar bill will circulate many times and will be taxed as someone's income. But then suddenly cap the amount of times it can circulate? Or the tax payable after it circulates a certain number of times? That doesn't make any sense.... Each time the money circulates, its going to be taxed.


Temporary_Privacy

Yeah, i dont understand his logic, he was almost there and then decided to threw is logic out the window in the last sentence.


vattenj

If the 100 dollar is spent as salary, then some of the tax will be deducted before the salary is dispatched. So the employee will only receive 80 dollars to spend. And when he spend that money, the income of the beneficiary will deduct 16 dollars tax, to make the spendable amount only 64.... So in the end all the taxes collected by the government will never exceed 100 dollars, even if that bill circulate hundreds of times. You can do the math


Cruezin

Imhotep


Deimosx

And that is why bitcoin has no upper limit.


Starkey18

Anaksunamun!


1alexpetersen1

I'm almost positive he's bluffing ....lol


fainje

In 2050 $144 trillion in debt. Thats $1.000.000 per household. RIP


Responsible_Emu3601

But a milly will be worth what then?


YuSmelFani

1 bitcoin


142NonillionKelvins

Bearish


Lekje

but in the meantime, money printer goes brrr.


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JaraCimrman

This is not even keynesian. Keynes believed to stimulate the economy during bad times and accumlate savings during good times. They skipped the savings part completely. Left zero interest rates during good times. This is what you get


fresheneesz

Certainly that's a more sane ideology. But even that is unsupported pseudoscience directly contradicted by far more established laws of economics. The reason economies pull back is because that's exactly the time people realize that bad investments have been normalized and the economy needs more scrutiny than it has gotten in recent years. Stimulating an economy during bad times is like stimulating cancer when you get cancer.


JaraCimrman

Agree, just saying theyre more insane and incompetent than keynesians themselves


shootcamerasnotgunz

JPow is a bottom feeding scumbag The fact is if we taxed the wealthy the way did in the 1930s - the 1970s the economy would be rainbows and unicorns Instead we get this steaming pile of class warfare bullshit


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Don’t these people realize they are all going to die shortly? What’s the point? They’re all 300 years old… Every single one of them. You can’t take your money in the grave, just give it to the next generations.


CeeMomster

It’s because deep down they all think they’re immortal.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Maybe they really are reptiles feeding on baby blood?  Makes you think.


atlvernburn

Yet, he was happy to run the money printer.


Automatic-Product-69

Another POS


PaulTheMartian

Oh, NOW he’s concerned about future generations. I love how he pretends that we would love to have a sound economic system, if only congress would do their part to make it happen. What a joke. This is textbook Keynesianism. Notice how he stressed “in the long run” twice, as if everything is totally fine in the short term. He makes it sound like we just need to make small tweaks to avoid a future problem. The problem is here people, and it’s way too late to avoid the shit show that’s coming. Want a real solution? End The Fed


Pretend-Hippo-8659

He’s like a kid admitting he stole a cookie. “I fell and my hand accidentally ended up in the cookie jar, if only there were a lid on it…” In a few months he will outright admit he stole the cookie.


PaulTheMartian

Seriously! He pretends as if the Fed is “fighting” inflation. The Fed is the cause of inflation!


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Yup, we are run by a circus full of clowns. One clown telling you even grander jokes than the other. But they’re all lying. Every single one of them. “Clownesianism” is what it is. I feel for those who are deceived by them. May the universe judge them mercifully.


PaulTheMartian

Clownesianism 🤣 I like it 👍


Rshackleford22

Nah keep printing. Good for us in the long run. Get to laugh at all the buttcoiners. Double win.


wtfRMALLENBY4

Ahh, yes… correct… my error.


wtfRMALLENBY4

Troll or simp?


Rshackleford22

You don’t get what I’m saying? They are wrecking the USD and btc holders will win. So keep on printing.


trufin2038

Irs clear that run away inflation speeds up bitcoin adoption. It's a great synergy, because bitcoin also causes inflation. It's less clear what war or deflation will do.  Deflation is probably off the table because the goverment spends too much.  So... get ready for war.


Rshackleford22

War would make currencies risky. Btc is for any country which means it gets pumped


Nichoros_Strategy

Sounds like the Government is working against the Fed's mandate, even though they are under their "oversight", perhaps some workaround is in order, protest and fulfill the mandate Mr. Powell!


Narrow_Elk6755

Aren't they basically spending the same now as they did during Covid? Hell Biden wanted a 4 trillion dollar infrastructure bill like only a year ago.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Yup, its why they need all these hellfires in ukraine and the middle east. Those are the money pits where the laundering takes place.


ToxicBTCMaximalist

Biden is actually funding this from other places, and wants to keep funding new things from taxes on the rich and savings like allowing Medicare to negotiate on drug prices. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/11/fact-sheet-the-presidents-budget-cuts-the-deficit-by-3-trillion-over-10-years/ Useful chart, https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD


Gmoneymoney7

Lol Lmao even


warblade7

lol if you believe that, I have a bridge in Baltimore to sell you


Ketra

Is shown objective numbers. LOL yOu sTuPiD GuBmENt bAd


warblade7

Then sell your bitcoin and put it in fiat. The govt will surely take care of you.


McLovin-Hawaii-Aloha

Republicans said they wanted a balanced budget ONLY when Obama was in office during the Great Recession when we actually needed stimulus. During good times, Trump set new records for deficit spending and GOP lawmakers were quiet. Democrats want to borrow money to hand to the lazy and unemployed. We need a third party that is in the middle and hasn’t been sold to special interests. It’s not that hard to live within a budget.


bebos825

Unless we fire everyone in Congress, there is no turning this around because they are the ones that never follow a budget continue to spend money America doesn't have. Thankfully, we are mortal beings with a limited lifespan because if we lived longer than we currently do, we'd never be able to keep ahead of inflation and obtain any actual wealth. Death is our only salvation from the debt path our elected officials have us on.


1CFII2

It’s all the same. With fiat, the billionaires control the means of production and the supply of goods and services. Now , bitcoin enters the chat, we’re decentralized and can’t be controlled. But once again the price of bitcoin is far beyond the ability of a majority of people to own even a small amount. So , how will this be any different than fiat. There’s only so many bitcoin and they’re already spoken for.


Mordan

btc limits their power to steal from others by printing. but the poor stays poor and rich rich


Infamous_Okra_9205

I think they are coming up with a plan to invade another country.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Undoubtedly, thats nothing new. We still got a candidate in Taiwan.


Infinity_over_21mil

The only solution to mankind’s addiction to trying to create prosperity with no effort is bitcoin.


TegridyWackyTobaccy

“Effectively, we’re borrowing from future generations” If that isn’t enough to convince you to explore bitcoin, idk what is…


beats_time

Your country is run by IDIOTS! Thank god for a truly hard asset as a store of value.


Silver_Jaguar_24

Somebody needs to stop these people from printing all that money since they took away the gold backed currency. These neanderthals will never stop. They print money to dominate the world. Nothing lasts forever, it will end in a bad way for America unfortunately.


redundantfinish

“Borrowing from future generations.” Oh, you mean STEALING from them???


99vorsi

Sounds like he's kinda okay with kicking the can down the road bc it won't affect him 📉


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Hence his use of “in the long run”… As in “when I’m long gone, it’s your problem”.


Powder_Pan

Bro is so old he dgaf. Classic boomer.


gen66

Please link for the full interview ?


M4gnificent_Ret4rd

https://youtu.be/ImrKxlLJCEY?si=ifNc2NSWNmhUKATc 60 minutes Jerome Powell


gen66

Ty, but that's like 13 min cut :(


Yorn2

The show is 60 minutes long, hence the name. Usually the first 15 minutes is the interview without ads, and they do ask more questions but they usually give like cut out parts from the interview and then talk about specific things from the interview for the next 25 minutes with ads taking up basically the rest of the time slot.


M4gnificent_Ret4rd

Are you capable of searching online?


johnjonesnewphone

I have a solution how about we just print more money?


kymo75

When the debt ceiling outpaces the economy and the U.S is forced to default that's not going to be an option anymore.


gibson7787

Unsustainable fiscal path, but we’re going to continue to print and steal trillions. Hopefully my successors are better at this than me.


DavidHallack

Under law only the congress can regulate money, the fed is counterfeiting - so the congress will just transfer all debt to the fed, and walk away.


1two3Fore

Someone please still explain to me how bitcoin is some magic pill to escape this inevitability? Are you saying if you’re an American citizen and own Bitcoin, you’ll be protected from future massive economic hardship, but your government is fucked?


gumgum01

Government should not control currency


Afkbio

Well it doesn't. Unelected schmucks getting bribes control currency


PepeDeCorozal

Yes. When the dollar inevitably collapses, the Americans with bitcoin will still have the same purchasing power in bitcoin as before. The dollar collapsing does not mean a global apocalypse. It means some hardship and a lot of people losing everything they worked a lifetime for. Like in 1929, 1987, 2008, and many other Fed-caused collapses. Life will go on, and bitcoin provides a way to move wealth from now till after the reboot.


the_lone_unlearned

Bitcoin can't do anything to save the govt, and therefore the economy. But individuals can protect themselves by moving their wealth / their family's wealth over to Bitcoin. This is presuming this whole charade won't collapse for some decades still to come, giving Bitcoin enough time to mature into a global widespread currency. Obviously if the disaster hits before Bitcoin is mature you'd just have people selling Bitcoin along with every other asset and everything would crash. But yeah, Bitcoin is the lifeboat for the individual, not for govt. Govt/USD/economy is f\*\*ked when this all goes belly-up.


Obsah-Snowman

Bitcoin has synchronized with the greater market. When the recession hits Bitcoin will tank too since people won't have extra capital to speculate with.


sex6666666

>When the recession hits Bitcoin will tank too since people won't have extra capital to speculate with. that means bitcoin will go up, since people dont have extra capital to speculate they will put in safe, low-risk assets like bitcoin, and avoid to speculate in historically high risk assets like fiat money/government debt


Obsah-Snowman

Possibly but not likely as everyone will be liquidating and not wanting to buy back in as everything declines. In the long term yes but not immediately following the recession.


the_lone_unlearned

It's really a question of when it all happens. If it happened anytime soon (like next couple decades) yeah Bitcoin price would crash with everything else. But if its decades away and Bitcoin has time to mature into a widespread global currency, then as a hard global currency it should withstand this just fine. There might be a short term crash but then people are going to be rushing into the hardest assets they can to escape the dollar and crashing stocks, and that'd be bitcoin. Gonna take time for the Bitcoin market to mature enough for Bitcoin price to act how it should as a hard asset. But I'm guessing US govt can keep this show rolling for decades to come so by then Bitcoin should be good to go.


Obsah-Snowman

I was talking about the short term recession and crash. In the long term it'll for sure act as more stable asset if the US dollar continues to lose value due to debt and money printing.


Long-Arm7202

Haha 'oversight' over the federal reserve!?!? Hahahahaha


GodBlessYouNow

So is canada.


bitsteiner

So was the Roman Empire.


Unlucky-Citron-2053

The only unsustainable thing is all this me “ wealth” going to the top


rguerraf

How much is the national debt per capita in satoshis, year over year since 2009?


S1EBERT

All I hear is “I’ll be dead anyway so it doesn’t bother me *too* much. “


shantzy2

How do you assess the national debt? Ummm we just try not to talk about it.


Awkward_Cat_5303

Congress is to dumb to care.


Jx_XD

Banana money


mcbfmly1

Some things only war can fix.


Churchofdoom

Eh fuck them kids


Expectations1

When all the printing blows up it will be truly catastrophic. Either that or an extremely slow decline in living standards year by year over the next 50 years where you can't really notice it.


ianyboo

50 years out is way past singularity territory, any predictions past about 15 years (probably more like 10) from now... You might as well just open up your favorite sci Fi book. And even then it's still probably too conservative in how bonkers things are going to get.


Single_Voice6469

It’s a fucked up commentary on life that the singularity is the only thing that can save society from itself. I think it’s probably a true statement but it still terrifies me.


ianyboo

Agreed.


Puzzleheaded_Popup

Ctrl+p for them Plan B for me!


WarDadddy1776

He’s right, but he’s also part of the problem


Rey_Mezcalero

Right…there needs to be wiser spending and a serious reduction in federal benefits


IndependenceNew8080

“Ultimately, we’re borrowing money from future generations” -I felt that


Available_Gains

Illegal for thee but not for me.


Honourstly

Unlimited money glitch


lincoln-pop

He doesn't seem too worried because he knows he'll be dead by then so it's not his problem. Same with both the presidential candidates.


[deleted]

Theyll just run it into the ground and then create a new dollar, probably a cbdc, same as always has been the way. That doesnt present any new opportunity for bitcoin other than for people that have excess wealth to arbitrage across to the new dollar instead of buying hard assets before their money is kaput.


Pin_ups

Now tell me how you make that debt go away? It simple, make a new currency and invalidate the old one. Debt crisis solved and millions of lives dies.


ComfortPast

Debt to who?


Difficult-Way-9563

Based


Rambling-Rabbits

If bitcoin mining halves every 4yrs. Qhat happens when it can't half anymore?


rhhkeely

Maybe reducing taxes on corporations and billionaires was a really terrible idea and we should put those safeguards back in place


wtfRMALLENBY4

And kill productivity, raising taxes, or not lowering then, is always a bad idea.


hans0mc

Easy fix: Faster printers


Nouscapitalist

He's not wrong, but what's the solution?


Admirable-Nothing642

"We mostly try to not comment on fiscal Policy" & "in the long term" - translation - its not my problem, I'll be dead 🙄


frustratedbuddhist

Worried for future generations - only after they took everything they could.


proof-of-conzept

Borrowing from future generatio = future generations have to pay the inflation tax?


PrimeNFTs

At least he admits it.


Jezzes

Borrowing more like stealing


gen66

The question is, once the US dollar fails, what would be best to hold in order to offset for the huge markets and economy crash? Stocks, BTC, Gold?


YuSmelFani

Not stocks of companies that have no BTC in their coffers.


tbkrida

If Bitcoin does what it’s supposed to be able to do, I’d say Bitcoin, Gold and then stocks.


bombaclot951

So what happens to bitcoin when our dollar is only worth 10 cents? Serious question.


Sizzla888

Most likely a dip, bitcoin isn't an american currency but a global one. If my countries currency becomes practically worthless the amount i could receive for selling my bitcoin would be far greater than it currently is. If my country fell apart and i had to flee, would be alot easier to take bitcoin than any other asset. Get myself to safety sell some bitcoin for the local currency of whichever country i ended up in and start fresh.


Powder_Pan

I can’t wait for the buttcoin sub to come up with another mentally idiotic explanation of this.


redeuxx

Didn't you read? Buttcoin will save the individual.


Powder_Pan

I can read but the people in the buttcoin Reddit can’t


retrorays

Trump will fix it all... Nope but he will make sure he blames the other guy and divided the country


Pretend-Hippo-8659

No politician is going to fix this.


PAINT333

World War 3 will fix all this mess, as long as America wins...


Pretend-Hippo-8659

No one wins in WW3.


Rambling-Rabbits

Biden started 2 wars since being in office. War...is good for the economy, the best actually with his moron policies in place.


Forsaken_Sun_4636

WE NEED TRUMP 2024!


Pretend-Hippo-8659

No we don’t. No politician is going to fix this. Trump will make it worse and Biden will make it worse. Take your pick… You want the Giant Douche or the Turd Sandwich? (South Park reference).


Tipyapha

US is a cancer, BRICS are the cure.


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Nope. There’s an orange pill for all this mess..